1 2013-08-08T06:32:15 <ananasova> moin
2 2013-08-08T06:41:09 <sharky93> moin
3 2013-08-08T06:43:31 *** ashutosh1461
4 2013-08-08T06:55:03 <ashutosh1461> moin
5 2013-08-08T06:55:47 <ashutosh1461> ThomasWaldmann, interesting point about considering the /+deleted view to be rather a /+garbage view.
6 2013-08-08T06:57:44 <sharky93> TheSheep: ThomasWaldmann how about replacing the outline for the side navbars too? i mean with the box-shadow bootstrap provides
7 2013-08-08T07:25:49 <TheSheep> sharky93: communicate, not decorate
8 2013-08-08T07:33:16 <sharky93> TheSheep: i just thought of maybe extending https://bitbucket.org/sharky93/moin-2.0-bootstrap/issue/19/small-cosmetic-issue-with-tabs-in-modify but ok :)
9 2013-08-08T07:35:42 <TheSheep> sharky93: we can try spiffying it up a little at the end, if there is any time left
10 2013-08-08T07:36:26 <TheSheep> sharky93: by the way, it would be nice to have a makefile in the theme's directory, with the command to compile it
11 2013-08-08T07:37:10 <TheSheep> sharky93: and some README about what is needed for building and how to do it
12 2013-08-08T07:58:39 <sharky93> ok
13 2013-08-08T09:19:58 *** greg_f
14 2013-08-08T09:24:15 <ananasova> waldi: hi, uploaded the cr with determining change types on item change. please review https://codereview.appspot.com/12652043/
15 2013-08-08T11:57:12 <ThomasWaldmann> ashutosh1461: well, it is better describing what one sees there.
16 2013-08-08T12:37:17 *** dave_largo
17 2013-08-08T13:41:38 <ananasova> ThomasWaldmann: added some comments to https://codereview.appspot.com/12652043/
18 2013-08-08T13:53:19 <ThomasWaldmann> replied
19 2013-08-08T14:00:28 <sharky93> TheSheep: ThomasWaldmann if free please have a look at how the new location breadcrumbs look
20 2013-08-08T14:00:35 * sharky93 pushes location bcs changeset
21 2013-08-08T14:17:32 *** brunomartin
22 2013-08-08T14:18:41 * sharky93 needs some feedback on the location bcs
23 2013-08-08T14:30:30 <TheSheep> sharky93: the nonexistent links are not styled differently?
24 2013-08-08T14:32:27 <TheSheep> sharky93: those are not breadcumbs, it's the page path
25 2013-08-08T14:32:36 <TheSheep> sharky93: breadcrumbs are for history
26 2013-08-08T14:33:45 <sharky93> TheSheep: the word breadcrumb is explicitly used for history?
27 2013-08-08T14:34:55 <TheSheep> sharky93: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hansel_and_Gretel#Plot <-- see the second paragraph of the plot
28 2013-08-08T14:36:39 <TheSheep> sharky93: the term is from that fairy tale -- breadcrumbs being used to mark the places that you have already visited
29 2013-08-08T14:37:06 <sharky93> TheSheep: ah, nice :)
30 2013-08-08T14:37:49 <TheSheep> breadcrumb trail
31 2013-08-08T14:55:25 *** dave_largo
32 2013-08-08T15:28:18 <ThomasWaldmann> TheSheep: iirc the terminology was "location breadcrumbs" (== path to current location via parents hierarchy) and "path breadcrumbs" (== path trough the wiki the user has taken, trail, last visited pages)
33 2013-08-08T15:30:58 <ThomasWaldmann> http://psychology.wichita.edu/surl/usabilitynews/52/breadcrumb.htm
34 2013-08-08T15:33:20 <ThomasWaldmann> WP seems a bit confused about this, as they refer to H&G but do not list path breadcrumbs, but only location. %)
35 2013-08-08T15:41:02 <ThomasWaldmann> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Breadcrumb_%28navigation%29 i added the "Confused?" paragraph there :)
36 2013-08-08T15:42:12 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, the german page lists all 3 types...
37 2013-08-08T15:42:40 <ThomasWaldmann> "Brotkrümelnavigation" hah!
38 2013-08-08T15:44:41 <ThomasWaldmann> and the breadcrumbs also only exist in the english version, the german one says it were small white stones.
