1 2011-11-30T00:03:19 *** raignarok
2 2011-11-30T00:32:54 *** qxcv
3 2011-11-30T06:32:52 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/view/google/gci2011/7164202
4 2011-11-30T06:33:06 <dreimark> i missed that one yesterday and melange reopens it
5 2011-11-30T07:51:36 *** raignarok
6 2011-11-30T07:58:13 *** raignarok
7 2011-11-30T07:58:23 *** raignarok
8 2011-11-30T08:00:12 *** raignarok
9 2011-11-30T08:00:23 *** raignarok
10 2011-11-30T08:05:11 *** raignarok
11 2011-11-30T08:33:02 *** raignarok
12 2011-11-30T09:07:56 *** raignarok
13 2011-11-30T10:20:42 *** greg_f
14 2011-11-30T11:35:22 *** sungji
15 2011-11-30T12:37:40 *** jek
16 2011-11-30T12:38:25 *** jek
17 2011-11-30T12:52:53 <ThomasWaldmann> moin
18 2011-11-30T13:00:24 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: he reapplied for it and i assigned it
19 2011-11-30T13:18:40 <izibi> wohoo, finally i have time again for some gci tasks. school sucks :D
20 2011-11-30T13:21:15 <ThomasWaldmann> :)
21 2011-11-30T13:29:39 *** qxcv
22 2011-11-30T13:42:53 <ThomasWaldmann> i am thinking about whether we should update the "bundled" werkzeug in moin 1.9.4.
23 2011-11-30T13:43:44 <ThomasWaldmann> currently, it seems we use 0.5.1. debian squeeze has 0.6.2. current is 0.8.1.
24 2011-11-30T13:45:27 <ThomasWaldmann> also there is the question whether we need to stay compatible with older versions of werkzeug than the one we bundle.
25 2011-11-30T13:45:37 *** dave_largo
26 2011-11-30T13:47:02 <ThomasWaldmann> debian wheezy has 0.8.1 btw.
27 2011-11-30T14:35:04 * ThomasWaldmann wrote a mail to jonas (debian moin maintainer) about that
28 2011-11-30T14:44:58 *** pkumar
29 2011-11-30T14:45:13 <pkumar> moin
30 2011-11-30T15:09:59 <dreimark> moin
31 2011-11-30T15:10:28 <dreimark> i have some pending patches for 1.9.4, have a look soon
32 2011-11-30T15:43:33 *** raignarok
33 2011-11-30T15:58:49 *** raignarok
34 2011-11-30T16:11:29 *** dave_largo
35 2011-11-30T16:22:31 *** raignarok
36 2011-11-30T16:27:51 *** dave_largo
37 2011-11-30T16:54:07 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, just got some advice from jonas. he thinks that 1.9.4 won't go into squeeze, just security fixes to 1.9.3.
38 2011-11-30T16:54:37 <ThomasWaldmann> if other linux dists are handling it similarly, we don't need to consider stable releases of them.
39 2011-11-30T16:54:59 <ThomasWaldmann> thus, he adviced we just take the latest werkzeug release for 1.9.4.
40 2011-11-30T16:55:19 <ThomasWaldmann> which is 0.8.1 (and which is also already in wheezy)
41 2011-11-30T17:00:02 *** raignarok
42 2011-11-30T18:02:33 *** sungji
43 2011-11-30T18:11:46 *** NikitaUtiu
44 2011-11-30T18:20:06 *** joancreus
45 2011-11-30T18:20:38 <joancreus> by acessibility, do you refer to http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG10/ ?
46 2011-11-30T18:21:07 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: ^
47 2011-11-30T18:21:34 <dreimark> can you give me the melange url?
48 2011-11-30T18:22:00 <joancreus> dreimark: there are many: easy, hard, medium
49 2011-11-30T18:22:03 <joancreus> wait
50 2011-11-30T18:22:14 <joancreus> for example www.google-melange.com/gci/task/view/google/gci2011/7141267
51 2011-11-30T18:22:29 <joancreus> or http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/view/google/gci2011/7120299
52 2011-11-30T18:23:28 <dreimark> TheSheep: can you have a look
53 2011-11-30T18:23:39 <dreimark> joancreus: TheSheep coordinates the theming tasks
54 2011-11-30T18:24:00 <dreimark> joancreus: i guess you don't speak german
55 2011-11-30T18:24:33 <joancreus> ein bisschen
56 2011-11-30T18:24:58 <joancreus> but i am catalan. i'm learning it, but still a low level
57 2011-11-30T18:25:03 <dreimark> this is as you mentioned http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG10/ ok.
