1 2011-12-04T00:01:04 <izibi> ThomasWaldmann: works for me: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/92247/2011-12-03-235715_600x165_scrot.png
2 2011-12-04T00:02:08 <izibi> ThomasWaldmann: zebra would look like this: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/92247/2011-12-03-235823_602x162_scrot.png
3 2011-12-04T00:02:33 <ThomasWaldmann> zebra users please
4 2011-12-04T00:02:52 <izibi> ok, anything else?
5 2011-12-04T00:03:43 <ThomasWaldmann> did you check all table css, table html?
6 2011-12-04T00:03:59 <izibi> what do you mean by checkß?
7 2011-12-04T00:04:38 <ThomasWaldmann> well, the task was to make tables more pretty and more looking the same way
8 2011-12-04T00:05:03 <ThomasWaldmann> so you have to look out for table html and css to know whether you are through with it
9 2011-12-04T00:06:41 <ThomasWaldmann> and after you're finished with the task, close the bug :)
10 2011-12-04T00:06:55 <ThomasWaldmann> referring to first changeset
11 2011-12-04T00:07:40 * ThomasWaldmann checks the mem issue meanwhile
12 2011-12-04T00:08:48 <izibi> http://test.moinmo.in/+modify/DoesNotExist <-- this table is not changed but it doesn't even display tabular data so i guess there is no need to change it?
13 2011-12-04T00:09:50 <ThomasWaldmann> you could try if it looks better
14 2011-12-04T00:12:32 <izibi> then there's one table left: render_file_uploader macro. where is this displayed?
15 2011-12-04T00:15:14 <ThomasWaldmann> try dropping multiple files onto index view
16 2011-12-04T00:16:35 <izibi> doesn't work in firefox... :D i hate these browsers
17 2011-12-04T00:17:25 <izibi> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/92247/2011-12-04-001330_804x285_scrot.png
18 2011-12-04T00:18:36 <ThomasWaldmann> what "does not work"?
19 2011-12-04T00:19:38 <izibi> dropping files there
20 2011-12-04T00:19:47 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, your screenshot filenames look suspect :)
21 2011-12-04T00:19:57 <izibi> why?
22 2011-12-04T00:20:01 <ThomasWaldmann> did you click on "start all"
23 2011-12-04T00:20:12 <izibi> nope
24 2011-12-04T00:20:18 <ThomasWaldmann> because of "scrot" :)
25 2011-12-04T00:20:49 <izibi> that might be because i use scrot to take them ;)
26 2011-12-04T00:20:59 <ThomasWaldmann> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=scrot
27 2011-12-04T00:22:02 <izibi> don't blame me: http://www.archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/scrot/
28 2011-12-04T00:23:30 <izibi> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/92247/2011-12-04-001552_620x394_scrot.png does this look better?
29 2011-12-04T00:24:27 <ThomasWaldmann> don't think so. can you try same style as other tables?
30 2011-12-04T00:26:44 <izibi> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/92247/2011-12-04-002247_629x400_scrot.png looks almost like before. parts of the style seem to be overridden
31 2011-12-04T00:29:29 <ThomasWaldmann> well, have a look :)
32 2011-12-04T00:31:40 <izibi> <td class="green">{{ gname }}</td> this is not semantically correct :P
33 2011-12-04T00:32:51 <izibi> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/92247/2011-12-04-002858_626x401_scrot.png this is how it looks like using the normal <th> style
34 2011-12-04T00:33:25 <ThomasWaldmann> i take the blue one :)
35 2011-12-04T00:33:55 <izibi> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/92247/2011-12-04-003008_615x390_scrot.png and this with the zebra style (basically without the borders)
36 2011-12-04T00:34:49 <ThomasWaldmann> not sure, take what you think is better
37 2011-12-04T00:38:15 <izibi> as most tables are without borders now, i'd prefer the second one
38 2011-12-04T00:40:31 <ThomasWaldmann> ok
39 2011-12-04T00:41:40 <izibi> http://codereview.appspot.com/5437127/ final review? ;)
40 2011-12-04T00:43:04 <izibi> only minor changes to the last one
41 2011-12-04T00:44:26 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, commit/push
42 2011-12-04T00:45:17 <ThomasWaldmann> izibi: btw, are you at 28c3?
43 2011-12-04T00:46:36 <izibi> done
44 2011-12-04T00:47:12 <izibi> nope, i guess not :/
45 2011-12-04T00:48:54 <izibi> i guess the tickets are sold out anyways
46 2011-12-04T00:49:17 <ThomasWaldmann> likely, yes
47 2011-12-04T00:50:17 <ThomasWaldmann> usually a matter of minutes at the presale days
48 2011-12-04T00:51:52 <dreimark> re
49 2011-12-04T00:52:03 <izibi> closed issue and submitted to melange
50 2011-12-04T00:53:43 <izibi> "Wiki macro error: Changeset f2d8c602dbb6 not found." <-- that should go away after you pull the change :D
51 2011-12-04T00:56:57 <ThomasWaldmann> izibi: you missed the zip/tar tables?
