MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2006-05-26

2006-05-26T02:04:01  <ThomasWaldmann> moin
2006-05-26T08:37:28  <ThomasWaldmann> http://code.google.com/soc/moinmoin/about.html
2006-05-26T09:21:21  <ThomasWaldmann> http://code.google.com/soc/django/appinfo.html?csaid=DB4FE4844F2CEB55
2006-05-26T09:21:36  <ThomasWaldmann> fpletz:
2006-05-26T09:32:30  <ThomasWaldmann> http://code.google.com/soc/monotone/appinfo.html?csaid=55DD913BCF126322 maybe interesting
2006-05-26T09:32:50  <ThomasWaldmann> (monotone based wiki system project)
2006-05-26T10:35:29  <xorAxAx> http://code.google.com/soc/fedora/appinfo.html?csaid=5AAB03FF7BCD4B70 -- anotther SOC project for us
2006-05-26T11:07:29  <fpletz> moin
2006-05-26T11:08:08  <fpletz> ThomasWaldmann: url not found?
2006-05-26T11:08:39  <ThomasWaldmann> ehrm, doesnt work for me, too
2006-05-26T11:09:27  <fpletz> hehe
2006-05-26T11:09:38  <ThomasWaldmann> google changed that stuff, it looks different than 2 hrs ago
2006-05-26T11:11:34  <ThomasWaldmann> and the projects can't be clicked any more
2006-05-26T11:18:03  <fpletz> seems they decided not to make the applications public
2006-05-26T11:28:29  <xorAxAx> fpletz: yes
2006-05-26T11:28:32  <ThomasWaldmann> fpletz: see hg.thinkmo.de
2006-05-26T11:28:37  <xorAxAx> they revoked the public applications
2006-05-26T11:28:47  <xorAxAx> will be available next week again
2006-05-26T11:28:57  <fpletz> ThomasWaldmann: thanks
2006-05-26T11:29:00  <ThomasWaldmann> i made a repository for you for hg testing (please dont commit real code for now)
2006-05-26T11:29:41  <fpletz> ok
2006-05-26T11:29:42  <ThomasWaldmann> just test if committing by ssh works, do some sample changes
2006-05-26T11:44:53  <ThomasWaldmann> Kepplar: i need your ssh public key by mail
2006-05-26T11:48:49  <ThomasWaldmann> Kepplar: we have "items" soon, not "page"s.
2006-05-26T11:49:32  <ThomasWaldmann> Kepplar: what is "index"?
2006-05-26T11:49:37  <ThomasWaldmann> Kepplar: read pep8
2006-05-26T11:50:52  <ThomasWaldmann> Kepplar: accessing metadata could be via some dict-like api (more pythonic)
2006-05-26T11:51:33  <ThomasWaldmann> "connect" and "disconnect" -> open / close (more generic)
2006-05-26T11:52:34  <fpletz> ThomasWaldmann: works flawlessly, thanks
2006-05-26T12:01:44  <xorAxAx> Kepplar: note that you can use puttygen to generate e key
2006-05-26T12:05:25  * xorAxAx answers Kepplar on the -accepted list :)
2006-05-26T12:13:38  <xorAxAx> fpletz: please edit ~/.hgrc and put "[ui]\nusername=Franz ... <mail ...>" in there
2006-05-26T12:13:57  <fpletz> ok
2006-05-26T12:14:19  <xorAxAx> on windows, it is %USERPROFILE%\mercurial.ini
2006-05-26T12:14:37  <fpletz> no windows, never :p
2006-05-26T12:14:52  <xorAxAx> but Kepplar is a mixed user, like me :)
2006-05-26T12:15:37  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: so will there be in/out branches?
2006-05-26T12:15:43  <fpletz> is the email obfuscation in the changelogs done automatically?
2006-05-26T12:16:46  <fpletz> ok, just checked the other repos.. it isn't
2006-05-26T12:21:31  <ThomasWaldmann> i will make also a branch for the mentors
2006-05-26T12:23:56  <xorAxAx> fpletz: i am obfuscating on the second level
2006-05-26T12:24:05  <xorAxAx> fpletz: the first level is sgml encoding
2006-05-26T13:29:35  <xorAxAx> Kepplar: about sprinting - finding an accomodation/location is the hardest part if you volounteer to organise it :)
2006-05-26T15:44:31  <Kepplar> ThomasWaldmann: sure, things should be geting back to normal, sorry i havent been around this week - fathers now back from hospital
2006-05-26T15:44:48  <Kepplar> ThomasWaldmann: i know PEP8, what specific issue you reffering to?
