MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2007-04-16

2007-04-16T08:41:32  <ThomasWaldmann> moin
2007-04-16T10:06:53  <johill> moin
2007-04-16T10:07:05  <johill> ThomasWaldmann: rp == relying party, openid client
2007-04-16T10:07:27  <johill> ThomasWaldmann: sure, I can make a separate branch. for openid, I'll need to do a lot more refactoring in userform and stuff too
2007-04-16T10:21:45  <johill> ThomasWaldmann, xorAxAx: http://johannes.sipsolutions.net/patches/moin/auth-refactor.patch
2007-04-16T10:22:09  <johill> not complete yet though
2007-04-16T10:40:09  <johill> ThomasWaldmann: why are there so many check for a valid username all over the place?
2007-04-16T10:40:23  <johill> shouldn't it be sufficient to check when a user is created/changed?
2007-04-16T10:41:38  <ThomasWaldmann> maybe rather return some msg as 3rd item than misusing continue flag for that
2007-04-16T10:42:04  <johill> heh yeah
2007-04-16T10:42:22  <ThomasWaldmann> where is it checked else?
2007-04-16T10:42:32  <johill> oh in the login action
2007-04-16T10:42:38  <johill> in request somewhere too
2007-04-16T10:43:16  <johill> I'd like to have openid usernames as http://my.open.id/ and it's getting in the way in many places
2007-04-16T10:44:04  <ThomasWaldmann> +    arguemtn "auth_attribs" to User.__init__ containing a list of user
2007-04-16T10:44:37  <johill> the typo?
2007-04-16T10:47:26  <ThomasWaldmann> yes
2007-04-16T10:47:55  <johill> ok, added to my list of things I need to do for this: "require login() to return three values: user_obj, continue_flag, message"
2007-04-16T10:48:04  <johill> I'll do that later then
2007-04-16T10:48:30  <ThomasWaldmann> the valid user name check in request is maybe to detect already existing invalid usernames
2007-04-16T10:49:41  <ThomasWaldmann> btw, do you test all these auth methods?
2007-04-16T10:49:50  <johill> no, I haven't been able to test them all yet
2007-04-16T10:50:07  <johill> most of the conversion is pretty straight-forward though
2007-04-16T10:55:21  <johill> alright, battery dead and I need to go to class, later
2007-04-16T11:02:56  <ThomasWaldmann> cu :)
2007-04-16T11:10:18  <ThomasWaldmann> johill: that login_msg return value should be unicode, ever. and we should collect all msgs from the auth chain (in a list that we join when we reach the end).
2007-04-16T12:51:56  <johill> ThomasWaldmann: should we? I think I do prefer aborting when we get a message
2007-04-16T12:55:55  <johill> then again, I suppose most auths will return False then and we'll have the same effect as collecting
2007-04-16T13:04:47  <grzywacz> Hi.
2007-04-16T13:07:21  <johill> hey
2007-04-16T13:08:24  <johill> bah. userprefs is crufty
2007-04-16T13:08:53  <johill> code copied all over without a clue
2007-04-16T13:08:56  * johill refactors
2007-04-16T13:12:06  <ThomasWaldmann> johill: yeah, same as Page* X)
2007-04-16T13:13:37  <johill> it's junk
2007-04-16T13:13:47  <johill> all that newuser variable that is totally useless since the code paths are totally different anway
2007-04-16T13:14:04  <johill> I'm splitting it into a few methods like 'create_user' and 'change_user'
2007-04-16T13:15:22  <johill> are users actually allowed to change their username?
2007-04-16T13:15:36  <ThomasWaldmann> yes, that's a feature
2007-04-16T13:15:44  <johill> ok, interesting, need to prohibit that with openid
2007-04-16T13:16:17  <ThomasWaldmann> moin logs the userid, not the username
2007-04-16T13:16:20  <johill> right
2007-04-16T13:16:30  <johill> http://johannes.sipsolutions.net/patches/moin/refactor-userprefs.patch
2007-04-16T13:16:31  <ThomasWaldmann> so even if you change the name, everything is still happy and consistent
2007-04-16T13:16:55  <johill> true
2007-04-16T13:17:08  <johill> I just didn't think it was possible since -- 127.0.0.1 [[DateTime(2007-04-16T22:05:22Z)]] etc all use the current username
2007-04-16T13:19:29  <johill> any objections to that change? it *should* be fine, and I believe I tested most cases :)
2007-04-16T13:27:34  <johill> aehm
2007-04-16T13:27:40  <johill> FAIL: request: normalize pagename: restrict groups to alpha numeric Unicode
2007-04-16T13:37:49  <johill> ok, restricting the form works too :)
2007-04-16T13:39:51  <johill> ThomasWaldmann: btw, I noticed that the whole cookie handling was totally useless
2007-04-16T13:40:06  <johill> like storing all that stuff into the cookie and signing it and all that
2007-04-16T13:40:56  <dreimark>  johill:if acls are used a username change is very bad = noacess
2007-04-16T13:41:11  <johill> dreimark: true but removing it would be a regression
2007-04-16T13:41:30  <johill> whoo! my login form now only shows openid :)
2007-04-16T13:42:06  <johill> is it possible to disallow user creation?