52 2011-12-04T00:58:25 <ThomasWaldmann> archive_in converter
53 2011-12-04T01:00:24 <ThomasWaldmann> maybe there should be some thead there also
54 2011-12-04T01:01:08 <CIA-56> Julian Brost <julian.brost@googlemail.com> default * 1117:f2d8c602dbb6 2.0/MoinMoin/ (8 files in 3 dirs): Improved table style to be more consistent. Fixes #13.
55 2011-12-04T01:03:50 <izibi> ThomasWaldmann: well that didn't match <table :P
56 2011-12-04T01:04:26 <izibi> let's see
57 2011-12-04T01:10:13 <izibi> so this generates some kind of tree that then gets converted to html?
58 2011-12-04T01:15:09 <ThomasWaldmann> just upload a zip item and look at it
59 2011-12-04T01:15:58 <izibi> no i mean what does archive_in.py do
60 2011-12-04T01:16:03 <ThomasWaldmann> _table.py is the right file
61 2011-12-04T01:16:19 <ThomasWaldmann> it "converts" archive items to dom representation
62 2011-12-04T01:18:43 <izibi> and how do i create a table header?
63 2011-12-04T01:18:51 <izibi> how do i know what elements to use?
64 2011-12-04T01:19:19 *** qxcv
65 2011-12-04T01:20:19 <ThomasWaldmann> look at html_out
66 2011-12-04T01:29:51 *** jburns1
67 2011-12-04T01:31:25 <izibi> ThomasWaldmann: http://dpaste.com/665613/
68 2011-12-04T01:31:50 <izibi> hardcoding the class name is not best practice but i thing everything else would require large changes
69 2011-12-04T01:34:05 <izibi> *think
70 2011-12-04T01:35:46 <jburns1> it doesn't say needsReview because I didn't mark the task as complete (It isn't).
71 2011-12-04T01:39:31 <jburns1> it doesn't say needsReview because I didn't mark the task as complete (It isn't).
72 2011-12-04T01:39:48 <ThomasWaldmann> look quite good :)
73 2011-12-04T01:40:20 <jburns1> so should I go ahead and make the HTML links and wiki stuff?
74 2011-12-04T01:40:22 <ThomasWaldmann> do you know Richard Stallman? :)
75 2011-12-04T01:40:25 <jburns1> no
76 2011-12-04T01:41:27 <ThomasWaldmann> if he were here, he would say that "Open Source" is the wrong term and it is important to say "Free Software" :)
77 2011-12-04T01:42:19 <jburns1> oh haha - I've heard that one before :) so should I change it?
78 2011-12-04T01:42:43 <ThomasWaldmann> i am not sure whether we need that in the logo (both)
79 2011-12-04T01:42:47 <izibi> ans of course we all use GNU/Linux! ;)
80 2011-12-04T01:42:57 <ThomasWaldmann> yup :)
81 2011-12-04T01:43:24 <ThomasWaldmann> jburns1: attending one of his talks is recommended. you likely can also find them on youtube or so.
82 2011-12-04T01:43:24 <jburns1> ok then...
83 2011-12-04T01:43:51 <jburns1> so should I remove it?
84 2011-12-04T01:44:00 <ThomasWaldmann> also, "Use" - is the U uppercase because of style?
85 2011-12-04T01:44:43 <ThomasWaldmann> TheSheep: still awake?
86 2011-12-04T01:44:47 <jburns1> I don't know, I just did it
87 2011-12-04T01:45:02 <ThomasWaldmann> ^^ he's our man with taste and artistic skills :)
88 2011-12-04T01:47:02 <ThomasWaldmann> jburns1: Banner1 - the right margin is a bit less than at the left, right?
89 2011-12-04T01:47:28 <jburns1> oh oops
90 2011-12-04T01:47:53 <jburns1> fixed
91 2011-12-04T01:49:31 <jburns1> anything else?
92 2011-12-04T01:49:36 <ThomasWaldmann> anyone else who can look at the stuff?
93 2011-12-04T01:49:54 <ThomasWaldmann> 2n eyes see more than 4 :)
94 2011-12-04T01:50:23 <ThomasWaldmann> jburns1: is the svg viewer of ubuntu broken? text is hanging out at the right
95 2011-12-04T01:50:41 <jburns1> in Banner7?
