1 2012-05-10T00:08:44 *** dwcramer
2 2012-05-10T00:16:43 *** dwcramer
3 2012-05-10T01:24:12 *** bilal
4 2012-05-10T01:26:48 *** MaikuMori_
5 2012-05-10T01:27:32 *** MaikuMori
6 2012-05-10T01:27:43 *** bilal
7 2012-05-10T01:57:45 *** codepython777
8 2012-05-10T01:58:00 <codepython777> How does the current ACL Take care of deletion of users?
9 2012-05-10T02:09:43 <ThomasWaldmann> users usually are not deleted in moin, but rather disabled
10 2012-05-10T02:11:36 <ThomasWaldmann> but the acl system does not care about this. it just uses the user name it gets (for checking) and does not care for other user names it sees in the ACL.
11 2012-05-10T02:12:03 <ThomasWaldmann> codepython777: ^
12 2012-05-10T02:19:07 *** spy
13 2012-05-10T02:38:17 <ThomasWaldmann> gn
14 2012-05-10T03:18:42 <codepython777> thanks
15 2012-05-10T03:40:32 *** sudo_dirk1
16 2012-05-10T03:42:38 *** sudo_dirk
17 2012-05-10T04:26:02 *** codepython777
18 2012-05-10T07:18:47 *** MaikuMori_
19 2012-05-10T08:01:28 *** MattMaker
20 2012-05-10T08:28:13 *** xjjk
21 2012-05-10T08:34:25 *** xjjk
22 2012-05-10T08:36:08 <dreimark> codepython777, yes. If it is a compatible license, we can use your class too.
23 2012-05-10T08:36:24 <dreimark> (may be you see my answer in the logs)
24 2012-05-10T08:46:24 *** spy
25 2012-05-10T10:08:22 <ThomasWaldmann> moin
26 2012-05-10T10:43:27 <esyr> does concept of groups differ in moin2 somehow?
27 2012-05-10T10:52:51 <ThomasWaldmann> esyr: no, pretty much the same yet (IIRC)
28 2012-05-10T10:53:22 <ThomasWaldmann> ehrm, well, except that we put it in metadata :)
29 2012-05-10T10:53:58 <ThomasWaldmann> why do you ask?
30 2012-05-10T10:56:47 <esyr> ThomasWaldmann: i'm revising etherpad and some sentances arose some doubt that maybe i'm missing something relating to groups architecture.
31 2012-05-10T10:56:56 <esyr> but in this case everything pretty much clear.
32 2012-05-10T10:57:47 <esyr> ("group membership requirement", for example — in moin 1.x user always belong to some group, All or KnownUsers, at least)
33 2012-05-10T11:23:21 <dreimark> at least the test_security has All but no test for Known
34 2012-05-10T11:24:55 <dreimark> http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/2.0/file/cd22cf9e8dd7/MoinMoin/security/__init__.py#l255
35 2012-05-10T11:25:11 <dreimark> esyr: ^
36 2012-05-10T11:25:30 <ThomasWaldmann> well All, Known, Trusted are pseudo groups (known to the acl system)
37 2012-05-10T11:26:16 *** greg_f
38 2012-05-10T12:00:37 *** kanha_
39 2012-05-10T12:03:52 *** kanha
40 2012-05-10T12:53:21 <dreimark> DasIch: can you please answer some of the ep questions
41 2012-05-10T13:27:00 <dreimark> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qiYX8_xSy8 (Talk in german about eGenix PyRun)
42 2012-05-10T13:27:11 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: ^
43 2012-05-10T14:07:00 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: Hi
44 2012-05-10T14:07:37 <xiaq> i did the coding for summary meta key
45 2012-05-10T14:07:53 <xiaq> and now i'm attempting to upload to codereview...
46 2012-05-10T14:08:09 <xiaq> i exported my changeset with `hg export`
47 2012-05-10T14:08:24 <xiaq> but codereview complained "Patch set contains no recognizable patches"
48 2012-05-10T14:08:44 <xiaq> how do i export the changeset recognizable by codereview?
49 2012-05-10T14:09:29 <xiaq> uh oh should have looked up the doc...
50 2012-05-10T14:09:34 * xiaq reading codereview doc
51 2012-05-10T14:12:12 <ThomasWaldmann> xiaq: you don't commit but just run upload.py before committing
52 2012-05-10T14:12:51 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: just tried upload.py
53 2012-05-10T14:13:21 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: appspot is gfw'ed and i've only got http proxy atm
54 2012-05-10T14:14:21 <xiaq> i need to use the web interface then
55 2012-05-10T14:16:28 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: no the web interface still refuses my patch :(
56 2012-05-10T14:16:38 <xiaq> seems upload.py generates the patch using `hg diff --git`
57 2012-05-10T14:16:43 <xiaq> i did that too, but...
58 2012-05-10T14:16:50 <xiaq> aha
59 2012-05-10T14:16:56 <xiaq> upload.py supports proxy
60 2012-05-10T14:21:14 <xiaq> done it!
