1 2011-05-11T00:01:19 <dreimark> gn
2 2011-05-11T00:04:16 *** m4k3r
3 2011-05-11T04:05:42 *** ronny
4 2011-05-11T05:14:57 *** Marchael
5 2011-05-11T05:15:29 <Marchael> moin
6 2011-05-11T05:28:51 *** hardy_89
7 2011-05-11T05:52:58 *** ronny
8 2011-05-11T07:06:19 *** ronny
9 2011-05-11T07:42:45 *** hardy_89
10 2011-05-11T08:20:59 *** Marchael
11 2011-05-11T08:53:06 *** gwork
12 2011-05-11T08:54:56 *** hardy_89
13 2011-05-11T09:01:38 *** Marchael
14 2011-05-11T09:31:44 <dreimark> moin
15 2011-05-11T10:02:46 *** hardy_89
16 2011-05-11T10:09:34 *** hardy_89
17 2011-05-11T10:17:27 *** MattMaker_
18 2011-05-11T10:17:31 *** MattMaker
19 2011-05-11T10:17:31 *** MattMaker_
20 2011-05-11T10:37:21 *** Marchael
21 2011-05-11T10:48:53 *** ronny
22 2011-05-11T11:12:41 <ThomasWaldmann> moin
23 2011-05-11T11:50:12 *** MattMaker
24 2011-05-11T11:52:26 *** MattMaker_
25 2011-05-11T12:32:03 *** greg_f
26 2011-05-11T12:37:10 *** hardy_89
27 2011-05-11T12:41:02 *** MattMaker_
28 2011-05-11T12:57:30 *** ronny
29 2011-05-11T13:14:08 *** ronny
30 2011-05-11T13:35:09 *** MattMaker
31 2011-05-11T13:42:17 <ThomasWaldmann> http://codereview.appspot.com/4520051 experimental change using some html5 form field types and placeholders
32 2011-05-11T13:42:50 <ThomasWaldmann> (rather simple right now, not using flatland magic)
33 2011-05-11T13:45:17 <ThomasWaldmann> for forms that are shown empty (NOT for editing existing data), we could even remove the labels if the browser supports placeholders
34 2011-05-11T13:46:08 <ThomasWaldmann> but one only sees the placeholders IF the field is empty, so no good for showing an edit form filled with existing data
35 2011-05-11T14:07:15 <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: waldi: did you hear of your students recently? if not, maybe send them a 2nd notification that they have a testing meeting in roughly an hour and the general meeting in rougly 2 hours from now.
36 2011-05-11T14:31:40 <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: i did
37 2011-05-11T14:33:56 <ThomasWaldmann> did what?
38 2011-05-11T14:40:43 <xorAxAx> "did you hear of your students recently?"
39 2011-05-11T14:50:47 <TheSheep> from
40 2011-05-11T14:58:20 *** m4k3r
41 2011-05-11T14:58:27 <waldi> nope
42 2011-05-11T15:00:43 <xorAxAx> our project page http://moinmo.in/UnittestOverhaul
43 2011-05-11T15:03:51 <ThomasWaldmann> reads familiar ;)
44 2011-05-11T15:04:25 <ThomasWaldmann> waldi: xorAxAx: please have a look on your own at the tests, you maybe will find more
45 2011-05-11T15:04:51 *** pkumar
46 2011-05-11T15:05:12 <ThomasWaldmann> better late than not at all
47 2011-05-11T15:05:28 <pkumar> hi
48 2011-05-11T15:06:31 <xorAxAx> hi my student :)
49 2011-05-11T15:06:42 <xorAxAx> pkumar: have you read http://moinmo.in/UnittestOverhaul?
50 2011-05-11T15:07:29 <pkumar> not yet
51 2011-05-11T15:07:51 <pkumar> yup!
52 2011-05-11T15:08:15 <xorAxAx> first of all we wonder why you have 2 project pages
53 2011-05-11T15:08:19 <xorAxAx> with similar contents
54 2011-05-11T15:08:25 <xorAxAx> split personality disorder? :)
55 2011-05-11T15:10:11 <xorAxAx> pkumar: still with us? :)
56 2011-05-11T15:10:24 <pkumar> just for the naming convention I created a new project with different name
57 2011-05-11T15:10:37 <xorAxAx> "different name"?
58 2011-05-11T15:10:45 <xorAxAx> waldi: do you still expect your student?
59 2011-05-11T15:10:58 <waldi> i haven't heard from him
60 2011-05-11T15:11:11 <pkumar> Prashant Kumar/pkumar does not sounds good
61 2011-05-11T15:11:32 <pkumar> for a project page
62 2011-05-11T15:11:44 <ThomasWaldmann> in general it is bad to have duplicated content as consistency will degrade over time
63 2011-05-11T15:11:48 <xorAxAx> pkumar: yes, then why didnt you rename the pages or at least delete them?
64 2011-05-11T15:13:08 <pkumar> I'll just modify the other page
65 2011-05-11T15:13:19 <xorAxAx> "modify"?
66 2011-05-11T15:14:36 <pkumar> that page can be used as a tutorial page
67 2011-05-11T15:14:48 <xorAxAx> i dont understand
68 2011-05-11T15:16:03 <pkumar> Prashant/kumar can be used as a page where a tutorial can be provided
69 2011-05-11T15:16:13 <xorAxAx> for whom about what?
