1 2013-06-10T06:19:37 *** xorAxAx
2 2013-06-10T06:20:21 *** xorAxAx
3 2013-06-10T06:48:57 <ThomasWaldmann> moin
4 2013-06-10T07:23:21 *** ana_ananasova
5 2013-06-10T07:35:20 *** sharky93
6 2013-06-10T07:35:23 <sharky93> moin
7 2013-06-10T07:36:32 <sharky93> TheSheep, i guess you might be free from today on :) .. when should we start?
8 2013-06-10T08:04:07 *** ana_ananasova
9 2013-06-10T08:15:33 *** ana_ananasova
10 2013-06-10T09:11:22 *** greg_f
11 2013-06-10T09:32:07 <TheSheep> sharky93: we can start any time
12 2013-06-10T10:36:52 *** xorAxAx
13 2013-06-10T10:37:36 *** xorAxAx
14 2013-06-10T11:03:07 <sharky93> TheSheep, would you suggest us discussing on stuff such as the UI for ACLs, Namelists, Search, etc as in the proposal or the general practices? Since i feel the former will take more time :)
15 2013-06-10T11:08:59 <TheSheep> sharky93: after some thought, I think that we can do the practices as we go, while we encounter problems
16 2013-06-10T11:10:13 <sharky93> TheSheep, yes, i feel the same way
17 2013-06-10T11:11:40 <TheSheep> another thing I want to do is to split moin's js in two parts, static and generated, so that we can use a linter on the static part
18 2013-06-10T11:13:35 <TheSheep> then there will be some cleanup work to fix all the linter errors
19 2013-06-10T11:15:08 <sharky93> ok, added @ http://etherpad.osuosl.org/moin-ui lines 77+
20 2013-06-10T11:19:41 <sharky93> TheSheep, since we are in quite different time zones, we may not get much overlapping time for working together.. how about you give me some work for the day ( maybe picked from the proposal ) , i think on the design, get a rough sketch done, and we use all the overlapping time to finalize things ? This may make this community bonding period much more effective :)
21 2013-06-10T11:20:09 <TheSheep> sharky93: good idea
22 2013-06-10T11:20:27 <TheSheep> sharky93: I think that this splitting thing should be done first, so that later we can follow the linter
23 2013-06-10T11:20:49 <TheSheep> sharky93: from what I saw, it's a template mostly because the message strings need to be translated
24 2013-06-10T11:21:33 <TheSheep> sharky93: so I think that we could have a global dictionary with all the strings to be translated in the template, an all the rest of the code in the static file
25 2013-06-10T11:23:05 * sharky93 looks up moin's js's
26 2013-06-10T11:24:00 <TheSheep> or maybe we could have a more traditional gettext-like system
27 2013-06-10T11:24:03 <TheSheep> with _ in it
28 2013-06-10T11:24:34 <TheSheep> sharky93: so first task would be to research the available i18n libraries for js
29 2013-06-10T11:24:55 <TheSheep> sharky93: then to choose one and make use of it
30 2013-06-10T11:27:32 <TheSheep> sharky93: sorry for bringing up new things, but I kinda slacked before in terms of mentoring, and didn't look closely at the moin's code
31 2013-06-10T11:27:41 <TheSheep> sharky93: I hope that I can make it up
32 2013-06-10T11:29:03 <TheSheep> sharky93: do you know how gettext usually works?