39 2013-08-08T15:45:17 <ThomasWaldmann> which is definitely a better idea as it less likey gets eaten away :D
40 2013-08-08T15:59:19 <TheSheep> I suppose "small-white-stone-navigation" wouldn't sound so nice outside of German :P
41 2013-08-08T16:01:07 <ThomasWaldmann> stoned navigation maybe? :D
42 2013-08-08T16:04:51 <ThomasWaldmann> sharky93: the quickest way to get feedback for visual things is to give a screenshot
43 2013-08-08T16:34:04 <sharky93> ThomasWaldmann: this http://imagebin.org/266916 & http://imagebin.org/266917
44 2013-08-08T16:35:31 <sharky93> ThomasWaldmann: this is non-existent now https://bitbucket.org/sharky93/moin-2.0-bootstrap/issue/9/padding-border-size-issues-top-bar-vs i think from the shift to bsv3, shall i close it?
45 2013-08-08T16:36:12 <sharky93> +1 for stoned-navigation ;)
46 2013-08-08T16:57:58 <sharky93> TheSheep: currently the "stoned-navigation" :P, is displayed only for existing pages, why would we want it for pages which dont exist ?
47 2013-08-08T17:00:33 <ThomasWaldmann> sharky93: as i didn't see it yet, i can't say if it can be closed
48 2013-08-08T17:00:52 <ThomasWaldmann> but you should see that yourself. if it is fixed, close it.
49 2013-08-08T17:01:13 <ThomasWaldmann> (and refer to a commit when it was fixed)
50 2013-08-08T17:01:50 <sharky93> ThomasWaldmann: i think, you can see in that screenshot? :)
51 2013-08-08T17:02:02 <sharky93> the two imagebins
52 2013-08-08T17:04:16 <ThomasWaldmann> ah, i thought they are non-existent...
53 2013-08-08T17:04:20 * ThomasWaldmann looks
54 2013-08-08T17:06:48 <ThomasWaldmann> yeah, that looks better now.
55 2013-08-08T17:07:20 <ThomasWaldmann> the contrast is still an issue, but that's another issue...
56 2013-08-08T17:08:13 <sharky93> hmm, once the majority functional feature start looking good, we could spiff everyting up :)
57 2013-08-08T17:08:17 <sharky93> *features
58 2013-08-08T17:09:26 <ThomasWaldmann> why is #8 still not fixed? it sounds rather trivial, is there a problem?
59 2013-08-08T17:09:50 <ThomasWaldmann> https://bitbucket.org/sharky93/moin-2.0-bootstrap/issue/8/colour-contrast-issues
60 2013-08-08T17:11:07 <ThomasWaldmann> (btw, this time i have a different screen and it is still an issue. it's hardly readable at 90 deg angle and completely vanishes at 70 deg or so)
61 2013-08-08T17:11:26 <ThomasWaldmann> not an ips panel, obviously
62 2013-08-08T17:12:57 <ThomasWaldmann> and can you also try #10 with bs3 styles, is it still looking that bad?
63 2013-08-08T17:29:02 *** greg_f
64 2013-08-08T17:40:47 <TheSheep> sharky93: non-existent pages can appear in the breadcrumb trai;
65 2013-08-08T17:40:50 <TheSheep> trail
66 2013-08-08T17:44:55 <TheSheep> sharky93: but that's a general observation, not just for the navigation
67 2013-08-08T17:46:36 <ThomasWaldmann> (and now as we have an index, that is hopefully less expensive - with a lot of links in the theme / rendered page, it was quite expensive in 1.9)
68 2013-08-08T18:06:10 <sharky93> TheSheep: so no need to add non-existent pages to the location breadcrumbs, right?. #22 still holds valid for path breadcrumbs btw
69 2013-08-08T18:07:43 <sharky93> ThomasWaldmann: no problems with #8 as such, i've not worked with it
70 2013-08-08T18:08:37 <TheSheep> sharky93: that's besides the point, all links to non-existent pages, anywhere in the navigation or the page, should be rendered differently
71 2013-08-08T18:12:18 <sharky93> hmm, ok
72 2013-08-08T18:13:43 <sharky93> TheSheep: ThomasWaldmann should i close https://bitbucket.org/sharky93/moin-2.0-bootstrap/issue/13/location-breadcrumbs-missing ?