70 2011-05-11T15:16:18 <pkumar> regarding the testing work on MoinMoin
71 2011-05-11T15:16:39 <xorAxAx> when do you plan to write it, and why would it use your application as a base?
72 2011-05-11T15:18:05 <pkumar> We can write it during the work progress
73 2011-05-11T15:18:30 <pkumar> The contents need to be updated regularly
74 2011-05-11T15:18:59 <xorAxAx> then please remove one of your applications from the wiki ... regardless how you plan to use the particular page
75 2011-05-11T15:19:23 <pkumar> okay
76 2011-05-11T15:19:30 <xorAxAx> waldi: did you think about other todo items than i listed on the overhaul page?
77 2011-05-11T15:20:19 <xorAxAx> pkumar: ok, regarding the other items i listed on the page linked above, i think it matches your application already quite well, so we mostly have to figure out how to divide the work
78 2011-05-11T15:20:34 <pkumar> yup
79 2011-05-11T15:20:59 <pkumar> I went through the application of Himanshu
80 2011-05-11T15:21:17 <xorAxAx> yeah, its not very detailled :)
81 2011-05-11T15:21:41 <pkumar> His initial plan seems like to fix different bugs
82 2011-05-11T15:21:44 <xorAxAx> on http://moinmo.in/pkumar_pytest-2 under 6., you list 7 "modules". how did you come up with that list?
83 2011-05-11T15:22:47 <xorAxAx> pkumar: how did you understand his proposal - which different bugs?
84 2011-05-11T15:22:55 *** xjjk
85 2011-05-11T15:23:00 <waldi> xorAxAx: you know what I think about the first point. the others are mostly what I was able to come up with
86 2011-05-11T15:23:28 <xorAxAx> waldi: you mean xpath?
87 2011-05-11T15:23:51 <waldi> yes
88 2011-05-11T15:24:01 <xorAxAx> what was your point again? :)
89 2011-05-11T15:24:28 <waldi> please define, what this tests should check for
90 2011-05-11T15:24:55 <xorAxAx> that depends, we will have to find out
91 2011-05-11T15:24:56 <waldi> until this is defined, all discussion is pointless
92 2011-05-11T15:25:07 <xorAxAx> xpath is just an example
93 2011-05-11T15:25:57 <xorAxAx> pkumar: still with us?
94 2011-05-11T15:26:03 <pkumar> yup
95 2011-05-11T15:26:10 *** xjjk
96 2011-05-11T15:26:13 <xorAxAx> pkumar: would be nice if you could respond to my questions more quickly
97 2011-05-11T15:26:21 <pkumar> sure
98 2011-05-11T15:26:33 <xorAxAx> 15:21:46 xorAxAx | pkumar: how did you understand his proposal - which different bugs?
99 2011-05-11T15:27:01 <pkumar> he has mentioned to do sanity checks
100 2011-05-11T15:27:33 <pkumar> http://moinmo.in/Himanshu%20Awasthi/GSoC2011
101 2011-05-11T15:28:13 <pkumar> also Complete log of current bugs
102 2011-05-11T15:28:40 <pkumar> from May 23 to June 13
103 2011-05-11T15:29:07 <xorAxAx> yes, i think it makes sense to evaluate first the quality of the tests to know what exactly needs to be done
104 2011-05-11T15:29:09 <xorAxAx> do coverage tests etc.
105 2011-05-11T15:29:29 <xorAxAx> 15:20:43 xorAxAx | on http://moinmo.in/pkumar_pytest-2 under 6., you list 7 "modules". how did you come up with that list?
106 2011-05-11T15:30:11 <pkumar> converter is a main part of MoinMoin
107 2011-05-11T15:30:36 <pkumar> Also, if we complete these modules
108 2011-05-11T15:30:49 <xorAxAx> but converter is already implemented?! you mean you want to implement tests for them? if so, why do you list _tests?
109 2011-05-11T15:31:34 <pkumar> if we could complete these tests till July 15
110 2011-05-11T15:31:55 <pkumar> we'll at a good state till mid term evaluation
111 2011-05-11T15:32:34 <xorAxAx> yes, but do you understand my confusion?
112 2011-05-11T15:33:20 <pkumar> Is it about what is the basis of selecting the particular list?
113 2011-05-11T15:33:24 <xorAxAx> yes
114 2011-05-11T15:33:47 <xorAxAx> and why you list _tests and converter at the same time?
115 2011-05-11T15:34:57 <pkumar> this would result in covering in major portion of test coverage
116 2011-05-11T15:35:37 <pkumar> storage is another major portion
117 2011-05-11T15:35:49 <xorAxAx> yeah, why didnt you list it?
118 2011-05-11T15:36:03 <pkumar> so I planned to keep it separate
119 2011-05-11T15:36:23 <xorAxAx> i dont understand
120 2011-05-11T15:36:25 <pkumar> it is from July 16-July 23
121 2011-05-11T15:36:57 <pkumar> just to divide the work equally
122 2011-05-11T15:37:09 <xorAxAx> i dont see any mentioning of storage there
123 2011-05-11T15:37:32 <pkumar> from July 16 - July 23
124 2011-05-11T15:37:46 <xorAxAx> ah, i am blind :)
125 2011-05-11T15:38:05 <xorAxAx> and you probably mean the toplevel by _tests
126 2011-05-11T15:38:17 <pkumar> yeah
127 2011-05-11T15:38:26 <xorAxAx> pkumar: so what do you think, how could the other student help you best?
