1 2012-05-17T00:45:55 <eSyr-ng> ThomasWaldmann: dreimark: http://codereview.appspot.com/6216048/diff2
2 2012-05-17T00:48:36 <eSyr-ng> hmm.
3 2012-05-17T00:48:39 <eSyr-ng> ThomasWaldmann: dreimark: http://codereview.appspot.com/6216048/diff2/1:5/MoinMoin/action/rss_rc.py
4 2012-05-17T01:17:16 * ThomasWaldmann looks
5 2012-05-17T01:26:47 <ThomasWaldmann> eSyr-ng: review done
6 2012-05-17T01:27:33 <eSyr-ng> thanks!
7 2012-05-17T01:27:38 <eSyr-ng> where i should commit this to?
8 2012-05-17T01:28:50 <eSyr-ng> (mmm, push)
9 2012-05-17T01:32:32 <eSyr-ng> (and currently the change spread across 18 commits, trying to stash it with histedit)
10 2012-05-17T01:32:40 <eSyr-ng> *is spread
11 2012-05-17T01:34:01 <ThomasWaldmann> well, if you are quite sure not to break anything, do a few clean changesets and commit to main repo
12 2012-05-17T01:34:19 <ThomasWaldmann> otherwise fork on bitbucket and publish stuff there
13 2012-05-17T01:35:56 <eSyr-ng> well, hope it shouldn't
14 2012-05-17T01:36:23 <ThomasWaldmann> we can run it for a while on moinmo.in
15 2012-05-17T01:36:25 <eSyr-ng> i'm testing it on some live instance, looks working.
16 2012-05-17T01:38:25 <ThomasWaldmann> do you frequently use rss feeds?
17 2012-05-17T01:39:15 <eSyr-ng> constantly, that's why i finally do this change :)
18 2012-05-17T02:04:48 <ThomasWaldmann> good :)
19 2012-05-17T03:01:36 *** dwcramer
20 2012-05-17T03:28:40 *** dwcramer
21 2012-05-17T03:32:06 *** dwcramer
22 2012-05-17T04:20:37 <eSyr-ng> ThomasWaldmann: http://rn0.ru/show/4UugRdKjBORVTCEAneVp/
23 2012-05-17T04:22:03 <eSyr-ng> ThomasWaldmann: also, ready to commit, commit summary: http://rn0.ru/show/9mRDpVmTRvN56YKCkYz3/ (aformentioned change to docs/CHANGES is not commited yet, though)
24 2012-05-17T04:28:21 <eSyr-ng> dreimark: ^^^
25 2012-05-17T04:34:10 *** dwcramer
26 2012-05-17T04:48:12 *** dwcramer
27 2012-05-17T06:14:27 <xiaq> index code in items/__init__.py:Item seems needing a refactor...
28 2012-05-17T06:15:07 <xiaq> feels too complicated...
29 2012-05-17T06:16:13 *** dwcramer
30 2012-05-17T07:35:47 <eSyr-ng> xiaq: you mean item_default/item_limit?
31 2012-05-17T07:36:17 <eSyr-ng> well, generic approach if common, if some 2-element tuple would be better, it can be done.
32 2012-05-17T07:46:45 <xiaq> xiaq: get_index, flat_index, get_detailed_index, ...
33 2012-05-17T08:22:14 *** MattMaker
34 2012-05-17T08:24:08 *** MattMaker
35 2012-05-17T08:54:41 *** MattMaker
36 2012-05-17T10:42:55 *** breton
37 2012-05-17T10:43:00 *** breton
38 2012-05-17T11:13:53 *** greg_f
39 2012-05-17T14:17:52 *** jaiditya
40 2012-05-17T14:37:18 *** dwcramer
41 2012-05-17T14:43:19 <eSyr-ng> ThomasWaldmann: dreimark: today i'll probably be afk at the time of weekly meeting, sorry.
42 2012-05-17T14:45:03 <breton> ThomasWaldmann: so, how do I upload changes? Send pull request on bitbucket?
43 2012-05-17T14:45:54 *** dwcramer
44 2012-05-17T14:56:30 <ThomasWaldmann> moin
45 2012-05-17T14:56:46 <xiaq> moin
46 2012-05-17T14:57:15 <ThomasWaldmann> breton: first finish reviews, then commit to your bitbucket repo, then pull request
47 2012-05-17T15:00:20 * xiaq is reading storage code
48 2012-05-17T15:00:35 <xiaq> a question: what's the relation between Item and Revision?
