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   3 2011-10-23T01:00:17  <ThomasWaldmann> moin
   4 2011-10-23T01:01:02  <ThomasWaldmann> greetings from mentor summit
   5 2011-10-23T01:01:20  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: i have a shirt and a notebook for you :)
   6 2011-10-23T01:40:58  <gemile> What are or where can I see the most important changes in MoinMoin2.0 (from 1.9.x) and in how long is a usable version expected to be available?
   7 2011-10-23T01:42:47  <gemile> If "usable" sounds offending, it's only because I know nothing about it, so I had to assume it from the fact that nothing is mentioned about it in the channel topics. :)
   8 2011-10-23T01:44:42  <xorAxAx> well, its not yet in production quality state
   9 2011-10-23T01:44:50  <xorAxAx> so asking for a usable version is ok
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  22 2011-10-23T10:11:30  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: great
  23 2011-10-23T10:12:25  <gemile> Could you answer my question above?
  24 2011-10-23T10:12:43  <dreimark> gemile: moin-2 is in developing process, you find all differences on http://moinmo.in/MoinMoin2.0
  25 2011-10-23T10:13:08  <gemile> Thank you.
  26 2011-10-23T10:13:46  <dreimark> it is a refactoring by rewrite. if you want to have a look at a some week old state you can go to the minefield at http://test.moinmo.in/Home
  27 2011-10-23T10:14:46  <dreimark> we currently implement at first wiki basics
  28 2011-10-23T10:14:47  <gemile> What does "refactoring" mean in this context? Redesign?
  29 2011-10-23T10:15:40  <dreimark> yes
  30 2011-10-23T10:16:23  <dreimark> moin-1 is 11 years old and growth over that perios.
  31 2011-10-23T10:17:04  <dreimark> gemile: do you understand german? because i had a talk at the pyconde about it
  32 2011-10-23T10:17:42  <gemile> I could try over machine translation.
  33 2011-10-23T10:18:43  <gemile> What, does my nickname, by any chance, look a bit German? :)
  34 2011-10-23T10:19:13  <dreimark> gemile: i guessed nothing, i asked
  35 2011-10-23T10:19:41  <gemile> Me too (just curious).
  36 2011-10-23T10:19:48  <dreimark> EuroPython 2010 talk by thomas
  37 2011-10-23T10:19:54  <dreimark> http://moinmo.in/MoinMoinTalks/EuroPython-2010-07-21
  38 2011-10-23T10:20:31  <dreimark> mine from pyconde http://static.moinmo.in/files/presentation/PyConDE-2011_moin-2-refactoring/build/html/
  39 2011-10-23T10:21:01  <dreimark> gemile: we can be faster if we have more developers
  40 2011-10-23T10:21:35  <dreimark> or helpers. currently we prepare for http://moinmo.in/GCI2011
  41 2011-10-23T10:22:03  <dreimark> what is your native language?
  42 2011-10-23T10:22:16  <gemile> Romanian. :)
  43 2011-10-23T10:23:43  <dreimark> do you like to help with romanian translations of i18n for moin-2. We will only accept translations to langs if someone is willing to check scholar students results
  44 2011-10-23T10:24:21  <dreimark> because last year some students used machine translation and the result was really bad
  45 2011-10-23T10:24:37  <gemile> How is that check made?
  46 2011-10-23T10:24:57  <gemile> done*
  47 2011-10-23T10:25:29  <dreimark> example http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/2.0/file/de23e50d1801/MoinMoin/translations/de/LC_MESSAGES/messages.po
  48 2011-10-23T10:25:58  <dreimark> you have a msgid in engl. and a msgstr in romanian to compare
  49 2011-10-23T10:26:40  <dreimark> it may be that we make more than one task of that translation per lang
  50 2011-10-23T10:27:49  <dreimark> so that a student can get more points if he makes good or we can find out early that someone fools us
  51 2011-10-23T10:28:51  <gemile> The last link only shows English and German.