61 2012-05-10T14:21:15 <xiaq> http://codereview.appspot.com/6188064
62 2012-05-10T14:21:25 <xiaq> the implementation is somehow adhoc
63 2012-05-10T14:22:26 <xiaq> there needs to be a way to reuse codes in all the do_modify()'s in items/__init__.py...
64 2012-05-10T14:23:12 <xiaq> ah, and rietveld looks terribly dumb for me :)
65 2012-05-10T14:35:10 <ThomasWaldmann> xiaq: currently busy with other stuff, will have a look later
66 2012-05-10T14:35:51 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: alright
67 2012-05-10T14:36:02 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: better before the meeting tonight though
68 2012-05-10T14:36:03 *** dave_largo
69 2012-05-10T14:51:30 <dreimark> xiaq: hi
70 2012-05-10T14:51:38 <dreimark> use always u''
71 2012-05-10T14:53:21 * dreimark can't currently login to cr from here, bad phone connection
72 2012-05-10T14:53:31 <xiaq> dreimark: okay
73 2012-05-10T14:53:50 * xiaq gtg, bbl
74 2012-05-10T15:06:18 *** greg_f
75 2012-05-10T15:08:47 *** greg_f
76 2012-05-10T15:09:28 *** kanha
77 2012-05-10T15:09:30 *** kanha_
78 2012-05-10T15:20:29 *** brunomartin
79 2012-05-10T15:27:09 *** spy
80 2012-05-10T15:29:11 *** spy
81 2012-05-10T15:30:27 *** jaiditya
82 2012-05-10T15:37:48 *** dave_largo
83 2012-05-10T15:42:04 <dreimark> MaikuMori: esyr i added some remarks to the pad
84 2012-05-10T16:17:54 *** RogerHaase
85 2012-05-10T16:23:17 <RogerHaase> ThomasWaldman: jek: another try at correcting html errors ready for review: http://codereview.appspot.com/6091043/ Change is now small and simple. Belated thanks to jek for CR comments.
86 2012-05-10T16:24:12 <RogerHaase> ThomasWaldman: I would push above as 4 patches because the changes are somewhat unrelated.
87 2012-05-10T17:03:06 <dreimark> xiaq: there is a rule how to write global constants. And that says do it in upper case. If it is consistant done you know at least in any code part that it is a constant defined somewehere else
88 2012-05-10T17:03:31 <dreimark> because on several places they have a * import
89 2012-05-10T17:07:37 <dreimark> pep8 says Constants
90 2012-05-10T17:07:47 <dreimark> Constants are usually defined on a module level and written in all capital letters with underscores separating words. Examples include MAX_OVERFLOW and TOTAL.
91 2012-05-10T17:28:09 <dreimark> bbl
92 2012-05-10T17:30:40 * dreimark cu in 29 mins
93 2012-05-10T17:37:41 *** MattMaker
94 2012-05-10T17:39:44 *** DasIch_
95 2012-05-10T17:43:11 *** DasIch
96 2012-05-10T17:43:11 *** DasIch_
97 2012-05-10T17:57:51 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, meeting time :)
98 2012-05-10T17:58:01 <ThomasWaldmann> give a short life sign if you are here
99 2012-05-10T17:58:11 <xiaq> moin
100 2012-05-10T17:58:15 <breton> aww, I wanted to tell the "badum-ts" at 16:00 exactly
101 2012-05-10T17:58:56 <spy> moin
102 2012-05-10T17:59:15 <ThomasWaldmann> breton: ok, you're first, please LAST/BLOCKERS/NEXT ...
103 2012-05-10T17:59:52 <breton> LAST: worked on application: fixed line-15-TODO, rewrote "sync" part; studied current serialization code
104 2012-05-10T17:59:55 <breton> BLOCKERS: lack of comments on the sync part; I'd also like to know what else needs to be done on application and general comments on what should be done/changed
105 2012-05-10T17:59:58 <breton> NEXT: fixing sync part of application; depending on results rewriting and refining network API
106 2012-05-10T18:00:18 <ThomasWaldmann> http://etherpad.osuosl.org/moin2-bms
107 2012-05-10T18:00:45 <ThomasWaldmann> if you fixed line 15, why didn't you remove it or tell there that it is fixed?
108 2012-05-10T18:01:29 <breton> because I was not 100% sure that I really fixed it. Removed it now.
