1 2012-07-26T00:13:47 *** RogerHaase
2 2012-07-26T00:15:02 <dreimark> eSyr-ng: have you done the list?
3 2012-07-26T00:18:17 *** dwcramer
4 2012-07-26T00:18:36 <dreimark> gn
5 2012-07-26T00:48:50 *** dwcramer
6 2012-07-26T01:01:23 *** spy
7 2012-07-26T03:53:20 *** dwcramer
8 2012-07-26T06:01:07 *** dwcramer
9 2012-07-26T06:32:19 *** MattMaker
10 2012-07-26T06:32:42 *** MattMaker
11 2012-07-26T06:45:52 *** dwcramer
12 2012-07-26T06:58:28 *** spy
13 2012-07-26T07:02:53 *** spy
14 2012-07-26T09:10:16 *** spy
15 2012-07-26T09:11:50 *** jaiditya
16 2012-07-26T09:43:31 *** spy
17 2012-07-26T09:45:09 <ThomasWaldmann> moin
18 2012-07-26T10:07:46 <ThomasWaldmann> breton: how is it going? i don't see any calendar updates for 7 days
19 2012-07-26T10:08:48 *** spy
20 2012-07-26T11:32:45 <dreimark> moin
21 2012-07-26T11:47:47 *** greg_f
22 2012-07-26T14:40:16 *** dave_largo
23 2012-07-26T14:54:44 *** kanha_
24 2012-07-26T14:55:06 *** kanha
25 2012-07-26T15:20:51 <MaikuMori> ThomasWaldmann: is there a way to access config globally before application/request contex is established?
26 2012-07-26T15:22:02 <MaikuMori> I need to access config from a function which is being called in create_app, I could pass config as parameter, but then I need to carry it trough ~2-3 functions which won't use it.
27 2012-07-26T15:22:55 *** dwcramer
28 2012-07-26T16:16:46 *** dwcramer
29 2012-07-26T16:33:36 * xiaq starts implementing the ticket index view
30 2012-07-26T16:43:53 <xiaq> http://etherpad.osuosl.org/moin-issue-tracker l243
31 2012-07-26T16:43:54 <xiaq> dreimark: ^^
32 2012-07-26T16:43:56 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: ^^
33 2012-07-26T16:52:43 *** RogerHaase
34 2012-07-26T17:07:31 <spy> xiaq: do you consider that there is only one issue tracker in one moin instance?
35 2012-07-26T17:07:54 <xiaq> spy: haven't considered that yet. good question
36 2012-07-26T17:09:29 *** jaiditya
37 2012-07-26T17:12:08 <spy> in blog implementation I've created +blog/<item> view for a main blog page. This view shows the item and the listing of its subpages. Not sure if it is better to merge this view with the +index one.
38 2012-07-26T17:12:28 <jaiditya> waldi: ThomasWaldmann: dreimark: RogerHaase: I have changed the whole color scheme of Modernized theme though its not complete yet and will push a few more changesets by mid-night https://Jaiditya@bitbucket.org/Jaiditya/moin-2.0
39 2012-07-26T17:15:58 <jaiditya> A screenshot https://dl.dropbox.com/u/43518659/modernized-new.jpg
40 2012-07-26T17:16:12 <jaiditya> bbl
41 2012-07-26T17:18:20 <spy> xiaq: so maybe it would be interesting to have multiple IssueTrackers withing one wiki. Users would be able to create their own Blog and Tracker pages e.g. under their userpages (moinmo.in/xiaq/blog moinmo.in/xiaq/tracker)
42 2012-07-26T17:20:22 <xiaq> spy: imo multiple instances are mostly meant for different configurations (different tracker schemas, different users). for just separate contents, i can just introduce some categorizing metadata property
43 2012-07-26T17:21:57 <xiaq> spy: for the blog, conventional blog implementations most often have two views, a homepage view and an item view
44 2012-07-26T17:24:12 * xiaq peeked into spy's sample site and noticed there are view_method=blog_page and view_method=blog_entry
45 2012-07-26T17:25:15 <xiaq> in my itemtype proposal i would just implement them as itemtype='blog_entry' and itemtype='blog_page'...