128 2011-05-11T15:38:34 <xorAxAx> i.e. which work do you want to delegate?
129 2011-05-11T15:38:47 * xorAxAx is right back in less than 10 minutes
130 2011-05-11T15:38:53 <xorAxAx> talk to waldi at this time
131 2011-05-11T15:38:59 <pkumar> okay
132 2011-05-11T15:39:56 <pkumar> I think that he should go on with his idea
133 2011-05-11T15:40:09 <pkumar> I mean Himanshu
134 2011-05-11T15:41:02 <waldi> which idea do you mean?
135 2011-05-11T15:41:10 <pkumar> waldi: He could work on different bugs
136 2011-05-11T15:41:17 <pkumar> as he has mentioned
137 2011-05-11T15:41:53 <pkumar> till the time I'll try to port the tests over to pytest 2.0.x
138 2011-05-11T15:42:13 <pkumar> And we'll be in sync with each other
139 2011-05-11T15:44:25 <pkumar> I'll discuss this with him if he's fine with it
140 2011-05-11T15:45:25 <pkumar> waldi: What do you think?
141 2011-05-11T15:46:23 <pkumar> this is the plan for the first week
142 2011-05-11T15:48:27 <pkumar> or we can also divide different issues among us listed in bitbucket repo
143 2011-05-11T15:48:47 <pkumar> https://bitbucket.org/thomaswaldmann/moin-2.0
144 2011-05-11T15:51:17 <xorAxAx> pkumar: what kind of issues? you mean the filed bugs? how is that related to your work?
145 2011-05-11T15:51:51 <pkumar> As it is a refinement of MoinMoin tests
146 2011-05-11T15:52:12 <pkumar> I think it would be great if we could work on different issues as well
147 2011-05-11T15:52:55 <xorAxAx> if there are issues that descirbe test problems, yes, why not
148 2011-05-11T15:53:00 * dreimark has to leave for some minutes
149 2011-05-11T15:53:09 <xorAxAx> of course you may also fix bugs while writing tests :)
150 2011-05-11T15:53:15 <pkumar> there are three issues I guess
151 2011-05-11T15:53:22 <pkumar> for tests
152 2011-05-11T15:53:30 <xorAxAx> ok
153 2011-05-11T15:53:51 <pkumar> I've also mentioned that in my application
154 2011-05-11T15:54:22 <xorAxAx> ok :)
155 2011-05-11T15:54:51 <pkumar> one of the issue was not listed at that time so there are only two mentioned there
156 2011-05-11T15:54:55 <xorAxAx> pkumar: do you already know how to determine test coverage?
157 2011-05-11T15:55:23 <pkumar> not exactly
158 2011-05-11T15:55:53 <pkumar> I was currently going through MoinMoin docs
159 2011-05-11T15:55:55 <xorAxAx> pkumar: can you google a bit till the next meeting about test coverage?
160 2011-05-11T15:56:02 <pkumar> sure
161 2011-05-11T15:56:03 <xorAxAx> (in python programs)
162 2011-05-11T15:56:10 <pkumar> okay
163 2011-05-11T15:56:42 <xorAxAx> ok, then our meeting is closed and we wait for the next meeting :)
164 2011-05-11T15:56:43 <pkumar> I'm familiar with pytest framework
165 2011-05-11T15:56:57 <xorAxAx> a bit unsatisfying that the other student didnt come
166 2011-05-11T15:57:03 <xorAxAx> pkumar: cool
167 2011-05-11T15:57:48 <xorAxAx> pkumar: btw, it would be nice if you joined us more often on irc
168 2011-05-11T15:58:18 <pkumar> I think Himanshu is a little busy regarding FSB
169 2011-05-11T15:58:26 <pkumar> http://moinmo.in/HimanshuAwasthi
170 2011-05-11T15:59:22 <xorAxAx> pkumar: fsb?
171 2011-05-11T15:59:23 <pkumar> sure, I'll be available 24 - 7 from 14th onwards
172 2011-05-11T15:59:37 <xorAxAx> whats on 14th? :)
173 2011-05-11T15:59:39 <pkumar> sorry, SSB
174 2011-05-11T15:59:57 <xorAxAx> or exams as he writes
175 2011-05-11T16:00:35 <pkumar> Currently I'm a little busy with my college project
176 2011-05-11T16:00:44 <xorAxAx> ok
177 2011-05-11T16:00:52 <pkumar> Will get over by 14th
178 2011-05-11T16:00:53 <xorAxAx> me too, i am writing my master's thesis :)
179 2011-05-11T16:01:01 <pkumar> oh great
180 2011-05-11T16:01:45 <xorAxAx> ok, next meeting. which student besides pkumar is with us? :)
181 2011-05-11T16:02:04 <pkumar> :)
182 2011-05-11T16:02:22 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, welcome to our first meeting
183 2011-05-11T16:02:29 <xorAxAx> too late :D
184 2011-05-11T16:02:31 <pkumar> thanks
185 2011-05-11T16:02:44 <ThomasWaldmann> (from now on, this is for all projects, not just testing)
186 2011-05-11T16:02:55 <pkumar> okay
187 2011-05-11T16:03:08 <pkumar> So, no meeting next hour?
