1 2013-03-03T01:04:06 *** xorAxAx
2 2013-03-03T01:04:06 *** jek
3 2013-03-03T01:04:26 *** jek
4 2013-03-03T01:04:48 *** xorAxAx
5 2013-03-03T01:41:38 <moinBot> http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/2.0/rev/8300781142e5 2013-03-03 Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> make contenttype values pass the validator (add charset for text), fix namespace and name validators
6 2013-03-03T02:25:46 <moinBot> http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/2.0/rev/2d11470eb41b 2013-03-03 Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> fix userbrowser, enable/disable user
7 2013-03-03T02:28:05 *** MattMaker
8 2013-03-03T02:28:22 *** MattMaker
9 2013-03-03T02:51:21 <moinBot> http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/2.0/rev/e2a235228c0f 2013-03-03 Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> logging: announce moin version, code path. adjust fallback msg logging level.
10 2013-03-03T03:31:24 *** allure
11 2013-03-03T03:31:52 <ThomasWaldmann> hi allure
12 2013-03-03T03:31:58 <allure> hello :) good night everyone
13 2013-03-03T03:33:04 <ThomasWaldmann> would you rather like production code (old code, not that pretty, but still important as it is in production)
14 2013-03-03T03:33:35 <allure> whenever I can be more useful
15 2013-03-03T03:33:39 <allure> ops, wherever*
16 2013-03-03T03:34:05 <ThomasWaldmann> or new, rewritten stuff, using lots of pocoo libs, and hopefully prettier code?
17 2013-03-03T03:34:52 <allure> ThomasWaldmann, My knowledge of python is very limited, so whichever you think would be easier for me code-wise
18 2013-03-03T03:34:58 <ThomasWaldmann> hmm, maybe the newer code is a better target
19 2013-03-03T03:35:13 <ThomasWaldmann> let's think of the future :D
20 2013-03-03T03:35:13 <allure> nice :) if I can be of any help, I am happy
21 2013-03-03T03:35:41 <ThomasWaldmann> http://moinmo.in/MoinMoin2.0 there is a page with all the links
22 2013-03-03T03:36:43 <allure> all right, I will start there :)
23 2013-03-03T03:36:55 <ThomasWaldmann> the code is still much in flux, so some stuff is obviously not yet tightened security
24 2013-03-03T03:37:22 <ThomasWaldmann> but if you find something rather hidden and evil, that would be good to know
25 2013-03-03T03:37:26 <allure> ThomasWaldmann, is there a mailing for me to subscribe?
26 2013-03-03T03:37:37 <ThomasWaldmann> we mostly use irc
27 2013-03-03T03:37:45 <allure> all right
28 2013-03-03T03:37:54 <ThomasWaldmann> the is a moin-user mailing list on sourceforge, but we don't use it much
29 2013-03-03T03:38:32 <ThomasWaldmann> about python: we are doing a lot of mentoring and code review, esp. when summer of code is on
30 2013-03-03T03:38:53 <allure> that would be really good for me
31 2013-03-03T03:39:22 <ThomasWaldmann> if you'ld rather like to code some stuff, see the issue tracker and just talk about it
32 2013-03-03T03:39:38 <allure> cool
33 2013-03-03T03:40:09 <allure> I think I should read most of the code first but, after that, I intend to do some coding as well
34 2013-03-03T03:40:22 <ThomasWaldmann> there are also logs of this channel on the wiki (MoinMoinChat/...)
35 2013-03-03T03:40:57 <allure> Very nice :)
36 2013-03-03T03:41:07 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, after than december cve, we improved password hashes a lot
37 2013-03-03T03:41:13 <ThomasWaldmann> that*
38 2013-03-03T03:43:34 <allure> I guess I can talk to some colleagues on the lab, since some of them are working mostly on encryption, to see if they would participate too
39 2013-03-03T03:43:58 <ThomasWaldmann> we use passlib now, so the pw stuff is mostly outsourced
40 2013-03-03T03:44:11 <allure> oic, seems like a wise choice
41 2013-03-03T03:44:38 <ThomasWaldmann> sha512_crypt default, pbkdf2 or bcrypt optional
42 2013-03-03T03:45:08 <allure> are there any application pentesters on the team?
43 2013-03-03T03:45:15 <ThomasWaldmann> no
44 2013-03-03T03:45:35 <allure> ok
45 2013-03-03T03:46:21 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, the moin2 code is alpha, so some crashes are expected
46 2013-03-03T03:46:44 <ThomasWaldmann> but as it is python, no buffer overflows there :D
47 2013-03-03T03:47:12 <allure> that is already one step further from the pack :)
48 2013-03-03T03:48:12 * ThomasWaldmann coded in C in earlier times, python is like heaven compared to all that lowlevel pain
49 2013-03-03T03:49:24 <allure> oh yes, that is certainly better in python than C!! :)
50 2013-03-03T03:50:14 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, do you think a python IDE would be useful for you?