46 2012-07-26T17:25:32 <spy> xiaq: sure
47 2012-07-26T17:25:49 <xiaq> the +blog view is quite different from +index, it transcludes items instead of display their metadata
48 2012-07-26T17:26:40 <xiaq> maybe they are not too different, like you get "icon mode", "list mode", "detailed info mode" and "preview mode" in a GUI file manager
49 2012-07-26T17:27:18 <xiaq> current +index is like "list mode" while +blog is somewhat like "preview mode" :)
50 2012-07-26T17:29:03 <spy> nice comparison :)
51 2012-07-26T17:31:54 <xiaq> spy: for the names blog_page and blog_entry, i suggest "blog_home" and "blog_post" which i found a bit clearer. "page" sounds too vague
52 2012-07-26T17:32:33 <ThomasWaldmann> MaikuMori: the "app" request-local only exists within a request currently
53 2012-07-26T17:33:08 <ThomasWaldmann> and AFTER create_app, of course. so if you need something within create_app, you need to pass it around
54 2012-07-26T17:38:54 <spy> xiaq: I also called 'blog_post' at the beginning but then Thomas said that show_blog_post sounds not clear
55 2012-07-26T17:39:49 <spy> withing views definition, where also it could be understood as a POST method
56 2012-07-26T17:41:18 <xiaq> spy: oh :)
57 2012-07-26T17:43:27 <spy> xiaq: what about 'blog_index'?
58 2012-07-26T17:43:45 <spy> instead of blog_page
59 2012-07-26T17:44:36 <xiaq> spy: that's better
60 2012-07-26T17:47:17 <spy> good
61 2012-07-26T17:54:59 *** greg_f
62 2012-07-26T18:10:32 <xiaq> spy: rather than providing the blog home view with +index (which will require an implementation of "gallery view"), perhaps +index can provide the post management view in conventional blogs
63 2012-07-26T18:11:12 <xiaq> spy: the index is also available to visitors, which i found an interesting by-product
64 2012-07-26T18:24:09 <spy> xiaq: what do you mean by post management view?
65 2012-07-26T18:25:33 <xiaq> spy: a page that shows all your posts and allows to delete/modify/etc.
66 2012-07-26T18:28:20 <xiaq> spy: like this one http://xiaq.z.tuna.tsinghua.edu.cn/blog-manage.png
67 2012-07-26T18:28:33 <xiaq> it's chinese but picture speaks :)
68 2012-07-26T18:28:50 <xiaq> i mean the icon speaks :)
69 2012-07-26T18:33:16 <spy> do normal user want to see such +index management view? rather blog editor
70 2012-07-26T18:36:38 <xiaq> spy: it can be useful when eg. i wants to see all posts with a specific tag
71 2012-07-26T18:37:18 <xiaq> spy: most blogs would allow that but instead of giving me just a list gives me a "gallery view" - navigating across that is annoying
72 2012-07-26T18:40:47 <spy> xiaq: look at categories: http://vps.psviderski.name:8080/+blog/myblog
73 2012-07-26T18:41:28 <spy> xiaq: ah, ok I see what you mean
74 2012-07-26T18:41:45 <xiaq> xiaq: supertag? :) i wonder what is it?
75 2012-07-26T18:42:19 <spy> many blog engines has both categories and tags
76 2012-07-26T18:43:23 <xiaq> spy: categories are just mutex tags IMO...
77 2012-07-26T18:43:37 <xiaq> s/mutex/mutually exclusive/
78 2012-07-26T18:43:48 <spy> we decide to unite them. it is a special list of tags (means category), applied for a broad grouping of post topics.
79 2012-07-26T18:44:14 <xiaq> spy: does your playground has your metadata editor patch applied? how do i play with it?
80 2012-07-26T18:46:29 * spy going to say hg qgoto metaeditor :)
81 2012-07-26T18:46:53 <spy> xiaq: try
82 2012-07-26T18:47:59 <xiaq> spy: ahha
83 2012-07-26T18:48:20 <xiaq> spy: hm do you do the development on your vps?
84 2012-07-26T18:49:10 <spy> yeah)
85 2012-07-26T18:50:14 * xiaq going to bed, gn :)
86 2012-07-26T18:50:39 <spy> xiaq: gn ;)
87 2012-07-26T18:50:54 <dreimark> gn
88 2012-07-26T18:59:41 <dreimark> jaiditya: the width of modernized is now fixed, can that easily changed or configured?
89 2012-07-26T19:00:54 <dreimark> colors match better.
90 2012-07-26T19:06:57 <dreimark> nice round edges too
91 2012-07-26T19:58:47 <dreimark> eSyr-ng: have you done the list for MaikuMori ?