2006-05-26T15:45:08  <Kepplar> ThomasWaldmann: dict like method for metadata is what i was planning anyway
2006-05-26T15:45:45  <Kepplar> xorAxAx: yep, I agree, but im prepared to sort it out
2006-05-26T15:51:51  <Kepplar> ThomasWaldmann: oh an index allows you to modify certain data
2006-05-26T15:51:55  <Kepplar> data should be kept in a list
2006-05-26T15:52:07  <Kepplar> this is a way to impliment multiple data on a wiki item
2006-05-26T15:52:17  <Kepplar> effectively giving the storage engines wikimedia like sections
2006-05-26T16:01:15  <xorAxAx> ugh, what a weather
2006-05-26T16:01:18  <xorAxAx> raining!
2006-05-26T16:01:20  <xorAxAx> and cold.
2006-05-26T16:02:09  <xorAxAx> Kepplar: so what kind of location are you thinking of?
2006-05-26T16:02:43  <Kepplar> Depends how many people
2006-05-26T16:03:36  <xorAxAx> i think i could organise a room here as well, just sleeping is not easy
2006-05-26T16:03:47  <xorAxAx> i dont think that the university allows sleeping bags in the uni
2006-05-26T16:04:58  <Kepplar> my units 1.5 hours by train from london (20 mins from Ashford international (stop prior to london on the eurostar)
2006-05-26T16:05:01  <Kepplar> uni even
2006-05-26T16:05:07  <Kepplar> although I'm not in Caterbury atm :P
2006-05-26T16:05:11  <Kepplar> hmm
2006-05-26T16:05:41  <xorAxAx> its cheaper by plane ...
2006-05-26T16:05:51  <xorAxAx> than getting the eurostar to london
2006-05-26T16:06:08  <Kepplar> how much?
2006-05-26T16:06:24  * xorAxAx checks ryanair
2006-05-26T16:06:45  <xorAxAx> the MM internation conference was in egypt last year
2006-05-26T16:06:47  <Kepplar> bah i have set the wiki when i get home, hard to do on a Sony C1 ><
2006-05-26T16:06:54  <xorAxAx> we paid 60 EUR return
2006-05-26T16:06:57  <Kepplar> :o
2006-05-26T16:06:58  <xorAxAx> C1?
2006-05-26T16:07:03  <Kepplar> picturebook
2006-05-26T16:07:06  <xorAxAx> ah
2006-05-26T16:07:07  <Kepplar> ultrasmall laptop
2006-05-26T16:07:07  <xorAxAx> 11"?
2006-05-26T16:07:11  <Kepplar> 8.7
2006-05-26T16:07:13  <xorAxAx> heh
2006-05-26T16:07:18  <Kepplar> xtra-widescreen
2006-05-26T16:07:29  <xorAxAx> london is 10 EUR
2006-05-26T16:07:39  <Kepplar> was gonna get sprint.eu but its taken :/
2006-05-26T16:07:43  <xorAxAx> one direction
2006-05-26T16:07:45  <xorAxAx> LOL
2006-05-26T16:07:57  <Kepplar> lol
2006-05-26T16:08:24  <Kepplar> i suppose everyone speaks english which is a pro for london
2006-05-26T16:08:50  <Kepplar> my german is rusty, and we won't even go into my french :>
2006-05-26T16:09:16  <xorAxAx> umm, you dont need to speak german to come here :)
2006-05-26T16:09:26  <xorAxAx> ok, its 10 EUR to go to london
2006-05-26T16:09:56  <xorAxAx> but i would have to get to weeze by train (quite expensive) and from standsted to caterbury (train again)
2006-05-26T16:10:08  <Kepplar> er
2006-05-26T16:10:13  <Kepplar> nah it wouldnt happen in canterbury
2006-05-26T16:10:24  <Kepplar> well
2006-05-26T16:10:25  <Kepplar> i dunno
2006-05-26T16:10:26  <xorAxAx> or any other location outside of london :)
2006-05-26T16:10:27  <Kepplar> we'll have to see
2006-05-26T16:10:50  <Kepplar> luckily im know the director of the computing laboratory
2006-05-26T16:10:55  <Kepplar> i*
2006-05-26T16:11:04  <xorAxAx> hmm, train connection is 3.5 hours to the airport, 2x 26 EUR
2006-05-26T16:11:46  <xorAxAx> affordable
2006-05-26T17:18:06  <ThomasWaldmann> Kepplar: fn(arg1, arg2=val2) not fn(arg, arg2 = val2)
2006-05-26T17:18:29  <Kepplar> good point :)
2006-05-26T17:18:39  <ThomasWaldmann> but: x = 1 (not x=1) if it stands alone
2006-05-26T17:18:47  <Kepplar> yeap
2006-05-26T17:18:56  <Kepplar> i couldnt remember which way round off the top of my head
2006-05-26T17:24:51  <xorAxAx> Kepplar: hmm, stansted -> canterbury is 3 hours by train
2006-05-26T17:25:08  <xorAxAx> incl. waiting times
2006-05-26T17:25:46  <Kepplar> thats because stansted is way up north
2006-05-26T17:25:53  <Kepplar> stansted is near cambridge
2006-05-26T17:27:40  * xorAxAx looks at a map
2006-05-26T17:28:13  <xorAxAx> hmm, the connection is via london
2006-05-26T17:28:41  <Kepplar> yea
2006-05-26T20:09:37  <ThomasWaldmann> re
2006-05-26T20:18:04  <ThomasWaldmann> Fabi: i need your ssh pubkey
2006-05-26T20:19:16  <xorAxAx> Fabi: ping
2006-05-26T20:20:27  <ThomasWaldmann> raise "Fabi"
2006-05-26T20:20:43  <ThomasWaldmann> raise Fabi()
2006-05-26T20:20:43  * xorAxAx slaps ThomasWaldmann with a DeprecatedException
2006-05-26T20:25:44  <Fabi> moin
2006-05-26T20:26:02  <xorAxAx> hi mentor!