49 2012-05-17T15:01:01 <xiaq> appeared in several middleware modules, but i suppose the semantics should be consistent across them
50 2012-05-17T15:02:02 <ThomasWaldmann> eSyr-ng: looks good. please do an own review, practical test (as I said, I don't use rss regularly, so you know better what to expect there anyway)
51 2012-05-17T15:02:47 <ThomasWaldmann> then commit to moin/1.9 main repo. and change the getattr to cfg.xxx
52 2012-05-17T15:03:16 <xiaq> aha
53 2012-05-17T15:03:25 <xiaq> seems an item is just a collection of revisions
54 2012-05-17T15:03:35 <xiaq> according to http://moinmo.in/MoinMoin2.0#Mimetype_items
55 2012-05-17T15:03:39 <ThomasWaldmann> xiaq: in the storage, only revisions exist. but some revisions share the same itemid, so an item is just the set of all revs sharing the same itemid.
56 2012-05-17T15:04:51 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: how do we avoid getting "old" revisions when searching then? how is that done?
57 2012-05-17T15:05:58 <ThomasWaldmann> there are 2 indexes, all and latest
58 2012-05-17T15:06:45 <xiaq> got it
59 2012-05-17T15:08:09 <ThomasWaldmann> breton: ^^ btw, that has to be reconsidered respective to heads/branches maybe
60 2012-05-17T15:08:49 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: Item.get_index (in items/__init__.py) perhaps needed to be refactored out...
61 2012-05-17T15:09:15 <xiaq> i saw several places calling it and only using the first tuple members...
62 2012-05-17T15:11:55 <xiaq> also it returns a list of tuples with information extracted from Item objects
63 2012-05-17T15:12:04 <xiaq> no, Revision objects
64 2012-05-17T15:12:19 <xiaq> which seems to be the job of templating codes
65 2012-05-17T15:12:49 * xiaq thought of these because there seems no good place to add "summary" here...
66 2012-05-17T15:13:39 <xiaq> (unless we refactor get_index out perhaps)
67 2012-05-17T15:15:00 <breton> ThomasWaldmann: err, what has to be reconsidered? I am about switching from 1 paretid to multiple ones
68 2012-05-17T15:15:47 <ThomasWaldmann> xiaq: well, think about how exactly to improve it
69 2012-05-17T15:16:25 <ThomasWaldmann> breton: well, currently there is 1 current revision (== 1 head)
70 2012-05-17T15:16:27 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: introduce get_subitems which return list of Item objects instead
71 2012-05-17T15:17:11 <ThomasWaldmann> breton: but if you do your project, there will be multiple heads and "current" might be determined differently
72 2012-05-17T15:17:26 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: one downside i can think of is the possible overhead of creating an Item (as in items/__init__.py)
73 2012-05-17T15:17:59 *** kanha_
74 2012-05-17T15:18:18 <xiaq> also, it seems Item and it subclasses (in items/__init__.py) are wrappers around Revision in storage - better document that...
75 2012-05-17T15:18:26 <xiaq> the term is confusing...
76 2012-05-17T15:18:41 *** kanha
77 2012-05-17T15:20:53 <xiaq> calling the submodule "item" feels a bit confusing too - in Roundup such things are called "HTMLItem", the name is not that appropriate but does make a lot of sense (suggesting it's intended for frontend stuff)
78 2012-05-17T15:20:53 <breton> ThomasWaldmann: http://etherpad.osuosl.org/moin2-bms please, to keep the whole history there. You are talking now about 27-34 now, right?
79 2012-05-17T15:21:13 <breton> s/now//
80 2012-05-17T15:24:14 <ThomasWaldmann> added it there. btw, your git stuff is not helpful (for me), as I don't know git. so maybe abstract from git to make it more useful.
81 2012-05-17T15:24:27 <breton> ok.
82 2012-05-17T15:25:11 <ThomasWaldmann> xiaq: yes, we have storage/low-level items and higher-level Items
83 2012-05-17T15:25:54 *** dwcramer
84 2012-05-17T15:28:20 *** dave_largo
85 2012-05-17T15:33:38 <breton> ooh, now I got it. Didn't follow the chat.