188 2011-05-11T16:03:11 <xorAxAx> i dont see any other student
189 2011-05-11T16:03:13 <pkumar> 14:00 utc
190 2011-05-11T16:03:17 <ThomasWaldmann> hardy is still missing as it seems
191 2011-05-11T16:03:31 <xorAxAx> pkumar: no, we are in the next meeting right now :)
192 2011-05-11T16:03:43 <ThomasWaldmann> Marchael also missing
193 2011-05-11T16:04:06 <pkumar> ThomasWaldmann: Himanshu is busy regarding Indian Air Force exams I guess
194 2011-05-11T16:04:11 <ThomasWaldmann> sinha also missing
195 2011-05-11T16:04:29 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: do you have time now?
196 2011-05-11T16:04:37 <pkumar> Time zones may be confusing
197 2011-05-11T16:04:47 <ThomasWaldmann> pkumar: that's why we use utc
198 2011-05-11T16:04:59 <pkumar> yeah! :)
199 2011-05-11T16:05:08 <ThomasWaldmann> about marchael / whoosh search i can shortly summarize
200 2011-05-11T16:05:30 <ThomasWaldmann> marchael and me were rather active on the etherpad linked from his project wiki page
201 2011-05-11T16:05:56 <ThomasWaldmann> so whoever wants to see the state of planning, just have a look there
202 2011-05-11T16:06:36 * dreimark back
203 2011-05-11T16:06:42 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: yes
204 2011-05-11T16:06:51 <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: can you shortly sum it up?
205 2011-05-11T16:08:06 *** hardy_89
206 2011-05-11T16:08:40 <pkumar> Do we need to be in sync with all the other GSoC students?
207 2011-05-11T16:09:05 <pkumar> tests need to be updated regularly
208 2011-05-11T16:09:06 <hardy_89> hi waldi
209 2011-05-11T16:09:09 <xorAxAx> pkumar: yes, at least in the coding phase :)
210 2011-05-11T16:09:17 <xorAxAx> hi hardy_89, one hour too late :)
211 2011-05-11T16:09:45 <hardy_89> xorAxAx: sorry. i'm here for almost 12hrs/day. everyday :)
212 2011-05-11T16:09:57 <xorAxAx> hehe
213 2011-05-11T16:10:11 <xorAxAx> i am here for 24h a day, but only technically ;)
214 2011-05-11T16:10:47 <hardy_89> xorAxAx: all right :)
215 2011-05-11T16:10:49 * dreimark got a mail by sinha
216 2011-05-11T16:11:20 <dreimark> he tries to join at at IRC around 1430 - 1500 UTC .
217 2011-05-11T16:11:35 <xorAxAx> hardy_89: dont forget to read the logs and talk to pkumar about it
218 2011-05-11T16:12:06 <hardy_89> xorAxAx: i've been in touch with pkumar for past 4-5 days
219 2011-05-11T16:12:23 <ThomasWaldmann> http://etherpad.osuosl.org/whoosh-moin see there
220 2011-05-11T16:12:24 <pkumar> hardy_89: hi
221 2011-05-11T16:12:26 <hardy_89> pkumar: i wasn't signed in. pls2provide logs
222 2011-05-11T16:12:34 <dreimark> hardy_89: see wiki
223 2011-05-11T16:12:41 <hardy_89> right right
224 2011-05-11T16:12:56 <dreimark> http://moinmo.in/MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2011-05-11
225 2011-05-11T16:13:26 <dreimark> hardy_89: ^
226 2011-05-11T16:13:46 <xorAxAx> hardy_89: sounds good
227 2011-05-11T16:14:03 <hardy_89> dreimark: thanks. and hi :)
228 2011-05-11T16:15:09 <xorAxAx> ok, so it looks like thomas and marchael designed a technical spec that tells them what to do
229 2011-05-11T16:15:09 <ThomasWaldmann> in general i found brainstorming together quite useful with etherpad
230 2011-05-11T16:15:29 <xorAxAx> dreimark: whats the status of your student?
231 2011-05-11T16:15:56 <dreimark> xorAxAx: he mailes he had internet problems
232 2011-05-11T16:16:11 <ThomasWaldmann> also, i think it'll be much more productive for coding phase if student have a DETAILLED plan about what they should do
233 2011-05-11T16:16:15 <xorAxAx> did he have questions or planning results alreaady?
234 2011-05-11T16:16:23 <ThomasWaldmann> not just the rough stuff from their application
235 2011-05-11T16:16:33 <dreimark> xorAxAx: not such much
236 2011-05-11T16:16:40 <pkumar> hardy_89: Have you thought something on work distribution?
237 2011-05-11T16:17:09 <pkumar> For the first week to begin with
238 2011-05-11T16:17:23 <hardy_89> pkumar: as we discussed last time, i have been studying mercurial since then and now hopefully good with it.