51 2013-03-03T03:50:33 <ThomasWaldmann> we have a pycharm license for moin devs
52 2013-03-03T03:50:54 <allure> I use mostly Sublime Text 2 and I have a licence for IntelliJ IDEA
53 2013-03-03T03:50:57 <ThomasWaldmann> (which is a quite nice ide)
54 2013-03-03T03:51:12 <ThomasWaldmann> it's from jetbrains also
55 2013-03-03T03:51:13 <allure> not sure if IDEA w/ Python plugins makes it similar to PyCharm or not
56 2013-03-03T03:52:18 * ThomasWaldmann neither, don't now IntelliJ IDEA except by name
57 2013-03-03T03:52:40 <allure> it is pretty good for java.... I feel I can't get back to Eclipse anymore
58 2013-03-03T03:53:05 <allure> well
59 2013-03-03T03:53:14 <allure> I will get back to you further in the future about this :)
60 2013-03-03T03:53:22 <allure> thanks for the offer
61 2013-03-03T03:53:57 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, thanks for offering help. we'll help you with python as well. ;)
62 2013-03-03T03:54:25 <allure> what can I say, everyone uses open source one way or the other
63 2013-03-03T03:54:31 <allure> contributing back will only benefit me :)
64 2013-03-03T03:54:44 <allure> me and everyone else
65 2013-03-03T03:55:11 <ThomasWaldmann> yeah, i also like that
66 2013-03-03T03:55:38 <ThomasWaldmann> every time i touch a new library or framework, i can usually give back a little to improve that also
67 2013-03-03T03:57:41 <allure> feels good and benefits everyone, right? =)
68 2013-03-03T03:58:07 <ThomasWaldmann> yup
69 2013-03-03T04:30:48 *** sunu
70 2013-03-03T04:55:21 *** sunu
71 2013-03-03T05:10:42 <allure> ThomasWaldmann, time to sleep. Thank you for the attention. I sent a message to some people on the university to see if they want to contribute as well. So expect some contacts soon, I guess. Bye!! :)
72 2013-03-03T05:11:09 *** allure
73 2013-03-03T05:47:16 *** rihnapstor
74 2013-03-03T05:47:38 *** rihnapstor
75 2013-03-03T05:47:38 *** rihnapstor
76 2013-03-03T06:21:01 *** rihen_
77 2013-03-03T06:27:09 *** rihnapstor
78 2013-03-03T06:28:50 *** rihen_
79 2013-03-03T06:41:42 *** rihen_
80 2013-03-03T06:51:19 *** xjjk
81 2013-03-03T06:51:19 *** rihen_
82 2013-03-03T06:51:20 *** pooryorick
83 2013-03-03T06:52:29 *** not-xjjk
84 2013-03-03T06:56:58 *** pooryorick
85 2013-03-03T07:09:55 *** rihen_
86 2013-03-03T07:15:12 *** rihen_
87 2013-03-03T07:27:37 *** rihen_
88 2013-03-03T08:10:41 *** rihen_
89 2013-03-03T09:41:49 *** rihnapstor
90 2013-03-03T09:42:10 *** rihnapstor
91 2013-03-03T09:42:10 *** rihnapstor
92 2013-03-03T10:15:54 *** rihnapstor
93 2013-03-03T10:29:11 *** rihnapstor
94 2013-03-03T10:34:22 *** rihnapstor
95 2013-03-03T14:54:34 *** jek_
96 2013-03-03T14:56:46 *** xjjk
97 2013-03-03T15:01:34 *** not-xjjk
98 2013-03-03T15:01:34 *** jek
99 2013-03-03T16:14:25 *** RogerHaase
100 2013-03-03T16:42:02 *** rihnapstor
101 2013-03-03T16:42:25 *** rihnapstor
102 2013-03-03T17:00:27 <moinBot> http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/2.0/rev/f5b13839b63a 2013-03-02 Roger Haase namespaces remove obsolete IE8 filter:alpha from CSS
103 2013-03-03T17:00:28 <moinBot> http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/2.0/rev/606a6b22d82b 2013-03-03 Roger Haase Merge with namespaces
104 2013-03-03T17:00:29 <moinBot> http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/2.0/rev/54174e49198a 2013-03-03 Roger Haase merge
105 2013-03-03T17:05:10 <sunu> moin
106 2013-03-03T17:06:19 <ThomasWaldmann> hi sunu
107 2013-03-03T17:06:32 <ThomasWaldmann> ronny: can you say which css version we currently require?