33 2013-06-10T11:29:16 <sharky93> TheSheep, no not much idea now :)
34 2013-06-10T11:30:14 <sharky93> TheSheep, I think we might have enough time :) .. just one doubt do you think ensuring this is much important now? since the current goal for MoinMoin would be to get the release of moin2 done :)
35 2013-06-10T11:30:36 <TheSheep> sharky93: if we don't do it at the start, it will never get done
36 2013-06-10T11:30:45 <TheSheep> sharky93: and it's not as much work, as I see it
37 2013-06-10T11:31:22 <TheSheep> sharky93: also, I think that it's much more important to have clean code that other people can work on, than to have some animated gimmicks added :)
38 2013-06-10T11:31:45 <sharky93> TheSheep, i understand that now!, totally :)
39 2013-06-10T11:32:15 <TheSheep> sharky93: about how gettext works, basically it defines a special function called _
40 2013-06-10T11:32:32 <TheSheep> sharky93: that function takes an English string, and returns a translated string
41 2013-06-10T11:33:49 <sharky93> TheSheep, yes i think i see it in the Jinja2 templates, for ex - line no 5 index.html
42 2013-06-10T11:33:51 <TheSheep> sharky93: then whenever you have anything that needs to be translated, you wrap it in _()
43 2013-06-10T11:34:00 <TheSheep> sharky93: sure
44 2013-06-10T11:34:14 <TheSheep> sharky93: but right now, that function is called on the server side, in python
45 2013-06-10T11:34:26 <TheSheep> sharky93: what we need is a _ function in js
46 2013-06-10T11:35:28 <TheSheep> sharky93: in the template, we would only have an object with all the strings and their translations, and the _ function would simply take that and do the translation
47 2013-06-10T11:36:21 <TheSheep> I'm sure that there are ready libraries that do that, or we could make our own for this simple use case
48 2013-06-10T11:36:51 <sharky93> hmm
49 2013-06-10T11:37:01 <TheSheep> then we can drop all the {{ }} from that js template and move it into a static file
50 2013-06-10T11:37:20 <TheSheep> that file can then be cached by the browser
51 2013-06-10T11:39:36 <sharky93> TheSheep, can you refer some line numbers, I am still not a 100% sure
52 2013-06-10T11:40:29 <TheSheep> sharky93: the most clear example is the line 377 in common.js
53 2013-06-10T11:43:19 <TheSheep> it's right now like this:
54 2013-06-10T11:43:20 <TheSheep> var discardMessage = ' {{ _("Your changes will be discarded if you leave this page without saving.") }} ';
55 2013-06-10T11:43:29 <TheSheep> and we want it to be like this:
56 2013-06-10T11:43:46 <TheSheep> var discardMessage = _('Your changes will be discarded if you leave this page without saving.');
57 2013-06-10T11:44:16 <sharky93> hmm so that instead of being a Jinja2 template, we want pure JS
58 2013-06-10T11:44:21 <TheSheep> yes
59 2013-06-10T11:44:42 <TheSheep> and something like
60 2013-06-10T11:45:05 <TheSheep> _ = function (message) { return translations[message] };
61 2013-06-10T11:45:27 <TheSheep> and translations = { ... } defined in the template
62 2013-06-10T11:47:56 <sharky93> hmm, well explained :) .. and the translations is global?
63 2013-06-10T11:48:24 <TheSheep> the way I have written it -- yes, but it can be written so that only _ is global
64 2013-06-10T11:49:26 <TheSheep> now, I'm sure that there are libraries that do it already, and a couple of other things too, so if you could do some reaearch, make a list of gettext-like libraries for js and try to evaluate them so that you can pick one that best fits our needs
65 2013-06-10T11:51:11 <sharky93> hmm, ok, i'll update the ether-pad and tag you here if i need more clarity or some doubts
66 2013-06-10T12:06:06 <sharky93> TheSheep, anything else we should work on now, maybe something from the proposal?
67 2013-06-10T12:07:44 * ThomasWaldmann would like "make it look less ugly" :)
68 2013-06-10T12:12:24 <sharky93> ThomasWaldmann, but we still do want the features right ? :D stuff which make things easy like UI for ACLs, Namelists, searches etc. :)
69 2013-06-10T12:13:09 <ThomasWaldmann> the UI for ACLs might be a good idea, but iirc it is still too unspecific
70 2013-06-10T12:14:00 <ThomasWaldmann> also the image sizing stuff
71 2013-06-10T12:14:34 <sharky93> the image sizing stuff im pretty confident with, have looked up the code in much detail now
72 2013-06-10T12:18:10 <sharky93> ThomasWaldmann, so should we concentrate more on misc changes.. ? fixing broken things? trying to make it "less ugly" ? :)
73 2013-06-10T12:18:55 <sharky93> i mean the project is surely "Misc UI improvements to Moin2" :D but i was expecting more work involving creating interfaces for stuff like ACLs, Namelists, searches etc..
74 2013-06-10T12:18:58 <sharky93> :)
75 2013-06-10T12:19:02 <ThomasWaldmann> sharky93: TheSheep is your mentor. But one of the bigger issues people had with moin in the past 10yrs is that it looked ugly.