109 2012-05-10T18:01:42 <DasIch> hi
110 2012-05-10T18:02:03 <dreimark> re
111 2012-05-10T18:02:35 <jaiditya> moin
112 2012-05-10T18:02:50 <ThomasWaldmann> well, for almost all Etherpads more cleanup/refactoring is needed
113 2012-05-10T18:02:58 <ThomasWaldmann> (for some also more content)
114 2012-05-10T18:04:01 <ThomasWaldmann> also, if there is a longer discussion about something and finally a clear view / agreement, everybody should refactor the text and just clearly state whatever came out
115 2012-05-10T18:04:32 <ThomasWaldmann> otherwise it'll just get a growing mess over time :)
116 2012-05-10T18:05:03 *** jaiditya|2
117 2012-05-10T18:05:22 <ThomasWaldmann> as a general note: references using line numbers are only temporarily valid
118 2012-05-10T18:05:23 <dreimark> and it has revision control
119 2012-05-10T18:05:49 <dreimark> so you can slide back to a previous state
120 2012-05-10T18:06:29 <ThomasWaldmann> i know, but without clear checkpoints that isn't that useful
121 2012-05-10T18:07:32 *** jaiditya
122 2012-05-10T18:07:48 <ThomasWaldmann> breton: I can have a look at the stuff later or tomorrow, i am just a bit reluctant with commenting as long there is obvious easy todo
123 2012-05-10T18:08:59 <ThomasWaldmann> also, if students change something or add questions, bump the mentor and give him etherpad url AND line number
124 2012-05-10T18:09:30 <ThomasWaldmann> breton: please change your colour to not red
125 2012-05-10T18:09:58 <breton> ThomasWaldmann: well, there are 2 ways to do one thing, and it should be decided which to choose.
126 2012-05-10T18:10:01 <breton> err, ok.
127 2012-05-10T18:10:19 <breton> doen.
128 2012-05-10T18:10:32 <ThomasWaldmann> better :)
129 2012-05-10T18:10:53 <ThomasWaldmann> breton: while waiting for comments, you can just do cleanup or think yourself :)
130 2012-05-10T18:11:16 <ThomasWaldmann> or think about sth else
131 2012-05-10T18:11:32 <ThomasWaldmann> any questions for breton?
132 2012-05-10T18:11:50 <waldi> nope
133 2012-05-10T18:12:28 <dreimark> not now
134 2012-05-10T18:12:54 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, for all students: hit "save" now and then on etherpad. you also MUST export the stuff and keep a backup locally in case the etherpad goes away. do that regularly.
135 2012-05-10T18:13:22 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, thanks breton, DasIch is next
136 2012-05-10T18:14:06 <esyr> (or implement this editor for moin, finally)
137 2012-05-10T18:14:27 <dreimark> with improvments
138 2012-05-10T18:14:33 <breton> esyr: it was one of gsoc ideas, btw
139 2012-05-10T18:14:35 <ThomasWaldmann> esyr: that would be great, but there seems no really good option to do that.
140 2012-05-10T18:15:05 <DasIch> LAST: I've looked at how the storage part works, which features are available and which operations can be improved efficiently. I've updated the etherpad and replied to the comments there.
141 2012-05-10T18:15:07 <DasIch> BLOCKERS: none
142 2012-05-10T18:16:06 <esyr> breton: yes, because it's highly anticipated for long time.
143 2012-05-10T18:16:11 <ThomasWaldmann> right, i see there is more now. when did you update, today? the progress was a bit slow there, but you were away...
144 2012-05-10T18:16:44 <DasIch> NEXT: Rewriting/Refactoring the etherpad, especially the discussiony parts and turning it into something more of a design document that gives a better sense of the approach, also give a detailed plan on which metadata needs to be added
145 2012-05-10T18:17:03 <ThomasWaldmann> in general, you should communicate more. you didn't tell that you updated the pad, right?
146 2012-05-10T18:17:17 <DasIch> ThomasWaldmann: I didn't.
147 2012-05-10T18:17:51 <dreimark> this replies implies a different diff view? something like an inline diff?
148 2012-05-10T18:18:32 <DasIch> dreimark: no it's just to have the semantic information available
149 2012-05-10T18:18:54 <DasIch> dreimark: although this could be done as well
150 2012-05-10T18:19:36 <dreimark> e.g. http://www.janschejbal.de/projekte/diff/#diffoutput
151 2012-05-10T18:20:33 <DasIch> dreimark: this seems to be quite restricted in that it only makes sense with text
152 2012-05-10T18:20:53 <MaikuMori> moin
153 2012-05-10T18:21:13 <dreimark> true
154 2012-05-10T18:21:27 *** jaiditya|2
155 2012-05-10T18:21:33 <DasIch> dreimark: still something that might be interesting to look at if there is time
156 2012-05-10T18:21:48 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, i implemented item access by uuid (including shortened uuid). this can be used for all sorts of stuff, including pastebins, issues, blog entries...
157 2012-05-10T18:22:52 <ThomasWaldmann> DasIch: I'll also have a look at your pastebin later/tomorrow
158 2012-05-10T18:23:17 <DasIch> ThomasWaldmann: ok
159 2012-05-10T18:23:21 <ThomasWaldmann> hopefully we can update it a bit quicker now
160 2012-05-10T18:23:45 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, on the index view in moin2, we have drag and drop multifile upload
161 2012-05-10T18:23:55 <ThomasWaldmann> i guess you should use that
162 2012-05-10T18:25:25 <DasIch> ThomasWaldmann: i've added it to the ep, will look into that
163 2012-05-10T18:25:52 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, any questions for / from DasIch ?
