MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2011-12-30

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  13 2011-12-30T07:42:23  <moin5> hi all
  14 2011-12-30T07:59:05  <moin5> i have question
  15 2011-12-30T07:59:08  <moin5> can somebody help me
  16 2011-12-30T08:24:23  <dreimark> moin5: answered
  17 2011-12-30T08:24:53  <dreimark> i mean that could have been the answer of your question, don't ask to ask
  18 2011-12-30T08:25:41  <dreimark> you need to be also patient because we sometime have to do some other stuff too
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  20 2011-12-30T08:32:27  <exhuma> Hi
  21 2011-12-30T08:32:52  <exhuma> I was wondering: what's the rationale behind not using a "normal" bugtracker?
  22 2011-12-30T08:35:24  <moin5> dreimark: ok
  23 2011-12-30T08:35:28  <moin5> i got this task
  24 2011-12-30T08:35:29  <moin5> http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/view/google/gci2011/7159202
  25 2011-12-30T08:35:48  <moin5> and downloaded https://bitbucket.org/thomaswaldmann/moin-2.0/downloads
  26 2011-12-30T08:35:52  <moin5> now that?
  27 2011-12-30T08:36:58  <dreimark> please join #moin-dev
  28 2011-12-30T08:37:18  <moin5> isn't that #moin-dev ?
  29 2011-12-30T08:37:50  <dreimark> ah yes, sorry my mistake
  30 2011-12-30T08:37:54  <dreimark> too much windows
  31 2011-12-30T08:38:10  <dreimark> docs are documented on http://moinmo.in/MoinMoin2.0
  32 2011-12-30T08:38:33  <dreimark> e.g. http://readthedocs.org/docs/moin-20/en/latest/admin/install.html
  33 2011-12-30T08:38:35  <moin5> ok :)
  34 2011-12-30T08:39:11  <dreimark> you can also fork it on bitbucket
  35 2011-12-30T08:39:35  <dreimark> and then install it from your fork
  36 2011-12-30T08:39:53  <dreimark> that makes later the workflow process a bit simpler
  37 2011-12-30T08:53:27  <dreimark> bbl
  38 2011-12-30T08:54:29  <qxcv> dreimark: with rst lists, they shouldn't require a space before each line
  39 2011-12-30T08:54:39  <qxcv> does this make it a mointodo rather than an rsttodo?
  40 2011-12-30T09:11:21  <qxcv> actually, nevermind. it's neither a mointodo nor an rsttodo - rst doesn't require a space before list items and because moin uses the standard docutils reference implementation it parses RST perfectly
  41 2011-12-30T09:14:04  * qxcv fixes rst docs
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  43 2011-12-30T12:23:57  <moin5> is that the css of default theme
  44 2011-12-30T12:23:58  <moin5> MoinMoin/themes/modernized/static/css/
  45 2011-12-30T12:24:20  <moin5> ?
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  48 2011-12-30T13:09:04  <exhuma> moin5: I think the default for 1.9.3 is "modern". "modernized" is a nice alternative.
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  50 2011-12-30T13:10:08  <moin5> i have to search for unused css's in default theme
  51 2011-12-30T13:10:15  <moin5> is that default theme?
  52 2011-12-30T13:10:16  <moin5> MoinMoin/themes/modernized/static/css/
  53 2011-12-30T13:20:22  <TheSheep> yes
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  56 2011-12-30T13:35:38  <moin5> which python files are using css?
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  58 2011-12-30T13:47:32  <ThomasWaldmann> moin
  59 2011-12-30T13:47:58  <ThomasWaldmann> moin5: in moin-2.0 the css is usually used from the html templates
  60 2011-12-30T13:48:08  <moin5> only there?
  61 2011-12-30T13:48:43  <ThomasWaldmann> maybe search for stuff like class=... or class_=... or css_class=... in the python src
  62 2011-12-30T13:48:53  <moin5> yeah i know
  63 2011-12-30T13:48:59  <ThomasWaldmann> maybe use some great regex :)
  64 2011-12-30T13:49:16  <moin5> should i do it only for one version or for all?