2007-04-16T13:42:14  <johill> it seems that this should hook in with the whole auth thing
2007-04-16T13:42:56  <dreimark> johill:currently no but its a wanted feature
2007-04-16T13:43:05  <johill> ok
2007-04-16T13:43:26  <johill> I think maybe moving the user creation into auth methods would be good
2007-04-16T13:43:47  <johill> then if they don't have an auth.create hook just don't allow creating a user
2007-04-16T13:43:57  * johill is totally refactoring the auth system
2007-04-16T13:44:01  <johill> it looks a lot more like pam now ;)
2007-04-16T13:44:02  <dreimark> :)
2007-04-16T13:44:54  <johill> ThomasWaldmann: what's the 1.6 release plan?
2007-04-16T13:45:12  <johill> I think I'll have to hope nobody changes userform.py
2007-04-16T13:45:17  <johill> my refacotring basically rewrites it
2007-04-16T13:51:26  <johill> anybody know how the user homepage-link is generated?
2007-04-16T13:56:55  <johill> and why are user.auth_attribs not stored? hrm
2007-04-16T14:01:16  <johill> ugh. I need to refactor all that linking too
2007-04-16T14:01:52  * johill pokes in the cruftier parts of moin
2007-04-16T14:03:04  * johill creates a user/auth refactor branch
2007-04-16T14:03:17  <johill> ThomasWaldmann: how can I make a new branch show up on hg.thinkmo.de?
2007-04-16T14:10:02  <dreimark> johill:homepage-link  is done in the theme __init__.py, home_page = wikiutil.getInterwikiHomePage(request)
2007-04-16T14:10:26  <johill> ouch
2007-04-16T14:10:33  <johill> ok, I'll really have to refactor that
2007-04-16T14:10:53  <dreimark> that link could/is related to sisterpages
2007-04-16T14:10:53  <johill> hm
2007-04-16T14:10:59  <johill> can I postprocess configuration?
2007-04-16T14:11:04  <johill> after it's imported?
2007-04-16T14:15:21  <ThomasWaldmann> re
2007-04-16T14:15:30  <grzywacz> re
2007-04-16T14:16:10  <grzywacz> ThomasWaldmann, is it ok if I start working on a clone made now, or do I have to wait longer?
2007-04-16T14:17:47  <ThomasWaldmann> johill: sounds like a separate branch that gets much testing before merge :)
2007-04-16T14:18:49  <johill> yeah :)
2007-04-16T14:19:00  <ThomasWaldmann> johill: i can create a branch for you. moin/1.6-auth-refactor-jberg ?
2007-04-16T14:19:21  <dreimark> moin neagulm
2007-04-16T14:19:27  <johill> ThomasWaldmann: sure
2007-04-16T14:19:40  <ThomasWaldmann> ok, give me a moment...
2007-04-16T14:19:41  <xorAxAx> grzywacz: why would you have to wait? :)
2007-04-16T14:19:53  <xorAxAx> i think google doesnt care
2007-04-16T14:21:11  <grzywacz> xorAxAx, no idea, ThomasWaldmann told me to wait before the results were known. :)
2007-04-16T14:22:02  <neagulm> moin
2007-04-16T14:22:12  <xorAxAx> moin neagulm
2007-04-16T14:26:35  <ThomasWaldmann> grzywacz: i didnt get a definitive answer from google yet.
2007-04-16T14:26:58  <ThomasWaldmann> maybe we can try again later today
2007-04-16T14:27:58  <ThomasWaldmann> johill: what do you mean by "useless cookie handling"?
2007-04-16T14:28:15  <|Kev|> grzywacz: congrats on the placement - do you have a blog or the like I could track progress?