76 2013-06-10T12:20:37 <ThomasWaldmann> And that's maybe a bigger issue to fix than introducing collapsable lists or animated logos or so
77 2013-06-10T12:21:26 <ThomasWaldmann> but do the planning with TheSheep, he's much more competent than me on that field
78 2013-06-10T12:29:00 <TheSheep> the problem with working on improving the looks is that I can't really explain how I do it -- I just see what is wrong an fix that
79 2013-06-10T12:30:37 * ThomasWaldmann also sees it is looking bad, but when I touch the css, it bites me in the hand. :D
80 2013-06-10T12:31:09 <TheSheep> if I just point to places that need fixing and tell what to do, it will end up being my theme, and that's not what we want
81 2013-06-10T12:33:04 <ThomasWaldmann> not sure if can be done like that, but could one just go through fonts, colours, spacings, widget style one after the other?
82 2013-06-10T12:34:05 <ThomasWaldmann> ah, btw, the top right search field looks broken in one of the builtin themes since a while
83 2013-06-10T12:35:09 * ThomasWaldmann just had another look at twitter bootstrap relicensing discussion. if they continue at that speed, we'll have moin3 first.
84 2013-06-10T12:35:45 <TheSheep> there are other css frameworks similar to bootstrap
85 2013-06-10T12:36:36 <ThomasWaldmann> I know but I don't have an idea about what's good and popular.
86 2013-06-10T12:36:57 <TheSheep> bootstrap :)
87 2013-06-10T12:38:09 <TheSheep> jquery mobile is pretty nice too
88 2013-06-10T12:39:35 <ronny_> ThomasWaldmann: i recently took a look at some, can tell you more at the end of the week
89 2013-06-10T12:40:17 <ThomasWaldmann> ronny_: ok, thanks
90 2013-06-10T12:40:32 <ThomasWaldmann> jquery mobile at least has a compatible license
91 2013-06-10T12:40:57 <sharky93> ThomasWaldmann, is MoinMoin not ok with GPLv3?
92 2013-06-10T12:44:02 <ThomasWaldmann> if we would go to "gpl3 or later" just for apache2, we might just have the new problem that we aren't compatible any more to gpl2-only stuff.
93 2013-06-10T12:44:19 <ThomasWaldmann> so it's just exchanging one licensing incompatibility for another :|
94 2013-06-10T12:44:55 <ThomasWaldmann> sharky93: http://view.jquerymobile.com/1.3.1/dist/demos/widgets/accordions/ one part of your project done easy :D
95 2013-06-10T12:47:32 <ThomasWaldmann> TheSheep: i just started looking at their demos for the first time, looks quite ok. did you ever build a non-mobile-only site with it?
96 2013-06-10T12:48:44 *** dave_largo
97 2013-06-10T13:03:38 <sharky93> ThomasWaldmann, TheSheep jQuery mobile looks cool!
98 2013-06-10T13:03:55 <ThomasWaldmann> yeah, I am also impressed meanwhile. :D
99 2013-06-10T13:04:09 <ThomasWaldmann> so, tell me reasons why we should NOT use that :D
100 2013-06-10T13:07:13 <sharky93> I'm not much experienced with jQuery mobile, TheSheep would be the best person to answer :)
101 2013-06-10T13:07:31 <sharky93> you see the Loading animation on their website :P
102 2013-06-10T13:07:49 <ThomasWaldmann> (that was kind of broadcast :)
103 2013-06-10T13:10:05 *** ronny_
104 2013-06-10T13:10:08 <ThomasWaldmann> wow, reflow tables
105 2013-06-10T13:10:45 <sharky93> ThomasWaldmann, btw the person from the US ( the NSA ) .. which we were discussing the other day :P was thesheep :) see @ http://etherpad.osuosl.org/moin-ui
106 2013-06-10T13:11:11 <ThomasWaldmann> TheSheep: HE tunnel? :D
107 2013-06-10T13:12:40 <sharky93> he was mentioning about a conference he was organizing, might be in the US
108 2013-06-10T13:13:26 <ThomasWaldmann> hah and they even have a file input with clear :)
109 2013-06-10T13:13:40 <sharky93> hehe :D
110 2013-06-10T13:14:01 <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: yes, we've build an internal website for a server buying process at our company
111 2013-06-10T13:14:36 <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: it is a little, how to say it, inflexible
112 2013-06-10T13:14:46 <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: or heavy-handed
113 2013-06-10T13:14:54 <ThomasWaldmann> the widgets look all like made just for mobile (big, easy to tap with fingers)
114 2013-06-10T13:14:55 <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: but that may actually be a good thing for moin
115 2013-06-10T13:15:17 <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: yeah, but that's the idea
116 2013-06-10T13:15:32 <TheSheep> that also forces you to make simpler interfaces :P
117 2013-06-10T13:15:50 <ThomasWaldmann> i just wonder whether it can be also smaller so my 20" screen doesn't feel like my mobile :D
118 2013-06-10T13:19:08 <TheSheep> it's somewhat customizable, but that was never the goal
119 2013-06-10T13:20:53 <TheSheep> there are also a couple of other toolkits, but I have only used jquery mobile and bootstrap myself
120 2013-06-10T13:21:13 <ana_ananasova> maybe you might want to consider also another front-end framework, like zurb - http://foundation.zurb.com/
121 2013-06-10T13:21:25 <ThomasWaldmann> your server buying thing, is it public?
