1 2013-03-18T02:48:41 *** ashutosh1461
2 2013-03-18T03:37:28 *** ashutosh1461
3 2013-03-18T05:43:53 *** vaishaks
4 2013-03-18T05:56:34 *** vaishaks
5 2013-03-18T06:36:21 *** sharky93
6 2013-03-18T07:08:28 *** sharky93
7 2013-03-18T07:31:13 <dreimark> moin
8 2013-03-18T07:31:23 * dreimark in german (sorry) http://www.pysprints.de/locale/index.html
9 2013-03-18T08:08:49 <dreimark> hmm, how can I center a table, {{{#!wiki center ... works with text
10 2013-03-18T08:58:20 *** haseeb
11 2013-03-18T08:58:20 *** haseeb
12 2013-03-18T09:00:49 *** greg_f
13 2013-03-18T09:30:39 *** haseeb
14 2013-03-18T10:08:55 *** moinBot`
15 2013-03-18T10:08:55 *** moinBot
16 2013-03-18T10:09:24 *** xorAxAx
17 2013-03-18T10:10:05 *** xorAxAx
18 2013-03-18T10:13:37 <ThomasWaldmann> moin
19 2013-03-18T10:34:39 *** ronny
20 2013-03-18T10:34:39 *** ronny
21 2013-03-18T10:39:07 *** ashutosh1461
22 2013-03-18T10:55:31 *** ashutosh1461
23 2013-03-18T11:11:55 *** ashutosh1461
24 2013-03-18T11:29:51 <ashutosh1461> I am facing a problem, maybe it is a bug, if we create a user and then try to delete/destroy the user page then the moin crashes, we face a 500 internal error, The error is https://bitbucket.org/ashu1461/code/commits/14feeea3b4cc79c47f8ce1c7864f7b9894167080 .
25 2013-03-18T11:31:40 *** spy
26 2013-03-18T11:32:03 *** spy
27 2013-03-18T11:33:19 *** Guest55609
28 2013-03-18T11:41:09 <ThomasWaldmann> ashutosh1461: what do you mean by "the user page"?
29 2013-03-18T11:42:05 <ashutosh1461> I mean http://localhost:8080/<username>.
30 2013-03-18T11:42:27 <ThomasWaldmann> that's the user profile. don't kill it.
31 2013-03-18T11:43:00 <ThomasWaldmann> (sooner or later that will get moved to a separate namespace, so it doesn't show up between normal items)
32 2013-03-18T11:44:51 <ashutosh1461> Oh, I see and how do i fix it ? re-installing ?
33 2013-03-18T11:59:16 <ThomasWaldmann> kill your cookie, moin index-create -s -i
34 2013-03-18T12:07:06 *** xiaq
35 2013-03-18T12:13:06 <xiaq> moin1's nospam email address can be quite annoying... and it seems that writing "a AT b DOT com" doesn't really work (http://techblog.tilllate.com/2008/07/20/ten-methods-to-obfuscate-e-mail-addresses-compared/). instead css tricks all seem to work pretty well
36 2013-03-18T12:14:22 <xiaq> i think we can do this in moin2. i wrote a jinja filter that inserts random noises wrapped in invisible <span>s a while ago - see line 72 of http://tuna.tsinghua.edu.cn/get_involved for instance :)
37 2013-03-18T12:18:54 <ThomasWaldmann> what does "doesn't really work" mean exactly?
38 2013-03-18T12:19:51 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: you still get a lot of spam :)
39 2013-03-18T12:20:05 <xiaq> no, not a *lot*
40 2013-03-18T12:20:15 <ThomasWaldmann> the article you linked says it's relatively few
41 2013-03-18T12:20:44 <ThomasWaldmann> also, what makes you think that spammer's can't throw away display-none stuff also?
42 2013-03-18T12:21:41 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: the number, 0 spam
43 2013-03-18T12:21:57 <ThomasWaldmann> a nice property of the MailTo macro of moin is that it eliminates all UPPERCASE, so it is not limited to AT and DOT, you can insert arbitrary other stuff
44 2013-03-18T12:22:29 <ThomasWaldmann> that number is 5 years old. back then, even salted sha1 worked for passwords.
