1 2012-02-12T02:59:58 * ThomasWaldmann reads the etherpad protocol specs
2 2012-02-12T03:39:07 *** MattMaker
3 2012-02-12T03:58:49 *** sudo_dirk
4 2012-02-12T04:07:59 <ThomasWaldmann> https://github.com/devjones/PyEtherpadLite/issues/4 < somehow such stuff is following us
5 2012-02-12T04:38:27 *** yufra_
6 2012-02-12T05:23:30 *** MattMaker
7 2012-02-12T05:30:44 *** MattMaker
8 2012-02-12T06:05:58 *** sudo_dirk
9 2012-02-12T07:57:53 *** yufra_
10 2012-02-12T08:06:19 *** qxcv
11 2012-02-12T08:27:30 *** qxcv
12 2012-02-12T08:41:27 *** qxcv
13 2012-02-12T09:56:22 *** yufra_
14 2012-02-12T11:30:02 <sudo_dirk> i am searching for somthing to do in moin2 where i also learn more about items, modifiers, parsers, ... possibly looking forward to converting arnica to moin2 it could be usefull to extend the image item. i want to store there some properties of an image. e.g. name, description, tags, wiki_rotation. and an item editor to modify such properties. is that a conflict with some already existing ideas? it will take a while cause i no nea
15 2012-02-12T11:30:04 <sudo_dirk> rly nothing about moin2...
16 2012-02-12T11:31:10 <sudo_dirk> and an item functionality to get a reduced resolution image (if not already existing)
17 2012-02-12T11:36:18 *** sudo_dirk2
18 2012-02-12T12:11:39 *** greg_f
19 2012-02-12T13:40:31 *** sudo_dirk2
20 2012-02-12T13:43:13 *** qxcv
21 2012-02-12T14:14:52 <ThomasWaldmann> moin
22 2012-02-12T14:16:24 <ThomasWaldmann> sudo_dirk: such stuff is metadata about an image item (revision), you can just store it into metadata and use the metadata editor we already have.
23 2012-02-12T14:19:36 <sudo_dirk> ThomasWaldmann: i want to store it in metadata, i also want to add a editor for some default stuff, which could be part of the dialog on editing an image (is that the modifier of the item)
24 2012-02-12T14:19:39 <ThomasWaldmann> (btw, you need to hit enter more often, your first sentence was truncated after "while cause i nea")
25 2012-02-12T14:20:43 <ThomasWaldmann> editing metadata either needs to be done as is or it needs to be worked on a mechanism that is generally useful
26 2012-02-12T14:21:53 <ThomasWaldmann> last SOC we had the idea of doing some widgets for all metadata data types we have using jinja2 and flatland. but no student jumped on that.
27 2012-02-12T14:22:48 <sudo_dirk> i think about a general mechanism, but the content is item specific. but i don't want to kill the idea caused by just a little concern ;-)
28 2012-02-12T14:23:43 <ThomasWaldmann> what "content" do you mean exactly?
29 2012-02-12T14:25:10 <sudo_dirk> an image has name, desciption, tags, ... an todo has priority, whatever, ... and not all metadata is useful in an editor
30 2012-02-12T14:25:37 <sudo_dirk> for example the wiki intern information
31 2012-02-12T14:26:04 *** sudo_dirk2
32 2012-02-12T14:26:13 <ThomasWaldmann> nothing of that is image-specific
33 2012-02-12T14:26:54 <ThomasWaldmann> we already have tags btw (in the metadata)
34 2012-02-12T14:27:29 <sudo_dirk2> but the todo stuff is and i am sure there is something imagespecific like default_orientation
35 2012-02-12T14:27:53 <ThomasWaldmann> and e.g. a editor widgets for lists of strings (like tags) is useful for multiple kinds of metadata entries and all kinds of items
36 2012-02-12T14:28:46 <ThomasWaldmann> yes, some stuff is image specific. but that doesn't mean we need a special implementation used only by image editor view.
37 2012-02-12T14:29:14 <sudo_dirk2> yep, so if we define for each item a list of editor metadata entries it is possible to come with e generic implementation
38 2012-02-12T14:29:15 <ThomasWaldmann> e.g. orientation is just an integer 0, 90, 180, 270
39 2012-02-12T14:29:28 <ThomasWaldmann> so, what you need is an integer editor widget
40 2012-02-12T14:30:17 <sudo_dirk2> yep. so i try to do this for an image item first but that kind that we are able to roll out for each item.
41 2012-02-12T14:30:37 <ThomasWaldmann> yes, such a list of "recommended metadata entries" is useful later
42 2012-02-12T14:30:49 <sudo_dirk2> ok...
43 2012-02-12T14:31:29 <ThomasWaldmann> but before having any use for that, we need generic widgets for the basic data types
44 2012-02-12T14:31:54 <ThomasWaldmann> int, unicode, list of unicode, ...
45 2012-02-12T14:32:30 <sudo_dirk2> yep, i use this issue to learn about moin2 and put some stuff in cr if available. ok.
46 2012-02-12T14:32:59 <ThomasWaldmann> that will mostly teach you something about jinja2 and flatland
47 2012-02-12T14:33:42 <sudo_dirk2> that ok too. cause it's used in moin2...