164 2012-05-10T18:26:06 <waldi> not right now
165 2012-05-10T18:26:13 <DasIch> not atm
166 2012-05-10T18:26:47 <dreimark> not now
167 2012-05-10T18:27:05 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, thanks DasIch, xiaq you're next
168 2012-05-10T18:27:15 <xiaq> LAST: began reading Whoosh doc, ticket meta key set further refined, worked on adding summary meta key (patch under review)
169 2012-05-10T18:27:19 <xiaq> BLOCKERS: none
170 2012-05-10T18:27:23 <xiaq> NEXT: EP cleanup (discuss and settle meta key set part), finish summary meta key, continue reading Whoosh doc and work on the index part
171 2012-05-10T18:28:22 <xiaq> on affect_me and quicklink, i think ThomasWaldmann and dreimark should have a discussion :)
172 2012-05-10T18:28:36 <dreimark> yeah
173 2012-05-10T18:29:42 <dreimark> quicklink is navigation for anyone who is interested (working / tracking)
174 2012-05-10T18:30:11 <xiaq> dreimark: known that, how do you want that related to the ticket structure?
175 2012-05-10T18:30:14 <dreimark> while affect_me is something for people creating a ticket
176 2012-05-10T18:30:43 <ThomasWaldmann> well, there needs to be a use case for specific metadata
177 2012-05-10T18:31:07 <ThomasWaldmann> and my question about how quicklink shall be used is still open
178 2012-05-10T18:31:15 <ThomasWaldmann> 169
179 2012-05-10T18:31:18 <dreimark> quicklinks will need may be only a different view to indicate that it is for a ticket or a namespace or some kind of organisiation
180 2012-05-10T18:31:39 <dreimark> so that it don't mix with the common wiki qls
181 2012-05-10T18:31:42 <ThomasWaldmann> if we can't describe how it will be used, it won't happen
182 2012-05-10T18:32:20 <dreimark> on lp each has to create an account for submitting a ticket
183 2012-05-10T18:32:29 <ThomasWaldmann> i suggest you add it to EP
184 2012-05-10T18:32:34 <dreimark> ok
185 2012-05-10T18:32:57 <xiaq> shall we settle the issue during the meeting, or later?
186 2012-05-10T18:33:00 <ThomasWaldmann> xiaq: also think about versions, that is also still a mess
187 2012-05-10T18:33:23 <ThomasWaldmann> and metaschemas :)
188 2012-05-10T18:33:35 <waldi> schemas of schemas?
189 2012-05-10T18:33:53 <xiaq> dreimark: i think the problem ThomasWaldmann is concerned of is that "affects me" and quicklink are perhaps not (directly) related to ticket meta key
190 2012-05-10T18:33:55 <ThomasWaldmann> no, rather schemas for metadata
191 2012-05-10T18:34:10 <xiaq> dreimark: instead it's maybe ui stuff
192 2012-05-10T18:34:30 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: i'll work on metascheme while working on whoosh stuff
193 2012-05-10T18:34:34 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, in general i would like to see if the ticket system could be used for stuff other than soft/hardware
194 2012-05-10T18:35:01 <dreimark> xiaq: ThomasWaldmann yes, i agree, but the view must also be done
195 2012-05-10T18:35:15 <ThomasWaldmann> so we need to think about good terms
196 2012-05-10T18:35:20 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: as for possible values of versions, a special object is a satisfactory solution
197 2012-05-10T18:35:33 <ThomasWaldmann> e.g. "version" might apply for sw/hw or other versioned thing, but not to others
198 2012-05-10T18:35:37 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: moin1 had lots of special items and it didn't work well - true
199 2012-05-10T18:35:56 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: but that's because moin1 item is mostly structureless (i.e. no metadata)
200 2012-05-10T18:36:18 <ThomasWaldmann> i meant pages like RecentChanges
201 2012-05-10T18:36:26 <ThomasWaldmann> a page just for having a macro on it
202 2012-05-10T18:36:40 <ThomasWaldmann> spoils the namespace, needs to get managed...
203 2012-05-10T18:36:49 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: well i was thinking about InterWiki / InterWikiMap
204 2012-05-10T18:36:57 <dreimark> we use the same thingie for Action Items
205 2012-05-10T18:37:06 <dreimark> instead of tickets
206 2012-05-10T18:38:08 <dreimark> (in the insitute / that name confuses here too)
207 2012-05-10T18:38:25 <xiaq> dreimark: don't know much about Action items
208 2012-05-10T18:38:33 <ThomasWaldmann> xiaq: i put a XXX into 13 a while ago, you answered, but you didn't notice that you meta list is missing something like that
209 2012-05-10T18:38:45 *** DasIch-m
210 2012-05-10T18:39:47 <ThomasWaldmann> something "type" like
211 2012-05-10T18:40:06 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: yeah
212 2012-05-10T18:40:07 <dreimark> xiaq: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_item
213 2012-05-10T18:40:38 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: in fact i'm considering making the whole set of "classification property" customizable
214 2012-05-10T18:40:42 <dreimark> as an example different from hard and software
215 2012-05-10T18:40:55 <xiaq> both the set of properties and possible values for each property
216 2012-05-10T18:41:03 <xiaq> that will make a lot of sense -
217 2012-05-10T18:41:40 <xiaq> if the ticket system is to be used for office automation, "version" makes little sense
218 2012-05-10T18:42:26 <ThomasWaldmann> we also can consider just using tags for some stuff (more on that later with the blog project)
219 2012-05-10T18:42:36 <ThomasWaldmann> carefully :)
220 2012-05-10T18:42:54 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: i'm afraid tags won't do that very well
221 2012-05-10T18:43:09 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, thanks xiaq. MaikuMori next.
