MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2007-05-23

2007-05-23T00:10:22  <grzywacz> good night
2007-05-23T10:05:31  <ThomasWaldmann> moin
2007-05-23T10:05:43  <dreimark> moin
2007-05-23T11:06:44  <grzywacz> moin
2007-05-23T11:19:32  <zenhase> moin
2007-05-23T16:21:16  <zenhase> awesome
2007-05-23T16:22:21  <zenhase> the insurance company of the guy who damaged my laptop decided that the damage could not come from the incident and therefore does not want to pay
2007-05-23T16:34:40  <dreimark> zenhase: ?
2007-05-23T16:35:38  <johill> if you're insured against "Forderungsausfall" go to your own insurance, they'll sue them ;)
2007-05-23T16:35:45  <zenhase> dreimark: some guy leaned onto it while it lay, lid closed, on a table .. pressure, a cracking sound -> display totally wasted
2007-05-23T16:35:54  <zenhase> johill: i am not
2007-05-23T16:36:12  <johill> then you want to go see a lawyer I guess
2007-05-23T16:37:49  <zenhase> i guess so :/
2007-05-23T16:38:27  <zenhase> i will ask the one who works in the building where the entropia club room is located
2007-05-23T16:38:54  <zenhase> we take care of his computers once in a while, i think he will have some free advice for me
2007-05-23T16:39:24  <zenhase> and if it needs court action ... well, i want a notebook till august! :/
2007-05-23T16:40:04  <johill> :)
2007-05-23T16:40:36  <johill> it's unlikely to go to court, too expensive
2007-05-23T16:42:01  <zenhase> well, i don't know much about how such legal stuff works :>
2007-05-23T16:42:31  <zenhase> i am a geek ... the real world of capitalism is kinda ... alien to me
2007-05-23T16:44:17  <johill> there are some concepts but once you grasp those it's not too hard
2007-05-23T16:44:31  <johill> get a textbook on legal theory in Germany ;)
2007-05-23T16:44:53  <johill> (thing is, my g/f did a lot of Privatrecht etc. so I ended up learning quite a bit too)
2007-05-23T16:45:48  <ThomasWaldmann> zenhase: how old was the laptop?
2007-05-23T16:45:57  <zenhase> ThomasWaldmann: 22 months
2007-05-23T16:45:59  <johill> or get a BGB as book and read the intro text in the front
2007-05-23T16:46:19  <johill> the BGB is the one for your case anyway
2007-05-23T16:47:24  <zenhase> what i really hate about that all, is that insurance companys do not trust anyone, not even their customers
2007-05-23T16:47:54  <zenhase> the guy who damaged the laptop reported everything in detail
2007-05-23T16:48:09  <johill> oh, that's an obvious strategy though, otherwise you get far too much fraud
2007-05-23T16:48:30  <ThomasWaldmann> zenhase: do you have something written from the guy who did it (and maybe from other people seeing the damage happening or seeing your work short before and the damage afterwards?)
2007-05-23T16:48:52  <johill> actually, yeah, you have to sue the guy
2007-05-23T16:48:58  <johill> and not his insurance company
2007-05-23T16:49:08  <johill> and then he can in turn sue his insurance company
2007-05-23T16:49:12  <johill> (but that doesn't bother you)
2007-05-23T16:49:27  <johill> you could start by simply demanding he pay the damage
2007-05-23T16:49:32  <zenhase> ThomasWaldmann: the guy lives 2 doors next to me in my student dorm ... and there where people present when the accident happend
2007-05-23T16:49:57  <ThomasWaldmann> get something written and signed
2007-05-23T16:50:16  <zenhase> hmm
2007-05-23T16:50:29  <zenhase> well, i will give it a try
2007-05-23T16:50:38  <johill> so what you probably should do as well is get somebody to assess the damage and how much it costs to repair
2007-05-23T16:51:12  <zenhase> already did that
2007-05-23T16:51:19  <zenhase> the insurance company asked me to
2007-05-23T16:51:21  <ThomasWaldmann> (if display is broken, repair is likely not economical)
2007-05-23T16:51:36  <zenhase> i gave it to a gravis apple store and even had to pay for it
2007-05-23T16:51:55  <zenhase> (well, i would get the money back if i decided to do the repair)
2007-05-23T16:54:13  <johill> did they already give you the money for the assessment?