  65 2011-12-30T13:49:30  <ThomasWaldmann> only moin 2
  66 2011-12-30T13:49:39  <moin5> ok :)
  67 2011-12-30T13:49:41  <moin5> thanks
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  69 2011-12-30T13:56:03  <dreimark> exhuma: don't confuse the gci student he works on moin2
  70 2011-12-30T13:59:55  <dreimark> TheSheep: ThomasWaldmann comments to http://moinmo.in/More%20Images%20for%20linking%20to%20MoinMoin
  71 2011-12-30T14:01:49  <dreimark> now he has plenty of time
  72 2011-12-30T14:01:57  <dreimark> http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/view/google/gci2011/7125294
  73 2011-12-30T14:02:00  <dreimark> or we ...
  74 2011-12-30T14:02:03  <exhuma> dreimark: Okay. I was not shure which version he was talking about. Which is why I added 1.9.3 to the message ;)
  75 2011-12-30T14:02:24  <dreimark> exhuma: developing is done these days on moin2
  76 2011-12-30T14:03:05  <exhuma> I'm fairly new to moin ;)
  77 2011-12-30T14:03:30  <dreimark> exhuma:you are a python developer ? we want you :)
  78 2011-12-30T14:04:32  <exhuma> So I heard ;)
  79 2011-12-30T14:04:37  <exhuma> And I like moin
  80 2011-12-30T14:04:43  <exhuma> ... and I like sphinx
  81 2011-12-30T14:04:49  <exhuma> so we#re off to a good start ;)
  82 2011-12-30T14:05:14  <exhuma> unfortunately, I am currently working on a priority project...
  83 2011-12-30T14:05:16  <moin5> what should that class return? <span class="moin-history-{{ meta.action|lower }}"></span>
  84 2011-12-30T14:05:22  * ThomasWaldmann will make a small moin2 get together ("workshop") today at 28c3
  85 2011-12-30T14:05:27  <exhuma> So my time is a bit limited in the coming weeks.
  86 2011-12-30T14:05:50  <exhuma> ThomasWaldmann: 28c3?
  87 2011-12-30T14:05:59  <ThomasWaldmann> google it :)
  88 2011-12-30T14:06:03  <dreimark> exhuma: google it
  89 2011-12-30T14:06:10  * ThomasWaldmann was first :P
  90 2011-12-30T14:06:23  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: you were a second faster than me also with the deadline extension
  91 2011-12-30T14:06:34  <ThomasWaldmann> moin5: likely action is something like "diff" or "show" or so
  92 2011-12-30T14:06:41  <moin5> ok
  93 2011-12-30T14:06:47  <ThomasWaldmann> so the class is moin-history-diff etc.
  94 2011-12-30T14:07:04  * dreimark looks at qxcv taks
  95 2011-12-30T14:07:15  <exhuma> ThomasWaldmann: oh... I see... :)
  96 2011-12-30T14:07:46  <ThomasWaldmann> btw, there is some guy interested in moin2 debian packaging, had a nice chat here with him
  97 2011-12-30T14:08:36  <dreimark> there was a debian moin maintainer at the pyconde - he liked the idea of xstatic
  98 2011-12-30T14:08:57  <ThomasWaldmann> ah, right, we need that also then :)
  99 2011-12-30T14:09:12  <ThomasWaldmann> maybe they can work together
 100 2011-12-30T14:09:19  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: you remember his name?
 101 2011-12-30T14:09:49  <dreimark> currently i have a picture of him in my brain, name comes later
 102 2011-12-30T14:17:20  <dreimark> qxcv: I am happy, you are done
 103 2011-12-30T14:17:52  <qxcv> dreimark: ty
 104 2011-12-30T14:45:07  <qxcv> looking at https://bitbucket.org/thomaswaldmann/moin-2.0/issue/34/pre-sections
 105 2011-12-30T14:45:28  <qxcv> @mentors, would I be able to open a gci task and try and solve that issue?
 106 2011-12-30T14:45:28  <moinBot> qxcv: Error: "mentors," is not a valid command.
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 108 2011-12-30T15:03:23  <RogerHaase> moin5: In addition to looking at code to find unused CSS, you may want to look at a Firefox plugin "CSS Usage".  There may be other tools, I have not looked in the past year.
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 110 2011-12-30T15:26:37  <eSyr> "ELEVATOR  SPEECH FOR MOIMMOIM2"
 111 2011-12-30T15:37:17  <xorAxAx> moim moim!
 112 2011-12-30T15:37:21  <xorAxAx> from 28c3
 113 2011-12-30T15:42:28  <dreimark> moinBot: xorAxAx
 114 2011-12-30T15:42:28  <moinBot> dreimark: Error: "xorAxAx" is not a valid command.
