MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2007-06-14

2007-06-14T00:55:39  <grzywacz> This is driving me nuts. ;S
2007-06-14T00:56:15  <xorAxAx> grzywacz: what? :)
2007-06-14T00:56:29  <grzywacz> wiki xmlrpc
2007-06-14T00:56:33  <xorAxAx> grzywacz: dont feel blocked by bad code
2007-06-14T00:56:37  <xorAxAx> grzywacz: why is that?
2007-06-14T00:57:16  <grzywacz> I fail to understand what gets returned and in what "amounts" when doing a multicall.
2007-06-14T00:58:08  <zenhase> hmm
2007-06-14T00:58:31  <zenhase> perhaps it wasn't a good idea to put pycallgraph directly before request.run()
2007-06-14T01:04:57  <xorAxAx> grzywacz: every call of a multicall returns one element
2007-06-14T01:04:59  <xorAxAx> in the list
2007-06-14T01:05:41  <grzywacz> xorAxAx, sorry, I've already found a different bug. ;S
2007-06-14T01:05:51  <grzywacz> It was obscuring everything.
2007-06-14T01:06:20  <xorAxAx> hehe
2007-06-14T01:06:28  * zenhase thinks about making coffee while waiting for the frontpage to render
2007-06-14T01:07:00  <grzywacz> lol?
2007-06-14T01:07:01  <xorAxAx> hehe
2007-06-14T01:07:13  <grzywacz> What did you implement, ray tracing? :D
2007-06-14T01:07:15  <grzywacz> :p
2007-06-14T01:07:27  <xorAxAx> zenhase: dont forget to think about caching
2007-06-14T01:07:31  <zenhase> grzywacz: full function-call-trace of request.run()
2007-06-14T01:08:15  <grzywacz> zenhase, ouch
2007-06-14T01:08:27  <xorAxAx> zenhase: which tool?
2007-06-14T01:08:34  <zenhase> xorAxAx: pycallgrpah
2007-06-14T01:08:49  <xorAxAx> cool
2007-06-14T01:08:59  <zenhase> well, it's no big deal
2007-06-14T01:08:59  <xorAxAx> once, i searched that for java
2007-06-14T01:09:09  <xorAxAx> i didnt find anything useful
2007-06-14T01:09:29  <zenhase> it's basically pycallgrapg.start_trace() and .stop_trace() around request.run() in my moin.fcg
2007-06-14T01:09:48  <zenhase> and then dump out the .dot-file
2007-06-14T01:10:17  <grzywacz> God... I've deleted my perfectly good code because I thought there was something wrong with it...
2007-06-14T01:10:23  * grzywacz slaps grzywacz with a large trout
2007-06-14T01:10:31  <zenhase> hmm
2007-06-14T01:10:53  <xorAxAx> grzywacz: eclipse has a local history
2007-06-14T01:11:02  <xorAxAx> grzywacz: context menu in the package explorer
2007-06-14T01:11:06  <zenhase> that reminds me: can hg assemble a single changeset from multiple changesets in a repo?
2007-06-14T01:11:11  <xorAxAx> somewhere it says "... local history ..."
2007-06-14T01:11:25  <xorAxAx> zenhase: somehow, yes. ask in #mercurial
2007-06-14T01:12:06  <grzywacz> xorAxAx, :S
2007-06-14T01:12:41  <xorAxAx> grzywacz: but you arent using eclipse? :)
2007-06-14T01:12:50  <xorAxAx> or didnt you save? :)
2007-06-14T01:13:00  <grzywacz> I am.
2007-06-14T01:13:10  <grzywacz> Nevermind, it wasn't much. It's just annoying.
2007-06-14T01:13:30  <grzywacz> Tea is getting ready, I should get my mind cleared soon.;)
2007-06-14T01:13:49  <xorAxAx> hehe
2007-06-14T01:19:37  <CIA-27> moin: Karol 'grzywacz' Nowak <grzywacz@sul.uni.lodz.pl> * 2109:38c8f31be12e 1.7-jabber-knowak/MoinMoin/events/messages.py: Don't add newlines at the end of message.