86 2012-05-17T15:37:31 <ThomasWaldmann> maybe the results of that thinking solve another problem also :D
87 2012-05-17T15:40:14 <breton> ThomasWaldmann: http://codereview.appspot.com/6209073
88 2012-05-17T15:47:09 * ThomasWaldmann looks
89 2012-05-17T15:47:40 *** dwcramer
90 2012-05-17T15:57:30 <ThomasWaldmann> breton: done
91 2012-05-17T16:08:19 *** dwcramer
92 2012-05-17T16:18:27 <ThomasWaldmann> breton: see ep chat
93 2012-05-17T16:38:50 <DasIch> made a couple of changes to http://etherpad.osuosl.org/moin2-PasteBin see chat on the page
94 2012-05-17T16:53:57 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: summary meta key patch updated, see cr http://codereview.appspot.com/6188064/
95 2012-05-17T17:17:06 <dreimark> eSyr-ng: ok, also thx for the unicode fix
96 2012-05-17T17:25:01 <jaiditya> dreimark: codemirror does nt support all the markups we have ...
97 2012-05-17T17:27:59 <jaiditya> xml/html/reST these three are supported...
98 2012-05-17T17:28:46 <ThomasWaldmann> xiaq: looking now
99 2012-05-17T17:30:20 <dreimark> breton: added some comments too
100 2012-05-17T17:31:40 <dreimark> jaiditya: is it similar to pygments to add a new markup? how complicated is it to derivate from the logic how it is made for reST?
101 2012-05-17T17:33:51 <jaiditya> i havn't seen how to add a new markup to it...
102 2012-05-17T17:41:11 *** DasIch_
103 2012-05-17T17:42:27 <breton> ThomasWaldmann: dreimark: http://codereview.appspot.com/6209073/
104 2012-05-17T17:42:46 <dreimark> xiaq: I added some comments
105 2012-05-17T17:43:25 *** DasIch
106 2012-05-17T17:43:26 *** DasIch_
107 2012-05-17T17:50:30 <ThomasWaldmann> xiaq: done
108 2012-05-17T17:52:35 *** spy
109 2012-05-17T17:55:05 <ThomasWaldmann> meetings time in few minutes
110 2012-05-17T17:55:15 <ThomasWaldmann> -s
111 2012-05-17T17:56:55 *** dwcramer
112 2012-05-17T17:58:18 <ThomasWaldmann> maybe as the very first topic before we go into details: can we reschedule the meeting time for the coding phase?
113 2012-05-17T17:58:26 *** DasIch-m
114 2012-05-17T17:59:07 <ThomasWaldmann> we could just modify/update the doodle (as some of you have different free time soon, i think it might give us a better meeting time)
115 2012-05-17T17:59:42 * dreimark agrees
116 2012-05-17T18:00:19 <DasIch> ThomasWaldmann: I'm open to it. Is there any particular reason to do it?
117 2012-05-17T18:02:36 <ThomasWaldmann> yeah, see above + it is a bit unpractical for me as i have another date at this time every 2 weeks.
118 2012-05-17T18:03:02 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, see wiki page: http://moinmo.in/GoogleSoc2012
119 2012-05-17T18:03:17 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, now to the details. breton can you begin?
120 2012-05-17T18:03:49 <breton> err, one moment
121 2012-05-17T18:05:31 * spy on phone in the car, sorry for some network issues
122 2012-05-17T18:05:42 <breton> LAST: etherpad mostly, refined branching and syncing part; a small fix to code (from 1 parentid to many)
123 2012-05-17T18:05:46 <breton> BLOCKERS: none
124 2012-05-17T18:05:48 <breton> NEXT: decide on branches, start coding them
125 2012-05-17T18:06:30 <ThomasWaldmann> spy: thanks for trying hard :) do you have some preference for you post (rather sooner or later?)
126 2012-05-17T18:07:08 <ThomasWaldmann> breton: next week is not coding phase, right?
127 2012-05-17T18:07:28 <breton> err
128 2012-05-17T18:07:31 <breton> isn't it?
