MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2007-05-12

2007-05-12T00:04:40  <xorAxAx> grzywacz: why is "pageDeleted" sent?
2007-05-12T00:04:49  <xorAxAx> its not xmlrpc in that direction, right?
2007-05-12T00:05:11  <grzywacz> what?
2007-05-12T00:05:20  <xorAxAx> i mean, why is it camel case?
2007-05-12T00:05:47  <grzywacz> I'm afraid I don't understand...
2007-05-12T00:06:00  <xorAxAx> -  * '''page_modified''' - sent when a page has been changed
2007-05-12T00:06:00  <xorAxAx> +  * '''pageModified''' - sent when a page has been changed
2007-05-12T00:06:03  <xorAxAx> explain this change
2007-05-12T00:06:55  <grzywacz> xmlrpc2wiki has this java-like convention. Sure, wiki->jabber has nothing to do with it, but I'd like to see it unified in both directions
2007-05-12T00:07:31  <xorAxAx> i think it would make sense it if was case-agnostic
2007-05-12T00:08:27  <grzywacz> Why?
2007-05-12T00:11:12  <johill> uh, somebody should make hg use less space
2007-05-12T00:12:33  <xorAxAx> johill: its the most space efficient DVCS if you dont consider repack cycles
2007-05-12T00:12:54  <xorAxAx> grzywacz: because thats a sane idea for ascii wire protocols
2007-05-12T00:13:43  <xorAxAx> btw, cant you use xmlrpc in the other direction as well? :)
2007-05-12T00:14:28  <xorAxAx> "To begin with, communication in both directions will be done with xmlrpc. "
2007-05-12T00:14:30  <xorAxAx> hmm, ok :)
2007-05-12T00:14:38  <xorAxAx> then it makes sense to have it like "pageModified"
2007-05-12T00:14:42  <johill> I do consider repacking ;)
2007-05-12T00:15:01  <xorAxAx> johill: whats the exact issue?
2007-05-12T00:15:17  <xorAxAx> thomas still using compressed tar balls instead of uncompressed tars? :)
2007-05-12T00:15:26  <johill> dunno, moin doesn't seem that large and .hg is half the source dir
2007-05-12T00:15:33  <xorAxAx> (that would lower the repo size significantly)
2007-05-12T00:15:35  <johill> and the history hasn't been in there *that* long
2007-05-12T00:15:47  <xorAxAx> well, its the large amount of tgz files
2007-05-12T00:15:57  <xorAxAx> see du .hg
2007-05-12T00:16:44  <xorAxAx> -rw-r--r-- 1 alexander alexander 27761779 2007-05-01 00:29 underlay.tar.bz2.d
2007-05-12T00:16:53  <xorAxAx> 27 MB instead of probably 3
2007-05-12T00:17:13  <johill> huh ok
2007-05-12T00:17:28  <xorAxAx> i must admit that i initally changed it to tar.bz2 from single files, but somebody should have changed to tar-only when we migrated
2007-05-12T00:17:31  <xorAxAx> to hg
2007-05-12T00:18:47  <johill> why have it as a tar anyway?
2007-05-12T00:19:40  <xorAxAx> because it should not clutter the hg history with its large directory names
2007-05-12T00:19:49  <johill> hm?
2007-05-12T00:19:50  <xorAxAx> which hurt e.g. on windows
2007-05-12T00:20:00  <xorAxAx> oh well, remember why tla sucked on windows
2007-05-12T00:20:01  <xorAxAx> :-)
2007-05-12T00:20:04  <johill> argh. can't windows get a proper filesystem?
2007-05-12T00:20:13  <xorAxAx> and because its much faster
2007-05-12T00:20:18  <xorAxAx> (with tla)
2007-05-12T00:20:29  <xorAxAx> and because they are secondary data (kinda redundant) anyway
2007-05-12T00:20:34  <johill> ah well
2007-05-12T00:20:50  <johill> I just cleaned up a sane backend and made it work on my scanner
2007-05-12T00:20:59  <johill> sane is limited by its tools too
2007-05-12T00:21:13  <johill> they still make stuff compile with ancient C compilers for whatever reason
2007-05-12T01:23:16  <grzywacz> night...