222 2012-05-10T18:43:11 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: yeah it's a fancy idea that got popular in the web 2.0 age :)
223 2012-05-10T18:43:19 <ThomasWaldmann> xiaq: yes, that's why i said "carefully" :)
224 2012-05-10T18:43:45 <ThomasWaldmann> don't use the hammer if it is not a nail
225 2012-05-10T18:44:24 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: hm, so i guess i'd talk about the remaining issues later?
226 2012-05-10T18:44:33 <MaikuMori> LAST: Haven't done much this week due to amount of homeworks. Checked out several more implementations, read the latest changes on the pad and answered/commented on a few questions.
227 2012-05-10T18:44:46 <ThomasWaldmann> i will be away today evening, but other mentors are maybe here
228 2012-05-10T18:44:56 <MaikuMori> BLOCKERS: None, should have a lot more time next week.
229 2012-05-10T18:45:13 <MaikuMori> NEXT: Same as last week.
230 2012-05-10T18:45:27 <ThomasWaldmann> lol
231 2012-05-10T18:45:42 <ThomasWaldmann> i mean the "same as last week"
232 2012-05-10T18:46:17 <MaikuMori> Sadly, yeah :(
233 2012-05-10T18:46:19 <xiaq> MaikuMori: homework is uncountable according to my English edu :) however "assignment" is countable :)
234 2012-05-10T18:46:21 <ThomasWaldmann> ah, at least the misc section got cleaned up
235 2012-05-10T18:47:05 <MaikuMori> There are some good ideas, but I feel a lot of the things are making the scope too big.
236 2012-05-10T18:47:09 <ThomasWaldmann> the plugin system maybe should get some review by waldi also
237 2012-05-10T18:47:27 <waldi> yep, it is on my list
238 2012-05-10T18:48:31 *** DasIch-m
239 2012-05-10T18:49:48 <MaikuMori> I'll start by cleaning it up a bit after long sleep in the weekend. I'm a bit burned out with 3h of sleep whole week.
240 2012-05-10T18:50:21 <ThomasWaldmann> oh, yeah :| don't code/design when tired.
241 2012-05-10T18:50:59 <MaikuMori> I'd appriciate a pad session with you ThomasWaldmann so we can narrow it down a bit.
242 2012-05-10T18:51:15 <ThomasWaldmann> i see there is quite some stuff from esyr on that ep, will have a look at all that, too
243 2012-05-10T18:51:33 <ThomasWaldmann> sounds like a busy weekend for me also :D
244 2012-05-10T18:52:19 <MaikuMori> I'll try to get in touch with you during the weekend if you're arround.
245 2012-05-10T18:52:48 * dreimark don't foreget to give your voice on sunday
246 2012-05-10T18:54:23 <ThomasWaldmann> esyr: any comments from you? :)
247 2012-05-10T18:55:25 <dreimark> MaikuMori: xstatic packages work in the given namespace
248 2012-05-10T18:55:43 <dreimark> they are all work
249 2012-05-10T18:55:54 <MaikuMori> I suspect it's because they're not really packages
250 2012-05-10T18:56:03 <MaikuMori> as in they don't have __init__.py in the directory.
251 2012-05-10T18:56:25 <ThomasWaldmann> there is still that 168 "break this into sections" - please fix
252 2012-05-10T18:56:39 <MaikuMori> ThomasWaldmann: can you confirm that?
253 2012-05-10T18:57:23 <ThomasWaldmann> i didn't have namespace package issues myself yet, but if some other people tell some stuff is broken for them, i'll believe
254 2012-05-10T18:58:26 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, time's up. thanks MaikuMori, spy is next.
255 2012-05-10T18:58:47 <spy> LAST: described tags/categories meta keys on etherpad, played with wordpress blog engine
256 2012-05-10T18:58:51 <spy> BLOCKERS: none
257 2012-05-10T18:58:56 <spy> NEXT: continue working on etherpad (reply comments, discuss ordering of items, other meta). Communicating with bloggers and listening to their wishes about the functionality and representation of blogs.
258 2012-05-10T18:59:11 <MaikuMori> dreimark: Did a quick check, seems like I'm wrong. I'll recheck my research regarding that.
259 2012-05-10T18:59:28 <dreimark> MaikuMori: ok
260 2012-05-10T18:59:29 <ThomasWaldmann> progress there could be a bit faster - are you finished now with exams at university, spy?