129 2012-05-17T18:07:53 <dreimark> it is
130 2012-05-17T18:08:07 <breton> May 21: - Students begin coding for their GSoC projects;
131 2012-05-17T18:08:15 <ThomasWaldmann> ehrm, sorry, i misinterpreted the google calendar
132 2012-05-17T18:08:35 <ThomasWaldmann> (the graphical part of it)
133 2012-05-17T18:08:39 <DasIch> tomorrow tax forms and proof of enrollments have to be submitted btw.
134 2012-05-17T18:09:05 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, so everybody should have a good plan until may 20 :)
135 2012-05-17T18:10:04 <ThomasWaldmann> breton: didn't see your output about indexing, will it come soon to the EP?
136 2012-05-17T18:10:19 <breton> ThomasWaldmann: yep, today
137 2012-05-17T18:10:41 <breton> ThomasWaldmann: look there after the meeting
138 2012-05-17T18:12:16 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, any specific questions from/to breton?
139 2012-05-17T18:12:37 <breton> yes
140 2012-05-17T18:13:27 <breton> oh, nevermidd, none.
141 2012-05-17T18:13:35 <dreimark> merge needs locking or?
142 2012-05-17T18:14:07 <ThomasWaldmann> no
143 2012-05-17T18:14:36 <dreimark> what happens if an item is edited on the browser while someone else merges it?
144 2012-05-17T18:14:43 <spy> ThomasWaldmann: rather later
145 2012-05-17T18:14:47 <ThomasWaldmann> then you will have to merge again
146 2012-05-17T18:14:55 <ThomasWaldmann> but a part of the work will be done
147 2012-05-17T18:15:04 <ThomasWaldmann> spy: ok, let's try
148 2012-05-17T18:15:48 <dreimark> the one with the stuff in the browser can be annoyed
149 2012-05-17T18:15:49 <ThomasWaldmann> and in general, we maybe will try to avoid merging in favour of rebasing
150 2012-05-17T18:16:15 <ThomasWaldmann> well, you have to live with that
151 2012-05-17T18:16:28 <dreimark> ok
152 2012-05-17T18:16:30 <ThomasWaldmann> only hard locking and a collab editor can avoid that
153 2012-05-17T18:17:04 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, thanks breton (we'll continue on EP later), next is DasIch.
154 2012-05-17T18:18:13 <DasIch> LAST: Rewrote and discussed a couple of things on the etherpad.
155 2012-05-17T18:18:43 <DasIch> A couple of things (highlighting/rendering, multi-file support, report system are a lot more concrete now)
156 2012-05-17T18:19:33 <DasIch> BLOCKING: nothing really but collaboration is needed on the render_method part with the issue tracker project ( xiaq ?) because I have the same problem, in that contenttype is not sufficient
157 2012-05-17T18:19:38 <ThomasWaldmann> yup, some more todo there, though :)
158 2012-05-17T18:19:42 <breton> // offtop. doodle seems to be blocked or something, because there is nothing after 2012-05-24
159 2012-05-17T18:19:57 <breton> // or nothing was planned there yet.
160 2012-05-17T18:20:03 <DasIch> breton: ignore the dates
161 2012-05-17T18:20:11 <DasIch> breton: it's just about the weekdays
162 2012-05-17T18:20:20 <ThomasWaldmann> DasIch: xiaq: spy: you all have that same issue "render_method"
163 2012-05-17T18:20:42 <breton> oh. I though I need to do it somewhen after 05-24. Sorry.
164 2012-05-17T18:20:59 <DasIch> do we create a pad for render_method?
165 2012-05-17T18:21:01 <ThomasWaldmann> lazy reusage of existing doodle :)
166 2012-05-17T18:21:05 <dreimark> breton: it was last time the same idea
167 2012-05-17T18:21:07 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: yeah i hope we can discuss and resolve this in this weekend
168 2012-05-17T18:22:02 <ThomasWaldmann> DasIch: xiaq: spy: maybe create a common EP on that topic, you all need that stuff
169 2012-05-17T18:22:44 <ThomasWaldmann> http://moinmo.in/GoogleSoc2012 see "common todo" section there
170 2012-05-17T18:23:23 <ThomasWaldmann> http://etherpad.osuosl.org/moin-render-method
171 2012-05-17T18:23:29 <DasIch> anyway… NEXT: render_method, API design and Authentication (regarding possible differences)
172 2012-05-17T18:23:30 <eSyr> (well, i'm here)
173 2012-05-17T18:24:38 <dreimark> that is meant in parallel because you should not be blocked by the render_method
174 2012-05-17T18:24:44 <dreimark> or?