2007-04-16T14:29:42  <flowhase> moin
2007-04-16T14:29:43  <dreimark> neagulm: did you have peaked a bit into the code at the weekend ;)
2007-04-16T14:29:46  <flowhase> i#v
2007-04-16T14:29:50  <flowhase> i#
2007-04-16T14:29:53  <flowhase> arghl
2007-04-16T14:30:30  <flowhase> i've been reading code the past few days and i will update my wikipage this evening
2007-04-16T14:31:05  <flowhase> first ideas and impressions and the like
2007-04-16T14:32:02  <xorAxAx> |Kev|: are you affiliated with jabber? :)
2007-04-16T14:32:14  <flowhase> send_page really puzzled me a while ;>
2007-04-16T14:32:24  <|Kev|> xorAxAx: yes, http://www.xmpp.org/xsf/people/ksmith.shtml
2007-04-16T14:32:45  <johill> flowhase: I'm not surprised ;)
2007-04-16T14:32:50  <|Kev|> and I'm also a moinmoin user :)
2007-04-16T14:32:51  <xorAxAx> ah, psi ... the client that stalls if gpg is stalling ...
2007-04-16T14:33:02  <xorAxAx> :)
2007-04-16T14:33:11  <xorAxAx> my favorite jabber client currently :)
2007-04-16T14:33:15  <xorAxAx> i am his mentor btw
2007-04-16T14:33:35  <|Kev|> is that still true? I thought GPG was working now
2007-04-16T14:33:55  <|Kev|> also: hi
2007-04-16T14:34:10  <flowhase> johill: by send_page puzzling me? :>
2007-04-16T14:34:15  <xorAxAx> i will have another try soon i think
2007-04-16T14:34:18  <xorAxAx> hi |Kev|
2007-04-16T14:34:26  <xorAxAx> i guess you prefer MUCs over irc :)
2007-04-16T14:34:41  <xorAxAx> |Kev|: how many students/slots did XMPP get?
2007-04-16T14:34:45  <|Kev|> 6
2007-04-16T14:35:11  <|Kev|> we asked for fewer this year (last year we had 10) so we could do a better job of mentoring, and get a better success rate
2007-04-16T14:36:15  <|Kev|> and actually, I prefer irssi to any Jabber client for dealing with muc
2007-04-16T14:36:16  <xorAxAx> are those slots passed along to different client projects or solely used to facilitate protocol development?
2007-04-16T14:36:22  <xorAxAx> :-)
2007-04-16T14:36:55  <xorAxAx> yeah, irssi rocks ... esp. if they had merged the python support tree that resulted in last year's soc
2007-04-16T14:37:41  <flowhase> there is a python support module for irssi?
2007-04-16T14:37:43  <|Kev|> well, we chose the project based upon merit to Jabber/XMPP as a whole
2007-04-16T14:37:47  <|Kev|> *projects
2007-04-16T14:37:54  <flowhase> as in "scrap perl"?
2007-04-16T14:38:04  <xorAxAx> flowhase: its on a different branch, it wasnt merged
2007-04-16T14:38:08  <|Kev|> and then they're mentored by the people most relevant
2007-04-16T14:38:10  <xorAxAx> i am unsure about its state
2007-04-16T14:38:20  <|Kev|> so Gajim's Jingle support is mentored by a Gajim dev, etc
2007-04-16T14:38:32  <xorAxAx> makes sense
2007-04-16T14:39:14  <|Kev|> how 'up' are you both on Jabber? (sorry if it seems rude to ask)
2007-04-16T14:39:43  <|Kev|> I ask because I'm aware of a new library (in Python), which shows quite some promise of doing things that might be useful for the project
2007-04-16T14:39:45  <xorAxAx> hmm, i am just on the user level, he seems to be very deep into it, though
2007-04-16T14:40:10  <|Kev|> the author's expecting to get data forms support in the next week or so
2007-04-16T14:40:10  <xorAxAx> |Kev|: thats a nice hint, he was searching for jabber libs and found 4, 3 of them being bad
2007-04-16T14:40:36  <|Kev|> (data forms being the way of providing forms (like web forms) to the user and getting the responses)
2007-04-16T14:40:51  <|Kev|> I thought data forms could be rather useful to a project for management of a remote system
2007-04-16T14:41:01  <xorAxAx> there is a list at http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/JabberSupport
2007-04-16T14:41:17  <xorAxAx> |Kev|: which client is supporting them? :)
2007-04-16T14:41:24  <|Kev|> Psi, certainly
2007-04-16T14:41:26  <flowhase> hmm. data forms :>
2007-04-16T14:41:32  <xorAxAx> |Kev|: can you add the URL of the jabber lib you have in mind at the end of that wiki page?