108 2013-03-03T17:11:40 <rihnapstor> ThomasWaldmann: mion :)
109 2013-03-03T17:12:21 <sunu> hello ThomasWaldmann. Could you look at my gsoc page and comment when you have time ? http://moinmo.in/TarashishMishra/GSOC-2013
110 2013-03-03T17:13:06 <rihnapstor> ThomasWaldmann: moin 2.0 development server gets crash and returns internal server error when overloaded with request/response cycles.
111 2013-03-03T17:13:43 <sunu> btw ThomasWaldmann i was looking at https://bitbucket.org/thomaswaldmann/moin-2.0/issue/193/inotify-based-fileserver-backend-index
112 2013-03-03T17:14:49 <sunu> watching file system is the same as watching the wikidirectory ?
113 2013-03-03T17:15:29 <ronny> ThomasWaldmann, css?!?!
114 2013-03-03T17:17:37 <ThomasWaldmann> css standard
115 2013-03-03T17:18:08 <ThomasWaldmann> sunu: will have a look
116 2013-03-03T17:18:44 <ThomasWaldmann> rihnapstor: that's why the builtin server is only recommended for development or low-load wikis
117 2013-03-03T17:27:21 <rihnapstor> ThomasWaldmann:i want to play with moin wiki so how can i run it on apache2(dev version) and i was searching for " debugg =true" option but didn't get it .can you suggest me some ideas and alternatives to the problem i am having ?
118 2013-03-03T17:30:13 <rihnapstor> guys i will be back within 15 minutes!!
119 2013-03-03T17:30:17 *** rihnapstor
120 2013-03-03T17:40:50 <ronny> ThomasWaldmann, no idea, im not css fluent
121 2013-03-03T17:41:39 <ThomasWaldmann> ehrm, tab fail. i meant RogerHaase not ronny. :)
122 2013-03-03T17:42:19 <ThomasWaldmann> RogerHaase: can you say which css version we currently require?
123 2013-03-03T18:03:22 <RogerHaase> ThomasWaldmann: hmm, I am pretty sure here and there moin2 has some CSS 3 clauses, but I don't think that means moin2 "requires" CSS 3 as it is not yet a standrd. So the best answer for now is probably 2.1. I will take a look to see if I can identify css 3 stuff moin 2 is using.
124 2013-03-03T18:09:56 <ThomasWaldmann> ok
125 2013-03-03T18:11:15 <ThomasWaldmann> * a decent web browser that supports W3C standards HTML 5 and CSS 2.1:
126 2013-03-03T18:11:15 <ThomasWaldmann> - any current version of Firefox, Chrome, Opera, Safari, ... should work.
127 2013-03-03T18:11:15 <ThomasWaldmann> - usage of Internet Explorer is not recommended / not supported, but a
128 2013-03-03T18:11:15 <ThomasWaldmann> recent version (IE9 / IE10) might work. For Windows 7 (or 8) Microsoft
129 2013-03-03T18:11:15 <ThomasWaldmann> provides these versions. Older IE versions are known for causing issues.
130 2013-03-03T18:11:17 <ThomasWaldmann> * Java browser plugin (optional, needed if you want to use twikidraw or
131 2013-03-03T18:11:20 <ThomasWaldmann> anywikidraw).
132 2013-03-03T18:11:22 <ThomasWaldmann> does that sound ok?
133 2013-03-03T18:20:27 * ThomasWaldmann added "as well as JavaScript"
134 2013-03-03T18:21:15 <RogerHaase> ThomasWaldmann: I would say IE9 or IE10 is acceptable.
135 2013-03-03T18:23:22 <RogerHaase> Both IE9 and 10 work well, IE9 has fewer problems than chrome imho, and faster than Firefox (but that may be because I have Firefox loaded with development addons)
136 2013-03-03T18:30:47 <moinBot> http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/2.0/rev/47ed1aa1f741 2013-03-03 Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> add browser compatibility notes
137 2013-03-03T18:30:56 <ThomasWaldmann> ^ changed phrasing a litte
138 2013-03-03T18:31:29 <dreimark> moin
139 2013-03-03T18:40:38 *** rihnapstor
140 2013-03-03T18:40:57 *** rihnapstor
141 2013-03-03T18:41:25 <rihnapstor> i am back! :)
142 2013-03-03T18:44:12 <ThomasWaldmann> rihnapstor: while you could use apache2/mod-wsgi for development, it usually is easier to use the builtin server (as you can start the builtin server within a debugger, that's not that easy (or even possible) with apache/mod-wsgi)
143 2013-03-03T18:49:12 <rihnapstor> ok thanks ThomasWaldmann :) but when built-in server crashes,it blows out serveral errors on my console and never gets to normal activity.