239 2011-05-11T16:17:29 <hardy_89> pkumar: lets do it now
240 2011-05-11T16:17:52 <pkumar> hardy_89:good
241 2011-05-11T16:19:24 <dreimark> xorAxAx: http://etherpad.osuosl.org/moin-2-ui
242 2011-05-11T16:19:38 <dreimark> we started at 4th and then he disappears
243 2011-05-11T16:20:33 <xorAxAx> ok
244 2011-05-11T16:27:29 * ThomasWaldmann cleaned/extended the ui etherpad a bit
245 2011-05-11T16:28:17 * dreimark seen
246 2011-05-11T16:28:31 <dreimark> but it would be really helpful the main actor joins in
247 2011-05-11T16:28:37 <ThomasWaldmann> hardy_89: pkumar: in general, you should show MUCH more activity (on IRC, on wiki, on etherpad maybe)
248 2011-05-11T16:29:01 <pkumar> Sure,
249 2011-05-11T16:29:13 <ThomasWaldmann> you have to expect that discussing stuff needs some time, you now have time. if you wait with that until coding time, you'll lose time.
250 2011-05-11T16:29:23 <hardy_89> yeah
251 2011-05-11T16:29:29 <pkumar> 14th onwards I'll be online more frequently
252 2011-05-11T16:30:05 <ThomasWaldmann> just imagine how great it would be to have a really detailled plan about what to do when coding starts.
253 2011-05-11T16:30:12 <hardy_89> ThomasWaldmann: i'm here all the time :) except meeting timings :|
254 2011-05-11T16:30:12 <ThomasWaldmann> you could be much more productive.
255 2011-05-11T16:30:24 <ThomasWaldmann> hardy_89: being here is NOT enough
256 2011-05-11T16:30:39 <ThomasWaldmann> you need to say something, discuss, document
257 2011-05-11T16:30:47 <dreimark> hardy_89: because that is just watching others
258 2011-05-11T16:31:24 *** Marchael
259 2011-05-11T16:31:35 <Marchael> moin
260 2011-05-11T16:31:46 <hardy_89> ThomasWaldmann, dreimark : all i've been doing is reading all the required stuff
261 2011-05-11T16:31:58 <hardy_89> i'm learning, but slowly. i agree to it
262 2011-05-11T16:32:27 <hardy_89> making a bitbucket acc and repo shows some signs of life i guess :)
263 2011-05-11T16:32:30 <ThomasWaldmann> hardy_89: I can't imagine you never had a question about something.
264 2011-05-11T16:32:43 <ThomasWaldmann> so why don't you communicate?
265 2011-05-11T16:32:52 <ThomasWaldmann> (same q. for pkumar btw.)
266 2011-05-11T16:33:12 <dreimark> hardy_89: we try to answer all questions but we can't read your mind
267 2011-05-11T16:33:31 <dreimark> also it is easier to ask us "stupid" questions if something blocks you
268 2011-05-11T16:33:39 <dreimark> it is even better than not to ask
269 2011-05-11T16:33:40 <hardy_89> ThomasWaldmann: nothing that tough has come so far. I had few doubts which i cleared from pkumar
270 2011-05-11T16:33:55 <hardy_89> dreimark: i got your point
271 2011-05-11T16:33:56 <dreimark> and some of my teachers told "There are no stupid quesations at all"
272 2011-05-11T16:34:03 <hardy_89> i'll take care of that from now on
273 2011-05-11T16:34:06 <hardy_89> ThomasWaldmann: ^
274 2011-05-11T16:34:26 <pkumar> Well, currently all my doubts are being cleared by docs provided
275 2011-05-11T16:35:00 <ThomasWaldmann> and if you're communicating (and it is nothing that has to be considered personal/private), it is strong suggested to use this channel
276 2011-05-11T16:35:14 <ThomasWaldmann> because you can look up stuff later in the logs
277 2011-05-11T16:35:23 <ThomasWaldmann> and because everybody sees you are active :)
278 2011-05-11T16:35:25 * dreimark and we too
279 2011-05-11T16:36:30 <Marchael> Am I missed something? :)
280 2011-05-11T16:36:56 <ThomasWaldmann> you're late, but you can read the backlog
281 2011-05-11T16:37:20 <Marchael> ok
282 2011-05-11T16:37:22 <ThomasWaldmann> i pointed to our etherpad for everyone interested
283 2011-05-11T16:38:26 * Marchael reads
284 2011-05-11T16:38:28 <ThomasWaldmann> http://moinmo.in/UnittestOverhaul < that doesn't scale
285 2011-05-11T16:38:41 <dreimark> xorAxAx: ^
286 2011-05-11T16:38:51 <ThomasWaldmann> use headlines h1 for main topics, add much more details
287 2011-05-11T16:39:21 <ThomasWaldmann> pkumar: do the last item and remove it after you're done
288 2011-05-11T16:39:42 <ThomasWaldmann> pkumar: hardy_89: add much more stuff there
289 2011-05-11T16:39:54 <pkumar> okay
290 2011-05-11T16:40:01 <ThomasWaldmann> pkumar: hardy_89: xorAxAx: waldi: and decice whether you want to use etherpad for working in parallel
291 2011-05-11T16:40:16 <ThomasWaldmann> decide*
292 2011-05-11T16:40:43 <ThomasWaldmann> pkumar: and in general, if you invent a name for something, thing long enough so that the name really makes sense
293 2011-05-11T16:40:48 <ThomasWaldmann> think*
294 2011-05-11T16:41:19 <pkumar> I'll take care of that from now onwards
295 2011-05-11T16:41:22 <ThomasWaldmann> then you don't have to fix it afterwards (this applies to wiki pages, to coding, etc.)