58 2011-11-30T18:25:22 <joancreus> but no luck building it. i cannot see errors...
59 2011-11-30T18:25:22 <dreimark> I am asking because there was a thesis in stuttgart some time ago
60 2011-11-30T18:25:28 <dreimark> bug unfort. in german
61 2011-11-30T18:25:41 <joancreus> many warning:s
62 2011-11-30T18:25:41 <dreimark> do you see (env)
63 2011-11-30T18:25:58 <dreimark> http://moin-20.readthedocs.org/en/latest/admin/install.html
64 2011-11-30T18:26:00 <TheSheep> dreimark: to be honest I didn't yet manage to get myself updated with everything that happened with moin2 over the year
65 2011-11-30T18:26:03 <dreimark> have you read that
66 2011-11-30T18:26:15 <TheSheep> dreimark: so "coordinates" is a little strong of a word
67 2011-11-30T18:26:17 <joancreus> hmm permission denied with directory build
68 2011-11-30T18:26:18 <dreimark> TheSheep: joancreus is interested on a useability task
69 2011-11-30T18:26:20 <joancreus> running with sudo
70 2011-11-30T18:26:24 <dreimark> no sudo
71 2011-11-30T18:26:34 <dreimark> you run quickinstall as user
72 2011-11-30T18:27:13 <joancreus> no errors... but no wikiserver.py
73 2011-11-30T18:30:19 <joancreus> running "moin" gives pkg_resources.DistributionNotFound: XStatic-multiDownload>=20110717.1
74 2011-11-30T18:30:48 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: as the task says, it is not required to look at the german thesis
75 2011-11-30T18:37:29 <joancreus> ok TheSheep now ready :)
76 2011-11-30T18:38:16 <izibi> is this ok? (email verification on email address change) http://paste.pocoo.org/show/514999/
77 2011-11-30T18:38:20 <dreimark> i know, just wanted to know if that thesis is usefull (which is not if its the wrong lang)
78 2011-11-30T18:45:05 <joancreus> for find a bug, fix a bug, using the bug tracker ones is valid?
79 2011-11-30T18:46:30 <dreimark> yes
80 2011-11-30T18:46:46 <dreimark> sorry i have to go, bb later
81 2011-11-30T18:47:09 *** greg_f
82 2011-11-30T18:51:10 <NikitaUtiu> moin!
83 2011-11-30T18:51:26 <NikitaUtiu> what port does the test wiki run on?
84 2011-11-30T18:51:47 <joancreus> NikitaUtiu: maybe 8080 (at least for me)
85 2011-11-30T18:54:11 *** raignarok
86 2011-11-30T18:54:12 <NikitaUtiu> for me it's 8080 apparently, strange...
87 2011-11-30T18:57:09 <joancreus> TheSheep: are you here? thanks
88 2011-11-30T19:01:43 <TheSheep> joancreus: yes, I'm here
89 2011-11-30T19:01:54 <TheSheep> joancreus: sorry for the delay
90 2011-11-30T19:02:17 <joancreus> TheSheep: i'd like to work on something related to code/accessibility. i know python, html+css+javascript among others
91 2011-11-30T19:02:37 <joancreus> regarding web accessibility, http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG10/, or something specific you have in mind?
92 2011-11-30T19:04:41 <TheSheep> joancreus: as I said, I'm not yet sure where moin2 is standing now, I suppose the first task would be to install it and identify the worst problems -- for example, try it with images disabled, with js disabled, with right-to-left text, etc.
93 2011-11-30T19:05:44 <TheSheep> joancreus: I will be looking at it now too and maybe I will have some more detailed tasks in a while
94 2011-11-30T19:08:35 *** NikitaUtiu
95 2011-11-30T19:08:42 *** brunomartin
96 2011-11-30T19:09:01 <TheSheep> joancreus: also, using moinmoin with only keyboard should be possible
97 2011-11-30T19:09:15 <joancreus> TheSheep: vim-mode :D
98 2011-11-30T19:09:32 <joancreus> i suppose like mediawiki: Alt+Control+sth
99 2011-11-30T19:10:29 *** NikitaUtiu
100 2011-11-30T19:12:32 *** NikitaUtiu
101 2011-11-30T19:19:18 *** NikitaUtiu
102 2011-11-30T19:20:25 *** raignarok
103 2011-11-30T19:23:02 <ThomasWaldmann> NikitaUtiu: what is strange about the port?