2007-05-23T16:54:20  <johill> ah ok
2007-05-23T16:54:24  <johill> sorry n/m
2007-05-23T16:55:22  <johill> so yeah, you could either have it repaired and then demand money back, or demand repair + assessment cost
2007-05-23T16:55:27  <zenhase> till now the whole thing did cost me 70euros and i did not gain anything
2007-05-23T16:55:43  <johill> ThomasWaldmann: they can exchange displays, not too bad compared to the whole notebook
2007-05-23T16:56:42  <johill> let me quickly ask my g/f
2007-05-23T16:56:57  <zenhase> johill: the repair-cost for exchanging display at gravis is about 850eu
2007-05-23T16:57:08  <zenhase> for a 22month 12" ibook
2007-05-23T16:58:05  <zenhase> the insurance company can pay me the estimated remaining value for my notebook
2007-05-23T16:58:47  <zenhase> which would amount to about 550eu (the common 3% value loss per month, since date of purchase)
2007-05-23T16:59:17  <johill> ah so that they would do?
2007-05-23T16:59:36  <johill> you can get that and exchange the display yourself if you dare...
2007-05-23T17:00:20  <zenhase> no, i would keep the money and a broken ibook and invest in a new macbook
2007-05-23T17:01:04  <johill> so they actually would give you ~550?
2007-05-23T17:01:14  <zenhase> nope ... that's just what i expected
2007-05-23T17:01:47  <zenhase> i was told that insurance companys, if they decide to pay, pay min(estimated remaining value, cost of repair)
2007-05-23T17:01:56  <johill> ah ok
2007-05-23T17:02:04  <zenhase> which does make sense
2007-05-23T17:03:26  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: did you changed something on that i18n installation trouble?
2007-05-23T17:06:06  <johill> zenhase: § 249 BGB
2007-05-23T17:06:52  <johill> and following
2007-05-23T17:11:01  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: no
2007-05-23T17:12:28  <ThomasWaldmann> zenhase: so repairing is much too much $$$
2007-05-23T17:12:49  <zenhase> ThomasWaldmann: yep
2007-05-23T17:13:05  <zenhase> ThomasWaldmann: 850eu repair + 150eu additional = brand new macbook
2007-05-23T17:13:17  <zenhase> would not make sense
2007-05-23T17:13:29  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: because python 2.5 on Suse seems not to show up this trouble
2007-05-23T17:13:33  <johill> keep in mind that the repair includes 19% TAX
2007-05-23T17:13:35  <johill> tax
2007-05-23T17:13:51  <johill> even if they decided to pay for the repair they would give you the amount w/o ta
2007-05-23T17:13:53  <zenhase> even if i get a cheap display and do it myself (which i won't because old ibooks are painful to disassemble/reassemble)
2007-05-23T17:13:54  <johill> tax
2007-05-23T17:14:06  <zenhase> johill: why should they?
2007-05-23T17:14:07  <johill> i.e. around 715
2007-05-23T17:14:14  <johill> because that's how it works
2007-05-23T17:14:27  <johill> the tax is only reimbursed if it was actually paid
2007-05-23T17:14:45  <zenhase> well, i would have to pay it, wouldn't i?
2007-05-23T17:14:49  <johill> if you take out money you get it w/o tax, same with your calculated 550
2007-05-23T17:14:59  <johill> yes, but you aren't paying it for the repair, so it doesn't count
2007-05-23T17:15:09  <zenhase> ah ok
2007-05-23T17:15:23  <zenhase> if i would pay the repair i would later on get the taxes
2007-05-23T17:15:29  <johill> see 249 GBG
2007-05-23T17:15:33  <johill> BGB
2007-05-23T17:15:37  <johill> damn my typing sucks today
2007-05-23T17:15:49  <johill> not even then, I think
2007-05-23T17:15:58  <johill> but I'm not sure about that
2007-05-23T17:16:08  <starshine> zenhase: ouch, sorry to hear all that.