296 2011-05-11T16:41:34 <pkumar> yeah!
297 2011-05-11T16:42:08 * ThomasWaldmann has seen quite some code that is almost impossible to understand just because names are no good.
298 2011-05-11T16:42:56 <hardy_89> i did the same with my bitbucket repo :)
299 2011-05-11T16:43:12 <pkumar> I was wondering how could etherpad be helpful to us?
300 2011-05-11T16:43:16 * dreimark wishes to have clean assert output if a test fails
301 2011-05-11T16:43:32 <dreimark> not something where I have to read test to understand the inputs
302 2011-05-11T16:43:53 <ThomasWaldmann> pkumar: on the wiki, you have to be a bit careful when working at same time because of producing edit conflicts (and you won't see each other typing)
303 2011-05-11T16:44:10 <ThomasWaldmann> on etherpad, you can have 4 people typing and seeing each other at same time
304 2011-05-11T16:44:21 <ThomasWaldmann> it's much more speedy
305 2011-05-11T16:44:29 <pkumar> oh
306 2011-05-11T16:44:32 <pkumar> Nice
307 2011-05-11T16:44:38 <ThomasWaldmann> (it is not without issues, e.g. it tends to duplicate spaces somehow)
308 2011-05-11T16:44:41 <dreimark> btw. we had a project for such an editor but we were not possible to implement it yet
309 2011-05-11T16:44:47 <ThomasWaldmann> http://etherpad.osuosl.org/
310 2011-05-11T16:44:51 <hardy_89> ThomasWaldmann: sounds good
311 2011-05-11T16:44:52 <dreimark> s/possible/able/
312 2011-05-11T16:45:13 <ThomasWaldmann> i usually use this, seems to be for FOSS stuff in general (at least they don't say otherwise)
313 2011-05-11T16:45:36 * dreimark it was introduced at mentor summit last October
314 2011-05-11T16:45:38 <ThomasWaldmann> important is to make backups of the content there, of course
315 2011-05-11T16:45:48 <pkumar> Can you please provide the link for the etherpad?
316 2011-05-11T16:46:08 <dreimark> and you should not do 100 snapshot saves. I think it is limited to that number
317 2011-05-11T16:46:22 <pkumar> okay
318 2011-05-11T16:46:26 <ThomasWaldmann> if one uses reST markup, one can even write docs there that we can reuse in sphinx docs of moin2
319 2011-05-11T16:48:09 <hardy_89> ThomasWaldmann: why do we use Mercurial, and not Git ?
320 2011-05-11T16:51:00 <dreimark> hardy_89: because it is python
321 2011-05-11T16:51:19 <hardy_89> dreimark: makes sense :)
322 2011-05-11T16:51:34 <ThomasWaldmann> that and because it is platform-independant and even easier
323 2011-05-11T16:51:40 <hardy_89> wait...what is Git all about. I guess C.
324 2011-05-11T16:52:09 <hardy_89> Git is fast but regular repacks is certainly a big problem
325 2011-05-11T16:52:45 <dreimark> not only C, or last time I looked on it there were somer perl scripts
326 2011-05-11T16:53:18 <ThomasWaldmann> git started as a hack from linus for kernel devs
327 2011-05-11T16:53:32 <hardy_89> thats still linux biased
328 2011-05-11T16:53:46 <ThomasWaldmann> hg started as a python project from mpm for kernel devs
329 2011-05-11T16:53:55 <hardy_89> it is faster than mercurial, but only on Linux :P
330 2011-05-11T16:54:16 <pkumar> Thats why all python projects are on mercurial
331 2011-05-11T16:54:23 <pkumar> cpython too
332 2011-05-11T16:55:25 <Marchael> brb soon :)
333 2011-05-11T16:55:30 *** Marchael
334 2011-05-11T16:56:17 <pkumar> Are we using etherpad?
335 2011-05-11T16:56:42 <pkumar> xorAxAx: ^
336 2011-05-11T16:57:33 <xorAxAx> pkumar: i am fine with it
337 2011-05-11T16:57:43 <xorAxAx> pkumar: feel free to create one and propagate the link
338 2011-05-11T16:57:50 <pkumar> okay
339 2011-05-11T16:57:56 <ThomasWaldmann> put the link on the wiki page :)
340 2011-05-11T16:58:11 <pkumar> okay
341 2011-05-11T16:58:14 <pkumar> :)
342 2011-05-11T16:58:23 <ThomasWaldmann> and make sure you only work at one place at a time, but have backups
343 2011-05-11T16:58:58 <pkumar> okay
344 2011-05-11T16:59:14 <ThomasWaldmann> for working together on etherpad, there is also a small chat window at the right
345 2011-05-11T16:59:39 <ThomasWaldmann> make sure everything important is in the DOCUMENT at the left in the end, because we don't have the chat long-term
346 2011-05-11T17:00:08 <ThomasWaldmann> when chatting, it is a good idea to refer to the line number of the content one is working on
347 2011-05-11T17:01:13 <hardy_89> pkumar: http://etherpad.osuosl.org/5ef45Lf0Pn
348 2011-05-11T17:01:24 <hardy_89> we can start from here i guess
349 2011-05-11T17:02:45 <pkumar> yeah
350 2011-05-11T17:03:55 <ThomasWaldmann> ehrm
351 2011-05-11T17:04:23 <hardy_89> ThomasWaldmann: i get a feeling of Google Docs on etherpad :)
352 2011-05-11T17:04:26 <ThomasWaldmann> your etherpad should have a reasonable name also, like /moin2-testing or so
353 2011-05-11T17:06:09 <hardy_89> ThomasWaldmann: what is the max num of ppl?