104 2011-11-30T19:23:18 <ThomasWaldmann> iirc it even tells the address it runs on in the log output
105 2011-11-30T19:23:20 <NikitaUtiu> well, i thought it should have been 8000 :D
106 2011-11-30T19:23:26 <NikitaUtiu> yes, i saw it
107 2011-11-30T19:23:45 <NikitaUtiu> also, i can't figure how that review site you sent me works
108 2011-11-30T19:23:46 <ThomasWaldmann> did some documentation say 8000?
109 2011-11-30T19:24:24 <NikitaUtiu> no, not actually, joancreus, said his is on 8000
110 2011-11-30T19:24:43 <ThomasWaldmann> codereview.appspot.com?
111 2011-11-30T19:24:49 <ThomasWaldmann> no, he said 8080
112 2011-11-30T19:24:56 <ThomasWaldmann> (18:50) < joancreus> NikitaUtiu: maybe 8080 (at least for me)
113 2011-11-30T19:25:14 <TheSheep> joancreus: I was more thinking about tabbing through the forms and links
114 2011-11-30T19:25:26 <NikitaUtiu> oh, misread it :D sorry
115 2011-11-30T19:25:30 <TheSheep> joancreus: but shortcuts would be nice too, of course
116 2011-11-30T19:26:46 <ThomasWaldmann> joancreus: you do not need root rights to install moin as it is documented. in the contrary, you can run into issues even if you do so.
117 2011-11-30T19:26:54 <NikitaUtiu> also, i got the invalidating working, should i push the commit to my repo?
118 2011-11-30T19:29:55 <ThomasWaldmann> NikitaUtiu: if you already committed it, you can also publish it. if you want review before committing, use codereview (it is rather easy if you use their upload.py).
119 2011-11-30T19:32:23 <ThomasWaldmann> izibi: is the pastebin ...999 still current?
120 2011-11-30T19:32:39 <ThomasWaldmann> (and why don't you use codereview? :)
121 2011-11-30T19:34:13 <izibi> ThomasWaldmann: codereview? :P
122 2011-11-30T19:34:20 <ThomasWaldmann> (19:23) < ThomasWal> codereview.appspot.com?
123 2011-11-30T19:34:52 <NikitaUtiu> ThomasWaldmann, where can i get the script from i can't find on their site?
124 2011-11-30T19:35:20 <ThomasWaldmann> NikitaUtiu: you just try submitting something there, it'll give the script to you then
125 2011-11-30T19:35:46 <ThomasWaldmann> izibi: if mail server has issues, user is fscked :)
126 2011-11-30T19:36:35 <ThomasWaldmann> you maybe rather want to restore old email in that case and reenable the account
127 2011-11-30T19:39:39 <izibi> wtf? why do you call a script upload.py? a more generic name wasn't possible? :D
128 2011-11-30T19:40:01 <ThomasWaldmann> hehe
129 2011-11-30T19:40:17 <ThomasWaldmann> you don't need to "install" it, one usually has it just in the workdir
130 2011-11-30T19:41:08 <ThomasWaldmann> but yes, rietveld.py or codereview.py would be more adequate
131 2011-11-30T19:41:36 <izibi> actually it's already installed from a package
132 2011-11-30T19:41:38 <izibi> interesting
133 2011-11-30T19:44:29 <NikitaUtiu> ThomasWaldmann, found it :D
134 2011-11-30T19:44:31 <izibi> http://codereview.appspot.com/5448061 better? :P
135 2011-11-30T19:46:20 <izibi> who is rsc? oO
136 2011-11-30T19:47:41 <izibi> FAIL m(
137 2011-11-30T19:48:13 <izibi> notice to package maintainers: don't add a script called "codereview" to your package that automatically adds you as a reviewer
138 2011-11-30T19:56:45 * dreimark is back with umts
139 2011-11-30T19:58:02 <dreimark> izibi: tell guido
140 2011-11-30T20:00:18 <izibi> dreimark: guido?
