1 2012-05-09T00:09:16 *** dwcramer
2 2012-05-09T00:14:35 *** bilal
3 2012-05-09T00:16:18 *** bilal
4 2012-05-09T00:37:40 *** dwcramer
5 2012-05-09T00:56:18 *** spy
6 2012-05-09T01:03:29 *** spy__
7 2012-05-09T01:17:03 *** dwcramer
8 2012-05-09T02:11:33 *** dcramer_
9 2012-05-09T02:17:06 *** dcramer_
10 2012-05-09T02:17:09 *** dwcramer
11 2012-05-09T02:29:54 *** dwcramer
12 2012-05-09T02:29:59 *** dcramer_
13 2012-05-09T03:40:08 *** sudo_dirk1
14 2012-05-09T03:41:18 *** MattMaker
15 2012-05-09T03:41:52 *** sudo_dirk
16 2012-05-09T05:09:42 *** dwcramer
17 2012-05-09T05:09:54 *** dcramer_
18 2012-05-09T05:26:40 *** dwcramer
19 2012-05-09T05:32:54 *** dcramer_
20 2012-05-09T05:32:56 *** dcramer__
21 2012-05-09T06:41:30 *** dwcramer
22 2012-05-09T06:41:43 *** dcramer__
23 2012-05-09T06:41:43 *** dcramer_
24 2012-05-09T06:42:03 *** dwcramer
25 2012-05-09T06:47:56 *** dwcramer
26 2012-05-09T08:30:39 <ThomasWaldmann> moin
27 2012-05-09T08:43:58 <ThomasWaldmann> DasIch: welcome back. there are some comments on the etherpad waiting for you.
28 2012-05-09T09:16:04 *** DasIch
29 2012-05-09T11:46:46 *** spy
30 2012-05-09T13:38:11 *** not-xjjk
31 2012-05-09T13:41:11 *** xjjk
32 2012-05-09T14:38:11 *** dave_largo
33 2012-05-09T14:38:36 *** dwcramer
34 2012-05-09T15:46:17 *** dwcramer
35 2012-05-09T15:49:49 *** codepython777
36 2012-05-09T15:51:32 <dreimark> codepython777: yes, we plan to have widgets for all meta elements
37 2012-05-09T15:52:54 <codepython777> dreimark: def __init__(self, lines=[], default='', valid=None): --> AccessControlList --> Whats default for ? why is valid required and what is it?
38 2012-05-09T15:54:32 <codepython777> I understand valid now. Whats default for
39 2012-05-09T15:58:11 <codepython777> dreimark: who pays for development of moinmoin2 ?
40 2012-05-09T15:58:44 <dreimark> ok
41 2012-05-09T15:58:55 <dreimark> noone pays for development
42 2012-05-09T15:59:10 <dreimark> we are working on it in our spare time
43 2012-05-09T15:59:19 <dreimark> why do you ask?
44 2012-05-09T16:02:55 <codepython777> If I wanted to use some piece of code in a closed source project (Specifically the two ACL Classes: AccessControlList, ACLStringIterator), who could we ask for permission? Of course any changes we do to those classes, we would love to keep public. If we do something well, it could be useful for moin later.
45 2012-05-09T16:04:51 <ronny> my current underestanding is that its under the gpl, so you'd have to oblige to the gpl, or license it undere differnt terms from the authors
46 2012-05-09T16:06:47 <codepython777> ronny: indeed. Seems like Thomas is the main author of these classes, hence I wanted to check with him first.
47 2012-05-09T16:07:27 <dreimark> you need agreement of all authors of this class
48 2012-05-09T16:07:39 <dreimark> to change a license.
49 2012-05-09T16:07:46 <dreimark> what is your project about?
50 2012-05-09T16:10:20 <codepython777> dreimark: I just need some acl on a web app, and would like to use these two classes if possible.
51 2012-05-09T16:10:39 <codepython777> If not, i'll have to do my own ACL. Just one more ACL in the ACL Jungle is what I wanted to avoid.
52 2012-05-09T16:12:41 <dreimark> and you don't want to license yours under an open source license?
53 2012-05-09T16:13:13 <codepython777> dreimark: not yet. And if/when i do, it will be LGPL or something more open than GPL.
54 2012-05-09T16:16:08 *** dwcramer
55 2012-05-09T16:22:39 <ThomasWaldmann> codepython777: licensing moin code under a different license than gpl >= v2 is very difficult
56 2012-05-09T16:22:54 <ThomasWaldmann> you would have to find out all authors and ask them all...