261 2012-05-10T18:59:53 <esyr> ThomasWaldmann: well, i'm working with ep from time to time.
262 2012-05-10T19:00:22 <spy> not yet, but next week I will be free
263 2012-05-10T19:00:29 <esyr> ThomasWaldmann: there are several critical open questions for me, but the vast majority is pretty clean.
264 2012-05-10T19:00:53 <ThomasWaldmann> spy: comment/fix all those xxx
265 2012-05-10T19:01:09 <spy> ThomasWaldmann: yes, I will
266 2012-05-10T19:01:42 <ThomasWaldmann> esyr: well, I have to read the latest stuff, but last time i looked the picture was not that clear
267 2012-05-10T19:02:16 <ThomasWaldmann> spy: also tell what you mean with those mostly empty sections
268 2012-05-10T19:02:41 <dreimark> spy: or fill in some stuff
269 2012-05-10T19:02:44 <esyr> ThomasWaldmann: well, there's two major points (decision on which) which is critical for further implementation, other is just features.
270 2012-05-10T19:02:59 <dreimark> or remove
271 2012-05-10T19:03:31 <ThomasWaldmann> esyr: maybe tell on EP chat, so everyone is pointed to the critical lines
272 2012-05-10T19:03:38 <esyr> ok.
273 2012-05-10T19:03:39 <dreimark> esyr: if you have time can we delay the plugin discussion a bit
274 2012-05-10T19:03:53 <spy> didn't think a lot, it seems I should look at whoosh in index part
275 2012-05-10T19:04:29 <spy> acls for public and private blogs
276 2012-05-10T19:04:31 <ThomasWaldmann> well, as soon as you want to list/sort some stuff, whoosh is at your service :)
277 2012-05-10T19:04:45 *** DasIch-m
278 2012-05-10T19:05:13 <ThomasWaldmann> (put more details on EP)
279 2012-05-10T19:05:20 <ThomasWaldmann> easier to find there than here
280 2012-05-10T19:05:20 *** DasIch-m
281 2012-05-10T19:05:21 <spy> what we should provide a key like creation date that will not change during further modifications of items
282 2012-05-10T19:05:53 <ThomasWaldmann> yeah. the confusion there is mostly about that itemd in the same line
283 2012-05-10T19:05:59 <ThomasWaldmann> 34
284 2012-05-10T19:06:05 <ThomasWaldmann> *itemid
285 2012-05-10T19:06:33 <spy> ThomasWaldmann: that was just an example
286 2012-05-10T19:06:34 <dreimark> you should do a cleaner separation of the (sub)topics
287 2012-05-10T19:07:22 <dreimark> it is better readable, easier to discuss
288 2012-05-10T19:07:49 <dreimark> from that section we have currently only 3 meta keys
289 2012-05-10T19:08:02 <dreimark> I guess there are more
290 2012-05-10T19:08:08 <ThomasWaldmann> see also 29
291 2012-05-10T19:08:26 <ThomasWaldmann> (we don't need to reinvent existing stuff, but it should be clear what is used how)
292 2012-05-10T19:08:29 <spy> ThomasWaldmann: ok, I see
293 2012-05-10T19:09:22 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, lots todo :)
294 2012-05-10T19:09:40 <dreimark> spy: if you have done some work on ep please announce here
295 2012-05-10T19:09:43 <spy> ThomasWaldmann: yes, agree
296 2012-05-10T19:09:44 <ThomasWaldmann> also try to be more online here and just communicate with us
297 2012-05-10T19:10:09 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, more questions about blog stuff?
298 2012-05-10T19:10:53 <dreimark> not more
299 2012-05-10T19:11:08 <ThomasWaldmann> if not, thanks to spy, last but not least is jaiditya :)
300 2012-05-10T19:11:17 <jaiditya> LAST: Refined the plans on etherpad. Seen the code.
301 2012-05-10T19:11:18 <jaiditya> BLOCKERS: none
302 2012-05-10T19:11:18 <jaiditya> NEXT: Content styling along with colour schemes and fonts. Also work on managing theme template, css, js, images .
303 2012-05-10T19:11:40 <dreimark> working means?
304 2012-05-10T19:11:57 <jaiditya> brain storming
305 2012-05-10T19:12:43 * ThomasWaldmann would like to see more in the section starting from line 12
306 2012-05-10T19:13:34 <ThomasWaldmann> because we already have to deal with 2 themes and i feel that stuff should be improved / thought through first
307 2012-05-10T19:14:22 <jaiditya> content in all the themes would be same, so it has to be decoupled from layout and styling
308 2012-05-10T19:14:48 *** greg_f
309 2012-05-10T19:14:55 <ThomasWaldmann> we need that a bit more precisely :)
310 2012-05-10T19:15:18 <dreimark> e.g. how to impreve out template layout infrastructure
311 2012-05-10T19:15:32 <dreimark> s/impreve out/improve our/
312 2012-05-10T19:15:47 <jaiditya> yup i'll be working on dt
313 2012-05-10T19:16:04 <dreimark> it was just growing, so i guess it has some issues
314 2012-05-10T19:16:43 <ThomasWaldmann> about 4) line 70 - can someone else comment on that? after thinking about that, it pretty much looks like a no-go for most stuff
315 2012-05-10T19:17:14 <waldi> yes
316 2012-05-10T19:18:04 * dreimark agrees too.