48 2012-02-12T14:33:44 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, we have that idea this year for SOC also :)
49 2012-02-12T14:34:01 <ThomasWaldmann> but don't let that hold you back
50 2012-02-12T14:34:13 <sudo_dirk2> is SOC the moin2 release
51 2012-02-12T14:34:27 <ThomasWaldmann> SOC is Google Summer of Code
52 2012-02-12T14:34:39 <ThomasWaldmann> and yes, most tasks are moin2 related
53 2012-02-12T14:34:40 <sudo_dirk2> what's that?
54 2012-02-12T14:34:46 <ThomasWaldmann> google it :)
55 2012-02-12T14:35:03 <sudo_dirk2> ok. bbl.
56 2012-02-12T14:51:43 *** sudo_dirk2
57 2012-02-12T15:29:52 <ThomasWaldmann> someone here to test etherpad lite with me?
58 2012-02-12T15:30:25 <ThomasWaldmann> http://beta.etherpad.org/p/moin
59 2012-02-12T16:22:17 *** yufra_
60 2012-02-12T18:19:52 *** yufra_
61 2012-02-12T18:42:14 *** sudo_dirk
62 2012-02-12T18:45:08 *** sudo_dirk
63 2012-02-12T18:52:22 *** greg_f
64 2012-02-12T18:58:48 *** helixfelix
65 2012-02-12T18:59:39 <helixfelix> Hello! How can I get if a user is in a group X ?
66 2012-02-12T19:02:39 <ThomasWaldmann> hi helixfelix
67 2012-02-12T19:04:49 <helixfelix> hi
68 2012-02-12T19:04:53 <ThomasWaldmann> http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/1.9/file/56eaf32027f4/MoinMoin/security/textcha.py#l61 see there for an example
69 2012-02-12T19:08:40 <helixfelix> thank you!
70 2012-02-12T19:18:29 *** helixfelix
71 2012-02-12T19:22:53 *** sudo_dirk
72 2012-02-12T19:32:19 *** helixfelix
73 2012-02-12T19:32:57 <helixfelix> hm what means "if disabled_group and user.name and user.name in groups.get(disabled_group, []):" can you give me a link to docu for that?
74 2012-02-12T19:35:00 <TheSheep> helixfelix: you mean for the conditional statement?
75 2012-02-12T19:36:07 <TheSheep> helixfelix: http://docs.python.org/reference/compound_stmts.html#the-if-statement
76 2012-02-12T19:37:21 <TheSheep> also see http://docs.python.org/reference/expressions.html#boolean-operations and http://docs.python.org/library/stdtypes.html#dict.get
77 2012-02-12T20:38:05 *** sudo_dirk
78 2012-02-12T22:35:07 <dreimark> moin
79 2012-02-12T22:37:14 <dreimark> helixfelix: http://moinmo.in/MoinAPI/Examples#request.groups
80 2012-02-12T23:08:06 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, i have looked a bit at etherpad lite
81 2012-02-12T23:08:32 <ThomasWaldmann> somehow i have a bit doubts about project focus and goals there
82 2012-02-12T23:09:11 <ThomasWaldmann> if one tries it e.g. to edit some python source code, one quickly finds quite basic issues
83 2012-02-12T23:10:14 <ThomasWaldmann> otoh, they seem to go into word-processor like direction with supporting text styles, pdf export etc. etc.
84 2012-02-12T23:12:31 <ThomasWaldmann> they have a python binding that uses a http interface to talk to a epl server. but it has same license issue as mobwrite. apache license v2.
85 2012-02-12T23:18:49 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: seen, but i wonder about beta.
86 2012-02-12T23:19:36 <ThomasWaldmann> sure, it is beta. but why not just get simple text editing right first?
87 2012-02-12T23:19:47 <dreimark> http://mrtopf.de/blog/de/ein-besseres-etherpad-dank-etherpad-lite/
88 2012-02-12T23:20:05 <dreimark> if it is released it should not be beta
89 2012-02-12T23:25:34 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: what do you mean by ne quickly finds quite basic issues
90 2012-02-12T23:28:35 <ThomasWaldmann> see their issue tracker
91 2012-02-12T23:28:43 <dreimark> this is maintained by mrtopf http://yourpart.eu/p/pycamp2012
92 2012-02-12T23:31:03 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: why did you press tab?
93 2012-02-12T23:31:28 <dreimark> my example on the end by blanks automaticly indent correct
94 2012-02-12T23:31:39 <dreimark> using 4 blanks
95 2012-02-12T23:32:34 <dreimark> http://beta.etherpad.org/p/moin
96 2012-02-12T23:55:56 <ThomasWaldmann> the etherpad protocol spec is not too complicated, but formulated in a very theoretical/mathematical way
97 2012-02-12T23:56:51 <dreimark> i have not looked in these details but have talked with mrtopf
98 2012-02-12T23:56:56 <dreimark> and he likes the new api
99 2012-02-12T23:57:32 <dreimark> the first problem is if the license of the py adaptor becomes changed
100 2012-02-12T23:57:44 <dreimark> and if not then we need a rewr
101 2012-02-12T23:58:40 <ThomasWaldmann> that one might be rather easy. it is quite short and maybe they just do it.
102 2012-02-12T23:59:10 <ThomasWaldmann> the problem is rather the unclear goal of that etherpad lite is for and the bugs/issues it has.
103 2012-02-12T23:59:22 <ThomasWaldmann> what*