45 2013-03-18T12:23:26 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: yeah AT but DOT it gets NOSPAM confusing the SPAMFREE more uppercases you add :)
46 2013-03-18T12:23:47 <xiaq> AT and DOT seems not too bad after all...
47 2013-03-18T12:24:59 <ThomasWaldmann> only intelligent people will write you email then :D
48 2013-03-18T12:25:26 <ThomasWaldmann> (that's a feature :D )
49 2013-03-18T12:26:55 <ThomasWaldmann> also, side-effects of this have to be considered. e.g. how screenreaders read such stuff.
50 2013-03-18T12:27:18 <ThomasWaldmann> might work for the display none method, not sure.
51 2013-03-18T12:28:39 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: ah screen readers. that's a concern indeed
52 2013-03-18T12:29:30 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, try to get rid of: https://test.moinmo.in/Home
53 2013-03-18T12:32:27 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: someone managed to change Home to a ticket...
54 2013-03-18T12:37:31 <ThomasWaldmann> usually that's not an issue in a wiki as one always can revert such changes
55 2013-03-18T12:40:16 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: according to this (http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1755656/displaynone-vs-visibilityhidden-vs-text-indent9999-how-screen-reader-behave-w) most screen readers honor visibility:hidden and display:none
56 2013-03-18T12:40:24 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: what's the problem then?
57 2013-03-18T12:47:01 <ThomasWaldmann> xiaq: where's the ui for revert?
58 2013-03-18T12:50:57 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: hm, i tried reverting to the oldest version in http://test.moinmo.in/+history/Home which is still a ticket. seems to result from a rename instead.
59 2013-03-18T12:51:11 <xiaq> i get the point, the item bar is missing on tickets...
60 2013-03-18T13:11:19 *** dave_largo
61 2013-03-18T13:13:32 *** Pods
62 2013-03-18T13:14:51 <Pods> Hey I just downloaded moin and the complete source, want to start contributing asap :D
63 2013-03-18T13:14:56 <Pods> Any directions??
64 2013-03-18T13:16:37 <ThomasWaldmann> Pods: gsoc?
65 2013-03-18T13:17:20 <Pods> Yes, Plus i have an interest in open source development , have been a constant developer at swig since the last 4-5 months now :)
66 2013-03-18T13:19:55 <xiaq> Pods: swig! that's pretty cool
67 2013-03-18T13:19:59 <Pods> Moinmoin seems interesting since i have at some level being studying semantic wikis :)
68 2013-03-18T13:20:41 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, for gsoc, most tasks are about MoinMoin 2.0 (aka moin2), see http://moinmo.in/MoinMoin2.0
69 2013-03-18T13:21:09 <ThomasWaldmann> there are also docs about it, see the link on that page, even documenting how to contribute (iirc)
70 2013-03-18T13:22:19 <ThomasWaldmann> about semantic stuff: that's interesting, but we will focus on more basic features now and in the near future, so we can release it. more advanced features might come later.
71 2013-03-18T13:30:52 <ThomasWaldmann> (compared to moin 1.9, moin2 has much better means to deal with additional metadata, so such stuff might be possible much easier then)
72 2013-03-18T13:34:35 <Pods> xiaq : thanks :)
73 2013-03-18T13:35:23 <Pods> ThomasWaldmann : Okay will look through the tasks.
74 2013-03-18T13:36:16 <Pods> Also, there were two ways cited in the documentation to access moinmoin, 1. via the localhost and 2. by extracting the server on our system.
75 2013-03-18T13:36:34 <Pods> I am assuming the later will be recommended for development purposes. Is that correct?
76 2013-03-18T13:38:49 <dreimark> Pods: just do quickinstall as in the docs
77 2013-03-18T13:39:20 <Pods> dreimark : great will do :)
78 2013-03-18T13:39:23 <dreimark> https://moin-20.readthedocs.org/en/latest/admin/install.html
79 2013-03-18T13:39:55 <dreimark> as we develop we are using an env setup locally
80 2013-03-18T13:42:27 <Pods> yes, so i will revert to the later option of using moin2 locally
81 2013-03-18T13:57:01 <Pods> So i am through with the installation setup and have seen the overview for the projects, is there some specific suggested code i should look at, or i can go ahead and play with the new found repo??
