1 2011-03-22T00:31:04 *** Dae-ekleN
2 2011-03-22T00:45:50 *** m4k3r
3 2011-03-22T00:47:12 *** m4k3r
4 2011-03-22T01:04:21 *** cdom
5 2011-03-22T01:21:16 *** m4k3r
6 2011-03-22T01:46:50 *** aa_
7 2011-03-22T01:48:08 *** aa_
8 2011-03-22T02:46:29 *** sl33k_
9 2011-03-22T03:54:52 *** Marchael
10 2011-03-22T03:57:08 *** grzywacz
11 2011-03-22T04:06:18 *** Marchael
12 2011-03-22T05:02:13 *** cdom
13 2011-03-22T05:06:14 *** Marchael
14 2011-03-22T05:09:33 <Marchael> moin
15 2011-03-22T05:51:22 *** andialbrecht_
16 2011-03-22T06:08:13 *** andialbrecht
17 2011-03-22T06:31:22 *** cdom
18 2011-03-22T07:33:29 *** andialbrecht_
19 2011-03-22T07:33:49 *** andialbrecht
20 2011-03-22T08:03:43 *** cdom
21 2011-03-22T08:24:50 *** cdom
22 2011-03-22T08:45:19 *** sl33k_
23 2011-03-22T08:46:30 <sl33k_> quickinstall not executing smoothly, what do i do?
24 2011-03-22T08:51:11 *** gwork
25 2011-03-22T08:58:36 *** cdom
26 2011-03-22T09:08:03 <dreimark> moin
27 2011-03-22T09:08:24 <dreimark> sl33k_: can you try to manually install argparser?
28 2011-03-22T09:09:36 <dreimark> download the package and install it then
29 2011-03-22T09:09:56 <dreimark> and please tell me what OS you use
30 2011-03-22T09:10:15 <sl33k_> ubuntu 10.04
31 2011-03-22T09:11:09 <dreimark> I have a box with that too
32 2011-03-22T09:11:18 <sl33k_> it says downloading from flask script, i downloaded the tar
33 2011-03-22T09:11:20 <dreimark> sl33k_: 64 bit ?
34 2011-03-22T09:15:35 <sl33k_> dreimark: 32
35 2011-03-22T09:20:49 <sl33k_> dreimark: i cant find argparse on pypi, do i download flask script 0.3
36 2011-03-22T09:24:00 <sl33k_> Downloading/unpacking argparse (from Flask-Script>=0.3->moin==2.0.0a0)
37 2011-03-22T09:24:00 <sl33k_> Downloading argparse-1.1.zip (151Kb): 151Kb downloaded
38 2011-03-22T09:24:00 <sl33k_> | I dont get why this says from flask script?
39 2011-03-22T09:32:42 <ThomasWaldmann> moin
40 2011-03-22T09:33:01 <ThomasWaldmann> it is because flask-script depends on argparse and triggered its installation
41 2011-03-22T09:34:54 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, the docs have a troubleshooting section that tells what to do when quickinstall fails, so...
42 2011-03-22T09:37:16 <dreimark> http://static.moinmo.in/m2/html/admin/install.html?highlight=troubleshooting
43 2011-03-22T09:37:19 <dreimark> sl33k_: ^
44 2011-03-22T09:37:59 <dreimark> sl33k_: and if you can install argparse manually then Flask-Script won't try it again because it is then already in the env
45 2011-03-22T09:39:33 <ThomasWaldmann> http://pypi.python.org/pypi/argparse/1.1
46 2011-03-22T09:39:46 <ThomasWaldmann> and why can't you find argparse on pypi?
47 2011-03-22T09:42:27 <sl33k_> i think i searched for argpaser on pypi, anyway i downloaded it from google code. my bad
48 2011-03-22T10:01:23 <sl33k_> what am i doing wrong here http://paste.pocoo.org/show/357614/
49 2011-03-22T10:04:23 <dreimark> md5sum argparse-1.1.zip checked?