2007-05-23T17:16:10  <johill> 249(2) to be precise
2007-05-23T17:16:13  <zenhase> oh screw this whole capitalistic bullshit world :/
2007-05-23T17:16:13  <johill> http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/bgb/__249.html
2007-05-23T17:16:33  <zenhase> johill: yeah, found it already
2007-05-23T17:17:17  <johill> BGB is really mostly common sense ;)
2007-05-23T17:18:42  <zenhase> johill: well i read that 2nd part as "i will get the taxes back, because in the end they have to be paid by me"
2007-05-23T17:18:51  <zenhase> (if i repair)
2007-05-23T17:20:12  <johill> yes if you repair and then sue them for the repair cost according to 249, but you should read 250 too, and I'm not sure about "Verhältnismäßigkeit" which is why they can usually get away with paying the amount it's worth now after depreciation
2007-05-23T17:20:52  <zenhase> hmm
2007-05-23T17:21:09  <zenhase> i should stop thinking about all this for the rest of the day
2007-05-23T17:21:31  <zenhase> it's too depressing ... will see tomorrow when the guy who handles my case is in again
2007-05-23T17:21:47  * starshine DCCs zenhase a box of oreos and several moin cookies.
2007-05-23T17:21:59  <zenhase> i demand the expertise
2007-05-23T17:22:09  <zenhase> starshine: i sweet ... thank you :>
2007-05-23T17:22:14  <zenhase> s/i/oh
2007-05-23T17:22:21  <starshine> it would be fun to do up oreos with moin logo on them. I'll have to consider it for a silliness logo
2007-05-23T17:22:51  <johill> ohh, does cafepress do that? ;)
2007-05-23T17:24:03  <zenhase> how about a custom plotter for cookies thats loaded with edible paint?
2007-05-23T17:24:21  <starshine> those already exist, for cakes.
2007-05-23T17:24:35  <starshine> but they just print out a photo onto it
2007-05-23T17:24:36  * zenhase remembers a guy from art school that wanted us (entropia) to help him build a plotter that can paint pictures with blood
2007-05-23T17:24:42  <starshine> !
2007-05-23T17:24:55  <starshine> he liked the iron content or something?
2007-05-23T17:25:15  <zenhase> well dunno really, but i suppose
2007-05-23T17:25:37  <zenhase> and he assured that he wanted to use only his own blood
2007-05-23T17:25:38  <starshine> anyways no just oreos with the moin dots :)
2007-05-23T17:26:43  * johill runs, later!
2007-05-23T17:26:52  <starshine> byee
2007-05-23T17:41:49  <CIA-27> moin: Reimar Bauer <rb.proj AT googlemail DOT com> * 2071:54d48516c604 1.6/wiki/config/wikiconfig.py: wikiconfig: /wiki replaced by /moin_static160
2007-05-23T17:43:15  <ThomasWaldmann> gtg, bbl
2007-05-23T18:25:31  <dreimark> does one have got compiled 1.0 of xapian-bindings for python already?
2007-05-23T18:40:27  <dreimark> a missing a ldcong
2007-05-23T18:40:42  <dreimark> ldconfig missed
2007-05-23T19:12:05  <dreimark> arrgh two search bugs with xapian
2007-05-23T19:17:08  <dreimark> the gui logic is quite not finished, bug three
2007-05-23T19:28:31  <dreimark> bbl
2007-05-23T21:08:15  <dreimark> bb
2007-05-23T21:09:13  <dreimark> hi neagulm
2007-05-23T21:09:19  <neagulm> hi dreimark
2007-05-23T21:11:37  <dreimark> neagulm: I talked with ThomasWaldmann on what we like you to  spend time after! the spambayes add on is in a good working state and documented
2007-05-23T21:12:58  <dreimark> We do think openid should be finished next before the n-categorisation
2007-05-23T21:13:48  <neagulm> dreimark, aha. ok. It is fine with me...