141 2011-11-30T20:06:05 <izibi> ThomasWaldmann: updated it accordingly
142 2011-11-30T20:09:47 *** raignarok
143 2011-11-30T20:13:48 <ThomasWaldmann> izibi: i am looking at it right now
144 2011-11-30T20:14:56 <dreimark> izibi: Guido van Rossum
145 2011-11-30T20:15:20 <dreimark> 19:38 < izibi> wtf? why do you call a script upload.py?
146 2011-11-30T20:17:25 <izibi> oh, codereview is made by god himself? :D
147 2011-11-30T20:17:35 <dreimark> yeah
148 2011-11-30T20:20:04 <ThomasWaldmann> izibi: done :)
149 2011-11-30T20:21:55 * dreimark too
150 2011-11-30T20:22:03 <dreimark> htg bbl
151 2011-11-30T20:23:11 * ThomasWaldmann also needs to leave, bbl
152 2011-11-30T20:30:26 <NikitaUtiu> http://codereview.appspot.com/5448062 this is the issue
153 2011-11-30T20:31:17 *** dave_largo
154 2011-11-30T20:39:30 <ThomasWaldmann> NikitaUtiu: why didn't you use a random?
155 2011-11-30T20:39:56 <ThomasWaldmann> anyway, need to go, brbr
156 2011-11-30T20:41:41 <NikitaUtiu> ThomasWaldmann, because there is a chance that for two consecutive password changes the session not to change
157 2011-11-30T21:33:06 *** raignarok
158 2011-11-30T21:36:40 *** raignarok
159 2011-11-30T21:36:45 <ThomasWaldmann> e
160 2011-11-30T21:36:48 <ThomasWaldmann> re
161 2011-11-30T21:37:59 <izibi> wb
162 2011-11-30T21:39:35 <ThomasWaldmann> NikitaUtiu: please elaborate
163 2011-11-30T21:42:11 <TheSheep> joancreus: I found one good place that could use some of your attention
164 2011-11-30T21:42:31 <TheSheep> joancreus: please look at the page editor and try to edit a page without using your mouse
165 2011-11-30T21:43:22 <joancreus> ok. TheSheep i'll look into it tomorrow (Adding it to diary), now i got sth else (will take short). thanks a lot! (Btw: the current task *is* about shortcuts) :D
166 2011-11-30T21:43:28 <joancreus> so, i'll have it half-ready
167 2011-11-30T21:48:18 <TheSheep> cool
168 2011-11-30T21:49:08 <izibi> btw uploaded a new version: http://codereview.appspot.com/5448061/
169 2011-11-30T21:50:53 <NikitaUtiu> ThomasWaldmann, well, if let's say the sessin_id is 1 then it changes twice it might become 1 again
170 2011-11-30T21:56:32 <ThomasWaldmann> sorry, i can't follow
171 2011-11-30T21:56:59 <ThomasWaldmann> NikitaUtiu: ^^
172 2011-11-30T21:57:21 <NikitaUtiu> well there is a cange that after multiple randoms the value won't change
173 2011-11-30T21:57:26 <NikitaUtiu> chance
174 2011-11-30T22:05:27 <ThomasWaldmann> you don't need multiple for that
175 2011-11-30T22:05:41 <ThomasWaldmann> but if the random value is rather long, that is highly improbable
176 2011-11-30T22:06:50 <NikitaUtiu> i guess you're right, is it more secure from modifying this way?
177 2011-11-30T22:08:42 <NikitaUtiu> i have to go, i'll be back tomorrow
178 2011-11-30T22:08:53 <NikitaUtiu> 'night
179 2011-11-30T22:08:57 *** NikitaUtiu
180 2011-11-30T22:25:31 <izibi> that has about the same probability as randomly getting the same session id as another user. does anyone consider this? :D
181 2011-11-30T22:29:49 <izibi> http://codereview.appspot.com/5448061/ no more comments? so i guess it's perfect? :P
182 2011-11-30T22:33:13 *** joancreus
183 2011-11-30T23:21:21 *** raignarok
184 2011-11-30T23:46:36 <ThomasWaldmann> re
185 2011-11-30T23:51:17 <ThomasWaldmann> izibi: added a final comment. did you test it?
186 2011-11-30T23:58:35 <izibi> ThomasWaldmann: the first version worked but i have to test it once again with all the changes in
187 2011-11-30T23:59:16 <izibi> i could also just call the login view. this should also work but i guess that's not really a good way to do it