50 2011-03-22T10:08:19 <sl33k_> dreimark: dont know how to check
51 2011-03-22T10:08:51 <dreimark> type md5sum argparse-1.1.zip
52 2011-03-22T10:09:09 <dreimark> and compare it with the right part after the hash of the download url
53 2011-03-22T10:09:18 <dreimark> #md5=087399b73047fa5a6482037411ddc968
54 2011-03-22T10:09:55 <dreimark> i did that on my ubuntu 10.04 http://paste.pocoo.org/show/357615/ and it works
55 2011-03-22T10:10:34 <ThomasWaldmann> sl33k_: your python version?
56 2011-03-22T10:11:59 <sl33k_> 2.6.1
57 2011-03-22T10:12:21 <dreimark> sl33k_: I have 2.6.5
58 2011-03-22T10:12:40 <sl33k_> sorry, mine also 2.6.5
59 2011-03-22T10:12:41 <dreimark> do you have all updates on that 10.04 LTS ?
60 2011-03-22T10:12:54 <dreimark> ok
61 2011-03-22T10:13:03 <ThomasWaldmann> sl33k_: enter your virtual env, then type "python<enter>"
62 2011-03-22T10:13:39 <ThomasWaldmann> source env/bin/activate
63 2011-03-22T10:13:41 <ThomasWaldmann> python
64 2011-03-22T10:16:11 <sl33k_> ThomasWaldmann: command not found
65 2011-03-22T10:17:11 <ThomasWaldmann> which command?
66 2011-03-22T10:17:33 <sl33k_> python<enter>
67 2011-03-22T10:17:51 <ThomasWaldmann> but the first one worked?
68 2011-03-22T10:18:18 <ThomasWaldmann> <enter> means to hit the enter key, btw
69 2011-03-22T10:19:17 <sl33k_> python interpreter? its starting
70 2011-03-22T10:19:30 <ThomasWaldmann> (10:13) < ThomasWal> source env/bin/activate
71 2011-03-22T10:19:30 <ThomasWaldmann> (10:13) < ThomasWal> python
72 2011-03-22T10:19:50 <ThomasWaldmann> do both these commands and then tell what python version it shows
73 2011-03-22T10:24:45 <dreimark> sl33k_: and what version starts?
74 2011-03-22T10:25:16 <Marchael> ThomasWaldmann: what do you think about if sqla and whoosh will working apart? I mean whoosh use own index files and sqlalchemy using own backend.
75 2011-03-22T10:27:04 <ThomasWaldmann> Marchael: i am not sure if i understand your question. of course if we use them both they will work individually and separate from each other.
76 2011-03-22T10:29:28 <ThomasWaldmann> so the question is rather: do we want both and if yes, where's the border?
77 2011-03-22T10:33:10 <Marchael> what primary reason for using sqla? Store config, page contet, etc. in database?
78 2011-03-22T10:33:48 <Marchael> if yes, so why we can index document before add it to db?
79 2011-03-22T10:34:03 <Marchael> s/can/can not/
80 2011-03-22T10:35:00 <sl33k_> dreimark, ThomasWaldmann: Python 2.6.5 r265:79063
81 2011-03-22T10:37:14 <ThomasWaldmann> sl33k_: ok, that should work
82 2011-03-22T10:37:31 <ThomasWaldmann> which python
83 2011-03-22T10:37:42 <ThomasWaldmann> what does that command tell^ ?
84 2011-03-22T10:38:11 <sl33k_> 2.6.5
85 2011-03-22T10:38:17 <ThomasWaldmann> nope
86 2011-03-22T10:38:34 <ThomasWaldmann> type: which python<enter>
87 2011-03-22T10:39:33 <sl33k_> Oops. /media/8400975A00975252/moin-2.0/env/bin/python
88 2011-03-22T10:39:44 <ThomasWaldmann> ok
89 2011-03-22T10:40:16 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, so did you verify the md5sum?
90 2011-03-22T10:41:08 <ThomasWaldmann> Marchael: see MoinMoin/storage/backends/indexing.py
91 2011-03-22T10:41:20 <Marchael> ok
92 2011-03-22T10:42:02 <ThomasWaldmann> it is also used for (uu)id <-> name mapping in fs2 backend
93 2011-03-22T10:43:08 <sl33k_> ThomasWaldmann: i got this after entering command e62565cde81a8deb61f90dcb5e8861a4 argparse-1.1.zip
94 2011-03-22T10:45:23 <ThomasWaldmann> that's wrong
95 2011-03-22T10:45:40 <ThomasWaldmann> so, how did you get that file exactly?
