1 2013-03-16T00:20:54 <ThomasWaldmann> http://www.timvideos.us/mission whoosh talk at pycon!
2 2013-03-16T00:22:40 *** MattMaker
3 2013-03-16T00:38:00 <ThomasWaldmann> there was a nice interactive ajax search in the talk
4 2013-03-16T01:07:31 *** yufra_
5 2013-03-16T02:03:59 *** Gnarlodious
6 2013-03-16T02:34:04 <ThomasWaldmann> https://moinmo.in/GoogleSoc2013/InitialProjectIdeas 2 days left for mentors to update the page
7 2013-03-16T02:34:50 <ThomasWaldmann> currently, it looks like 3 people are interested as mentors: dreimark rogerhaase and me
8 2013-03-16T02:38:43 <ThomasWaldmann> https://moinmo.in/MentorGroup i updated the page to reflect the current interest as reflected on the ideas page
9 2013-03-16T02:39:48 <ThomasWaldmann> if someone wants to get added there: please ask anyone already listed there to add you and also express your interest on the ideas page
10 2013-03-16T03:15:53 *** xorAxAx
11 2013-03-16T03:16:37 *** xorAxAx
12 2013-03-16T03:33:45 <ThomasWaldmann> https://ep2013.europython.eu/p3/sprints/
13 2013-03-16T04:36:05 *** vaishaks
14 2013-03-16T04:38:54 *** Gnarlodious
15 2013-03-16T05:24:41 *** sharky93
16 2013-03-16T05:53:50 *** sharky93
17 2013-03-16T06:22:41 *** vaishaks
18 2013-03-16T06:39:37 *** spy
19 2013-03-16T06:40:04 *** spy
20 2013-03-16T06:40:57 *** Guest9325
21 2013-03-16T08:41:07 *** haseeb
22 2013-03-16T08:41:07 *** haseeb
23 2013-03-16T08:46:00 *** sharkyraj
24 2013-03-16T08:48:09 *** sharky93
25 2013-03-16T08:48:53 *** sharky93
26 2013-03-16T08:59:09 *** sharky93
27 2013-03-16T09:10:17 *** ronny
28 2013-03-16T09:10:17 *** ronny
29 2013-03-16T10:29:16 *** haseeb
30 2013-03-16T10:33:55 *** haseeb
31 2013-03-16T11:05:35 *** ashutosh1461
32 2013-03-16T11:08:40 *** vaishaks
33 2013-03-16T11:40:47 *** haseeb
34 2013-03-16T11:47:18 *** greg_f
35 2013-03-16T12:43:54 <ThomasWaldmann> moin
36 2013-03-16T13:17:19 *** ashutosh1461
37 2013-03-16T13:24:44 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, i deleted a complete issue that contained russian item names and a 51MB big backup of a complete(?) wiki setup
38 2013-03-16T13:25:09 <ThomasWaldmann> that's not the way how sane issue reports work
39 2013-03-16T13:42:07 *** ronny
40 2013-03-16T14:17:52 <ThomasWaldmann> eSyr: https://master19.moinmo.in/action/info/%D0%A8%D0%B0%D0%B1%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%94%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%B0%D1%88%D0%BD%D1%8F%D1%8F%D0%A1%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%86%D0%B0%D0%93%D1%80%D1%83%D0%BF%D0%BF%D0%B0?action=diff&rev2=29&rev1=28
41 2013-03-16T14:51:18 *** pooryorick
42 2013-03-16T14:53:41 *** ronny
43 2013-03-16T14:53:41 *** ronny
44 2013-03-16T15:00:44 * ThomasWaldmann works on 1.9.7 release
45 2013-03-16T15:23:16 *** xiaq
46 2013-03-16T15:24:52 *** vaishaks
47 2013-03-16T15:44:10 <eSyr> urghhhh, it's broken again -_-
48 2013-03-16T15:46:58 <ThomasWaldmann> iirc, the template pages do not expand variables, but only if they are recognized as such
49 2013-03-16T15:47:26 <ThomasWaldmann> eSyr: just revert to a good revision?
50 2013-03-16T15:51:38 <eSyr> ThomasWaldmann: yes, if possible.