82 2013-03-18T14:01:13 <dreimark> you can look at the bitbucket tracker
83 2013-03-18T14:01:24 <dreimark> there are more issues than described there
84 2013-03-18T14:01:59 <dreimark> also have a look into http://moinmo.in/GoogleSoc2013/InitialProjectIdeas
85 2013-03-18T14:02:24 <dreimark> i guess you meant that
86 2013-03-18T14:02:39 <dreimark> Pods: ^
87 2013-03-18T14:03:17 <Pods> dreimark: yes, meant precisely that :), great help there . Thanks
88 2013-03-18T14:06:07 <Pods> I like a couple of ideas there, especially improving the UI is critical for any page on web, is it ok if i work on any of the listed ideas as a part of gsoc or would i have to produce my own project idea?
89 2013-03-18T14:07:31 <ThomasWaldmann> the stuff there are just some rather vague ideas. a project needs to be much more detailled and have own ideas from yourself also.
90 2013-03-18T14:08:22 <ThomasWaldmann> also, you need to plan the project, so the time needed for it is adequate for gsoc.
91 2013-03-18T14:08:55 <Pods> yes, absolutely would want to elaborate the ideas there into concrete ones which can be realized into a substantial releasable end product in the time frame of gsoc (and also can be improvized later :) )
92 2013-03-18T14:09:34 <ThomasWaldmann> you mean improved ;)
93 2013-03-18T14:09:48 <Pods> yes :)
94 2013-03-18T14:10:16 <Pods> *goes to researching onto the awesome-seeming projects*
95 2013-03-18T14:15:33 <ThomasWaldmann> Pods: btw, if you want to work on some UI projekt like visually making it look much better, you should have experience with such stuff and you should be able to point at some of your past work
96 2013-03-18T14:31:19 *** ashutosh1461
97 2013-03-18T14:57:18 *** RogerHaase
98 2013-03-18T15:11:24 *** dave_largo
99 2013-03-18T15:13:25 *** dave_largo
100 2013-03-18T15:39:46 *** ashutosh1461
101 2013-03-18T15:57:00 <Pods> ThomasWaldmann : I have a couple of projects I can point to, maybe sending in my resume would help??
102 2013-03-18T16:00:45 <ThomasWaldmann> just prepare it
103 2013-03-18T16:28:16 *** bruno_
104 2013-03-18T16:28:38 <dreimark> Pods: you can have a wiki page and use the developer template
105 2013-03-18T16:32:33 *** Pods
106 2013-03-18T16:42:10 <ashutosh1461> What is the difference between temp storage and normal storage ? https://bitbucket.org/thomaswaldmann/moin-2.0/src/4307c3e76076/MoinMoin/storage/middleware/indexing.py?at=default#cl-440
107 2013-03-18T16:45:58 <dreimark> ashutosh1461: whoosh in main branch uses tmp directory which is also incompatible with gae. So in gae branch there is already a different solution but I think it is not released yet
108 2013-03-18T16:48:17 *** dreimark
109 2013-03-18T16:57:26 <ashutosh1461> RogerHaase, can you give an example of meta variable which is passed in this function ? https://bitbucket.org/thomaswaldmann/moin-2.0/src/4307c3e76076/MoinMoin/storage/middleware/indexing.py?at=default#cl-452
110 2013-03-18T17:04:02 <RogerHaase> ashutosh1461: I am not familar with that code. A guess is go to http://test.moinmo.in/rst and click the meta link or the modify link (and scroll down)
111 2013-03-18T17:15:56 <ashutosh1461> umm .. fine. :D !