96 2011-03-22T10:46:18 <sl33k_> downloaded the zip from google code
97 2011-03-22T10:47:59 <ThomasWaldmann> interesting, that md5sum is different than the one from pypi
98 2011-03-22T10:49:51 <sl33k_> i downloaded the zip from pypi now. Is it required to be installed from the env/.. and using pip? or can i install using setup.py install also from outside the env?
99 2011-03-22T10:50:21 <ThomasWaldmann> yes, you need to install after activating the env
100 2011-03-22T10:50:52 <ThomasWaldmann> pip install argparse.zip # didn't try it, but maybe could work
101 2011-03-22T10:53:03 <sl33k_> does that mean i have to install it after every quickinstall?
102 2011-03-22T10:58:17 <ThomasWaldmann> you don't do that quickinstall that often
103 2011-03-22T10:58:38 <ThomasWaldmann> and usually quickinstall works, we still do not know why it does not work for you
104 2011-03-22T11:03:09 <ThomasWaldmann> sl33k_: http://code.google.com/p/argparse/issues/detail?id=80
105 2011-03-22T11:05:27 <ThomasWaldmann> sl33k_: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/357632/
106 2011-03-22T11:16:37 *** andialbrecht_
107 2011-03-22T11:18:24 *** greg_f
108 2011-03-22T11:24:05 <sl33k_> same problem if i download it from pypi
109 2011-03-22T11:38:30 *** gwork
110 2011-03-22T11:44:30 <ThomasWaldmann> sl33k_: you mean the SyntaxError?
111 2011-03-22T11:45:19 <sl33k_> ThomasWaldmann: yea
112 2011-03-22T11:46:15 <ThomasWaldmann> can you look into that setup.py file somehow it complains about?
113 2011-03-22T11:47:01 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, your pip version is ...?
114 2011-03-22T11:48:56 <sl33k_> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/357644/
115 2011-03-22T11:50:49 <ThomasWaldmann> looks ok
116 2011-03-22T11:51:11 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, your pip version is ...?
117 2011-03-22T11:54:10 *** grad
118 2011-03-22T11:58:30 <ThomasWaldmann> sl33k_: pip --version
119 2011-03-22T11:58:58 <ThomasWaldmann> (while your env is active)
120 2011-03-22T11:59:28 <sl33k_> 0.9.0
121 2011-03-22T12:00:52 <ThomasWaldmann> strange, i have 0.8.1
122 2011-03-22T12:01:11 <ThomasWaldmann> which pip
123 2011-03-22T12:02:21 <ThomasWaldmann> virtualenv --version
124 2011-03-22T12:04:34 <ThomasWaldmann> the latest virtualenv release (1.5.2) has pip 0.8.2
125 2011-03-22T12:04:49 <ThomasWaldmann> my virtualenv (1.5.1) has pip 0.8.1
126 2011-03-22T12:06:42 <sl33k_> virtualenv is 1.5.2.post1
127 2011-03-22T12:06:42 <ThomasWaldmann> i strongly suggest you don't use any prerelease or development versions of pip or virtualenv
128 2011-03-22T12:08:24 <ThomasWaldmann> use 1.5.1 or 1.5.2
129 2011-03-22T12:08:54 <ThomasWaldmann> http://www.virtualenv.org/en/latest/news.html there it looks like you are using something unreleased
130 2011-03-22T12:11:28 <ThomasWaldmann> you'll have enough fun with moin2, you don't need to test virtualenv/pip alphas
131 2011-03-22T12:13:32 <sl33k_> :D
132 2011-03-22T12:19:09 <ThomasWaldmann> sl33k_: https://github.com/pypa/virtualenv/issues/102
133 2011-03-22T12:19:28 <ThomasWaldmann> if you have anything more, add it there
134 2011-03-22T12:23:55 *** sinha_
135 2011-03-22T13:18:22 *** greg_f
136 2011-03-22T13:19:36 *** greg_f
137 2011-03-22T13:23:42 <grad> oh my god, 160 changesets, 10 seconds to clone... /me sooooo happy!