92 2012-07-26T20:48:31 *** RogerHaase
93 2012-07-26T21:03:28 *** dwcramer
94 2012-07-26T21:38:09 *** dwcramer
95 2012-07-26T21:56:15 <jaiditya> moin
96 2012-07-26T21:56:47 <jaiditya> dreimark: its not fixed....its flexible according to screen size and I have set a min-width of 700px
97 2012-07-26T21:57:17 <jaiditya> and general width is 80%
98 2012-07-26T21:57:40 <jaiditya> so it will expand according to screen size
99 2012-07-26T21:58:11 <jaiditya> and will also contract but not below 700px
100 2012-07-26T22:03:32 <dreimark> jaiditya: seems not to become 100% width on my screen
101 2012-07-26T22:04:34 <jaiditya> there will always be a 10% margin on both the sides
102 2012-07-26T22:04:51 *** spy
103 2012-07-26T22:04:55 <jaiditya> that way it looks neat
104 2012-07-26T22:05:21 <jaiditya> 12% to be exact
105 2012-07-26T22:05:40 <jaiditya> yeah it can be changed very easily
106 2012-07-26T22:06:02 <dreimark> my screen has wj1280
107 2012-07-26T22:06:04 <dreimark> my screen has wj1280
108 2012-07-26T22:06:12 <dreimark> need more light
109 2012-07-26T22:06:35 <dreimark> so width is 1280
110 2012-07-26T22:06:51 <dreimark> and it is too much free space around
111 2012-07-26T22:07:07 <dreimark> it looks better if I set 800x600
112 2012-07-26T22:07:38 <jaiditya> can you please upload a screenshot of it
113 2012-07-26T22:07:44 <jaiditya> with width 1280
114 2012-07-26T22:09:10 <dreimark> http://test.moinmo.in/width1280
115 2012-07-26T22:16:49 <dreimark> but in general the scaling effect is nice
116 2012-07-26T22:19:36 <jaiditya> It looks normal...but I think I should increase the width by a few percentage
117 2012-07-26T22:20:14 <jaiditya> so a bit less space it wasted
118 2012-07-26T22:20:18 <dreimark> yes
119 2012-07-26T22:24:31 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: did you test spy's stuff? is it ready for merging into main? /me got a pull request.
120 2012-07-26T22:30:16 *** dwcramer
121 2012-07-26T22:47:36 <ThomasWaldmann> hmm, looks mostly harmless :)
122 2012-07-26T22:49:17 <CIA-54> Pavel Sviderski <pavel@psviderski.name> default * 1438:f89fffd81540 2.0/MoinMoin/ (constants/keys.py storage/middleware/indexing.py): Add ptime meta key to blog post items, logo and supertags meta keys to blog home items.
123 2012-07-26T22:49:18 <CIA-54> Pavel Sviderski <pavel@psviderski.name> default * 1439:df07ed7d4f3a 2.0/MoinMoin/script/maint/serialization.py: Fix pep8 issue
124 2012-07-26T22:49:18 <CIA-54> Pavel Sviderski <pavel@psviderski.name> default * 1440:b4d9048ce48a 2.0/MoinMoin/storage/middleware/indexing.py: Change the uppercase variable to lowercase
125 2012-07-26T22:49:19 <CIA-54> Pavel Sviderski <pavel@psviderski.name> default * 1441:f87452b408df 2.0/ (140 files in 30 dirs): merged
126 2012-07-26T22:49:20 <CIA-54> Pavel Sviderski <pavel@psviderski.name> default * 1442:11a61fb8d985 2.0/MoinMoin/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Add simple +blog view and blog template (with tags listing). SUMMARY meta is used as a title link of each blog post.
127 2012-07-26T22:49:21 <CIA-54> Pavel Sviderski <pavel@psviderski.name> default * 1443:7e52a847d5ff 2.0/ (63 files in 28 dirs): merged
128 2012-07-26T22:49:22 <CIA-54> Pavel Sviderski <pavel@psviderski.name> default * 1444:34069422fde1 2.0/MoinMoin/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Add blog_layout template, blog sidebar with 'Categories' widget, simple +post view.
129 2012-07-26T22:49:23 <CIA-54> Pavel Sviderski <pavel@psviderski.name> default * 1445:73901c32f75e 2.0/ (384 files in 70 dirs): merged
130 2012-07-26T22:49:24 <CIA-54> Pavel Sviderski <pavel@psviderski.name> default * 1446:a7c967624de2 2.0/MoinMoin/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Rename blog post to blog entry.