354 2011-05-11T17:06:11 <hardy_89> 4?
355 2011-05-11T17:06:30 <ThomasWaldmann> idk
356 2011-05-11T17:09:46 <ThomasWaldmann> so, what the etherpad url?
357 2011-05-11T17:09:59 <hardy_89> http://etherpad.osuosl.org/5ef45Lf0Pn
358 2011-05-11T17:10:04 <hardy_89> ThomasWaldmann: ^
359 2011-05-11T17:10:10 <ThomasWaldmann> no
360 2011-05-11T17:10:23 <ThomasWaldmann> that's a pain, not a reasonable url
361 2011-05-11T17:11:18 <ThomasWaldmann> http://etherpad.osuosl.org/moin2-unittest
362 2011-05-11T17:11:53 <hardy_89> ThomasWaldmann: how to get that name in url?
363 2011-05-11T17:14:44 <pkumar> http://etherpad.osuosl.org/moin-pytest
364 2011-05-11T17:15:15 <pkumar> hardy_89: just type in your url
365 2011-05-11T17:15:38 <pkumar> the name you want
366 2011-05-11T17:16:01 <xorAxAx> http://etherpad.osuosl.org/moin-pytest-my-url-is-better-than-yours
367 2011-05-11T17:16:14 <hardy_89> xorAxAx: he hee :D
368 2011-05-11T17:17:07 <pkumar> :D
369 2011-05-11T17:17:15 <ThomasWaldmann> pkumar: fix last point
370 2011-05-11T17:17:27 <pkumar> sure
371 2011-05-11T17:17:32 <ThomasWaldmann> and reconnect to EP, you got disconnected
372 2011-05-11T17:18:12 <hardy_89> ThomasWaldmann: one more thing, before i close any EP page, i need to select the entire stuff, copy it and save it somewhere on my local system.
373 2011-05-11T17:18:19 <hardy_89> ThomasWaldmann: ofc, if i need a bckup
374 2011-05-11T17:18:24 <hardy_89> *backup
375 2011-05-11T17:18:26 <pkumar> damn, slow connection
376 2011-05-11T17:19:40 <ThomasWaldmann> waldi: xorAxAx: can you manage to join the ep also?
377 2011-05-11T17:23:43 * dreimark btw. etherpad stores as rev of any keystroke.
378 2011-05-11T17:23:47 *** hardy_89
379 2011-05-11T17:23:48 <dreimark> -s
380 2011-05-11T17:24:15 * dreimark moves to pycologne
381 2011-05-11T17:24:17 <dreimark> bbl
382 2011-05-11T17:34:48 *** gwork
383 2011-05-11T17:54:36 <pkumar> talking about pytest-2 which version of pytest 2.0.x are we considering?
384 2011-05-11T17:54:46 <pkumar> pytest 2.0.2?
385 2011-05-11T17:54:57 <xorAxAx> how old is the newest release?
386 2011-05-11T17:55:18 <pkumar> lemme check
387 2011-05-11T17:55:32 <pkumar> pytest 2.0.2 is latest
388 2011-05-11T17:58:53 <pkumar> seems like pytest 2.0.3 is also out
389 2011-05-11T18:01:17 <pkumar> http://doc.pytest.org/en/latest/changelog.html
390 2011-05-11T18:02:20 <pkumar> xorAxAx: ^
391 2011-05-11T18:02:41 <xorAxAx> that doesnt answer my question
392 2011-05-11T18:02:49 <pkumar> March
393 2011-05-11T18:03:17 <pkumar> pytest 2.0.3 was released
394 2011-05-11T18:03:32 <pkumar> this year
395 2011-05-11T18:05:59 <pkumar> Are we going for pytest 2.0.3?
396 2011-05-11T18:06:55 <ThomasWaldmann> of course we'll use latest release
397 2011-05-11T18:07:21 <pkumar> cool
398 2011-05-11T18:08:39 <pkumar> With the help of ronny's patches conftest.py has been ported to pytest-2
399 2011-05-11T18:08:54 *** Marchael
400 2011-05-11T18:12:14 <pkumar> https://bitbucket.org/pkumar/moin-2.0
401 2011-05-11T18:12:30 <pkumar> though I'll create another repo with better work flow
402 2011-05-11T18:12:44 <pkumar> for the project
403 2011-05-11T18:13:48 <pkumar> xorAxAx: ^
404 2011-05-11T18:14:47 <xorAxAx> ok
405 2011-05-11T18:14:53 <pkumar> This repo is a little messy
406 2011-05-11T18:17:18 *** pkumar
407 2011-05-11T18:30:17 *** pkumar
408 2011-05-11T18:31:48 <dreimark> re
409 2011-05-11T18:47:31 *** pkumar
410 2011-05-11T18:51:33 *** grzywacz
411 2011-05-11T18:51:33 *** grzywacz
412 2011-05-11T18:53:38 *** ronny
413 2011-05-11T19:00:08 *** sinha
414 2011-05-11T19:00:23 <sinha> dreimark: hello !