138 2011-03-22T13:23:45 <grad> moin
139 2011-03-22T13:38:56 *** gwork
140 2011-03-22T13:42:15 <ThomasWaldmann> hehe. hi grad :)
141 2011-03-22T13:42:39 <grad> hi :-)
142 2011-03-22T13:56:06 *** gwork
143 2011-03-22T13:57:46 <dreimark> moin grad
144 2011-03-22T14:29:27 *** m4k3r
145 2011-03-22T14:30:29 *** kasun
146 2011-03-22T14:46:25 *** andialbrecht
147 2011-03-22T14:53:50 *** Marchael
148 2011-03-22T14:58:45 *** sinha_
149 2011-03-22T15:10:49 *** sha26
150 2011-03-22T15:55:59 *** Marchael
151 2011-03-22T16:28:50 *** kasun
152 2011-03-22T16:33:48 *** gwork
153 2011-03-22T16:45:35 *** sinha_
154 2011-03-22T16:45:59 *** sinha_
155 2011-03-22T16:49:45 *** kasun
156 2011-03-22T17:04:43 *** dariusH
157 2011-03-22T17:19:48 *** gwork
158 2011-03-22T17:20:00 *** Marchael
159 2011-03-22T17:53:04 <MattMaker> an update on the pip situation(s): https://github.com/pypa/pip/pull/238
160 2011-03-22T17:53:31 <MattMaker> looks like they are about to do a release for py3k compatibility
161 2011-03-22T18:02:31 *** cdom
162 2011-03-22T18:41:52 *** cdom
163 2011-03-22T18:48:34 *** cdom
164 2011-03-22T18:52:35 <ThomasWaldmann> MattMaker: see sl33k_'s troubles, that was likely virtualenv and/or pip current :P
165 2011-03-22T19:15:31 <MattMaker> ThomasWaldmann, https://github.com/pypa/pip/issues/237
166 2011-03-22T19:15:31 <MattMaker> looks like they fixed just now
167 2011-03-22T19:17:27 <MattMaker> regarding sqla, I have a vague worry that it somehow be prone to slowing everything down by an explosion of tiny redundant database requests, and also makes the use of the python objects more fragile because of side-effects
168 2011-03-22T19:42:19 *** greg_f
169 2011-03-22T20:01:35 <ThomasWaldmann> sl33k_: https://github.com/pypa/virtualenv/issues/102#comment_904168
170 2011-03-22T20:02:56 <ThomasWaldmann> MattMaker: ah, same thing :)
171 2011-03-22T20:03:35 <ThomasWaldmann> MattMaker: sqla indexing is rather meant to speedup
172 2011-03-22T20:03:52 <MattMaker> I know, which makes the worry so much the worse
173 2011-03-22T20:04:09 <ThomasWaldmann> e.g. pull a list of all item names from the index, not from the backend storage
174 2011-03-22T20:04:25 <MattMaker> it's acting as kind of an ORM layer, and all kinds of things can go wrong with that concept
175 2011-03-22T20:04:40 <ThomasWaldmann> or pull a list of all images, all wiki pages, recent changes ...
176 2011-03-22T20:04:48 <ThomasWaldmann> i don't use the orm
177 2011-03-22T20:04:58 <ThomasWaldmann> too much magic for my taste
178 2011-03-22T20:05:41 <ThomasWaldmann> the sqla storage backend (see backends/sqla*) does, though, but not backends/indexing.py
179 2011-03-22T20:06:02 *** cdom
180 2011-03-22T20:06:08 <ThomasWaldmann> and that one has performance and other issues when dealing with big data
181 2011-03-22T20:32:10 *** cdom
182 2011-03-22T20:33:00 *** cdom
183 2011-03-22T20:38:37 <sinha_> ThomassWaldmann : If i add any comment during modification of any item..where does the comment go ? means i am not seeing it anywhere
184 2011-03-22T20:38:45 <sinha_> ThomasWaldmann : If i add any comment during modification of any item..where does the comment go ? means i am not seeing it anywhere
185 2011-03-22T20:39:19 <ThomasWaldmann> sinha_: it goes into metadata
186 2011-03-22T20:39:45 <sinha_> ThomasWaldmann : It is not displayed on the screen
187 2011-03-22T20:39:58 <ThomasWaldmann> http://test.moinmo.in/+history/Home e.g. there, see column "Comment"
188 2011-03-22T20:40:54 <ThomasWaldmann> http://test.moinmo.in/+history or there, same thing
189 2011-03-22T20:41:08 <sinha_> ThomasWaldmann : okay now i see it
190 2011-03-22T20:41:18 <ThomasWaldmann> (that stuff should get more pretty asap)
191 2011-03-22T20:41:59 <sinha_> ThomasWaldmann : yes..and i am also thinking for a alert if a user by mistake leaves the page during any modification of item
192 2011-03-22T20:42:20 <sinha_> ThomasWaldmann: it may hapeen that user may lose all the things he written
193 2011-03-22T20:42:27 <ThomasWaldmann> we had something like that in 1.9
194 2011-03-22T20:42:42 <sinha_> then why its removed ?