144 2013-03-03T18:52:40 <rihnapstor> can you give me the hint to solve this bug https://bitbucket.org/thomaswaldmann/moin-2.0/issue/291/foobar-theme-home-link-is-not-coloured-as.
145 2013-03-03T18:54:06 <rihnapstor> when i load theme from the drop down menu,the theme is saved to user's profile and when i refresh the browser(mozilla firefox) it shows internal error. and response code 500.
146 2013-03-03T18:54:33 <ThomasWaldmann> well, the other bug needs to get fixed first
147 2013-03-03T18:54:56 <rihnapstor> so the foobar theme has dependencies ?
148 2013-03-03T19:14:48 <ThomasWaldmann> ? no, but it has a bug currently
149 2013-03-03T19:22:52 <ThomasWaldmann> https://bitbucket.org/thomaswaldmann/moin-2.0/issue/329/foobar-theme-crashes-with
150 2013-03-03T19:24:35 <rihnapstor> css file fails to load when theme changed to modernized or vice versa ,i think javascript code should be checked and refined,that might be a problem.
151 2013-03-03T19:25:13 <rihnapstor> ThomasWaldmann: moin UI is html5 should we validate every markup file with w3c ?
152 2013-03-03T19:28:19 <rihnapstor> yeah ThomasWaldmann thats the exact error i am getting.i will try to solve it.
153 2013-03-03T19:32:47 <ThomasWaldmann> you can't validate "markup files" as we have jinja2 templates.
154 2013-03-03T19:42:11 <rihnapstor> ohh! i forgot that!sorry ThomasWaldmann
155 2013-03-03T19:42:13 <rihnapstor> :)
156 2013-03-03T19:45:28 <rihnapstor> ThomasWaldmann:
157 2013-03-03T19:47:08 <rihnapstor> i am still in learning phase,so sorry for being silly.
158 2013-03-03T19:52:26 <moinBot> http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/2.0/rev/013c1cf8358f 2013-03-03 Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> i18n: update pot file
159 2013-03-03T19:52:27 <moinBot> http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/2.0/rev/f1a134e749c7 2013-03-03 Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> update de, ru, pt_BR translations (ru and pt_BR needs help!)
160 2013-03-03T19:52:38 <ThomasWaldmann> rihnapstor: no problem :)
161 2013-03-03T19:52:53 <ThomasWaldmann> eSyr-ng: eSyr: ^^
162 2013-03-03T19:58:35 <eSyr> mkay, try to check in near future.
163 2013-03-03T20:08:41 <ThomasWaldmann> thanks!
164 2013-03-03T20:34:36 <RogerHaase> ThomasWaldmann: rihnapstor: fix for 329 foobar traceback https://codereview.appspot.com/7443051/
165 2013-03-03T20:40:03 <ThomasWaldmann> there seems to be some asymetry here if we need that change in foobar, but not in modernized
166 2013-03-03T20:41:39 <ThomasWaldmann> RogerHaase: looks ok, just wondering :)
167 2013-03-03T20:47:21 <rihnapstor> RogerHaase: good effort
168 2013-03-03T20:47:23 <rihnapstor> :)
169 2013-03-03T20:48:59 <RogerHaase> ThomasWaldmann:
170 2013-03-03T20:51:14 <RogerHaase> ThomasWaldmann: yes, looks like foobar adds a unique ID and does some css styling. the ID maybe could be added to the utils search macro and then used. Will look later, push easy fix now.
171 2013-03-03T20:51:40 <ThomasWaldmann> ok
172 2013-03-03T21:25:19 *** ronny_
173 2013-03-03T21:25:55 *** ronny
174 2013-03-03T21:38:51 *** rihnapstor
175 2013-03-03T22:00:13 <dreimark> RogerHaase: hmm, i am not sure if the student who reported it was also trying to fix it or was it rihnapstor
176 2013-03-03T22:26:39 <ThomasWaldmann> no, it was sharky
177 2013-03-03T22:26:42 <ThomasWaldmann> iirc
178 2013-03-03T22:31:31 <RogerHaase> dreimark: there is another bug/annoyance - when you click Save to change themes, you expect to see the new theme. I thought rihnapstor was working on that, but hit 329. I opened 329, if sharky mentioned it, I missed it.
179 2013-03-03T22:34:57 <dreimark> RogerHaase: no problem, he can try another one. one student got a blocker fixed
180 2013-03-03T23:15:19 *** RogerHaase
181 2013-03-03T23:58:42 *** kanha
182 2013-03-03T23:58:56 <kanha> Hi