175 2012-05-17T18:25:19 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: please rephrase
176 2012-05-17T18:25:47 <DasIch> dreimark: obviously
177 2012-05-17T18:26:24 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: this is not an ordered list
178 2012-05-17T18:26:38 *** dwcramer
179 2012-05-17T18:26:50 <waldi> moin
180 2012-05-17T18:27:03 * ThomasWaldmann does not understand, sorry.
181 2012-05-17T18:27:23 <dreimark> NEXT: render_method,
182 2012-05-17T18:27:46 <DasIch> ThomasWaldmann: the question was whether I will work on these items in order, the answer was no
183 2012-05-17T18:28:14 <ThomasWaldmann> well, I assumed that to be self-organising anyway
184 2012-05-17T18:28:42 *** greg_f
185 2012-05-17T18:28:46 <ThomasWaldmann> DasIch: more work on EP later today?
186 2012-05-17T18:28:53 <DasIch> ThomasWaldmann: indeed
187 2012-05-17T18:29:02 <ThomasWaldmann> currently no special questions from me, anyone else?
188 2012-05-17T18:29:05 <DasIch> I have a long weekend which I'm planning to use
189 2012-05-17T18:29:27 * dreimark not
190 2012-05-17T18:29:48 <dreimark> (a special question)
191 2012-05-17T18:29:59 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, thanks DasIch, next is xiaq.
192 2012-05-17T18:30:15 <xiaq> LAST: Cleaned up much of EP note; worked on summary meta data; went through whoosh doc; studied Jinja docs and frontend view codes while working on summary meta key
193 2012-05-17T18:30:19 <xiaq> BLOCKER: None
194 2012-05-17T18:30:26 <xiaq> NEXT: (This is the last week of the planning stage...) Work on the index and metadata editor part - the index part doesn't look too hard (the mechanism are all in place, just need some frontend and template codes perhaps), while the metadata editor idea needs much work. Better reach a resolution on how ticket schemas is to be implemented - metadata editor needs a well-defined schema mechanism that too
195 2012-05-17T18:32:34 <ThomasWaldmann> apropos metadata editing: this is also something likely many of you need (for one key or another), so you should work more together, see also that common todo etherpad linked from the wikipage
196 2012-05-17T18:32:50 <eSyr> [offtopic] ThomasWaldmann is it ok if i commit changes to docs/CHANGES also?
197 2012-05-17T18:32:58 <dreimark> eSyr: yes
198 2012-05-17T18:33:00 <ThomasWaldmann> eSyr: sure
199 2012-05-17T18:33:02 <eSyr> ok.
200 2012-05-17T18:33:54 * ThomasWaldmann has a quick look at xiaq's EP
201 2012-05-17T18:35:07 <dreimark> the metadata editor should not to restricted to current usage of meta key, value, types
202 2012-05-17T18:35:15 <xiaq> dreimark: sure
203 2012-05-17T18:35:23 <ThomasWaldmann> xiaq: can you move render_method stuff to the other ep and link it from your ep?
204 2012-05-17T18:35:41 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: will do that
205 2012-05-17T18:36:31 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: proposed "metaschema" and "render_method" are correlated in the case of my project. what's the situation in other people's projects?
206 2012-05-17T18:36:39 <ThomasWaldmann> dynamic value set definition - any opinion?
207 2012-05-17T18:36:47 <ThomasWaldmann> (line 176)
208 2012-05-17T18:36:54 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: i.e. "render method" and meta schema are coupled
209 2012-05-17T18:36:56 <dreimark> widgets should be possible to exchange, e.g. if something has to become a list while it was defined as scalar
210 2012-05-17T18:37:26 <dreimark> (type change should be possible)
211 2012-05-17T18:37:44 <ThomasWaldmann> well, i think blog and pastebin needs less extendability
212 2012-05-17T18:39:04 <dreimark> the worsest thing with those widgets usually is that you have to use a different editor to get it doing what you need/want
213 2012-05-17T18:39:45 <dreimark> that is one of the reasons why we like source and don't have guis for everything
214 2012-05-17T18:40:50 <dreimark> it is not mandatory but it should be possible
215 2012-05-17T18:41:20 <dreimark> I don't want two kind of meta editors as we have for items yet
216 2012-05-17T18:42:21 <xiaq> dreimark: hm, what two kinds?