2007-05-23T21:14:28  <dreimark> do you have worked on PoC 1.999 ?
2007-05-23T21:16:16  <neagulm> unfortunately I had to work with the company that starts with the M word, in the past week. Our University has hosted the national finals for their contest: Imagine cup
2007-05-23T21:16:18  <neagulm> :(
2007-05-23T21:16:46  <neagulm> this is the first day without M$.
2007-05-23T21:17:22  <neagulm> the last week the only thing that I did is to hear only stupid M$  marketing....
2007-05-23T21:18:44  <grzywacz> moin
2007-05-23T21:20:11  <neagulm> moinBot, grzywacz
2007-05-23T21:20:11  <moinBot> neagulm: Error: "grzywacz" is not a valid command.
2007-05-23T21:20:23  <neagulm> moin grzywacz
2007-05-23T21:20:40  <xorAxAx> hi grzywacz
2007-05-23T21:20:53  <dreimark> arrgh, sometimes I cant believe that I have to support to use theire products at my company
2007-05-23T21:21:02  <dreimark> where I work
2007-05-23T21:21:09  <grzywacz> neagulm, I can see you trying to complete your thoughts with tab :P
2007-05-23T21:21:29  <grzywacz> xorAxAx, hello hmre ;)
2007-05-23T21:21:38  <xorAxAx> hehe
2007-05-23T21:21:43  * xorAxAx won an ipod today
2007-05-23T21:21:48  <dreimark> moin xorAxAx, do you work on patches for xapian
2007-05-23T21:21:53  <xorAxAx> after answering a php security questionaire
2007-05-23T21:22:06  <dreimark> xorAxAx: hehe, congtat
2007-05-23T21:22:12  <dreimark> congrat
2007-05-23T21:22:13  * grzywacz maybe will win an ipod today
2007-05-23T21:22:13  <xorAxAx> dreimark: minor stuff for windows compat, dont feel blocked by me :)
2007-05-23T21:22:14  <grzywacz> O_o;
2007-05-23T21:23:04  <neagulm> grzywacz, unfortunately the thing with auto-completing thoughts is not working... :(
2007-05-23T21:23:40  <grzywacz> neagulm, I know, someone should finally implement it ;(
2007-05-23T21:24:07  <neagulm> dreimark, the good thing is that I won a cool Swiss Knife, the bad thing is that it has a M$ logo
2007-05-23T21:25:37  <dreimark> they have live time gurante, thats different from M$
2007-05-23T21:25:50  <grzywacz> That's *quite* different. ;>
2007-05-23T21:26:47  <dreimark> the logo is quite incompatible
2007-05-23T21:28:29  <neagulm> :)
2007-05-23T21:29:51  <starshine> what about the logo is incompatible?
2007-05-23T21:29:55  <starshine> oh
2007-05-23T21:30:13  * starshine adjusts the lil window panes part so it has a L
2007-05-23T21:30:15  <starshine> there
2007-05-23T21:30:25  <starshine> now you can WINE about it some more ;P
2007-05-23T21:32:14  <neagulm> bbl
2007-05-23T21:34:33  <dreimark> What is the meaning of  "No system items" for xapian search ?
2007-05-23T21:48:11  <ThomasWaldmann> that it doesnt include system pages in search results
2007-05-23T21:49:28  <neagulm> dreimark, I have to leave... I will be back tomorrow
2007-05-23T21:49:43  <dreimark> is that different from not searching in underlay ?
2007-05-23T21:49:53  <dreimark> neagulm: ok, cu
2007-05-23T21:55:50  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: has pystemmer some time before worked?
2007-05-23T21:56:03  <xorAxAx> dreimark: yes, thats very different
2007-05-23T21:56:13  <xorAxAx> the concept of underlay and system pages are orthogonal
2007-05-23T21:57:24  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: yeah, stemmer has worked, but the dict has True in it and True() doesnt work
2007-05-23T22:00:45  <dreimark> xorAxAx: right SystemPages are a subset of underlay