2007-04-16T14:41:35  <|Kev|> Tkabber, too, I believe
2007-04-16T14:41:46  <flowhase> that was the other soc project i tried to applicate for
2007-04-16T14:42:36  <johill> flowhase: send_page puzzling anyone really
2007-04-16T14:44:35  <|Kev|> xorAxAx: I'll try and remember to add the lib url when I know it
2007-04-16T14:44:46  <|Kev|> the author's server died the other weekend, and I don't know if it's back up yet
2007-04-16T14:45:43  <johill> bah
2007-04-16T14:45:45  <johill> cfg.show_login is a hack
2007-04-16T14:45:55  <neagulm> <dreimark> yes! I had a short weekend trip to another town but i had MoinMoin with me! :) I also thought about  George Montanaro suggestion of using CRM114 for the text classification
2007-04-16T14:48:52  <johill> ok, removed too
2007-04-16T14:49:45  <johill> anybody running php sessions?
2007-04-16T14:49:48  <johill> or ldap?
2007-04-16T14:50:01  <|Kev|> xorAxAx: it's sleekxmpp anyway
2007-04-16T14:52:40  <dreimark> neagulm:fine, I have asked Skip to join us here he has -6 hours from UT
2007-04-16T14:53:12  <dreimark> so its now early in the morning for him
2007-04-16T14:54:03  <xorAxAx> yes, 7 am
2007-04-16T14:54:48  <dreimark> neagulm: did you have looked at Page and PageEditor too?
2007-04-16T14:55:06  <|Kev|> xorAxAx: as the mail has probably just told you, I've updated the page with a link
2007-04-16T14:55:44  <xorAxAx> cool
2007-04-16T14:56:43  <|Kev|> oh, hrmm, the code isn't actually located on code.google, silly me
2007-04-16T14:57:38  <|Kev|> anyway, I've just sent you an add request on Jabber, and I'll try and idle here a bit, so I'd be keen to keep in touch :)
2007-04-16T14:57:57  <xorAxAx> cool
2007-04-16T14:58:05  <xorAxAx> i might answer it tonight
2007-04-16T14:58:07  <neagulm> <dreimark> Yes, they were one of the first things to look at but I am not quite sure where to store the generated meta data, when to do the classification (realtime - at rendering time, as a scheduled task) or the training (realtime or scheduled training).
2007-04-16T14:58:09  <xorAxAx> currently i am work
2007-04-16T14:58:18  <johill> well, the basic refactoring seems to work...
2007-04-16T14:58:22  <|Kev|> xorAxAx: same ;)
2007-04-16T14:58:45  <neagulm> brb
2007-04-16T15:09:25  <neagulm> <dreimark> is it ok that i get back at 20:00 UTC? So i could meet Skip !
2007-04-16T15:10:27  <dreimark> neagulm: he wil be back at office at tomorrow so we could make plans to meet him in the evening tommorrow
2007-04-16T15:11:14  <neagulm> At what time?
2007-04-16T15:12:34  <dreimark> he wrote me any time ;) you are +2 from UTC right?
2007-04-16T15:13:14  <johill> ThomasWaldmann: all my patches will now be on http://johannes.sipsolutions.net/patches/moin/all/, let me know when you created a branch
2007-04-16T15:13:22  <johill> I'm off until tomorrow I think
2007-04-16T15:15:52  <neagulm> because of DST it is +3. In romania now it's 16:15
2007-04-16T15:16:30  <dreimark>  neagulm:ok we have here 15:15
2007-04-16T15:16:59  <dreimark> london has 14:16
2007-04-16T15:23:36  <dreimark> Current time zone offset:  UTC/GMT +1 hour for london
2007-04-16T15:24:21  <xorAxAx> dreimark: but who cares about london?
2007-04-16T15:33:52  <dreimark> none, I used it for wrongly for time comparison
2007-04-16T15:33:58  <neagulm> <dreimark> tomorrow at 19:00 UTC (22:00 EET, 21:00 CET) would be ok for you? If not please propose an hour. :)
2007-04-16T15:34:44  <dreimark> neagulm:sounds good, I do have some time for the barbecue ...
2007-04-16T15:35:28  <neagulm> <dreimark> i don't understand:  "I do have some time for the barbecue"
2007-04-16T15:37:04  <dreimark>   neagulm: I was invited for a barbecue (steaks) at 18:00 CET
2007-04-16T15:39:21  <dreimark> babecue: put some meat over fired charcoal briquets
2007-04-16T15:39:28  <neagulm> <dreimark> Aha. Know I understand. I think that i worked to much last night...