122 2013-06-10T13:21:40 <ThomasWaldmann> ah, no, internal
123 2013-06-10T13:25:05 <ThomasWaldmann> disabled javascript == game over, mostly
124 2013-06-10T13:26:20 <ThomasWaldmann> TheSheep: is that expected to break that hard? most stuff from there demo page will just be 404
125 2013-06-10T13:27:06 <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: jquery mobile -- yes
126 2013-06-10T13:27:20 <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: bootstrap mostly works without js
127 2013-06-10T13:35:48 <ThomasWaldmann> http://blog.pamelafox.org/2011/09/switching-from-jquery-mobile-to-twitter.html
128 2013-06-10T13:36:30 <sharky93> ThomasWaldmann, TheSheep this might be good! http://gumbyframework.com/docs
129 2013-06-10T13:38:09 <ana_ananasova> written in sass, that's nice
130 2013-06-10T13:38:15 <sharky93> this one's MIT licensed too!
131 2013-06-10T13:38:34 <ana_ananasova> same as foundation
132 2013-06-10T13:39:34 <sharky93> and more JS independent i believe
133 2013-06-10T13:42:50 * sharky93 tries browsing after switching off JS
134 2013-06-10T13:45:22 <ronny> hmm, i should keep more in the lopp here ^^
135 2013-06-10T13:46:54 <sharky93> ronny, that'd be great :) this time we have now .. (community bonding period) might be the best time to discuss on this :D
136 2013-06-10T13:49:30 <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: do you think about just making a theme that would use one of those frameworks, or do you think it would be good to require it in all themes and build it into moin?
137 2013-06-10T13:50:14 <ThomasWaldmann> good question
138 2013-06-10T13:50:46 <ThomasWaldmann> no matter what, I'ld rather dislike to increase the number of builtin themes we need to maintain
139 2013-06-10T13:51:08 <ronny> sharky93: i'll look into it deeper after work
140 2013-06-10T13:53:42 <ThomasWaldmann> argh, buttons "metro style"
141 2013-06-10T13:57:05 * ThomasWaldmann would somehow appreciate if there would be some fewer css metalanguages
142 2013-06-10T14:00:10 <sharky93> there's pretty icons too :) .. i somehow have a good feeling about this one
143 2013-06-10T14:08:02 <ana_ananasova> the "pretty buttons" don't look so good imho.
144 2013-06-10T14:11:13 <sharky93> yeah, i dont refer to the "pretty buttons" :) .. more further down they have icons which i was referring to .. imho i would prefer the metro style
145 2013-06-10T14:14:47 <ana_ananasova> ohh, that was just an observation not related to the icons :)
146 2013-06-10T14:16:10 <sharky93> :P
147 2013-06-10T14:19:47 <dreimark> re
148 2013-06-10T14:20:04 <dreimark> ana_ananasova: have you access to a server so you can stay logged in here?
149 2013-06-10T14:24:46 <ana_ananasova> dreimark, no, but i can ask some friends to give me shell access for idling
150 2013-06-10T14:25:21 <dreimark> ana_ananasova: send an ssh key with having a good passphrase to ThomasWaldmann
151 2013-06-10T14:25:36 <dreimark> the public key of course
152 2013-06-10T14:25:42 <ana_ananasova> :D
153 2013-06-10T14:26:03 * ThomasWaldmann .oO(send me all keys and passphrases!!1)
154 2013-06-10T14:26:11 <dreimark> hehe
155 2013-06-10T14:26:28 <ana_ananasova> most probably tomorrow if i don't reach anybody today
156 2013-06-10T14:26:29 <dreimark> make it on github, as others before ...