96 2011-12-04T01:50:59 <ThomasWaldmann> in all of them
97 2011-12-04T01:51:59 <ThomasWaldmann> same for "By" btw
98 2011-12-04T01:52:13 <jburns1> oh no that's just how I did the alignment
99 2011-12-04T01:52:51 <jburns1> except for in Banner7, there's a glitch in mine also that makes the text go to the left actually
100 2011-12-04T01:53:03 <jburns1> it doesn't show up like that in illustrator though
101 2011-12-04T01:54:25 <jburns1> oh, I know why - it's because I spaced out the text differently and Illustrator doesn't save that correctly I guess
102 2011-12-04T01:54:27 * ThomasWaldmann install inkscape
103 2011-12-04T01:54:45 <ThomasWaldmann> you know inkscape?
104 2011-12-04T01:54:48 <jburns1> I have… but I like Illustrator more.
105 2011-12-04T01:54:51 <jburns1> no offense :)
106 2011-12-04T01:55:16 <jburns1> especially since I use a mac and it requires x11 and everything
107 2011-12-04T01:56:00 <jburns1> btw the direct download link for the banners I made is http://www.google-melange.com/gci/work/download/google/gci2011/7116303?id=22002
108 2011-12-04T01:56:05 <ThomasWaldmann> ah, ok
109 2011-12-04T01:56:40 <ThomasWaldmann> i was just wondering whether we can easily edit it with inkscape, in case we need to
110 2011-12-04T01:57:08 <jburns1> I tried to open it when you mentioned it and it has yet to appear.
111 2011-12-04T01:57:13 <jburns1> oh wait there it is
112 2011-12-04T01:57:17 <jburns1> :)
113 2011-12-04T01:57:55 *** raignarok
114 2011-12-04T01:58:13 <jburns1> ok now that inkscape is finally open, I can edit the files in it!
115 2011-12-04T01:58:56 <ThomasWaldmann> takes about 8s here to open such a banner with it
116 2011-12-04T01:59:08 <ThomasWaldmann> and load the program
117 2011-12-04T01:59:22 <ThomasWaldmann> but this machine isn't high cpu power
118 2011-12-04T01:59:32 <jburns1> another problem: it doesn't see my installed fonts
119 2011-12-04T01:59:34 <ThomasWaldmann> my mobile has more GHz :D
120 2011-12-04T01:59:39 <jburns1> only the defaults
121 2011-12-04T02:00:14 <ThomasWaldmann> but inkscape also shows text hanging out/overlapping strangely. is it because of missing font?
122 2011-12-04T02:00:21 <jburns1> same here
123 2011-12-04T02:00:25 <jburns1> yeah
124 2011-12-04T02:00:54 <jburns1> oh actually it doesn't detect it as text at all
125 2011-12-04T02:01:03 <jburns1> that's weird
126 2011-12-04T02:01:06 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, do you know a nice font under free license?
127 2011-12-04T02:01:35 <ThomasWaldmann> free as in freedom
128 2011-12-04T02:01:50 <jburns1> hmm I'll look
129 2011-12-04T02:02:35 <ThomasWaldmann> izibi: /me looks
130 2011-12-04T02:02:57 <jburns1> "You may use the licensed fonts to create images on any surface including but not limited to computer screens, paper, web pages, photographs, movie credits, printed material, T-shirts. You may use the licensed fonts to create EPS files or other scalable drawings." not good enough?
131 2011-12-04T02:04:07 <ThomasWaldmann> izibi: maybe css class also as function arg?
132 2011-12-04T02:04:49 <ThomasWaldmann> completely free distribution of the font would be better
133 2011-12-04T02:05:33 * ThomasWaldmann doesn't know if we ever need to modify the images, but I guess it should be possible without pain
134 2011-12-04T02:06:35 <ThomasWaldmann> izibi: the table head comes after the body when using that code?
135 2011-12-04T02:09:19 <jburns1> how about http://www.theleagueofmoveabletype.com/league-gothic
136 2011-12-04T02:13:00 <ThomasWaldmann> doesn't look to bad, but I have no clue about fonts
137 2011-12-04T02:13:11 <ThomasWaldmann> i just see when it is too broken :)
138 2011-12-04T02:13:11 <jburns1> I'll try it
139 2011-12-04T02:22:27 <jburns1> here's what it looks like with the new font (I stretched the font because it was too narrow)
140 2011-12-04T02:22:31 <jburns1> http://i41.tinypic.com/2cckvoo.jpg
141 2011-12-04T02:24:08 <jburns1> and http://i42.tinypic.com/33oleyu.png
142 2011-12-04T02:26:17 <izibi> ThomasWaldmann: oh right, it does :D
143 2011-12-04T02:26:52 <izibi> but it's a header, so the browser knows how to handle it :D
144 2011-12-04T02:27:02 <izibi> but let's change that
145 2011-12-04T02:30:10 <qxcv> ThomasWaldmann: moved the subitems bar to the bottom - http://ompldr.org/vYmtydg
146 2011-12-04T02:30:26 <izibi> btw [_("Size"), _("Date"), _("Name")] or (_("Size"), _("Date"), _("Name"))? list or tuple?