51 2013-03-16T15:51:52 <eSyr> iirc revert is broken in terms it will substitute :\
52 2013-03-16T15:52:10 <ThomasWaldmann> huh, really?
53 2013-03-16T15:52:18 <eSyr> yeah, these pages are not recognised as templates and that's the problem.
54 2013-03-16T15:54:50 <eSyr> (that's why i have /MyDict on master19 - it's likely the only way to insert this stuff)
55 2013-03-16T15:55:23 <ThomasWaldmann> but that russian page is now broken in other ways, as it has now your name built-in
56 2013-03-16T15:55:49 <ThomasWaldmann> ah, fixed already
57 2013-03-16T15:57:09 <eSyr> yeah, i've used to fix it after translation updates singce it used to wipe out those comments, but now it's not needed but lookl like some lack of escaping had left.
58 2013-03-16T15:58:58 <eSyr> ThomasWaldmann: btw, CheckTranslation macro looks missing on moinmaster, can you please return it back?
59 2013-03-16T15:59:15 <eSyr> *looks like CheckTranslation macro is
60 2013-03-16T16:01:25 <ThomasWaldmann> hah, little type causes malfunction
61 2013-03-16T16:01:29 <ThomasWaldmann> typo*
62 2013-03-16T16:06:43 <ThomasWaldmann> eSyr: i have fixed the main issue why the automatic script updated 2 pages badly
63 2013-03-16T16:06:56 <ThomasWaldmann> can you fix the on that ukrainian page?
64 2013-03-16T16:07:17 <ThomasWaldmann> was just P vs p ...
65 2013-03-16T16:09:19 * ThomasWaldmann looks at CheckTranslation action
66 2013-03-16T16:11:46 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, was a permissions issue
67 2013-03-16T16:12:19 <ThomasWaldmann> the moin wsgi process now uses a different uid/gid than the owner/group of the code/plugins
68 2013-03-16T16:16:19 <ThomasWaldmann> eSyr: ^ + http://master19.moinmo.in/%D0%A8%D0%B0%D0%B1%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%A1%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%96%D0%BD%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%94%D0%BB%D1%8F%D0%93%D1%80%D1%83%D0%BF%D0%B8%D0%9E%D1%81%D1%96%D0%B1
69 2013-03-16T16:16:43 <ThomasWaldmann> ascii-only urls somehow suck :|
70 2013-03-16T16:27:11 <eSyr> fixed.
71 2013-03-16T16:31:43 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, I'll run the script again, so we see what happens now
72 2013-03-16T16:33:39 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, looks better no
73 2013-03-16T16:33:40 <ThomasWaldmann> w
74 2013-03-16T16:45:31 <ThomasWaldmann> eSyr: ok, comments are kept now, if fixed the en page
75 2013-03-16T17:12:37 *** bruno_
76 2013-03-16T17:23:30 *** bruno_
77 2013-03-16T17:36:06 <ThomasWaldmann> 16c0c43815a59a11f71e2faa383173fce2f2527070a0c70ae4dc94b6733747a3 moin-1.9.7.tar.gz
78 2013-03-16T17:36:18 <ThomasWaldmann> pre-release testing please, file is at the usual place
79 2013-03-16T17:43:38 <ThomasWaldmann> there is also a moin-1.9.7.tar.gz.asc file (hopefully generated in the same way as setup.py will do it later when uploading/signing it to pypi)
80 2013-03-16T17:44:25 <ThomasWaldmann> please check if you can use it: gpg --verify moin-1.9.7.tar.gz.asc
81 2013-03-16T17:51:02 <ThomasWaldmann> (the hash is sha256sum)
82 2013-03-16T17:52:25 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: SteveMcIntyre: eSyr: ^
83 2013-03-16T17:54:10 *** greg_f
84 2013-03-16T17:58:40 * eSyr remembering times when moin distro weighted only 5 megs
85 2013-03-16T17:59:06 <ThomasWaldmann> yeah, we'll get back to small with moin2
86 2013-03-16T17:59:21 <ThomasWaldmann> it just grew a little again due to bundling of passlib
87 2013-03-16T17:59:33 <eSyr> http://static.moinmo.in/files/xxx huh
88 2013-03-16T18:00:10 <eSyr> btw, both master19. and static. provide ssl cert for www.