157 2013-06-10T14:26:55 <dreimark> ana_ananasova: why do you need someone to make a new key?
158 2013-06-10T14:27:06 <ana_ananasova> not the key
159 2013-06-10T14:27:10 <dreimark> btw. that was a joke with github
160 2013-06-10T14:27:22 <dreimark> a lot of people stored there complete homedir there
161 2013-06-10T14:27:39 <dreimark> and haven't used passphrases for some of theire keys
162 2013-06-10T14:28:42 <ana_ananasova> ahh, i still was thinking to set it up on my server. *facepalm*
163 2013-06-10T14:29:18 <ThomasWaldmann> the gumby email validation is pretty stupid. foo@ is valid, but foo is not.
164 2013-06-10T14:30:11 <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: you can't realistically have complete validation
165 2013-06-10T14:30:39 <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: it's better to just validate against spambots posting random trash
166 2013-06-10T14:30:53 <ThomasWaldmann> yeah, but at least avoid obvious crap
167 2013-06-10T14:31:28 <TheSheep> 'anything that has an @ in it' sounds like a good rule of thumb :)
168 2013-06-10T14:32:00 <TheSheep> well, an @ and a valid domain, perhaps
169 2013-06-10T14:32:01 <ThomasWaldmann> if you only have one machine, you can also live without that :)
170 2013-06-10T14:32:20 <ThomasWaldmann> but @ and nothing to the right of it is invalid
171 2013-06-10T14:34:18 <sharky93> TheSheep, are we looking at a possible revamping of the UI using some framework?
172 2013-06-10T14:35:06 <TheSheep> sharky93: I don't think this should be in the scope of this gsoc, but eventually yes
173 2013-06-10T14:35:13 <ThomasWaldmann> jquery mobile looks most impressive yet, but some people have expressed concerns on the web
174 2013-06-10T14:35:14 <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: or should it?
175 2013-06-10T14:35:31 <ThomasWaldmann> i'ld rather reuse some code than reinvent wheel
176 2013-06-10T14:36:39 <ThomasWaldmann> gumby looks simplish somehow, not as smooth (but maybe less js dependency?)
177 2013-06-10T14:37:48 <TheSheep> it's more similar to bootstrap
178 2013-06-10T14:38:06 <TheSheep> no dependency at all, unless you add some js of your own
179 2013-06-10T14:39:38 <TheSheep> the default choice of colors is a little ugly, but that can be easily changed
180 2013-06-10T14:39:53 <ThomasWaldmann> yeah, looks like smarties :)
181 2013-06-10T14:40:25 <sharky93> umm, so we are doing the UI revamp using a framework this soc :) ?
182 2013-06-10T14:40:28 <sharky93> me is confused
183 2013-06-10T14:41:28 <ThomasWaldmann> we still have some time to discuss the options. it would be a plan change, but we are allowed to do that if everybody feels comfortabe with it.
184 2013-06-10T14:41:48 <sharky93> yes, that is what i suggest, no issues with plan changes, but we need to know :)
185 2013-06-10T14:41:58 <TheSheep> sharky93: what do you think yourself?
186 2013-06-10T14:42:03 <TheSheep> sharky93: would you like to do it?
187 2013-06-10T14:43:22 <ThomasWaldmann> we also need to consider what might give the better result
188 2013-06-10T14:44:02 <ThomasWaldmann> also compatibility, maintenance (ours and also upstream if we use some framework), ...
189 2013-06-10T14:44:51 <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: framework will make it easier to add new things and still make it look good, and to maintain the whole thing, but may raise the bar on customizing the themes beyond simple color/graphics change
190 2013-06-10T14:45:21 <TheSheep> also, if the framework gets discontinued...
191 2013-06-10T14:45:41 <ThomasWaldmann> you mean it could be more difficult than without the framework?