147 2011-12-04T02:30:55 <dreimark> qxcv: try a sidebar
148 2011-12-04T02:31:16 <ThomasWaldmann> izibi: list
149 2011-12-04T02:31:17 <dreimark> if one has also lots of quicklinks, that won't look good
150 2011-12-04T02:31:35 <dreimark> gn
151 2011-12-04T02:31:40 <qxcv> I've been trying to do the sidebar, and I just can't get it to work
152 2011-12-04T02:31:57 <qxcv> the content and the sidebar need to be the same height
153 2011-12-04T02:32:10 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: the quicklinks are at the top
154 2011-12-04T02:32:24 <qxcv> and sometimes the sidebar isn't there, so you can't just use a margin/float
155 2011-12-04T02:32:49 <ThomasWaldmann> but at the bottom it is still somehow too similar to the action bar
156 2011-12-04T02:32:58 <izibi> ThomasWaldmann: http://dpaste.com/665626/
157 2011-12-04T02:33:29 <jburns1> ThomasWaldmann: what do you think about the new font? http://i42.tinypic.com/33oleyu.png
158 2011-12-04T02:33:59 <ThomasWaldmann> izibi: looks ok, does it work, did you run all tests?
159 2011-12-04T02:34:28 <izibi> qxcv: what about some collapsible area?
160 2011-12-04T02:34:50 <ThomasWaldmann> jburns1: font looks ok for me, but there needs to be a litte more space between the lines
161 2011-12-04T02:35:06 <jburns1> sure
162 2011-12-04T02:35:21 <ThomasWaldmann> (esp. for the Open Source ... part, but we wanted to remove that anyway)
163 2011-12-04T02:35:43 <ThomasWaldmann> if we just write "Wiki" there, it feels a bit alone on that line, right?
164 2011-12-04T02:36:08 <jburns1> yeah, and if we omit that, then people won't know what MoinMoin is.
165 2011-12-04T02:36:18 <jburns1> hmm...
166 2011-12-04T02:36:26 <ThomasWaldmann> well, if it is a link that links to us, they can find out :)
167 2011-12-04T02:36:49 <jburns1> …if they click.
168 2011-12-04T02:37:03 <izibi> ThomasWaldmann: passes all-2 tests ;)
169 2011-12-04T02:38:18 <ThomasWaldmann> jburns1: maybe we should put something like "don't click here" :D
170 2011-12-04T02:38:44 <jburns1> haha
171 2011-12-04T02:39:38 <jburns1> how about "Free Wiki Engine"?
172 2011-12-04T02:39:45 <izibi> ThomasWaldmann: commit?
173 2011-12-04T02:39:58 <qxcv> ThomasWaldmann: what do you think of http://ompldr.org/vYmtzMA
174 2011-12-04T02:40:27 <ThomasWaldmann> jburns1: that would be correct, but not sure whether it is better with or without that
175 2011-12-04T02:40:38 <ThomasWaldmann> izibi: yes
176 2011-12-04T02:41:43 <ThomasWaldmann> qxcv: better, but still not pretty
177 2011-12-04T02:41:51 <ThomasWaldmann> what was the problem with the sidebar?
178 2011-12-04T02:42:08 <izibi> ThomasWaldmann: done
179 2011-12-04T02:42:16 <jburns1> I would keep it in, otherwise it seems unbalanced with 2 lines on one side and one on the other
180 2011-12-04T02:42:22 <qxcv> it's insanely difficult to do, and would probably require a lot of change to the html structure of the page
181 2011-12-04T02:42:38 <qxcv> it's called a "faux liquid column" layout
182 2011-12-04T02:42:40 <CIA-56> Julian Brost <julian.brost@googlemail.com> default * 1118:505ad860856a 2.0/MoinMoin/converter/ (_table.py archive_in.py): Added table header for archive content listing.
183 2011-12-04T02:43:40 <ThomasWaldmann> qxcv: hmm, really?