73 2013-08-08T18:37:36 <ThomasWaldmann> sharky93: http://imagebin.org/266916 - is "Home" linking to Home and subitem linking to "Home/subitem" (stuff below the "Show" tab)?
74 2013-08-08T18:38:43 <ThomasWaldmann> if so, that are the location breadcrumbs.
75 2013-08-08T18:39:37 <ThomasWaldmann> (not sure if that is the best place there, people might confuse it with heading / title, that's an old issue of that place)
76 2013-08-08T18:41:15 <ThomasWaldmann> maybe put it right above the path breadcrumbs, and label both appropriately? TheSheep?
77 2013-08-08T18:41:53 <ThomasWaldmann> (that would definitely avoid abuse as heading :)
78 2013-08-08T18:50:28 <TheSheep> I would see it right above the tabs
79 2013-08-08T18:50:40 <TheSheep> this way the hierarchy is right
80 2013-08-08T18:51:10 <TheSheep> history trails -> page path -> different view for that page -> current view
81 2013-08-08T18:51:57 <sharky93> The point behind increasing the size of the current item in those location breadcrumbs was to make it serve the purpose of a title, bad idea?
82 2013-08-08T18:52:24 <ThomasWaldmann> TheSheep: right, good point
83 2013-08-08T18:52:58 <TheSheep> sharky93: also, why h4?
84 2013-08-08T18:53:04 <TheSheep> sharky93: should be h1, no?
85 2013-08-08T18:53:21 <ThomasWaldmann> it can be a little bigger or bold to indicate that, but don't make it in any way that people would see it as title rather than navigation
86 2013-08-08T18:53:46 <sharky93> TheSheep: yeah, that can be changed
87 2013-08-08T18:53:56 <ThomasWaldmann> and h1 .. hn will get used by content
88 2013-08-08T18:54:00 <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: how it looks can be changed, I mean the meaning of the html used
89 2013-08-08T18:54:40 <ThomasWaldmann> maybe not Hn at all?
90 2013-08-08T18:56:36 <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: no, I think it's a h1 alright, semantically
91 2013-08-08T18:56:41 <ThomasWaldmann> sharky93: btw, the xstatic packages were ok or was there something to be improved?
92 2013-08-08T18:56:59 <sharky93> ThomasWaldmann: it was ok
93 2013-08-08T18:57:03 <ThomasWaldmann> TheSheep: why is navigation a headline?
94 2013-08-08T18:57:21 <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: it indicates the current item
95 2013-08-08T18:57:33 <ThomasWaldmann> so? :)
96 2013-08-08T18:57:34 <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: it's a "you are here"
97 2013-08-08T18:57:46 <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: it's the same thing that you put in the window title
98 2013-08-08T18:57:50 <TheSheep> it's the title
99 2013-08-08T18:58:16 <ThomasWaldmann> people will get all confused again
100 2013-08-08T18:58:33 <ThomasWaldmann> we have that problem since years with themes...
101 2013-08-08T18:58:51 <TheSheep> what is it then?
102 2013-08-08T18:59:08 <ThomasWaldmann> it navigation, like all the other navigation you see in the theme area
103 2013-08-08T18:59:45 <ThomasWaldmann> and the document (data, from storage) will be the basis for all content, including headlines.
104 2013-08-08T18:59:47 <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: it's not navigation, because it changes with every single click. navigation is when you have a bunch of links and all that changes is one of them gets highlighted as current
105 2013-08-08T19:00:39 <ThomasWaldmann> well, it's breadcrumbs, they are intended to behave like that. but breadcrumbs are not the title.
106 2013-08-08T19:01:17 <TheSheep> the location
107 2013-08-08T19:01:26 <TheSheep> or path
108 2013-08-08T19:02:38 <ThomasWaldmann> if you want the title/h1 to be "Hänsel und Gretel" that would be in the markup and the page name could still be haensel_und_gretel (for example)
109 2013-08-08T19:03:02 <ThomasWaldmann> like filename for resume.doc and main heading in there "My Resume"
110 2013-08-08T19:04:04 <sharky93> in case this helps -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIUfwnW8vDI
111 2013-08-08T19:05:27 <ThomasWaldmann> sharky93: ok, location breadcrumbs work :)
112 2013-08-08T19:06:06 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, in moin 1.9 the last fragment linked to backlinks search. that was a big mistake costings lots of performance due to stupid bots.