2007-05-12T08:24:41  <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/FeatureRequests/ReverseDNSExcludeList maybe some 1.5.8 mmde would be nice to have for the time until 1.6 mmde
2007-05-12T10:26:22  <dreimark> moin
2007-05-12T10:49:57  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: FeatureRequest/AddAttachACLEntry sounds interstingly and fixes some kind of security issue
2007-05-12T11:17:32  <dreimark> bbl
2007-05-12T17:14:52  * ThomasWaldmann makes 1.5.8 now, any last wishes?
2007-05-12T20:31:01  <starshine> :D
2007-05-12T20:32:27  <starshine> ThomasWaldmann: people will ask if the installer got more helpful :)
2007-05-12T20:35:37  <xorAxAx> "installer"?
2007-05-12T20:42:45  <starshine> xorAxAx: yeah yeah I know :D
2007-05-12T20:43:03  <xorAxAx> you mean the non-existant one? :)
2007-05-12T20:43:24  <starshine> thats the part where I'm the installer and the consultant fee is light :)
2007-05-12T20:44:10  <xorAxAx> so, did you get more helpful? :)
2007-05-12T20:45:41  <starshine> probably :)
2007-05-12T20:45:54  <starshine> <3 moin
2007-05-12T21:00:46  <ThomasWaldmann> starshine: there are no major changes in 1.5
2007-05-12T21:02:36  <starshine> ThomasWaldmann: cool. people will be happy
2007-05-12T21:02:48  <ThomasWaldmann> the only new features are some protocols (like ircs:), cfg.log_timing and cfg.traceback_show / traceback_log_dir
2007-05-12T21:03:56  <ThomasWaldmann> (see http://hg.thinkmo.de/moin/1.5 )
2007-05-12T21:04:08  <starshine> ok :D
2007-05-12T21:05:47  <ThomasWaldmann> log_timing will hopefully some of the bigger moin sites help to improve performance and traceback_show will make some people sleep better :D
2007-05-12T23:43:43  <johill> uh, so why did nir delete the whole content while marking a page deprecated? wasn't the point of deprecated that you'd keep the content? might as well just delete the page though
2007-05-12T23:45:32  <xorAxAx> johill: you have to delete all content if you mark a page as deprecated
2007-05-12T23:46:22  <johill> oh
2007-05-12T23:46:27  <johill> never tried
2007-05-12T23:46:29  <johill> what's the point then?
2007-05-12T23:46:56  <johill> hm, history?
2007-05-12T23:47:15  <xorAxAx> it doesnt version the deprecation warning
2007-05-12T23:47:21  <xorAxAx> but only the real page contents
2007-05-12T23:48:06  <johill> hm
2007-05-12T23:48:07  <johill> ok
2007-05-12T23:51:32  <johill> hm
2007-05-12T23:51:39  <johill> html for editor is not valid
2007-05-12T23:52:07  <johill> start tag for "LEGEND" omitted, but its declaration does not permit this
2007-05-12T23:52:20  <johill> required attribute "COLS" not specified
2007-05-12T23:52:40  <johill> document type does not allow element "P" here; missing one of "OBJECT", "MAP", "BUTTON" start-tag
2007-05-12T23:53:03  <johill> ...
2007-05-12T23:54:12  <johill> <em><strong>bold italics</em></strong>
2007-05-12T23:54:24  <johill> end tag for STRONG omitted, ...
2007-05-12T23:54:27  <johill> heh
2007-05-12T23:54:45  <johill> end tag for element STRONG which is not open follows suit :)
2007-05-12T23:55:09  <johill> interesting problem though
2007-05-12T23:55:37  <johill> that's because ''''' parses off '' first I guess?
2007-05-12T23:58:04  <johill> no, it's not