217 2012-05-17T18:42:33 <dreimark> we have fckeditor and textbox
218 2012-05-17T18:42:56 <dreimark> you can see fckeditor similar to widget
219 2012-05-17T18:43:16 <dreimark> and the textbox can do everything also stupid things
220 2012-05-17T18:43:36 <xiaq> dreimark: so why not two editors?
221 2012-05-17T18:43:57 *** dwcramer
222 2012-05-17T18:44:05 <dreimark> if conversion works I like two too.
223 2012-05-17T18:44:29 <ThomasWaldmann> i think the fundamental widgets should be identical, but which of them are offered might depend on the view / on the item type / render_method.
224 2012-05-17T18:44:39 <dreimark> in 1.9 the conversion from html (fck) to text had lots of issues
225 2012-05-17T18:44:56 <ThomasWaldmann> and can we stay on topic please?
226 2012-05-17T18:45:05 <dreimark> yes
227 2012-05-17T18:45:18 <ThomasWaldmann> fck and converter stuff is completely unrelated
228 2012-05-17T18:45:35 <dreimark> it was an example for widgets - but i stop here
229 2012-05-17T18:46:19 <ThomasWaldmann> for metadata we have much simpler values. usually most basic datatypes + lists of them.
230 2012-05-17T18:47:29 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, time's over, thanks xiaq, next is MaikuMori.
231 2012-05-17T18:47:45 * xiaq working on EP...
232 2012-05-17T18:48:19 <MaikuMori> LAST: Worked a bit on EP, thought about few other distribution options (eggs), but doesn't seem reasonable.
233 2012-05-17T18:49:02 <MaikuMori> Blockers: Last of time mostly, I also misunderstood the calendar a bit.
234 2012-05-17T18:49:32 <ThomasWaldmann> do you mean "lack of time"?
235 2012-05-17T18:50:01 <MaikuMori> NEXT: Invest a lot time in EP (thinking about taking some time off the university stuff). Finish the spec so it's easy to start working on barebone implementation.
236 2012-05-17T18:50:04 <MaikuMori> ThomasWaldmann: yes.
237 2012-05-17T18:51:12 <MaikuMori> I like the idea by Ronny. Working backwards from the components
238 2012-05-17T18:51:46 <MaikuMori> Just to see what's needed and how it could look.
239 2012-05-17T18:52:43 <ThomasWaldmann> well, we have a lot of facts and ideas on the EP, but there is no real plan yet.
240 2012-05-17T18:52:55 <MaikuMori> Exactly my thoughts
241 2012-05-17T18:53:37 <dreimark> how long do you need to evaluate ronnys idea?
242 2012-05-17T18:53:39 <MaikuMori> I'm thinking about making summaries for each section and make a decision about which path to take.
243 2012-05-17T18:54:18 <dreimark> and while doing this can you also look through the sections and try to weight them
244 2012-05-17T18:54:19 <MaikuMori> I think it works, don't have to evaluate that. It's probably the best way to come up with interfaces.
245 2012-05-17T18:54:41 <MaikuMori> Another thing is implementing signals in meaningful places in the code code.
246 2012-05-17T18:54:56 <MaikuMori> core*
247 2012-05-17T18:55:17 <ThomasWaldmann> maybe we could also have a common EP session, and just go through all the stuff top-down again with multiple people
248 2012-05-17T18:55:20 <dreimark> eSyr: is there still a conflict with your ideas?
249 2012-05-17T18:55:42 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: ok
250 2012-05-17T18:56:03 <MaikuMori> ThomasWaldmann: that would be nice.
251 2012-05-17T18:56:41 <MaikuMori> 19th during day is that a good time?
252 2012-05-17T18:56:58 <ThomasWaldmann> make a doodle :)
253 2012-05-17T18:57:20 <ThomasWaldmann> a tz aware one, to be precise
254 2012-05-17T18:57:43 <MaikuMori> Yeah I'm thinking in GMT, but yeah
255 2012-05-17T18:59:19 <ThomasWaldmann> maybe publish url at end of meeting when everybody is still looking (plus on your project wiki page)
256 2012-05-17T19:00:49 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, anything quick for right now?
