MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2014-10-20

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   8 2014-10-20T13:23:23  <pjoshi> sharky93_: hello
   9 2014-10-20T13:23:37  <pjoshi> I have been working on a bug
  10 2014-10-20T13:23:55  <pjoshi> I have some doubt
  11 2014-10-20T13:23:56  <pjoshi> csn you help me?
  12 2014-10-20T13:24:07  <pjoshi> *can
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  18 2014-10-20T16:06:42  <ThomasWaldmann> moin
  19 2014-10-20T16:07:02  * ThomasWaldmann had to switch to another freenode host due to ipv6 connectivity problems....
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  21 2014-10-20T17:25:46  <ReimarBauer> moin
  22 2014-10-20T17:25:54  * ReimarBauer have recognized
  23 2014-10-20T17:27:11  <ReimarBauer> ssh: connect to host shell.thinkmo.de port 2222: Network is unreachable
  24 2014-10-20T17:27:45  <ReimarBauer> not sure if that is from my site, worked a few ours before
  25 2014-10-20T17:27:52  <ReimarBauer> +h
  26 2014-10-20T17:47:04  <waldi> ReimarBauer: you lost your v6 route
  27 2014-10-20T17:53:50  <ThomasWaldmann> hi ReimarBauer, hi waldi
  28 2014-10-20T18:22:06  <ReimarBauer> good to know
  29 2014-10-20T18:22:26  <ReimarBauer> hi ThomasWaldmann hi waldi
  30 2014-10-20T19:18:13  <ThomasWaldmann> RogerHaase: do you remember why we have 2 snippets templates now?
  31 2014-10-20T19:22:53  <RogerHaase> ThomasWaldmann: afaik, no good reason to have 2.  I am thinking that most of the templates in basic/templates should be merged leaving only layout,html and show.html
  32 2014-10-20T19:23:23  <RogerHaase> layout.html
  33 2014-10-20T19:26:37  <ThomasWaldmann> that would be good if it can be done in a reasonable way
  34 2014-10-20T19:27:09  <ThomasWaldmann> I am somehow tired of touching anything UI related currently, because it immediately means double work (adapt 2 themes)
  35 2014-10-20T19:28:00  <ThomasWaldmann> i even have thought whether dropping modernized would simplify development
  36 2014-10-20T19:29:14  <ThomasWaldmann> (the basic idea for snippets.html was to provide some default pieces that can be overridden by the admin to customize the looks: logo, footer, etc.)
  37 2014-10-20T19:32:00  <ThomasWaldmann> (same for bug reporting and testing: always 2 themes to consider/test)
  38 2014-10-20T19:34:15  <RogerHaase> I am thinking anything under moin-content should use the standard moin css (no bootstrap classes).  Then the themes can be simplified to just do header, footer, sidebar
  39 2014-10-20T19:35:17  <RogerHaase> If we merge most of the duplicated stuff in basic/templates we are almost there.
  40 2014-10-20T19:35:23  <ThomasWaldmann> but otoh, all content area stuff might look crappy w/o bootstrap
  41 2014-10-20T19:37:01  <RogerHaase> I think the bootstrap tables look rather crappy, e.g. http://localhost:8080/+admin/userbrowser
  42 2014-10-20T19:41:54  <ThomasWaldmann> well, I have another app that uses bootstrap and while it doesn't look spectacular good, it at least looks consistent. can't say that of moin2.
  43 2014-10-20T19:42:37  <ThomasWaldmann> e.g. look at these buttons on the tickets view. ugly and not even well-readable.
  44 2014-10-20T19:46:58  <RogerHaase> agree tickets needs more work (as does a lot of other things), but I find myself disliking bootstrap more the longer I work with it.
  45 2014-10-20T19:48:31  <RogerHaase> html {  font-size: 62.5%; .....
  46 2014-10-20T19:48:56  <RogerHaase> body { ...   font-size: 14px; .....
  47 2014-10-20T19:52:25  <ThomasWaldmann> looks strange, but I bet they know more about css than me :D
  48 2014-10-20T19:55:50  <ThomasWaldmann> https://github.com/nsupdate-info/nsupdate.info/blob/master/nsupdate/static/css/nsupdate.css
  49 2014-10-20T19:56:13  <ThomasWaldmann> also, what i find nice is that ^^^ was all css we needed, everything else comes from BS
  50 2014-10-20T19:57:36  <RogerHaase> I think that most browsers have standard em size of 16px so 16 * .625 = 10px; so later you can do .xxx { width: 30rem; } and hope you are getting 300px. But bootstrap just sets that up, it does not use rem units anywhere.
  51 2014-10-20T20:06:10  <RogerHaase> ThomasWaldmann: the biggest problem to using bootstrap for moin-content is the parsers output many moin-* classes; trying to change that would make a big mess
  52 2014-10-20T20:12:14  <ThomasWaldmann> i guess i wouldn't apply it to content generated by moin converters
  53 2014-10-20T20:12:30  <ThomasWaldmann> but to stuff generated by templates
  54 2014-10-20T20:25:54  <ThomasWaldmann> but guess that contradicts unifying most of the templates...
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  56 2014-10-20T20:34:03  <ThomasWaldmann> RogerHaase: https://github.com/twbs/bootstrap/issues/13737 https://github.com/twbs/bootstrap/pull/13738
  57 2014-10-20T20:43:51  <RogerHaase> Hooray for IE11 :-D Seems crazy to set rem to 10px and then later set font-size: 3.9rem; just to make the math easy. Why not just do font-size: 39px; rather than all the redirection?
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