2006-05-26T20:27:19  <Fabi> xorAxAx, any plans yet?
2006-05-26T20:28:06  <xorAxAx> Fabi: no final time plans, but i have a few other adminstrative questions :)
2006-05-26T20:28:09  <xorAxAx> --> query
2006-05-26T20:28:20  <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: I create some moin/1.6-sync-aschremmer for you, ok?
2006-05-26T20:28:39  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: ok
2006-05-26T20:28:58  <xorAxAx> so you dont want to have out branches?
2006-05-26T20:29:30  <Fabi> ok, ask
2006-05-26T20:30:10  <xorAxAx> i said query :)
2006-05-26T20:32:27  <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: one after the other. your student testing repo is online, do some test (no prod code yet)
2006-05-26T20:32:48  <xorAxAx> did you push something into it?
2006-05-26T20:33:03  <ThomasWaldmann> cloned some random 1.6 repo
2006-05-26T20:33:33  <ThomasWaldmann> i will recreate all those student repos from a defined and tagged 1.6 revision soon
2006-05-26T20:34:31  <ThomasWaldmann> Fabi: moin/1.6-sync-ffesti ok for you?
2006-05-26T20:35:02  <Fabi> why do I need an own branch?
2006-05-26T20:35:36  <ThomasWaldmann> i thought we have a student and a mentor branch
2006-05-26T20:36:02  <ThomasWaldmann> maybe not strictly needed in as/ff case
2006-05-26T20:49:29  <xorAxAx> i.e. i should push from there to main on my own? :)
2006-05-26T20:51:12  <Fabi> ich think we should merge when it is finished
2006-05-26T20:51:25  <Fabi> especially if you need additional data
2006-05-26T20:52:07  <xorAxAx> yeah, if there are small modules that should go into main moin as well, i will merge them earlier
2006-05-26T20:52:15  <xorAxAx> e.g. feature additions in the xmlrpc stack
2006-05-26T20:53:54  <Fabi> yes, this makes sense
2006-05-26T20:54:13  <Fabi> the xmlrpc stack is not really usable
2006-05-26T20:54:33  <xorAxAx> it is :)
2006-05-26T20:54:48  <xorAxAx> moin has now multi-tier remotely triggered inbound mail processing :)
2006-05-26T20:55:14  <xorAxAx> it mainly lacks usable authentication
2006-05-26T20:55:29  <xorAxAx> a few bug fixes etc.
2006-05-26T20:55:59  <Fabi> page editing lacks locking
2006-05-26T20:56:12  <Fabi> which makes it unusable
2006-05-26T20:56:20  <xorAxAx> you mean putpage?
2006-05-26T20:56:25  <Fabi> nope
2006-05-26T20:56:34  <xorAxAx> which page editing?
2006-05-26T20:56:35  <Fabi> getpage -> putpage
2006-05-26T20:56:48  <xorAxAx> why does it make it unusable?
2006-05-26T20:56:51  <Fabi> there is no way to lock the page inbetween
2006-05-26T20:57:13  <Fabi> ever heard of "lost update"?
2006-05-26T20:57:30  <xorAxAx> it wont be lost if the other person hasnt saved yet :)
2006-05-26T20:57:40  <Fabi> but will if it has
2006-05-26T20:57:50  <xorAxAx> .oO(hmm, i should implement a transaction server to solve this)
2006-05-26T20:58:06  <xorAxAx> </just kidding>
2006-05-26T20:58:21  <Fabi> no, just allow getpage to set an edit lock
2006-05-26T20:58:38  <xorAxAx> doesnt directly help
2006-05-26T20:58:43  <xorAxAx> putpage wont mind
2006-05-26T20:58:49  <Fabi> or put page to give the formaer revision
2006-05-26T20:58:56  <Fabi> former
2006-05-26T20:59:06  <xorAxAx> putpage would need merging logic
2006-05-26T20:59:09  <Fabi> hmm, better both...
2006-05-26T20:59:31  <Fabi> yes, it should work like regular save page
2006-05-26T21:59:46  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: pushed