89 2013-03-16T18:00:52 <ThomasWaldmann> killed xxx
90 2013-03-16T18:01:23 <ThomasWaldmann> yeah, i know. can only have one additional host per domain (which i chose to be www.)
91 2013-03-16T18:01:57 <ThomasWaldmann> guess i have to give some money to startssl in the near future :D
92 2013-03-16T18:05:14 <eSyr> ThomasWaldmann: you can use sni.
93 2013-03-16T18:05:50 * eSyr uses startssl also, it gives ability to get free certs for different subdomains
94 2013-03-16T18:05:54 <ThomasWaldmann> how does that help in that case?
95 2013-03-16T18:15:13 <ThomasWaldmann> eSyr: i know sni and that it does help to run several ssl sites on same server ip (for recent enough clients), but the ssl cert has the certified names, so how does sni help?
96 2013-03-16T18:16:34 <eSyr> ThomasWaldmann: i mean, there's no problem obtaining certs for each subdomain from startssl also.
97 2013-03-16T18:18:22 <ThomasWaldmann> ah, really? somehow it didn't gave me that impression. so you can have subdomain + 1 subsubdomain in 1 cert?
98 2013-03-16T18:20:24 <eSyr> no, i've obtained several certs for the same doamin: domain+sub1.domain, domain+sub2.domain and so on.
99 2013-03-16T18:21:10 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, i'll try
100 2013-03-16T18:36:36 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: Schlüssel 31A6CB60 von hkp-Server blackhole.pca.dfn.de anfordern
101 2013-03-16T18:36:39 <dreimark> ?: blackhole.pca.dfn.de: Host not found
102 2013-03-16T18:36:56 <ThomasWaldmann> "name ist programm" :D
103 2013-03-16T18:37:28 * dreimark that server seems not accessible, wrong default likly
104 2013-03-16T18:38:10 <ThomasWaldmann> http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=tw%40waldmann-edv-de&op=index
105 2013-03-16T18:44:55 *** spy_
106 2013-03-16T18:47:00 <dreimark> gpg --keyserver x-hkp://keyserver.linux.it --verify moin-1.9.7.tar.gz.as
107 2013-03-16T18:47:04 <dreimark> works
108 2013-03-16T18:47:33 <dreimark> gpg: WARNUNG: Dieser Schlüssel trägt keine vertrauenswürdige Signatur!
109 2013-03-16T18:47:41 <dreimark> gpg: Es gibt keinen Hinweis, daß die Signatur wirklich dem vorgeblichen Besitzer gehört.
110 2013-03-16T18:53:14 * ThomasWaldmann just used gpg --verify moin-1.9.7.tar.gz.asc and it worked here
111 2013-03-16T18:53:15 <dreimark> Verify the integrity of your downloaded file
112 2013-03-16T18:53:43 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: because it is your key, you have it already
113 2013-03-16T18:54:07 <dreimark> INSTALL.html needs an update then
114 2013-03-16T18:54:35 <ThomasWaldmann> eSyr: https://master.moinmo.in/ https://static.moinmo.in/files/ - thanks for the hint!
115 2013-03-16T18:57:26 *** haseeb
116 2013-03-16T18:57:26 *** haseeb
117 2013-03-16T18:58:01 <eSyr> ThomasWaldmann: you're welcome.
118 2013-03-16T18:59:39 <eSyr> hm, "Warnung", not "Achtung"?
119 2013-03-16T19:01:50 <dreimark> latter would be better
120 2013-03-16T19:05:47 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: http://localhost:8080/SystemInfo?action=thread_monitor
121 2013-03-16T19:05:53 <dreimark> A dump has been saved to nowhere.
122 2013-03-16T19:06:11 <ThomasWaldmann> http://keyserver.borgnet.us:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&fingerprint=on&search=0x9F88FB52FAF7B393 hmm, there are some signatures on the main key
123 2013-03-16T19:07:43 <ThomasWaldmann> eSyr: Warnung is pointing to something potentially negative/harmful, Achtung is just pointing to something one should know.
124 2013-03-16T19:09:52 <eSyr> huh, one of wiki which i'm administrate successfully reached link limit.