2007-04-16T15:39:32  <neagulm> :)
2007-04-16T15:44:02  <dreimark> bbl
2007-04-16T15:45:20  <neagulm> I have to leave now, i will be back later. The meeting with Skip is set for Tomorrow at 21:00 CET...
2007-04-16T17:46:20  <ThomasWaldmann> flowhase: btw, sendpage got already shorter (I moved the processing instructions stuff into a separate function)
2007-04-16T20:50:06  <grzywacz> ThomasWaldmann, ok, I still have to get a better understanding of code before I proceed, so I can wait for the answer
2007-04-16T20:50:28  <grzywacz> |Kev|, uhm, I do have a blog, but I didn't plan to report on my progress in places other than my page at moin wiki
2007-04-16T20:50:32  <grzywacz> re, btw.
2007-04-16T20:53:01  <grzywacz> |Kev|, oh, you're the one who suggested SleekXMPP, let me take a look :)
2007-04-16T20:55:58  <ThomasWaldmann> grzywacz: ?
2007-04-16T20:56:17  <grzywacz> ThomasWaldmann, regarding the question if we can start coding
2007-04-16T20:56:35  <ThomasWaldmann> ah
2007-04-16T20:56:51  <ThomasWaldmann> lets look for google folks on #summer-discuss
2007-04-16T21:07:42  <ThomasWaldmann> ok, seems like the google folks need to recover from the busy days :)
2007-04-16T21:08:08  <xorAxAx> grzywacz: yes, he is the one :)
2007-04-16T21:09:04  <xorAxAx> hmm, how can i send contacts with psi to somebody else, grzywacz?
2007-04-16T21:09:15  <ThomasWaldmann> i am asking myself whether i better do some branch for johill and other bigger hacks or just fork off some 1.6-stable branch
2007-04-16T21:13:11  <grzywacz> xorAxAx, copy&paste the JID?
2007-04-16T21:13:43  <grzywacz> ThomasWaldmann, make him publish his tree and pull stuff in selectively into mainline? :)
2007-04-16T21:13:54  <xorAxAx> grzywacz: ugh :)
2007-04-16T21:14:00  <xorAxAx> grzywacz: how old skool :)
2007-04-16T21:14:13  <grzywacz> xorAxAx, tell this to |Kev|. :P
2007-04-16T21:14:19  <xorAxAx> :-)
2007-04-16T21:15:51  <ThomasWaldmann> grzywacz: the problem is how to do that selection. you dont know in advance how stable it is or how much will break.
2007-04-16T21:16:37  <grzywacz> ThomasWaldmann, well... use your knowledge? ;)
2007-04-16T21:17:05  * ThomasWaldmann searches his crystal ball
2007-04-16T21:17:12  <grzywacz> :-)
2007-04-16T21:17:25  <|Kev|> xorAxAx: at one point we had the ability to send contacts in a patch, I don't know why it never made it to mainline
2007-04-16T21:17:54  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: thats what unittests are for :)
2007-04-16T21:18:02  <grzywacz> (or should be for ;>)
2007-04-16T21:18:08  <xorAxAx> grzywacz: are you into writing unittests? i am planning to introduce py.test :)
2007-04-16T21:18:14  <xorAxAx> |Kev|: ah
2007-04-16T21:18:20  <grzywacz> xorAxAx, I've done some in the path, so yes, why not.
2007-04-16T21:18:26  <grzywacz> *past
2007-04-16T21:18:32  <grzywacz> What am I thinking...
2007-04-16T21:19:33  <xorAxAx> ubuntu/launchpad have a patch queue manager that only authorizes changesets that pass all unittests :)
2007-04-16T21:19:39  <xorAxAx> (they are using bzr)
2007-04-16T21:19:57  <|Kev|> grzywacz: I partly recommended it because I know the developer (in an online sense), and I'm confident it'll be a good library
2007-04-16T21:21:02  <grzywacz> |Kev|, ok. I've used pyxmpp in the past, but its docs have been very poor.
2007-04-16T21:25:05  <|Kev|> he's going to be writing a muc bot with the library quite soon (he started at the weekend), and I'm going to get involved with development of the bot
2007-04-16T21:25:40  <grzywacz> |Kev|, do you happen to know how good are jabber components in Twisted Words?