184 2011-12-04T02:44:17 <ThomasWaldmann> how about at least a bit different bg color
185 2011-12-04T02:44:37 <qxcv> sure, I'll play around with that
186 2011-12-04T02:45:40 <ThomasWaldmann> we'll likely also need sidebar for modify btw
187 2011-12-04T02:46:12 <ThomasWaldmann> if you have a big page, it would not be that comfortable to scroll down to find the subitems to click on
188 2011-12-04T02:46:53 <ThomasWaldmann> qxcv: if roger haase returns -> he has written a sidebar theme for moin1
189 2011-12-04T02:47:02 <qxcv> hmm, I'll look at other ways of doing the sidebar then
190 2011-12-04T02:47:05 <qxcv> ok
191 2011-12-04T02:47:16 <qxcv> I'll look for that moin1 theme too
192 2011-12-04T02:47:35 <ThomasWaldmann> fixedleft or so
193 2011-12-04T02:54:20 *** xorAxAx
194 2011-12-04T03:00:39 * ThomasWaldmann needs sleep, gn
195 2011-12-04T03:01:26 *** xorAxAx
196 2011-12-04T03:22:50 *** jburns1
197 2011-12-04T05:27:01 *** MattMaker
198 2011-12-04T07:39:14 *** pkumar
199 2011-12-04T09:07:53 *** pkumar
200 2011-12-04T09:08:12 *** pkumar
201 2011-12-04T09:24:50 *** Robin08
202 2011-12-04T09:26:02 <Robin08> hello
203 2011-12-04T09:28:16 <Robin08> I need help proceeding with my acessory designing task..
204 2011-12-04T09:28:42 *** MattMaker
205 2011-12-04T10:22:03 <dreimark> qxcv: http://www.webappers.com/2011/06/01/how-to-create-githubs-tree-slider-with-html5/
206 2011-12-04T10:23:25 <dreimark> https://github.com/blog/760-the-tree-slider
207 2011-12-04T10:23:43 <dreimark> Robin08: what exactly is the question?
208 2011-12-04T10:31:02 <dreimark> qxcv: me had not seen that you already have a sidebar solution, me tries it
209 2011-12-04T10:36:39 <Robin08> I am setting up an online store at printfection. I need to provide details like email, password, name, address, etc. What should I enter?
210 2011-12-04T10:37:08 <Robin08> Its a store for moin, so i guess i need the details for it.
211 2011-12-04T10:42:42 <dreimark> Robin08: why do you need that?
212 2011-12-04T10:42:52 <dreimark> can't you use the moin wiki itselfs?
213 2011-12-04T10:44:21 <Robin08> I am using printfection.com to design the accessory which will be available there.
214 2011-12-04T10:44:25 <dreimark> give me the link to your task
215 2011-12-04T10:45:46 <Robin08> http://google-melange.appspot.com/gci/task/view/google/gci2011/7125293
216 2011-12-04T10:46:08 <dreimark> Deliverabes: a wiki page with your ideas, ressources, links, infos.
217 2011-12-04T10:46:43 <dreimark> You can discuss this issue in the MoinMoin wiki: http://moinmo.in/EasyToDo/develop%20an%20accessory%20for%20moin%20fans
218 2011-12-04T10:46:48 <dreimark> Robin08: ^
219 2011-12-04T10:48:44 <Robin08> I thought I have to contact the suppliers..
220 2011-12-04T10:49:18 *** greg_f
221 2011-12-04T10:49:25 <Robin08> and then provide the link to the accessory along with details.
222 2011-12-04T10:50:36 <qxcv> dreimark: that jpeg issue is really strange
223 2011-12-04T10:51:04 <qxcv> I can't find a corresponding route that would cause moin *not* to use show.html (which I assume is the problem)
224 2011-12-04T10:58:15 <qxcv> dreimark: ah, dw - realised I was using an item without subitems :S
225 2011-12-04T11:02:11 * Robin08 is away: Away
226 2011-12-04T11:13:23 *** RobinKumar
227 2011-12-04T11:15:53 *** Robin08
228 2011-12-04T11:23:49 *** Robin08
229 2011-12-04T11:24:18 <dreimark> Robin08: ask ThomasWaldmann if it is neccessary to create accounts to get that info
230 2011-12-04T11:24:55 <dreimark> bbl
231 2011-12-04T11:25:42 *** RobinKumar
232 2011-12-04T11:28:02 * Robin08 is back (gone 00:04:12)
233 2011-12-04T11:31:36 *** Robin08
234 2011-12-04T11:35:18 *** raignarok
235 2011-12-04T11:46:25 <izibi> would make quickinstall script work on archlinux (or in general platforms that use py3k as default version) count as a find/fix bug task?
236 2011-12-04T12:31:48 <qxcv> dreimark: http://ompldr.org/vYmt4MA
237 2011-12-04T13:50:01 <ThomasWaldmann> moin
238 2011-12-04T13:53:05 <ThomasWaldmann> izibi: yes. should be easy, right?