112 2013-03-18T17:25:42 <ThomasWaldmann> ReimarBauer: the line ashutosh1461 was referring to is not related to gae
113 2013-03-18T17:26:09 <ThomasWaldmann> the point there is just that we want to use the current index while building a fresh one
114 2013-03-18T17:30:05 *** haseeb
115 2013-03-18T17:30:06 *** haseeb
116 2013-03-18T17:32:18 *** greg_f
117 2013-03-18T17:32:21 <ThomasWaldmann> that stuff is not quite in the final state maybe, i even talked to matt about it once and he said that should work without having such a separate tmp index
118 2013-03-18T17:32:58 <ThomasWaldmann> but in the end, I was not quite sure whether that would give us the desired behaviour of really rebuilding it from scratch in parallel to using it
119 2013-03-18T17:47:50 <ReimarBauer> ok, i thought it will be replaced by the other code
120 2013-03-18T17:50:30 <ThomasWaldmann> no, that's completely unrelated
121 2013-03-18T17:51:19 <ThomasWaldmann> the tmp fix in the gae branch is avoiding to create tempfiles on disk
122 2013-03-18T17:51:46 <ThomasWaldmann> the tmp index is a real index, just in a different directory as the one that the wiki uses
123 2013-03-18T17:52:26 <ThomasWaldmann> the idea behind is that in big wikis fully building the index from scratch might take hours or even days
124 2013-03-18T17:52:50 <ThomasWaldmann> and one still wants to use the wiki in that time, with a valid index
125 2013-03-18T17:59:59 *** moin9
126 2013-03-18T18:00:49 *** moin9
127 2013-03-18T18:20:34 *** ReimarBauer
128 2013-03-18T18:21:17 <Pods> ThomasWalmann, I was looking at the projects what exactly goes into the Remote Editor wrapper?? The project title is not too descriptive to understand.
129 2013-03-18T18:24:27 <Pods> Also in the project regarding Network APIs, I am surprised we are still debating whether to choose xml rpc vs json rpc, I think the later should anysay be better?? Isnt it??
130 2013-03-18T18:25:14 *** dreimark
131 2013-03-18T18:25:36 *** ReimarBauer
132 2013-03-18T18:26:41 <Pods> Lastly another very valid project to me is "Validation of Wiki Contents" , could anyone elaborate on it further??
133 2013-03-18T18:31:14 *** ronny_
134 2013-03-18T18:35:01 *** ronny
135 2013-03-18T18:51:10 <ThomasWaldmann> Pods: like using vim or libreoffice to edit wiki item
136 2013-03-18T18:51:46 <Pods> okay
137 2013-03-18T18:52:01 <ThomasWaldmann> Pods: xml or json is matter of taste and software support
138 2013-03-18T18:52:25 <Pods> true, maybe json although seems more compact.
139 2013-03-18T18:52:42 <ThomasWaldmann> about validation: there is stuff in metadata that can be compared to the real data
140 2013-03-18T18:53:10 <Pods> ThomasWaldmann : could you cite an instance for the same??
141 2013-03-18T18:56:36 <RogerHaase> Pods: size, itemlinks, itemtransclusions,...
142 2013-03-18T18:58:04 *** ashutosh1461
143 2013-03-18T19:00:10 <Pods> Oh, okay.
144 2013-03-18T19:03:00 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: we can now send our data to carol ;)
145 2013-03-18T19:04:52 *** haseeb
146 2013-03-18T19:06:35 *** RogerHaase
147 2013-03-18T19:39:01 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: yeah, got the mail, too
148 2013-03-18T19:39:45 <dreimark> checked :)
149 2013-03-18T19:40:03 <dreimark> i go to play trombone, bbl
150 2013-03-18T20:08:46 *** haseeb
151 2013-03-18T20:38:47 *** sharky93
152 2013-03-18T21:03:19 *** pooryorick
153 2013-03-18T21:07:49 *** dave_largo
154 2013-03-18T21:45:53 *** Pods
155 2013-03-18T21:45:57 <sharky93> ThomasWaldmann, i have the fix for this bug -> https://bitbucket.org/thomaswaldmann/moin-2.0/issue/291/foobar-theme-home-link-is-not-coloured-as
156 2013-03-18T21:46:56 <ThomasWaldmann> ah, cool :)
157 2013-03-18T21:47:05 <sharky93> what should i do next, should i explain my method, well i had not been assigned this, i just started working on it out of interest.