  52 2011-10-23T10:29:10  <dreimark> yes, because we don't have romanian yet
  53 2011-10-23T10:29:13  <gemile> You didn't mean to show me the machine-translated version, right?
  54 2011-10-23T10:29:19  <dreimark> yes
  55 2011-10-23T10:30:20  <dreimark> the msgstr will be empty at beginningn and after a student e.g. has 200 strings translated you will have to check if it makes sense
  56 2011-10-23T10:31:42  <dreimark> later if the translation is completed you can login to a moin-2 wiki and set transation to romanian and all msgs or translatable strings are shown in romanian
  57 2011-10-23T10:33:52  <gemile> Assuming I get some time to work on a translation, would just replacing the German version with Romanian (and submitting it as translations/ro/LC_MESSAGES/messages.po) be enough?
  58 2011-10-23T10:37:41  <dreimark> gemile: yes. helping with that at the time students do this is also welcome. We had last year participated in this contest and we had in total 75 tasks in all categories done by students
  59 2011-10-23T10:38:27  <dreimark> it also can happen that not all strings become translated by students
  60 2011-10-23T10:38:38  <dreimark> so it maybe half complete or so
  61 2011-10-23T10:39:31  <dreimark> we don't know yet if we will be accepted again, that will be announced on 9th Nov.
  62 2011-10-23T10:39:45  <gemile> What are the criteria?
  63 2011-10-23T10:42:30  <dreimark> only google can answer that. But one of the criteria is that we have to define in each category for the proposal 5 tasks. And http://moinmo.in/EasyToDo#Translation is one of these
  64 2011-10-23T10:43:03  <dreimark> for us it makes more sense to have translations for 2.0 instead of old moin
  65 2011-10-23T10:45:08  <gemile> Is it also database-based?
  66 2011-10-23T10:47:01  <dreimark> gemile: moin-2 yes, you can have different kind of stores. this is because of the new concept
  67 2011-10-23T10:48:12  <gemile> Will it be difficult to migrate my wiki to MoinMoin2.0?
  68 2011-10-23T10:49:14  <dreimark> we have a migration tool to migrate from 1.9 to moin-2
  69 2011-10-23T10:49:23  <gemile> I notice that you're calling it "moin-2". Will it be renamed from "MoinMoin" to "Moin"?
  70 2011-10-23T10:49:34  <dreimark> no
  71 2011-10-23T10:49:44  <dreimark> we also talk about moin-1
  72 2011-10-23T10:49:56  <dreimark> it is just the short version name
  73 2011-10-23T10:57:44  <dreimark> bbl
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  77 2011-10-23T16:37:44  <ThomasWaldmann> moin
  78 2011-10-23T17:02:59  <ThomasWaldmann> "Please provide a link to your task ideas page. This is much like the ideas page for Google Summer of Code but must include at least 5 tasks in all of the 8 categories sorted by difficulty level.*"
  79 2011-10-23T17:04:25  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: waldi: eSyr: can you work on http://moinmo.in/EasyToDo so it fullfils these criteria?
  80 2011-10-23T17:05:55  <eSyr> ok.
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  82 2011-10-23T17:15:27  <ThomasWaldmann> hi eSyr! and thanks for helping!
  83 2011-10-23T17:16:04  * ThomasWaldmann must leave again, I am at mentor summit currently.
  84 2011-10-23T17:17:46  <eSyr> ThomasWaldmann: hi! well, nothing to thanks for yet.
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  89 2011-10-23T19:52:52  <ThomasWaldmann> moin
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  93 2011-10-23T20:40:37  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: yes
  94 2011-10-23T20:42:22  * dreimark adds first some task ideas 
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  96 2011-10-23T23:13:56  <dreimark> eSyr: which langs could you review for translation tasks?
  97 2011-10-23T23:15:12  <eSyr> dreimark: russian and english, i think.
  98 2011-10-23T23:17:07  <dreimark> ok, i add a i18n translation in nx200 strings for ru
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