239 2011-12-04T13:57:40 <izibi> ThomasWaldmann: moin
240 2011-12-04T13:57:52 <izibi> i'd say hard :P
241 2011-12-04T14:00:00 <izibi> ThomasWaldmann: http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/view/google/gci2011/7195215 claimed
242 2011-12-04T14:00:04 <ThomasWaldmann> just calling python2 ?
243 2011-12-04T14:00:48 <izibi> i'd try calling python2.7, python2, python in that order
244 2011-12-04T14:01:11 <izibi> maybe also explicitly try 2.6?
245 2011-12-04T14:01:17 <izibi> that's the min version, right?
246 2011-12-04T14:01:31 <ThomasWaldmann> yes
247 2011-12-04T14:17:11 <ThomasWaldmann> qxcv: see comment in task
248 2011-12-04T14:18:05 <ThomasWaldmann> TheSheep: if you have time, see http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/view/google/gci2011/7134388
249 2011-12-04T14:18:27 <ThomasWaldmann> or anybody else with a clue about css / sidebars etc.
250 2011-12-04T14:22:09 <qxcv> ThomasWaldmann: they're required because both divs have different backgrounds (solid colour on the sidebar, box-shadow on the content) and thus need to be exactly the same height when they appear side by side
251 2011-12-04T14:22:30 <qxcv> unfortunately, CSS provides no real mechanism for proper vertical layout
252 2011-12-04T14:23:17 <qxcv> the only way seems to be tables
253 2011-12-04T14:30:21 <ThomasWaldmann> well, maybe it should be a more "usual" sidebar layout
254 2011-12-04T14:30:45 <ThomasWaldmann> maybe you can look how others do it
255 2011-12-04T14:31:12 <ThomasWaldmann> the sidebar could be a container also for other stuff, not only for a mostly empty subitems display
256 2011-12-04T14:31:33 <izibi> ThomasWaldmann: http://dpaste.com/665805/
257 2011-12-04T14:31:43 <ThomasWaldmann> so the sidebar should be full heigh, the subitems display should be as high as needed
258 2011-12-04T14:33:36 <izibi> there is a way to do full height sidebars in css3 but browser support is far from good
259 2011-12-04T14:33:50 <ThomasWaldmann> izibi: keep the manual assignment of them as an option
260 2011-12-04T14:34:15 <qxcv> ThomasWaldmann: you'll have to provide some examples, I don't know of any other websites that do what you're talking about
261 2011-12-04T14:34:24 <qxcv> moinmoin's variable width display makes things really tricky
262 2011-12-04T14:34:34 <izibi> ThomasWaldmann: you mean like for example PYTHON=/opt/python/bin/python ./quickinstall?
263 2011-12-04T14:36:46 <ThomasWaldmann> izibi: either that or like it was before
264 2011-12-04T14:37:00 <ThomasWaldmann> and also watch your indentation
265 2011-12-04T14:38:00 <ThomasWaldmann> qxcv: i didn't have any specific site in mind, but there are some millions on the web, no?
266 2011-12-04T14:39:04 <ThomasWaldmann> what exactly makes it tricky?
267 2011-12-04T14:39:31 <qxcv> variable width columns
268 2011-12-04T14:39:46 <qxcv> google "liquid faux columns" and you'll know what I mean
269 2011-12-04T14:40:12 <izibi> ThomasWaldmann: i think it would also be a good idea to add || exit 1 to most calls
270 2011-12-04T14:42:23 <qxcv> http://www.communitymx.com/content/article.cfm?cid=afc58 pretty much summarises it
271 2011-12-04T14:43:10 <izibi> ThomasWaldmann: http://dpaste.com/665810/
272 2011-12-04T14:53:17 *** moinBot
273 2011-12-04T14:54:35 <ThomasWaldmann> izibi: the return values you are checking, are they reliable?
274 2011-12-04T14:55:41 <ThomasWaldmann> maybe add a comment at the top explaining how to use some specific python interpreter for the virtualenv
275 2011-12-04T14:57:16 *** xjjk
276 2011-12-04T14:57:16 *** MattMaker
277 2011-12-04T14:57:16 *** jek
278 2011-12-04T14:57:16 *** xorAxAx
279 2011-12-04T14:57:16 *** Sysi
280 2011-12-04T14:57:16 *** greg_f
281 2011-12-04T14:57:16 *** aa_
282 2011-12-04T14:57:16 *** vpv
283 2011-12-04T14:57:16 *** pkumar
284 2011-12-04T14:57:16 *** TheSheep
285 2011-12-04T14:57:16 *** dreimark
286 2011-12-04T14:57:16 *** qxcv
287 2011-12-04T14:57:58 <izibi> ThomasWaldmann: i didn't read every single man page but it works and you usually return >0 in case of an error
288 2011-12-04T15:00:38 *** 5EXAAKPQ0
289 2011-12-04T15:00:46 *** 5EXAAKPQ0
290 2011-12-04T15:00:49 *** qxcv
291 2011-12-04T15:03:30 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, we can try
292 2011-12-04T15:05:39 *** ChanServ
293 2011-12-04T15:05:39 *** verne.freenode.net
294 2011-12-04T15:06:02 *** waldi
295 2011-12-04T15:06:02 *** waldi
296 2011-12-04T15:15:26 <izibi> ThomasWaldmann: http://codereview.appspot.com/5440093
297 2011-12-04T15:17:03 <ThomasWaldmann> izibi: that's not explicit enough
298 2011-12-04T15:17:33 <ThomasWaldmann> you should at least add ... environment variable ...