2007-04-16T21:26:00  <|Kev|> and I'm a bastard for being rude about bad code (apart from mine) so either it'll be really good, or I'll be dead in a few weeks :)
2007-04-16T21:26:05  <|Kev|> I've not dealt with Twisted
2007-04-16T21:26:09  <|Kev|> I've heard mixed things about it
2007-04-16T21:26:42  <xorAxAx> well, twisted ist twisted
2007-04-16T21:26:46  <xorAxAx> same mindset for 20 years
2007-04-16T21:26:49  <xorAxAx> :-)
2007-04-16T21:27:07  <xorAxAx> but besides some quirks, its a solid reactor-driven internet suite
2007-04-16T21:27:43  <xorAxAx> with more problems with deployment/packaging than unit tests (they have strict twisted policies)
2007-04-16T21:27:45  <grzywacz> Twisted itself probably is what you say, but I'd rather not implement xmpp support from scratch. :P
2007-04-16T21:27:57  <|Kev|> twisted has xmpp support
2007-04-16T21:28:03  <|Kev|> I know that once upon a time it was dire
2007-04-16T21:28:08  <|Kev|> but I suspect that's not true anymore
2007-04-16T21:28:11  <xorAxAx> yes, twisted words its called, as he said
2007-04-16T21:28:22  <xorAxAx> indeed, it has to be checked how good it is
2007-04-16T21:28:23  <grzywacz> I've tried to post on their ML, but my mail has been lost, it seems. ;S
2007-04-16T21:28:36  <xorAxAx> grzywacz: you didnt pass the unittests :)
2007-04-16T21:28:50  <grzywacz> xorAxAx, hm? :)
2007-04-16T21:28:56  <grzywacz> Ah.
2007-04-16T21:28:57  <grzywacz> :P
2007-04-16T21:29:14  * grzywacz goes too cook something to save himself from starvation
2007-04-16T21:34:04  <grzywacz> Blog you say... I should make a new layout for the current one. :\
2007-04-16T21:35:08  <ThomasWaldmann> http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/uml2ascii i did some basic work and fixes. if someone wants to use it and fix it more, feel free. :)
2007-04-16T21:37:33  <ThomasWaldmann> (21:28) <@       lh> thomaswaldmann: it's fine, as long as they are only judged on code produced from may 28 to close of program
2007-04-16T21:37:58  <grzywacz> Hm. That's a strange requirement.
2007-04-16T21:37:58  <ThomasWaldmann> so everybody feel free to hack as much code as you like :)
2007-04-16T21:38:02  <grzywacz> ;]
2007-04-16T21:38:28  * xorAxAx covers his eyes until 28th :)
2007-04-16T21:39:14  <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: don't hit some {wall,bus,...}
2007-04-16T21:42:18  <|Kev|> grzywacz: if you wish a contact for me btw, kismith psi-im.org is good for most of the day :)
2007-04-16T21:42:37  <|Kev|> I'm quite interested in how it goes (as a jabberite and moinmoin user)
2007-04-16T21:48:04  <grzywacz> |Kev|, ah ok. :)
2007-04-16T22:27:38  * ThomasWaldmann looks at http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/MoinMoinBugs/ImgMissesAltAttribute
2007-04-16T22:32:24  * grzywacz pets CIA-28
2007-04-16T22:49:03  <CIA-28> moin: Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> * 1995:1c8edc5706b7 /MoinMoin/formatter/text_html.py: set alt attribute of attachment images (required by html4)
2007-04-16T22:49:05  <CIA-28> moin: Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> * 1996:6c4f6efbb36e / (17 files in 5 dirs): merge main
2007-04-16T23:46:57  <dreimark> eclipse will get a new search plugin
2007-04-16T23:57:55  <flowhase> hmm
2007-04-16T23:58:23  <flowhase> it's kind of a bad idea creating ssh-keys with passwords in a hurry
2007-04-16T23:58:33  <xorAxAx> why create them at all :)
2007-04-16T23:58:38  <flowhase> now i don't remember the passphrase i put on it
2007-04-16T23:58:39  <xorAxAx> mine is a few years old
2007-04-16T23:59:18  <flowhase> xorAxAx: my apple notebook got whacked some months ago and currently i only have an apple dmg file as a backup
2007-04-16T23:59:40  <xorAxAx> and it doesnt contain your old key?
2007-04-16T23:59:41  <flowhase> my ssh keys are on it, should look out for tools to get them ;>
2007-04-16T23:59:54  <xorAxAx> there should be a fuse driver
2007-04-16T23:59:56  <xorAxAx> just mount it