257 2012-05-17T19:01:25 <MaikuMori> Not from me, making the doodle
258 2012-05-17T19:01:55 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, thanks MaikuMori, jaiditya is next (and after jaiditya, spy is last but not least)
259 2012-05-17T19:02:11 <jaiditya> LAST:Content Styling and thoughts over managing themes.
260 2012-05-17T19:02:11 <jaiditya> BLOCKERS: None
261 2012-05-17T19:02:11 <jaiditya> NEXT: More refining of plans on ep before coding begins
262 2012-05-17T19:05:26 <ThomasWaldmann> i am wondering a bit why trivial todo like "move this higher on the priority list" is not being done.
263 2012-05-17T19:05:48 <ThomasWaldmann> see EP 187
264 2012-05-17T19:06:31 <jaiditya> ahh...Its not organized. thought will finally do it at end
265 2012-05-17T19:06:38 <waldi> i still miss a plan how to actually manage themes. there is some "code", but nothing documentation worthy
266 2012-05-17T19:06:46 <ThomasWaldmann> also, i did not put that under zebra stuff, but under content styling
267 2012-05-17T19:07:28 <waldi> jaiditya: please do such things if you see them. we can't see into your head
268 2012-05-17T19:07:30 <ThomasWaldmann> jaiditya: never delay stuff "to the end" that can be done in a second
269 2012-05-17T19:07:57 <jaiditya> sorry.zebra table has been merged in content styling
270 2012-05-17T19:08:09 <dreimark> all what we currently got are individual changes to some bigger picture
271 2012-05-17T19:08:26 <MaikuMori> Plugin meeting doodle: http://www.doodle.com/8epki5kkqu5gip7s
272 2012-05-17T19:08:31 <dreimark> there are some nice examples how it can look like
273 2012-05-17T19:08:56 <dreimark> we also are interested in the big plan, not only in improving our mistakes
274 2012-05-17T19:09:49 <dreimark> the structure picture is something like that
275 2012-05-17T19:12:11 <ThomasWaldmann> well, we have details, but no big picture... - lots todo
276 2012-05-17T19:13:10 <ThomasWaldmann> waldi: you also should get a bit more involved
277 2012-05-17T19:13:22 <waldi> ThomasWaldmann: i know
278 2012-05-17T19:13:41 <ThomasWaldmann> jaiditya: and you should ask good questions :)
279 2012-05-17T19:14:01 <jaiditya> yeah. I think a session is needed over complete ep
280 2012-05-17T19:14:41 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, we are in the last quater now. thanks jaiditya, spy are you ready?
281 2012-05-17T19:14:48 <ThomasWaldmann> quarter*
282 2012-05-17T19:14:58 <spy> LAST: discussed users actions and acls, Atom specific, summary/tieser metakeys. BLOCKERS: common approach to design render_method. NEXT: work mostly on the acls and index. Discuss render_method on collab etherpad
283 2012-05-17T19:16:21 <ThomasWaldmann> spy: did you work on render_method?
284 2012-05-17T19:16:52 <spy> Not yet
285 2012-05-17T19:17:13 *** DasIch-m
286 2012-05-17T19:17:15 <ThomasWaldmann> well, not working on something doesn't make that a blocker :)
287 2012-05-17T19:18:08 <ThomasWaldmann> and just to be clear: solving that problem is the task of every single student.
288 2012-05-17T19:18:19 <spy> Sure. so it is a common issue
289 2012-05-17T19:18:49 <ThomasWaldmann> so you can work together to optimize that, but don't wait for someone else solving it for you. (that is a comment for all involved students)
290 2012-05-17T19:19:51 <ThomasWaldmann> any questions for spy (/me looks at EP ...)
291 2012-05-17T19:20:57 * xiaq needs to exchange battery, bbl
292 2012-05-17T19:21:16 <dreimark> spy: if there is a XXX solved, you should remove it
293 2012-05-17T19:21:28 <spy> Should i think on hierarchical acl due to its possible missing in moin2?