113 2013-08-08T19:07:51 <sharky93> ThomasWaldmann: TheSheep in this video, location bcs used h1, do we now change its position to above the tabs?
114 2013-08-08T19:08:03 <ThomasWaldmann> yup
115 2013-08-08T19:08:53 <ThomasWaldmann> and maybe use some real document (with = some headline =) to try
116 2013-08-08T19:09:08 * sharky93 tries
117 2013-08-08T19:10:13 <sharky93> hmm doesnt look good,
118 2013-08-08T19:10:57 <ThomasWaldmann> be semantically correct first and then improve looks :)
119 2013-08-08T19:13:59 <ThomasWaldmann> not sure if it is helpful, but some time back i head the idea to combine both trails, maybe using some sort of dropdown on the last item to have the parents
120 2013-08-08T19:14:06 <ThomasWaldmann> had*
121 2013-08-08T19:29:28 <sharky93> ThomasWaldmann: TheSheep does this look ok http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIBWTtI9R7U ?
122 2013-08-08T19:30:28 <TheSheep> sharky93: this gives me an idea
123 2013-08-08T19:30:35 <TheSheep> sharky93: how about you do something like
124 2013-08-08T19:31:11 <ThomasWaldmann> left border/padding is different
125 2013-08-08T19:31:20 <TheSheep> Page1 >> Page2/Subpage1 >> Page3 >> Page4 / Subpage2
126 2013-08-08T19:31:36 <TheSheep> where the last item is the path
127 2013-08-08T19:31:49 <TheSheep> maybe even bold
128 2013-08-08T19:32:05 <ThomasWaldmann> TheSheep: yeah, similar to my idea, just no dropdown :)
129 2013-08-08T19:32:50 <ThomasWaldmann> sounds good at first glance
130 2013-08-08T19:33:04 <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: the dropdown could be saved for items with multiple names ;)
131 2013-08-08T19:33:13 <sharky93> ^ +1
132 2013-08-08T19:33:53 <ThomasWaldmann> just make sure the different semantics and separators somehow really gets visible / obvious
133 2013-08-08T19:34:52 <ThomasWaldmann> maybe the padding around >> should be bigger than the one for / in the rightmost part
134 2013-08-08T19:36:03 <ThomasWaldmann> so it is somehow visible that this whole thing somehow belongs together and is the current element
135 2013-08-08T19:36:09 <ThomasWaldmann> bold is also good idea
136 2013-08-08T19:36:13 <TheSheep> actually / shouldn't have padding, I just added it to show that they should be separated links
137 2013-08-08T19:36:28 <TheSheep> but on the web page that will be visible because the / will not be blue
138 2013-08-08T19:37:33 <ThomasWaldmann> the links at the left will also have slashes inside, but they are not fragmented / not each fragment clickable on its own
139 2013-08-08T19:38:40 <ThomasWaldmann> hmm, one issue:
140 2013-08-08T19:39:12 <ThomasWaldmann> where would we put interwiki name and namespace later? that somehow doesn not fit great in there.
141 2013-08-08T19:39:37 <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: in meta?
142 2013-08-08T19:39:53 <ThomasWaldmann> (but somehow it is part of the hierarchy that location breadcrumbs are representing)
143 2013-08-08T19:40:33 <ThomasWaldmann> i mean on the UI :)
144 2013-08-08T19:40:35 <TheSheep> a >> b >> WikiName:a/b/c
145 2013-08-08T19:40:51 <TheSheep> or maybe
146 2013-08-08T19:41:00 <TheSheep> WikiName: a >> b >> a/b/c
147 2013-08-08T19:41:11 <ThomasWaldmann> yeah + namespace
148 2013-08-08T19:41:23 <ThomasWaldmann> well, maybe it works, let's see :)
149 2013-08-08T19:41:26 <TheSheep> then again, the name of the wiki goes next to the logo at the top
150 2013-08-08T19:41:30 <TheSheep> so no need to repeat it
151 2013-08-08T19:42:18 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, did you both see that ubuntu edge thing?