57 2012-05-09T16:23:23 <ThomasWaldmann> as there were many authors over the years, that is rather difficult
58 2012-05-09T16:24:11 <codepython777> ThomasWaldmann: do we even know what lines were written by which author?
59 2012-05-09T16:24:33 <ThomasWaldmann> well, our dvcs(es) know
60 2012-05-09T16:24:54 <ThomasWaldmann> but finding that out would be a project of its own
61 2012-05-09T16:25:02 <codepython777> ah ok
62 2012-05-09T16:25:17 <codepython777> I think i'll design my own :)
63 2012-05-09T16:25:34 <dreimark> what kind of web-app is it?
64 2012-05-09T16:25:34 <ThomasWaldmann> so, if you need something for your project, I guess you could look at our docs and just reimplement the good parts you see there.
65 2012-05-09T16:25:44 <codepython777> ThomasWaldmann: how do you edit the ACL STrings using the web interface?
66 2012-05-09T16:25:59 <ThomasWaldmann> using a the usual editarea :)
67 2012-05-09T16:26:02 <ThomasWaldmann> -a
68 2012-05-09T16:26:05 <codepython777> ThomasWaldmann: reimplementing is considered derivative work unfortunately. :(
69 2012-05-09T16:26:18 <ThomasWaldmann> if you just use the docs?
70 2012-05-09T16:26:43 <codepython777> ThomasWaldmann: thats copying the API -- which you know -- what it means :)
71 2012-05-09T16:26:47 <ThomasWaldmann> (i mean HelpOnAccessControlLists)
72 2012-05-09T16:27:13 <ThomasWaldmann> are you thinking of google/oracle?
73 2012-05-09T16:27:17 <codepython777> yes
74 2012-05-09T16:27:33 <codepython777> I am fed up with this copyright/left/center business :)
75 2012-05-09T16:27:37 <ThomasWaldmann> well, i think that ruling was a big error.
76 2012-05-09T16:27:56 <codepython777> I do hope that python does not have the same problems that java has. But I might be wrong of course.
77 2012-05-09T16:28:31 <ThomasWaldmann> yeah, much of that stuff sucks. licencing complications, patents, ... :-|
78 2012-05-09T16:28:49 <codepython777> Suggestion: Known - a special group containing all logged in users. --> Rename this to Logged :)
79 2012-05-09T16:29:02 <ThomasWaldmann> migration issues
80 2012-05-09T16:35:16 <dreimark> codepython777: you haven't answered my question.
81 2012-05-09T16:55:50 *** sudo_dirk1
82 2012-05-09T17:05:17 <ThomasWaldmann> breton: dreimark: esyr: MaikuMori: spy: waldi: xiaq: btw, in now + 25h is our 2nd GSOC meeting
83 2012-05-09T17:07:43 <breton> ThomasWaldmann: err, not today?
84 2012-05-09T17:08:43 <breton> oh, great, not today
85 2012-05-09T17:12:39 * ThomasWaldmann also first thought it was today, but it's thursday(s)
86 2012-05-09T17:13:04 <ThomasWaldmann> breton: last week it also was thursday, right?
87 2012-05-09T17:21:14 <dreimark> it is thursday
88 2012-05-09T17:21:34 <dreimark> tommorow
89 2012-05-09T17:25:39 <dreimark> for all who don't have my stream http://nedbatchelder.com/text/unipain.html
90 2012-05-09T17:26:51 <dreimark> bbl
91 2012-05-09T17:47:52 <MaikuMori> Moin
92 2012-05-09T19:11:14 *** bilal
93 2012-05-09T19:11:37 *** bilal
94 2012-05-09T20:20:21 *** dave_largo
95 2012-05-09T20:30:07 <codepython777> dreimark: If I have a better implementation of a class in moinmoin, can i contribute it with a more generic license?
96 2012-05-09T20:30:23 <codepython777> I wrote it from scratch except I do maintain the api.
97 2012-05-09T20:55:40 *** DasIch
98 2012-05-09T20:58:50 *** dwcramer
99 2012-05-09T21:17:33 *** dwcramer
100 2012-05-09T21:22:36 *** dwcramer
101 2012-05-09T22:05:22 *** not-xjjk
102 2012-05-09T23:20:52 *** codepython777
103 2012-05-09T23:44:15 *** dwcramer
104 2012-05-09T23:52:00 *** dwcramer
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