125 2013-03-16T19:10:05 <eSyr> *i
126 2013-03-16T19:10:24 <eSyr> drwxr-x--- 32000 moin moin 2265088 Mar 13 01:44 pages/
127 2013-03-16T19:11:27 *** sauravtom
128 2013-03-16T19:13:02 <ThomasWaldmann> eSyr: moin maint cleanpage or so
129 2013-03-16T19:13:53 <eSyr> yeah, in progress already.
130 2013-03-16T19:14:21 *** vaishaks
131 2013-03-16T19:14:38 <eSyr> (should migrate this wiki to newer version for a long time already)
132 2013-03-16T19:24:06 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: the warning seems to be normal (if i understood google output correctly) as long as no signature on my key (or my key) is somehow part of your web-of-trust
133 2013-03-16T19:24:54 <dreimark> ok, then we should get it signed from lots of people
134 2013-03-16T19:24:55 <ThomasWaldmann> waldi: ^ did i understand that correctly? see also 19:46+
135 2013-03-16T19:26:36 *** vaishaks
136 2013-03-16T19:27:26 <ThomasWaldmann> eSyr: what version is it now and does it have lots of trash pagedirs?
137 2013-03-16T19:27:46 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: 5 signatures on it right now
138 2013-03-16T19:28:36 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: we could do a little keysigning at EP :D
139 2013-03-16T19:29:30 <dreimark> hehe, yeah
140 2013-03-16T19:29:38 *** sauravtom
141 2013-03-16T19:32:30 <ThomasWaldmann> eSyr: and you could use 1.9.7 to give it a test, if you wanted to install a new version anyway
142 2013-03-16T19:42:29 <dreimark> first time i recognized that the page counter on SystemInfo is wrong
143 2013-03-16T19:42:49 <dreimark> it tells 1 but we have 2 pages in data
144 2013-03-16T19:49:30 <dreimark> action=thread_monitor tells always A dump has been saved to nowhere.
145 2013-03-16T19:49:53 * dreimark we should may be default exclude
146 2013-03-16T19:49:54 <dreimark> it
147 2013-03-16T19:51:11 <eSyr> ThomasWaldmann: 1.9.2 + patches from 1.9.6
148 2013-03-16T19:51:48 <eSyr> yeah, most likely will move it to 1.9.7.
149 2013-03-16T19:51:55 <eSyr> (it's uneex.org btw)
150 2013-03-16T19:57:26 <ThomasWaldmann> eSyr: are you running it from a repo or from code extracted from download archive?
151 2013-03-16T20:17:05 <eSyr> iirc it's downloaded one.
152 2013-03-16T20:19:18 * ThomasWaldmann reads passlib doc updates
153 2013-03-16T20:28:18 *** haseeb
154 2013-03-16T20:48:09 *** spy_
155 2013-03-16T20:48:35 * ThomasWaldmann did some passlib related changes
156 2013-03-16T20:49:24 <ThomasWaldmann> http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/1.9/rev/96ef8a8ecc80
157 2013-03-16T20:51:32 <ThomasWaldmann> eSyr: ^
158 2013-03-16T20:52:30 *** haseeb
159 2013-03-16T20:52:30 *** haseeb
160 2013-03-16T20:54:01 <ThomasWaldmann> anything unusual yet while using 1.9.7?
161 2013-03-16T21:10:44 *** ronny
162 2013-03-16T21:17:03 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: thread_monitor is no issue as it is limited to superuser and also the hook needs to be enabled, that's why it says "nowhere" if one did not do that.
163 2013-03-16T21:37:01 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: https://master.moinmo.in/action/info/InstallDocs/QuickInstall/Linux?action=diff&rev2=8&rev1=7
164 2013-03-16T21:59:14 *** ronny
165 2013-03-16T22:02:49 *** haseeb
166 2013-03-16T22:16:02 *** ronny
167 2013-03-16T22:16:45 *** spy_
168 2013-03-16T23:43:12 <waldi> ThomasWaldmann: this means there is no trust-path to the key used to sign the file
169 2013-03-16T23:45:36 <waldi> no, this is not completely right. the key is just not trusted, so they are not close enough in the web-of-trust