299 2011-12-04T15:19:53 <ThomasWaldmann> or given an example
300 2011-12-04T15:19:58 <ThomasWaldmann> -n
301 2011-12-04T15:22:18 <izibi> ThomasWaldmann: updated issue
302 2011-12-04T15:23:53 <ThomasWaldmann> maybe using /usr/local/bin/python2.7 is a bad example, as that is usually found anyway, right?
303 2011-12-04T15:24:09 <ThomasWaldmann> maybe pypy?
304 2011-12-04T15:24:41 <izibi> ok, sure that it works? :D
305 2011-12-04T15:24:57 <izibi> i guess you just rebooted my phone :D
306 2011-12-04T15:28:31 <ThomasWaldmann> pypy 1.6 worked for moin2
307 2011-12-04T15:31:19 <izibi> works
308 2011-12-04T15:32:23 <izibi> updated issue again ;)
309 2011-12-04T15:33:49 <ThomasWaldmann> ok
310 2011-12-04T15:34:56 <izibi> commit?
311 2011-12-04T15:38:04 <ThomasWaldmann> yup
312 2011-12-04T15:40:02 <izibi> pushed
313 2011-12-04T15:40:52 <izibi> submitted to melange
314 2011-12-04T15:42:18 <CIA-59> Julian Brost <julian.brost@googlemail.com> default * 1119:17e7a75503d6 2.0/quickinstall: Updated quickinstall script to automatically determine best python and virtualenv version.
315 2011-12-04T15:45:38 * ThomasWaldmann runs it
316 2011-12-04T15:47:03 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, worked
317 2011-12-04T16:26:25 <dreimark> re
318 2011-12-04T16:34:56 <dreimark> eSyr: http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/view/google/gci2011/7123295
319 2011-12-04T16:36:03 <eSyr> dreimark: thanks
320 2011-12-04T17:04:03 *** Robin08
321 2011-12-04T17:04:32 <Robin08> Hello ThomasWaldmann
322 2011-12-04T17:10:02 <ThomasWaldmann> hi Robin08
323 2011-12-04T17:11:42 <Robin08> For setting up an online account at printfection.com, I need to provide some details during signup
324 2011-12-04T17:12:59 <Robin08> obviously of moin
325 2011-12-04T17:13:29 *** RogerHaase
326 2011-12-04T17:19:44 *** RobinKumar
327 2011-12-04T17:21:39 *** grzywacz
328 2011-12-04T17:21:40 *** Robin08
329 2011-12-04T17:22:09 *** Robin08
330 2011-12-04T17:24:13 *** sungji
331 2011-12-04T17:27:14 *** greg_f
332 2011-12-04T18:02:22 <sungji> good evening / guten Abend everyone ^_^
333 2011-12-04T18:02:34 <ThomasWaldmann> moin :)
334 2011-12-04T18:02:46 <ThomasWaldmann> valid all day/night
335 2011-12-04T18:03:09 <sungji> ThomasWaldmann, hahaha
336 2011-12-04T18:03:41 <sungji> ThomasWaldmann, are you from a region where they say 'moin' ?
337 2011-12-04T18:04:14 <ThomasWaldmann> not really, but it is possible
338 2011-12-04T18:04:42 <ThomasWaldmann> it is primarily used in northern germany, but I am in the sw
339 2011-12-04T18:05:09 <ThomasWaldmann> but on irc, it is quite popular
340 2011-12-04T18:06:17 <sungji> oh ok
341 2011-12-04T18:06:18 <sungji> interesting
342 2011-12-04T18:56:14 *** raignarok
343 2011-12-04T19:16:30 *** Robin08
344 2011-12-04T19:19:25 <ThomasWaldmann> printfection looks quite nice yet, maybe just what we searched fo
345 2011-12-04T19:37:41 *** TheSheep
346 2011-12-04T19:37:41 *** TheSheep
347 2011-12-04T20:04:40 *** pkumar
348 2011-12-04T20:16:05 <ThomasWaldmann> izibi: there is a small issue with +history zebra
349 2011-12-04T20:19:02 <ThomasWaldmann> at the right, the header/box is wider than the zebra stripes, so it looks a bit strange
350 2011-12-04T20:24:00 <izibi> huh? where's that coming from? let's see...