131 2012-07-26T22:49:25 <CIA-54> Pavel Sviderski <pavel@psviderski.name> default * 1447:675eb7e1e8a8 2.0/ (52 files in 25 dirs): merged
132 2012-07-26T22:49:25 <CIA-54> Pavel Sviderski <pavel@psviderski.name> default * 1448:9ab2ca1f385b 2.0/MoinMoin/forms.py: merged
133 2012-07-26T22:49:26 <CIA-54> Pavel Sviderski <pavel@psviderski.name> default * 1449:b472a506db2e 2.0/MoinMoin/ (6 files in 4 dirs): Fix supertags widget. Clicking on supertags modify the filter for the blog entries main listing.
134 2012-07-26T22:50:03 <ThomasWaldmann> xiaq: ^
135 2012-07-26T22:50:08 <ThomasWaldmann> jaiditya: ^
136 2012-07-26T22:50:24 <jaiditya> here
137 2012-07-26T22:52:45 <CIA-54> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 1450:90d02867e144 2.0/MoinMoin/converter/macro.py: macro converter: fix NameError, fixes #219
138 2012-07-26T23:00:40 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: principle ok, some docu with workflow is missing
139 2012-07-26T23:01:38 <dreimark> but it is good to have it merged, current version is without widgets
140 2012-07-26T23:01:55 <dreimark> we should get those early in it so jaiditya can also look at their styles
141 2012-07-26T23:06:04 <ThomasWaldmann> they broke bitbucket :|
142 2012-07-26T23:06:39 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: try editing an issue and whether you can add text
143 2012-07-26T23:08:01 *** dwcramer
144 2012-07-26T23:11:48 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: works for me
145 2012-07-26T23:12:05 <dreimark> https://bitbucket.org/thomaswaldmann/moin-2.0/issue/218/accessdenied-traceback-instead-of-nothing
146 2012-07-26T23:13:27 *** RogerHaase
147 2012-07-26T23:15:40 <ThomasWaldmann> no, you don't expose them
148 2012-07-26T23:15:59 <ThomasWaldmann> the link is already visible in the markup of the readable item
149 2012-07-26T23:16:11 *** dave_largo
150 2012-07-26T23:16:19 <ThomasWaldmann> s/link/transclusion markup/
151 2012-07-26T23:17:33 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, i think we want to generalize PTIME support
152 2012-07-26T23:19:07 <dreimark> ok, to the one who knows how to look on the raw text.
153 2012-07-26T23:20:11 <dreimark> we have this model usually on our frontpage https://tacts.fz-juelich.de/?action=raw
154 2012-07-26T23:20:48 <dreimark> and by some acls we just don't show anonymous some of the includes
155 2012-07-26T23:23:09 <dreimark> it did not improve readabilty if there are signs to show that he has not enough rights
156 2012-07-26T23:23:14 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, so you need it to not show anything at all, otherwise it would be unpretty
157 2012-07-26T23:24:11 <dreimark> if we want to show a user some info, we should do it on request
158 2012-07-26T23:26:35 *** spy
159 2012-07-26T23:26:36 <dreimark> the PTIME mechanism is interesting, sometimes a duration is also intersting
160 2012-07-26T23:27:53 <ThomasWaldmann> i currently don't see why we would not like to have this for any item
161 2012-07-26T23:28:08 <dreimark> i think we want it
162 2012-07-26T23:29:21 <dreimark> what we may be need is a policy to set who is able to change the
163 2012-07-26T23:29:29 <dreimark> value of it
164 2012-07-26T23:30:03 <dreimark> this would implement an approve workflow
165 2012-07-26T23:30:19 <ThomasWaldmann> overkill
166 2012-07-26T23:30:44 <dreimark> and not in our scope for a wiki
167 2012-07-26T23:31:11 <ThomasWaldmann> if you think someone could do harm by changing the PTIME: write access is enough to empty an item, read access is enough to copy the contents and publish them elsewhere
168 2012-07-26T23:33:06 <ThomasWaldmann> so, if we just require write access to change ptime, you can do no more harm than you could do anyway
169 2012-07-26T23:34:10 <dreimark> currently it is on the same item and has same rights as content
170 2012-07-26T23:37:04 <dreimark> if only trusted users could set the ptime value then we have less published spam
171 2012-07-26T23:37:45 *** jaiditya
172 2012-07-26T23:39:52 <dreimark> gn
173 2012-07-26T23:47:18 <ThomasWaldmann> gn dreimark