294 2012-05-17T19:22:03 <ThomasWaldmann> try to think about alternatives
295 2012-05-17T19:22:19 <ThomasWaldmann> (for acls, for what you need)
296 2012-05-17T19:23:30 * xiaq back
297 2012-05-17T19:24:18 <ThomasWaldmann> (the acl stuff is maybe not the most urgent thing when considering all blog subtasks, though)
298 2012-05-17T19:24:38 <dreimark> spy: find alternatives for hacl
299 2012-05-17T19:24:52 <dreimark> for your useacase
300 2012-05-17T19:25:16 <spy> I will try
301 2012-05-17T19:26:10 <ThomasWaldmann> also please work on the XXX that are not yet solved
302 2012-05-17T19:26:41 <ThomasWaldmann> and if you have news / stuff to discuss, give EP url and line numbers
303 2012-05-17T19:26:48 <spy> Sure
304 2012-05-17T19:28:18 <ThomasWaldmann> in general, if someone wants a common EP session, you can always try to grab someone on IRC (your mentor, other mentors) or, if that doesn't work, agree on some EP session date
305 2012-05-17T19:29:02 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, seems like we have reached the official end time of our meeting. thanks spy and everybody else, free discussion now.
306 2012-05-17T19:30:50 * xiaq updated cr, plz check
307 2012-05-17T19:30:56 <xiaq> http://codereview.appspot.com/6188064/
308 2012-05-17T19:31:30 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: plz see EP comment
309 2012-05-17T19:31:55 <dreimark> spy: have you thought projects not only user have blog pages?
310 2012-05-17T19:32:33 <ThomasWaldmann> xiaq: /me looks
311 2012-05-17T19:33:11 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: the schema stuff - the metadata editor will need it too
312 2012-05-17T19:34:52 <xiaq> (though we exclude the value set from the schema, for now)
313 2012-05-17T19:36:31 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: how is that different? just a matter of ACLs (if any), right?
314 2012-05-17T19:37:03 <spy> dreimark: do you mean some additional functionality like friends feeds, private messages, social network features?
315 2012-05-17T19:39:06 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: somehow yes, I am thinkting about if we just can use an acl_function blog
316 2012-05-17T19:39:38 <dreimark> currently we have function and group or name assigned to it
317 2012-05-17T19:40:03 <dreimark> e.g. superuser needs no other parameter
318 2012-05-17T19:40:18 <dreimark> but blog will need something to startwith
319 2012-05-17T19:41:47 <dreimark> the other option to solve it is that a group of users works on items like su to the priviledged user
320 2012-05-17T19:41:57 <dreimark> with the rights
321 2012-05-17T19:42:34 <dreimark> spy: these features can be done if time, currently we should get the basics working
322 2012-05-17T19:42:47 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: dealing with blog posts is not much different from dealing with wiki items
323 2012-05-17T19:43:13 <ThomasWaldmann> (from an acl perspective, except that it maybe is a bit more fixed)
324 2012-05-17T19:44:05 <spy> Ok, lets discuss a bit later when i will be on my desktop. Sorry
325 2012-05-17T19:44:12 <dreimark> spy: ok
326 2012-05-17T19:44:13 <ThomasWaldmann> spy: sure :)
327 2012-05-17T19:45:31 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: we have only with create item an issue if not everyone has before admin rights
328 2012-05-17T19:45:56 <dreimark> after create the "wanted" acls are done
329 2012-05-17T19:51:23 *** dwcramer
330 2012-05-17T19:53:38 * xiaq needs to zzz, gn
331 2012-05-17T19:55:53 <ThomasWaldmann> gn xiaq
332 2012-05-17T19:59:17 *** spy
333 2012-05-17T20:01:06 *** spy
334 2012-05-17T20:02:55 *** dwcramer
335 2012-05-17T20:09:13 *** kanha_
336 2012-05-17T20:09:13 *** eSyr
337 2012-05-17T20:09:42 *** spy
338 2012-05-17T20:09:49 *** kanha_
339 2012-05-17T20:11:56 *** eSyr
340 2012-05-17T20:50:06 *** eSyr
341 2012-05-17T20:50:06 *** kanha_
342 2012-05-17T20:50:51 *** kanha_
343 2012-05-17T20:53:12 *** eSyr
344 2012-05-17T21:16:19 *** jaiditya|2
345 2012-05-17T21:17:20 *** jaiditya
346 2012-05-17T22:08:54 *** dwcramer
347 2012-05-17T22:52:54 *** dwcramer
348 2012-05-17T23:03:07 *** dave_largo
349 2012-05-17T23:26:11 *** jaiditya|2
350 2012-05-17T23:27:14 *** dwcramer
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