351 2011-12-04T20:26:35 <izibi> oh, table width isn't explicitly set to 100%
352 2011-12-04T20:30:17 <izibi> ThomasWaldmann: pushed a fix
353 2011-12-04T20:33:31 <ThomasWaldmann> works :)
354 2011-12-04T20:33:36 <CIA-59> Julian Brost <julian.brost@googlemail.com> default * 1120:0f2cdb79aeb0 2.0/MoinMoin/themes/modernized/static/css/common.css: Set global history table width to 100% to prevent whitespace on the right.
355 2011-12-04T20:38:38 *** raignarok
356 2011-12-04T20:46:36 *** grzywacz
357 2011-12-04T20:47:37 *** joancreus
358 2011-12-04T20:48:50 <RogerHaase> ThomasWaldmann: I added my ideas for GCI on EasyToDo page
359 2011-12-04T20:52:44 * ThomasWaldmann looking
360 2011-12-04T20:56:20 <ThomasWaldmann> RogerHaase: the usability eval maybe can only be done when the reviewer has used the stuff for a while, which is unlikely to be the case for moin2
361 2011-12-04T21:01:38 <RogerHaase> I am thinking that if a new user can't figure it out in a few seconds or minutes, the usability is low.
362 2011-12-04T21:02:30 <ThomasWaldmann> i am not sure about that
363 2011-12-04T21:03:23 <ThomasWaldmann> it is somehow "easy in first minutes" against "usable in the rest of the time (might be from 0 to years)"
364 2011-12-04T21:05:32 <RogerHaase> ah, the Linux command line vs. the Windows graphical interface argument. Outsiders can gues our OS's :-D
365 2011-12-04T21:06:16 <ThomasWaldmann> it doesn't need to be that extreme
366 2011-12-04T21:09:00 <Sysi> windows GUI is nothing like "figure out in few minutes"
367 2011-12-04T21:09:16 <Sysi> osx in the other hand.. :P
368 2011-12-04T21:11:24 * dreimark likes pdp11
369 2011-12-04T21:11:51 <Sysi> effectiveness after some learning vs, initial easiness is one thing too
370 2011-12-04T21:13:14 <ThomasWaldmann> Sysi: that is what i meant
371 2011-12-04T21:14:12 <ThomasWaldmann> i mean you don't win much if you easily get it within the first minutes but it sucks the rest of your life then. :D
372 2011-12-04T21:14:39 <dreimark> and you believe you can't escape
373 2011-12-04T21:14:56 <Sysi> stuff you need for once editing and article probably is easy enough, if you're gonna do it more you might as well learn something
374 2011-12-04T21:16:35 <RogerHaase> ThomasWaldmann: it is easy to remove the usability line, a bigger question is whether this kind of moin vs. other wiki analysis useful to student and to us?
375 2011-12-04T21:21:37 <ThomasWaldmann> well, the likely outcome is that moin2 is less usably and more ugly than a production wiki.
376 2011-12-04T21:22:42 <ThomasWaldmann> but if we can identify specific ideas how to make it more usable and less ugly, it would be worth it
377 2011-12-04T21:33:14 <RogerHaase> OK, will think about it another day. Any other thoughts about what kind of a design task you had in mind?
378 2011-12-04T21:33:50 <ThomasWaldmann> RogerHaase: there is some existing content on easytodo that just needs refinement
379 2011-12-04T21:34:03 <ThomasWaldmann> about theming / ui / etc.
380 2011-12-04T21:38:45 * ThomasWaldmann currently looks at html structure of another wiki
381 2011-12-04T21:39:41 <RogerHaase> ThomasWaldmann: OK, but we are looking for tasks for high school students that does not include coding, right?
382 2011-12-04T21:47:38 <ThomasWaldmann> it may include coding. but the total amount of work should not be too much. days, not weeks.
383 2011-12-04T22:00:20 *** grzywacz
384 2011-12-04T22:15:49 *** sungji
385 2011-12-04T22:17:04 *** sungji
386 2011-12-04T22:28:00 *** Robin08
387 2011-12-04T22:46:23 *** joancreus
388 2011-12-04T23:15:23 *** Robin08
389 2011-12-04T23:15:45 *** Robin08
390 2011-12-04T23:17:20 *** CIA-59
391 2011-12-04T23:19:44 *** CIA-59
392 2011-12-04T23:22:51 *** Robin08
393 2011-12-04T23:38:58 *** RogerHaase
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