192 2013-06-10T14:46:39 <ThomasWaldmann> (I mean for more or less "expected" themes, not for totally strange/crazy stuff)
193 2013-06-10T14:46:44 <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: not necessarily more difficult, actually even easier, but would require familiarizing yourself with the framework -- so more reading
194 2013-06-10T14:47:13 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, that's expected. so good docs are important also. :)
195 2013-06-10T14:47:35 <TheSheep> another plus side of the framework -- they maintain at least part of the docs
196 2013-06-10T14:49:05 <ThomasWaldmann> but if we look at moin 1.9 themes: quite a lot of them were (IMHO) in the 50-80% done range, usually with quite some issues / inconsistencies / design flaws left. and it was a pain to make them.
197 2013-06-10T14:49:49 <ThomasWaldmann> so if most of the fundamental stuff would just work and look somehow pretty by default, that would be a big win.
198 2013-06-10T14:50:38 <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: if you look at http://gumbyframework.com/customize you can see, that people will be able to customize some basic stuff easily without even touching css themselves
199 2013-06-10T14:51:03 <ThomasWaldmann> sharky93: http://moinmo.in/ThemeMarket moin 1.x themes
200 2013-06-10T14:51:13 <TheSheep> other frameworks usually have a similar form
201 2013-06-10T14:51:59 <sharky93> TheSheep, i would not have a problem as such, but would need more inputs, more discussions with you.. my proposal as such involves developing UI's for ACLs, Namelists, Searches .. some AJAX, and some important bug-fixes.. I think we'll have to do the bug-fixes part and AJAX stuff anyway? it's the UI part which takes a hit.
202 2013-06-10T14:52:20 <ThomasWaldmann> is that the usual way, to "compile" the colours into it? and not just load some additional css, using the same theme for all the rest=
203 2013-06-10T14:52:53 <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: usually it's built with something like sass, so it just sets the sass variables to those colors
204 2013-06-10T14:53:14 <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: it's not possible to simply add an overlay css, because those colors can appear in many places
205 2013-06-10T14:53:37 <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: that form basically just sets a bunch of sass variables and compiles it to css
206 2013-06-10T14:54:15 <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: it can be also done by editing the settings file, as they explain on top of the page
207 2013-06-10T14:55:40 <TheSheep> of course then you need to run moin's make
208 2013-06-10T15:07:34 <sharky93> TheSheep, i'll be looking up about the JS splitting in an hour or so .. how do we deal with the UI revamp plans? :)
209 2013-06-10T15:09:41 <TheSheep> sharky93: I think that we need to look at the available frameworks first. If there is none that would be good for us and have a good license, then we will defer that.
210 2013-06-10T15:10:07 <TheSheep> sharky93: I will research that gumpy framework, because it looks promising
211 2013-06-10T15:11:26 <ThomasWaldmann> can you all put the framework eval results on the EP?
212 2013-06-10T15:13:09 <sharky93> TheSheep, on what points do we need to evaluate the frameworks?
213 2013-06-10T15:13:33 <ThomasWaldmann> let's just brainstorm a bit on EP :)
214 2013-06-10T15:13:39 <ThomasWaldmann> ronny: http://etherpad.osuosl.org/moin-ui
215 2013-06-10T15:14:30 <sharky93> ThomasWaldmann, we might want a new etherpad for this :D
216 2013-06-10T15:14:46 <sharky93> moin-ui-frameworks maybe?
217 2013-06-10T15:15:34 <ThomasWaldmann> I'ld prefer having it at one place. once it is decided, you can remove most of it again.
218 2013-06-10T15:38:14 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, all students please remember to regularly backup your etherpad to a local (backup) medium, so you don't lose anything if the EP server crashes
219 2013-06-10T15:39:43 <ThomasWaldmann> lol @ europython.org shark in the "hurry up" banner
220 2013-06-10T15:40:36 <TheSheep> is that a shark?
221 2013-06-10T15:40:41 <TheSheep> looks more like a ghost
222 2013-06-10T15:41:25 <ThomasWaldmann> it has a big mouth
223 2013-06-10T15:41:40 <dreimark> it is only orange for me
224 2013-06-10T15:41:49 <ana_ananasova> hover it
225 2013-06-10T15:42:57 <sharky93> i think adapted from PacMan :P
226 2013-06-10T15:43:08 <ThomasWaldmann> bubble bobble?
227 2013-06-10T15:43:40 <sharky93> might as well be that :)
228 2013-06-10T15:44:09 <sharky93> i felt soo happy when you mentioned a shark :P
229 2013-06-10T16:04:50 *** ana_ananasova
230 2013-06-10T16:21:05 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: ah, it eats the chars if you point right
231 2013-06-10T16:27:33 <ThomasWaldmann> sharky93: does your ssh account work?