415 2011-05-11T19:05:57 *** hardy_89
416 2011-05-11T19:10:03 *** RogerHaase
417 2011-05-11T19:19:16 *** sinha
418 2011-05-11T19:27:00 <RogerHaase> ThomasWaldmann: Did you receive the email re. http://codereview.appspot.com/4526043/? I think this is the fix for the last problem I hit on the interwiki patch (4432084).
419 2011-05-11T19:27:20 <ThomasWaldmann> hi roger
420 2011-05-11T19:28:18 <ThomasWaldmann> yes. i'll comment now.
421 2011-05-11T19:28:46 <ThomasWaldmann> why is it span now?
422 2011-05-11T19:29:33 <RogerHaase> It is currently div, the patch changes it to span.
423 2011-05-11T19:29:56 <ThomasWaldmann> yes, that's what i meant ("now" == in your patch)
424 2011-05-11T19:31:22 <ThomasWaldmann> ah, ok, i see it :)
425 2011-05-11T19:32:39 <RogerHaase> It is faily common to insert small images inside a paragraph in Moin 1.9. Doin so in 2.0 causes HTML errors because inserting DIVs inside of Ps is invalid. See: http://test.moinmo.in/mylogo
426 2011-05-11T19:33:05 <ThomasWaldmann> yeah, i see that now
427 2011-05-11T19:33:32 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, so assuming we change to span (which obviously fixes some issues), do we create new issues by that?
428 2011-05-11T19:34:32 <ThomasWaldmann> and how is this whole thing related to the 3 icons?
429 2011-05-11T19:38:12 <RogerHaase> No other issues that I know of... The 3 icons come about as a result of the error, FF and Chrome render the invalid DIVs with the interwiki, http, etc icons inserted by CSS. The icons get inserted 3 times instead of once.
430 2011-05-11T19:39:45 *** greg_f
431 2011-05-11T19:40:08 <RogerHaase> That only happens with the 4432084 patch applied.
432 2011-05-11T19:40:48 <RogerHaase> Tht/The 3 icons
433 2011-05-11T19:41:02 <RogerHaase> That/The 3 icons
434 2011-05-11T19:46:24 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, so the span fix sounds fine to me. that "left-upper corner" thing still works with that?
435 2011-05-11T19:46:40 <ThomasWaldmann> that links to the transcluded item view?
436 2011-05-11T19:49:09 <RogerHaase> not sure what you mean?? The logo in the upper left corner?
437 2011-05-11T19:52:17 <ThomasWaldmann> if you transclude an image, clicking on the image does nothing
438 2011-05-11T19:52:43 <ThomasWaldmann> but, there is a small arrow shown at top left corner of the image if you move your mouse there, that links to transcluded item view
439 2011-05-11T19:52:59 <ThomasWaldmann> iirc that is the whole point of that "overlay"
440 2011-05-11T19:54:40 <RogerHaase> Ah, I will retest and get back to you. I have a busy day with lots of interruptions.
441 2011-05-11T19:54:45 <RogerHaase> bbl
442 2011-05-11T19:55:18 *** hardy_89
443 2011-05-11T19:55:33 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, thanks and cu :)
444 2011-05-11T19:55:44 <RogerHaase> (I don't have a repo with both patches applied, have to make one)
445 2011-05-11T20:01:18 * ThomasWaldmann needs to go also, bbl
446 2011-05-11T20:10:31 *** sinha
447 2011-05-11T20:11:10 *** ronny
448 2011-05-11T20:21:59 *** Marchael
449 2011-05-11T20:26:12 *** ronny
450 2011-05-11T20:28:37 *** ronny
451 2011-05-11T20:37:46 *** sinha
452 2011-05-11T20:48:53 <ronny> re
453 2011-05-11T21:04:22 *** sinha
454 2011-05-11T21:10:45 <sinha> re
455 2011-05-11T21:15:53 <sinha> ThomasWaldmann: dreimark : ran into some internet problems lately, got fixed them now
456 2011-05-11T21:16:21 *** sinha1
457 2011-05-11T21:16:28 *** CIA-25
458 2011-05-11T21:17:18 *** sinha1
459 2011-05-11T21:17:30 *** sinha1
460 2011-05-11T21:18:31 *** sinha1
461 2011-05-11T21:20:46 *** sinha
462 2011-05-11T21:45:59 *** sinha
463 2011-05-11T21:48:18 *** RogerHaase
464 2011-05-11T22:35:44 *** sinha
465 2011-05-11T22:45:04 *** sinha
466 2011-05-11T23:02:53 <sinha> ThomasWaldmann: where are the functions implemented, which are being called in frontend views
467 2011-05-11T23:03:38 <sinha> For ex. in file view.py under global_history function " history = flaskg.storage.history(item_name='') " , this function is called. So where is it implemented ?
468 2011-05-11T23:03:56 <sinha> s/view.py/views.py
469 2011-05-11T23:18:04 *** sinha
470 2011-05-11T23:34:58 <ThomasWaldmann> re
471 2011-05-11T23:35:26 <ThomasWaldmann> in case sinha reads the logs: in MoinMoin.storage
472 2011-05-11T23:48:23 *** RogerHaase
473 2011-05-11T23:52:29 *** m4k3r
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