317 2012-05-10T19:18:14 <ThomasWaldmann> jaiditya: i am not quite sure how you planned to do that, but if you think it is doable, you should tell now. :)
318 2012-05-10T19:18:22 <jaiditya> i'll agree dt writing converters for all is not possible
319 2012-05-10T19:18:34 <dreimark> this is too complicated to implement and makes more work than expected
320 2012-05-10T19:18:37 <jaiditya> all *markups
321 2012-05-10T19:19:14 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, does it make sense doing it just for text/plain and text/html (being the stuff not needing a converter)?
322 2012-05-10T19:19:36 <jaiditya> yeah
323 2012-05-10T19:19:37 <dreimark> what may be would work is to implement sections and a plain editor
324 2012-05-10T19:20:06 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: if i understood you correctly, that is a different topic, right?
325 2012-05-10T19:20:23 <dreimark> true
326 2012-05-10T19:20:52 <dreimark> but having a text editor for a paragraph is similiar
327 2012-05-10T19:20:56 <ThomasWaldmann> content-editable is just letting the browser (the user) edit whatever it has currently in its dom
328 2012-05-10T19:21:40 <waldi> and the page can do fancy stuff with it
329 2012-05-10T19:22:45 <ThomasWaldmann> jaiditya: until we have a clue about that, move it to the very end
330 2012-05-10T19:22:49 <dreimark> from the experience with fck and ms users, - lots of pain
331 2012-05-10T19:22:56 <ThomasWaldmann> waldi: not sure what you mean, can you add details to EP?
332 2012-05-10T19:22:57 <jaiditya> ok
333 2012-05-10T19:23:22 <ThomasWaldmann> jaiditya: and kill all the content-editable stuff that needs converters
334 2012-05-10T19:23:39 <jaiditya> got that
335 2012-05-10T19:24:19 <ThomasWaldmann> about 6) line 85 - i feel that should be much higher on the list
336 2012-05-10T19:24:29 <dreimark> if http://codemirror.net/ had all markups it may be useful
337 2012-05-10T19:25:41 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: they need a new logo :D
338 2012-05-10T19:26:34 <jaiditya> if not all we can go for what are available ?
339 2012-05-10T19:27:25 <dreimark> jaiditya: rephrase
340 2012-05-10T19:27:33 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, we already have 2 editors
341 2012-05-10T19:27:39 <ThomasWaldmann> a) the simple ugly one
342 2012-05-10T19:27:55 <ThomasWaldmann> b) ckeditor (only triggered for text/html items yet)
343 2012-05-10T19:28:01 <dreimark> improve the ugly one
344 2012-05-10T19:28:11 <ThomasWaldmann> yeah :)
345 2012-05-10T19:28:35 <jaiditya> i mean if all markups are not available at codemirror still we can go for those which are available
346 2012-05-10T19:28:49 <dreimark> yes and just use plain for the others
347 2012-05-10T19:29:10 <ThomasWaldmann> we have to check whether it makes sense. that is an editor for sw developers, but many wiki users are not swdevs.
348 2012-05-10T19:29:56 <dreimark> arndt has it in his cms with some buttons for simple formatting stuff
349 2012-05-10T19:30:18 * xiaq battery running out, needs to go soon
350 2012-05-10T19:30:27 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, we can continue discussing on themes a bit, but the official meeting time is over now.
351 2012-05-10T19:30:56 <xiaq> since my laptop battery is running out...
352 2012-05-10T19:31:04 <xiaq> i'll settle some remaining issues tomorrow
353 2012-05-10T19:31:17 <dreimark> xiaq: ok, and it is late for you already
354 2012-05-10T19:31:34 <ThomasWaldmann> I'ld like to see much more activity on themes ideas, a good priorization "what does moin2 need most, what can be done later".
355 2012-05-10T19:32:12 <jaiditya> i think even for not swdevs it looks goo
356 2012-05-10T19:32:19 <jaiditya> good*
357 2012-05-10T19:32:21 <ThomasWaldmann> but for now, I have to leave also (have another meeting since 5 minutes... and I am not physically there even)
358 2012-05-10T19:32:45 <xiaq> gn, going to zzz
359 2012-05-10T19:33:24 <dreimark> gn
360 2012-05-10T19:34:05 <jaiditya> dreimark: i think even for not swdevs while editing if syntax is hilighted its easy for them to make changes
361 2012-05-10T19:34:55 <dreimark> yes, me too. there are also some other posibilities e.g. the uml editor
362 2012-05-10T19:35:06 <dreimark> which is of course not most needed
363 2012-05-10T19:35:26 <dreimark> but i like the idea not to add various other libs for such functions
364 2012-05-10T19:35:53 <jaiditya> agreed
365 2012-05-10T19:37:19 <dreimark> such improvemetns are very welcome, you should look through the wiki
366 2012-05-10T19:37:31 <dreimark> and just get an impression I like to have that different
367 2012-05-10T19:37:40 <dreimark> and we are interested to see that in the pad
368 2012-05-10T19:37:56 <jaiditya> ok i'll put that up..