232 2013-06-10T16:35:46 *** chitrank
233 2013-06-10T16:46:22 <sharky93> ThomasWaldmann, setting up corkscrew, will respond asap.
234 2013-06-10T16:47:16 <sharky93> ThomasWaldmann, dreimark btw the ghost is @ http://www.giantbomb.com/baron-von-blubba/3005-10958/ :P .. confirmed from Euro Python help chat :)
235 2013-06-10T16:54:20 <ronny> rere
236 2013-06-10T16:54:23 <ronny> meh
237 2013-06-10T16:54:28 <ronny> in bad mobile internet again
238 2013-06-10T16:54:54 <ronny> ThomasWaldmann: atm im investigating some very minimalistic css frameworks (pure.css/normalize.css)
239 2013-06-10T16:55:13 <ronny> ThomasWaldmann: will go to the rtherpad when dsl works again
240 2013-06-10T17:01:19 <sharky93> TheSheep, your thoughts on pure.css, normalize.css ? i was looking up http://purecss.io/ it might solve our issues?
241 2013-06-10T17:08:42 <dreimark> currently three people in the moin spring
242 2013-06-10T17:08:50 <dreimark> s/g/t/
243 2013-06-10T17:10:54 *** sharky93
244 2013-06-10T17:14:53 <TheSheep> sharky93_: hmm, I like that they use prefixes, so it won't clash with content classes
245 2013-06-10T17:20:08 *** sharky93
246 2013-06-10T17:33:12 <ThomasWaldmann> oh, a whale, not a shark, AND a ghost :P
247 2013-06-10T17:33:53 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: what sprint?
248 2013-06-10T17:36:39 *** eSyr_
249 2013-06-10T17:36:39 *** spy__
250 2013-06-10T17:42:24 *** sharky93
251 2013-06-10T17:42:26 *** spy_
252 2013-06-10T17:42:26 *** eSyr
253 2013-06-10T18:20:50 *** ana_ananasova
254 2013-06-10T18:21:56 *** greg_f
255 2013-06-10T18:48:43 *** sharky93
256 2013-06-10T18:58:59 * sharky93 yawns
257 2013-06-10T19:00:38 <sharky93> should get some sleep .. maybe we can continue the discussion tomorrow
258 2013-06-10T19:01:54 <sharky93> there are some updates on the etherpad
259 2013-06-10T19:02:15 <sharky93> @ http://etherpad.osuosl.org/moin-ui
260 2013-06-10T19:02:15 <moinBot> sharky93: Error: "http://etherpad.osuosl.org/moin-ui" is not a valid command.
261 2013-06-10T19:02:28 <sharky93> umm @ http://etherpad.osuosl.org/moin-ui
262 2013-06-10T19:02:29 <TheSheep> moinBot: down boy
263 2013-06-10T19:02:29 <moinBot> TheSheep: Error: "down" is not a valid command.
264 2013-06-10T19:04:23 <sharky93> ThomasWaldmann, dreimark you might want to have a look :) @ http://etherpad.osuosl.org/moin-ui
265 2013-06-10T19:04:26 <sharky93> gn
266 2013-06-10T19:05:44 <sharky93> umm btw, TheSheep, is there anything else i should look into now .. apart from the splitting JS part ?
267 2013-06-10T19:07:45 * sharky93 goes to bed, will check the logs in the morning
268 2013-06-10T19:07:50 <TheSheep> sharky93_: familiarize yourself with the search action, maybe?
269 2013-06-10T19:07:50 *** sharky93
270 2013-06-10T19:23:41 *** chitrank
271 2013-06-10T20:09:18 *** dave_largo
272 2013-06-10T20:12:13 *** dave_largo
273 2013-06-10T20:38:02 *** jek_
274 2013-06-10T20:40:04 *** jek
275 2013-06-10T21:00:03 *** jek
276 2013-06-10T21:00:33 *** jek
277 2013-06-10T21:04:56 *** ana_ananasova
278 2013-06-10T21:06:58 *** jek
279 2013-06-10T21:19:45 *** dave_largo
280 2013-06-10T21:24:10 *** waldiTM
281 2013-06-10T21:49:04 *** waldiTM
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