152 2013-08-08T19:42:49 <TheSheep> yeah, but I doubt it's time for it yet
153 2013-08-08T19:42:56 <TheSheep> in a year or two -- maybe
154 2013-08-08T19:43:03 <TheSheep> also, that phone has no physical keyboard
155 2013-08-08T19:43:09 <ThomasWaldmann> it won't be there before next year (if ever)
156 2013-08-08T19:43:32 <ThomasWaldmann> yeah, i also want a "laptop-like dock" additionally :)
157 2013-08-08T19:43:56 <sharky93> last i checked they dropped the price by more than 100$'s
158 2013-08-08T19:44:28 *** brunomartin
159 2013-08-08T19:45:46 <ThomasWaldmann> likely they noticed the slowdown
160 2013-08-08T19:46:33 * ThomasWaldmann jumped on it at first day :D
161 2013-08-08T19:46:54 <sharky93> :P, you must be getting some refund now?
162 2013-08-08T19:46:55 <TheSheep> I've had enough of playing early adopter for the last 2 years
163 2013-08-08T19:47:21 <TheSheep> besides, if that works, such phones will be all over the place
164 2013-08-08T19:47:30 <ThomasWaldmann> sharky93: if they don't reach goal in 2 weeks, yes
165 2013-08-08T19:48:05 <sharky93> ThomasWaldmann: apart from that, since now they've reduced the price, you might have bought at a higher price, no?
166 2013-08-08T19:48:12 <ThomasWaldmann> TheSheep: it's kind like a PoC
167 2013-08-08T19:48:29 <ThomasWaldmann> 600 + shipping
168 2013-08-08T19:48:49 <ThomasWaldmann> usd
169 2013-08-08T19:52:51 <sharky93> nice
170 2013-08-08T20:06:46 <ThomasWaldmann> https://bitbucket.org/mchaput/whoosh/wiki/commits/2772707a26977b821986fdcddcc08bb526aadc74 nice 500 :D
171 2013-08-08T20:07:39 <ThomasWaldmann> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/whoosh/yjgf9iIQDAo btw, whoosh news / plans
172 2013-08-08T20:11:27 <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: why are everyone making their own "efficient" key-value databases :/
173 2013-08-08T20:12:08 <ThomasWaldmann> you know a pure python one for these requirements?
174 2013-08-08T20:12:21 <ThomasWaldmann> add it to the wiki page :)
175 2013-08-08T20:13:13 <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: there is a pure python redis lib
176 2013-08-08T20:13:13 <ThomasWaldmann> and I also want to know in case we need yet another backend for moin :D
177 2013-08-08T20:13:32 <TheSheep> also, I would just build one on top of sqlite
178 2013-08-08T20:13:45 <ThomasWaldmann> but that needs redis server, right?
179 2013-08-08T20:13:54 <TheSheep> sqlite doesn't
180 2013-08-08T20:13:58 <ThomasWaldmann> and he benchmarked sqlite and it was slow for him
181 2013-08-08T20:14:08 <ThomasWaldmann> https://bitbucket.org/mchaput/whoosh/wiki/Whoosh3
182 2013-08-08T20:14:09 <TheSheep> and since sqlite is build into python, you don't need to have it pure python
183 2013-08-08T20:14:39 <ThomasWaldmann> scroll down a bit, that's even slower than his pure python code (for Search)
184 2013-08-08T20:14:46 <TheSheep> sqlite is quite fast for an ACID database
185 2013-08-08T20:15:28 * ThomasWaldmann needs to look at that LMDB and LevelDB stuff, didn't hear from that yet
186 2013-08-08T20:16:06 <TheSheep> of course, his data store won't have any assurances, so it will be fast
187 2013-08-08T20:16:27 <TheSheep> until he realizes that data considtency, availability and integrity are actually nice things to have
188 2013-08-08T20:16:47 <ThomasWaldmann> lol, i googled for lmdb (like LMDB), and get imdb.com as first result
189 2013-08-08T20:17:18 <TheSheep> google is like that
190 2013-08-08T20:17:29 <TheSheep> is why I don't use it
191 2013-08-08T20:18:20 <TheSheep> "your query doesn't look like one of our most popular queries, you must have made a mistake"
192 2013-08-08T20:18:39 <ThomasWaldmann> ah, lmdb is the ldap stuff
193 2013-08-08T20:19:01 <sharky93> TheSheep: what do you use to search the web then?