158 2013-03-18T21:47:14 <ThomasWaldmann> can you put it on codereview?
159 2013-03-18T21:47:57 <sharky93> how can i do that ?
160 2013-03-18T21:48:15 <ThomasWaldmann> codereview.appspot.com
161 2013-03-18T21:48:24 <ThomasWaldmann> (you need a google account)
162 2013-03-18T21:49:40 <sharky93> should i be assigned that bug ? so that others also do not start working on the same thing, because im pretty sure it should now be fixed.
163 2013-03-18T21:49:44 *** haseeb
164 2013-03-18T21:51:39 <dreimark> sharky93: look for uploads.py
165 2013-03-18T21:51:59 <dreimark> http://code.google.com/p/rietveld/wiki/UploadPyUsage
166 2013-03-18T21:55:44 <sharky93> dreimark, i found the form for submitting the issue on codereview, should i just use that ?
167 2013-03-18T21:56:07 <sharky93> what should i fill in Base, Reviewers, CC, url ?
168 2013-03-18T21:56:23 <ThomasWaldmann> just use upload.py, much easier
169 2013-03-18T21:56:34 <sharky93> ok
170 2013-03-18T21:56:51 <dreimark> sharky93: you can use the form but if you use the same ID for an update it is much easier to do it with upload.py
171 2013-03-18T21:57:06 <dreimark> and I guess you will have to use it more than once
172 2013-03-18T21:59:00 *** ashutosh1461
173 2013-03-18T22:03:55 <sharky93> ok, i used the python script, https://codereview.appspot.com/7897043
174 2013-03-18T22:08:12 <ThomasWaldmann> that was easy :D
175 2013-03-18T22:10:34 <dreimark> added some comments too
176 2013-03-18T22:11:01 <dreimark> sharky93: we have a pep8 checker in the tests
177 2013-03-18T22:13:05 <ThomasWaldmann> "make test"
178 2013-03-18T22:13:41 <ashutosh1461> ThomasWaldmann, Hello, can i work on the subitems links bug??
179 2013-03-18T22:18:18 <ThomasWaldmann> sure, you can work on any bug you like.
180 2013-03-18T22:18:36 <ThomasWaldmann> maybe update the issue tracker with a comment about it, so that double work is avoided.
181 2013-03-18T22:20:58 <ashutosh1461> fine :D
182 2013-03-18T22:27:41 *** spy_
183 2013-03-18T22:35:17 *** ashutosh1461
184 2013-03-18T22:38:46 <ThomasWaldmann> sharky93: you need to configure your editor for python
185 2013-03-18T22:41:43 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, PyCharm is a nice idea for python, good editor included. we have a license for MoinMoin developers for it.
186 2013-03-18T22:41:49 <ThomasWaldmann> ide*
187 2013-03-18T22:45:09 <ThomasWaldmann> sharky93: if you have fixed the tabs, use same codereview id for next upload (-i)
188 2013-03-18T23:01:13 <dreimark> gn
189 2013-03-18T23:13:39 <ThomasWaldmann> argh, i committed on wrong branch yesterday :|
190 2013-03-18T23:14:31 *** bruno_
191 2013-03-18T23:25:07 *** ronny_
192 2013-03-18T23:34:35 <sharky93> ThomasWaldmann, just installed PyCharm. How can i get the license key ?
193 2013-03-18T23:35:10 <ThomasWaldmann> write me an email after trying it for a while. the demo license should work for a month, right?
194 2013-03-18T23:35:37 <sharky93> yeah
195 2013-03-18T23:40:25 <ThomasWaldmann> if you have questions about pycharm (after googling), ask, I also use it
196 2013-03-18T23:40:47 *** sharky93
197 2013-03-18T23:42:49 *** sharky93
198 2013-03-18T23:55:13 <sharky93> ThomasWaldmann, when i check for pep8, it shows me other errors apart from the lines of code, i added. What about it ? In reference to https://codereview.appspot.com/7897043