195 2011-03-22T20:42:57 <ThomasWaldmann> moin2 doesn't have much in common with 1.9 :)
196 2011-03-22T20:43:22 <sinha_> means it is a required thing , right ?
197 2011-03-22T20:44:08 <ThomasWaldmann> hm?
198 2011-03-22T20:45:02 <sinha_> i mean that prompt is necessary..lots of time user may accidentally closes the browser
199 2011-03-22T20:45:06 <sinha_> or anything
200 2011-03-22T20:46:06 <ThomasWaldmann> well, you usually only lose data like that once, no? :D
201 2011-03-22T20:46:23 <ThomasWaldmann> but yes, we should have that :)
202 2011-03-22T20:47:04 <sinha_> yes that is the case..i am just saying that it may cause inconvinence
203 2011-03-22T20:47:26 <ThomasWaldmann> you know WYGIWYD? :)
204 2011-03-22T20:48:57 <sinha_> what you get is what to do
205 2011-03-22T20:49:02 <sinha_> ?
206 2011-03-22T20:49:13 <sinha_> wha you do :P
207 2011-03-22T20:49:21 <ThomasWaldmann> what you get is what you deserve :)
208 2011-03-22T20:49:26 <sinha_> oh
209 2011-03-22T20:49:28 <sinha_> nice
210 2011-03-22T20:50:22 <ThomasWaldmann> gtg/brb
211 2011-03-22T20:50:27 <sinha_> i know the support is open source..but i think we should give some space to users to make his mistake and handling those mistakes
212 2011-03-22T20:50:28 <sinha_> okay
213 2011-03-22T21:09:14 <ThomasWaldmann> re
214 2011-03-22T21:17:40 <dreimark> re
215 2011-03-22T21:22:19 <dreimark> it was based on the old caching system
216 2011-03-22T21:28:37 <sinha_> ThomasWaldmann: Re GSoc i want to get involved in User Interface projects
217 2011-03-22T21:29:06 <sinha_> ThomasWaldmann: creating new interfaces adding some features like of thing
218 2011-03-22T21:41:38 *** grzywacz
219 2011-03-22T21:58:13 *** m4k3r
220 2011-03-22T22:02:53 <ThomasWaldmann> sinha_: you maybe noticed that quite some stuff in the content area looks a bit crappy right now
221 2011-03-22T22:03:00 <ThomasWaldmann> impress us by improving it :)
222 2011-03-22T22:03:56 <sinha_> ThomasWaldmann: improving the css and adding some jquery ?
223 2011-03-22T22:10:14 *** grzywacz
224 2011-03-22T22:16:32 <dreimark> sinha_: for example :)
225 2011-03-22T22:18:56 <sinha_> dreimark: can i shrinken the nav bar..because at is currently, if we want to add some more links it wont be easy
226 2011-03-22T22:26:25 <sinha_> How to change theme in moin2
227 2011-03-22T22:49:29 <grad> dreimark: ThomasWaldmann: Hi, again. I just want to ask your opinion about possibility of my participation in GSoC as mentor. Could you tell me what do you think about it?
228 2011-03-22T23:29:08 <sinha_> dreimark: ThomasWaldmann: In top navigation bar we can shrink it by doing something like this http://web.iiit.ac.in/~akash.sinhaug08/moin/Home.html
229 2011-03-22T23:29:55 <sinha_> I know having it in footer is not good..we could think of removing those menus from footers..if that wont affect the functionality
230 2011-03-22T23:33:00 *** sinha_
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