194 2013-08-08T20:19:36 <TheSheep> sharky93: duckduckgo
195 2013-08-08T20:21:08 <TheSheep> there are sume drunk idiot soccer fans yelling by my window
196 2013-08-08T20:21:24 * TheSheep wonders what to do with the corpses
197 2013-08-08T20:21:52 <ThomasWaldmann> zombie apocalypse training
198 2013-08-08T20:23:22 * sharky93 likes putting his headphones to use when the environment tries to disturb :P
199 2013-08-08T20:24:30 <sharky93> btw, TheSheep is this ok http://imagebin.org/266950 ?
200 2013-08-08T20:25:06 <TheSheep> sharky93: I was thinking about puttin it on one line
201 2013-08-08T20:25:19 <TheSheep> sharky93: but you can leave it like that for now
202 2013-08-08T20:25:33 <TheSheep> sharky93: oh, without the slash at the end
203 2013-08-08T20:25:51 <TheSheep> and get rid of the extra spaces around /
204 2013-08-08T20:26:24 <sharky93> TheSheep: putting in one line might not be of much use, since even in this test setting there would be an overflow
205 2013-08-08T20:26:33 <sharky93> ^^ willdo
206 2013-08-08T20:27:16 <ThomasWaldmann> guess that should wrap nicely, just for the case
207 2013-08-08T20:27:36 <ThomasWaldmann> (and that case will happen)
208 2013-08-08T20:28:32 <ThomasWaldmann> slightly unpretty is that the "/" is so intense black (compared to the blue and also compared to the path breadcrumbs)
209 2013-08-08T20:28:57 <ThomasWaldmann> also, it maybe should have the same size as the text left to it
210 2013-08-08T20:29:41 <ThomasWaldmann> sharky93: also, you will remove the duplicate from the content area?
211 2013-08-08T20:31:42 <sharky93> ThomasWaldmann: yup
212 2013-08-08T20:32:35 <ThomasWaldmann> is the distance between "still too-black bar" and "Home" bigger than between the lower "Home" and the tabs?
213 2013-08-08T20:33:19 <ThomasWaldmann> if so, maybe reduce the latter one a little, so it is same
214 2013-08-08T20:35:54 <ThomasWaldmann> further, it think there are 2 options for vertical alignment of "Home" (breadcrumbs)
215 2013-08-08T20:36:10 <ThomasWaldmann> either use same baseline as "Site Navigation"
216 2013-08-08T20:36:50 <ThomasWaldmann> or use same top alignment for the left navigation box and the breadcrumbs
217 2013-08-08T20:37:06 <ThomasWaldmann> currently it is neither the one nor the other
218 2013-08-08T20:38:40 <ThomasWaldmann> left alignment of breadcrumbs seems to be ok, same as leftmost tab-label (icon)
219 2013-08-08T20:41:51 <sharky93> hmm, ok
220 2013-08-08T20:41:59 <sharky93> ThomasWaldmann: btw, waht is the use case for https://bitbucket.org/thomaswaldmann/moin-2.0/src/c97b585121fb033305f9b8983a45ddb997ae6964/MoinMoin/templates/layout.html?at=default#cl-81
221 2013-08-08T20:46:08 <sharky93> *what
222 2013-08-08T20:47:01 <ThomasWaldmann> check where it gives title_name to the template
223 2013-08-08T20:47:45 <ThomasWaldmann> maybe it is for some global view, when there is no name?
224 2013-08-08T20:48:07 <ThomasWaldmann> like /+history or so
225 2013-08-08T20:48:52 <ThomasWaldmann> for that case, you don't need to keep the dirtyness of that approach :D
226 2013-08-08T20:49:24 <ThomasWaldmann> (if you can solve better)
227 2013-08-08T20:50:43 * ThomasWaldmann brb
228 2013-08-08T21:38:19 <ashutosh1461> gn
229 2013-08-08T21:38:20 *** ashutosh1461
230 2013-08-08T22:14:48 <sharky93> hmm, a general approach, does not generate <a>'s
231 2013-08-08T22:15:21 * sharky93 says gn
232 2013-08-08T22:20:12 <ThomasWaldmann> gn sharky93