369 2012-05-10T19:38:12 <dreimark> so we can discuss various interests before it becomes implemented and ... refactored or removed
370 2012-05-10T19:39:20 <jaiditya> dreimark: i am still nt over with dt problem regarding login. I have to create different users in every session..
371 2012-05-10T19:42:46 <dreimark> jaiditya: i know see bug report. but i don't have to create new users.
372 2012-05-10T19:42:51 <dreimark> i have only one for now
373 2012-05-10T19:43:43 <dreimark> jaiditya: what steps do you do if you return to a session
374 2012-05-10T19:43:47 <dreimark> I do
375 2012-05-10T19:43:51 <jaiditya> i have the report n tried everything
376 2012-05-10T19:44:04 <jaiditya> seen*
377 2012-05-10T19:44:10 <dreimark> cd moin-2.0
378 2012-05-10T19:44:24 <dreimark> source env/bin/activate
379 2012-05-10T19:44:25 <dreimark> moin
380 2012-05-10T19:44:30 <dreimark> then login
381 2012-05-10T19:44:40 <jaiditya> yup
382 2012-05-10T19:45:03 <dreimark> and for me i can repeat that without having to create a new user account
383 2012-05-10T19:45:12 <jaiditya> actually my server it running non stop frm past 4 days
384 2012-05-10T19:45:38 <jaiditya> bt problem is manyitmes session expires
385 2012-05-10T19:45:47 <jaiditya> many times
386 2012-05-10T19:45:52 <dreimark> jaiditya: hmm, have you installed it
387 2012-05-10T19:46:00 <jaiditya> yeah
388 2012-05-10T19:46:09 <dreimark> don't do that
389 2012-05-10T19:46:28 <dreimark> please report that to the issue
390 2012-05-10T19:46:44 <dreimark> because we all use it currently in the place where the repository is
391 2012-05-10T19:47:24 <jaiditya> by installed u meant installing moin2 roght ?
392 2012-05-10T19:47:40 <jaiditya> right*
393 2012-05-10T19:47:58 <dreimark> yes, i mean do you run it with a webserver?
394 2012-05-10T19:48:19 <dreimark> we don't we use the werkzeug server for developing
395 2012-05-10T19:48:27 <jaiditya> yeah
396 2012-05-10T19:48:45 <jaiditya> ohh...
397 2012-05-10T19:48:49 <jaiditya> i see
398 2012-05-10T19:49:34 <dreimark> for developing it is much easier to use the werkzeug server
399 2012-05-10T19:50:00 <dreimark> I guess we have more server related issues
400 2012-05-10T19:50:47 <dreimark> /we don't we use the werkzeug server for developing/we don't we use the webserver server for developin/
401 2012-05-10T19:51:18 <jaiditya> ok
402 2012-05-10T19:53:13 <dreimark> at the time we go into beta phase or a bit before we check all deployment schemes we can easily access
403 2012-05-10T19:54:12 <dreimark> but as long we have much to do it makes only more work, which may also be less if we fix all bugs we find
404 2012-05-10T19:54:59 <dreimark> with the standalone server
405 2012-05-10T19:56:27 <jaiditya> yeah. and for the next tow days i would not be Available as college session has ended n i'd be travelling home.
406 2012-05-10T19:56:53 <jaiditya> so i should put that on ep chat or project page
407 2012-05-10T19:57:13 <jaiditya> two*
408 2012-05-10T19:57:33 <dreimark> ok
409 2012-05-10T19:57:48 <dreimark> this is how arndt uses the editor http://www.poolyx.net/cms/root.html
410 2012-05-10T19:59:16 <dreimark> and tinymce
411 2012-05-10T19:59:53 <dreimark> it does not mean that you have to make the same for m2
412 2012-05-10T20:00:11 <dreimark> just if you want some ideas someone else has
413 2012-05-10T20:00:50 <jaiditya> yeah iis gr8 and very helpful
414 2012-05-10T20:00:55 <jaiditya> its*
415 2012-05-10T20:01:54 <jaiditya> i think i'll have a closer look at it first and come up with something suitable for moin2
416 2012-05-10T20:02:21 <dreimark> a draft is also welcome
417 2012-05-10T20:02:36 <dreimark> and don't forget m2 is a wiki not a cms
418 2012-05-10T20:02:53 <dreimark> it needs easy and secure access to content
419 2012-05-10T20:03:08 <jaiditya> yeah
420 2012-05-10T21:50:47 *** jaiditya
421 2012-05-10T23:15:14 <ThomasWaldmann> re