 115 2011-12-30T15:42:38  <dreimark> moin xorAxAx
 116 2011-12-30T15:53:34  <moin5> RogerHaase: i have to search for unused css only at /templates folder right?
 117 2011-12-30T15:55:57  <dreimark> eSyr: docx
 118 2011-12-30T15:56:58  <eSyr> ehrrrrm.
 119 2011-12-30T15:57:12  <dreimark> http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/view/google/gci2011/7130526
 120 2011-12-30T15:57:25  <eSyr> ah.
 121 2011-12-30T15:57:25  <dreimark> and if i look on that http://moinmo.in/EasyToDo/create%20elevator%20speeches/YourName
 122 2011-12-30T15:57:35  <eSyr> yes.
 123 2011-12-30T15:57:43  <eSyr> i read my mail :)
 124 2011-12-30T15:57:47  <dreimark> it is not much about moin2
 125 2011-12-30T15:57:58  <dreimark> ok
 126 2011-12-30T15:58:39  * eSyr is thinking is it good idea doing moin2 ad in style of extreme advertisement
 127 2011-12-30T15:58:51  <dreimark> Therefore I suggest to by Moimmoin 2 instead of going anywhere else.
 128 2011-12-30T15:59:23  <dreimark> does he mean  s/by/buy/ ?
 129 2011-12-30T15:59:29  <dreimark> and then makes this also no sense
 130 2011-12-30T16:00:43  <eSyr> hehe, lets make retail boxes with moin2!
 131 2011-12-30T16:02:07  * eSyr read this elevator speech
 132 2011-12-30T16:02:28  <eSyr> it's really some soft version of http://s.lurkmore.to/images/7/7a/Atomad.jpg or so.
 133 2011-12-30T16:02:38  <dreimark> lots of typos
 134 2011-12-30T16:08:43  * dreimark added some comments 
 135 2011-12-30T16:10:28  <RogerHaase> moin5: /templates is a start.  But there will be more css classes mixed within the codebase.  There are a few documented pass throughs "{{{#!wiki yellow\nyyy\n}}}" that will not be in the codebase (yellow becomes a class).
 136 2011-12-30T16:11:50  <dreimark> moin5: please read the task again
 137 2011-12-30T16:12:02  <moin5> ok :)
 138 2011-12-30T16:12:16  <moin5> could you specify some folders?
 139 2011-12-30T16:12:20  <moin5> where to search
 140 2011-12-30T16:13:06  <moin5> for css ?
 141 2011-12-30T16:13:40  <dreimark> Firefox plugin "CSS Usage"
 142 2011-12-30T16:14:16  <dreimark> search for js ,html, css  files
 143 2011-12-30T16:15:08  <dreimark> e.g. find MoinMoin/. | grep .js$
 144 2011-12-30T16:17:38  <RogerHaase> moin5: Note the CSS Usage tool requires a set of input wiki pages.  You may have to create wiki pages that will exercise the css.
 145 2011-12-30T16:18:20  <moin5> i am trying go do all manualy by hand
 146 2011-12-30T16:21:06  <dreimark> moin5: RogerHaase please read the taks description
 147 2011-12-30T16:21:22  <RogerHaase> Check if there is some tool that can automatically check stuff like this. If you can't find some tool, do 2 systematic manual checks.
 148 2011-12-30T16:22:04  <dreimark> http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/view/google/gci2011/7159202
 149 2011-12-30T16:22:29  <moin5> my mistake
 150 2011-12-30T16:22:33  <dreimark> i refer more to the two lines above
 151 2011-12-30T16:22:45  <dreimark> and to deliverables
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 154 2011-12-30T16:43:10  <moin5> dreimark?
 155 2011-12-30T16:43:18  <moin5> are you my mentor at http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/view/google/gci2011/7159202
 156 2011-12-30T16:43:22  <dreimark> yes?
 157 2011-12-30T16:43:29  <dreimark> yes
 158 2011-12-30T16:43:43  <moin5> i forgot to tell you to cancel my upload
 159 2011-12-30T16:43:44  <moin5> :)
 160 2011-12-30T16:43:53  <dreimark> no problem
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 162 2011-12-30T18:44:53  <dreimark> OMG me wonders about elevator speech
 163 2011-12-30T18:44:56  <dreimark> bbl
 164 2011-12-30T18:46:18  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: the elevator speech student queried me some h ago and he should know already some basic things to improve
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 183 2011-12-30T23:18:31  <dreimark> re
 184 2011-12-30T23:42:12  <dreimark> re