2007-06-14T01:19:41  <CIA-27> moin: Karol 'grzywacz' Nowak <grzywacz@sul.uni.lodz.pl> * 2110:805d56ccbea7 1.7-jabber-knowak/jabberbot/ (xmlrpcbot.py xmppbot.py): Don't import each command by hand, rather used a shortened module name.
2007-06-14T01:19:41  <CIA-27> moin: Karol 'grzywacz' Nowak <grzywacz@sul.uni.lodz.pl> * 2111:9d497d976218 1.7-jabber-knowak/MoinMoin/xmlrpc/__init__.py: Fix bad names of parameters in wiki xmlrpc code. Looks like bug to me.
2007-06-14T01:19:42  <CIA-27> moin: Karol 'grzywacz' Nowak <grzywacz@sul.uni.lodz.pl> * 2112:2223b127380a 1.7-jabber-knowak/jabberbot/multicall.py: Copy the multicall used by MoinMoin. It's not present in Python 2.3.
2007-06-14T01:19:43  <CIA-27> moin: Karol 'grzywacz' Nowak <grzywacz@sul.uni.lodz.pl> * 2113:ae2134211ac1 1.7-jabber-knowak/jabberbot/ (commands.py main.py xmlrpcbot.py xmppbot.py): XMPP -> wiki XML RPC, the beginning...
2007-06-14T01:19:45  <grzywacz> Push&forget. Finally I can get something entertaining done. ;)
2007-06-14T01:20:18  <grzywacz> Oh no...
2007-06-14T01:20:39  <grzywacz> Now you know the password for my local wiki. ;->
2007-06-14T01:21:10  <zenhase> woohoo
2007-06-14T01:21:16  <zenhase> callgraph has finished :>
2007-06-14T01:21:22  <grzywacz> zenhase, show me!
2007-06-14T01:21:40  <xorAxAx> grzywacz: thats secret! nobody should ever grasp the whole graph!
2007-06-14T01:22:07  <grzywacz> xorAxAx, no one will *grasp* it anyway, even if he sees it ;-P
2007-06-14T01:22:28  <xorAxAx> :-)
2007-06-14T01:23:27  <zenhase> grzywacz: i am looking for the rendering tool
2007-06-14T01:23:31  <zenhase> give me a minute
2007-06-14T01:24:25  <grzywacz> kk
2007-06-14T01:28:35  <zenhase> ah, it's just -Tpng
2007-06-14T01:32:15  * grzywacz likes callgraphs
2007-06-14T01:32:47  <zenhase> this is going to kill your system: http://eigensex.org/~flowtech/FrontPage-call.png
2007-06-14T01:32:57  <zenhase> 4216x10138 pixels
2007-06-14T01:33:22  <xorAxAx> there is a nice viewer for that
2007-06-14T01:33:41  <xorAxAx> nip2
2007-06-14T01:33:58  <xorAxAx> the only image viewer i know that eats such dimenions
2007-06-14T01:34:19  <zenhase> graphics/nip2             Graphical user interface for VIPS
2007-06-14T01:34:21  <zenhase> this one?
2007-06-14T01:34:37  <xorAxAx> yes
2007-06-14T01:35:39  <grzywacz> Looks quite clean. :)
2007-06-14T01:37:36  <xorAxAx> i dont see ellipses or edges
2007-06-14T01:39:27  <zenhase> hmm
2007-06-14T01:39:35  * zenhase tries the svg output
2007-06-14T01:42:15  <xorAxAx> "We will be doing a Western Union Batch Payment on Friday.
2007-06-14T01:42:16  <xorAxAx> "
2007-06-14T01:42:27  <xorAxAx> interesting
2007-06-14T01:42:58  <zenhase> hmm
2007-06-14T01:43:10  <grzywacz> heh, what now?
2007-06-14T01:43:32  <zenhase> i am already listed in the "send out batches" but i couldn't get the WU website to tell me if it has arrived today
2007-06-14T01:43:34  <grzywacz> I feel some resentment to this list after all the "spam".
2007-06-14T01:43:51  <zenhase> grzywacz: you mean gsoc students?
2007-06-14T01:43:55  <grzywacz> yes
2007-06-14T01:44:13  <zenhase> i never got thru read that all
2007-06-14T01:44:29  <grzywacz> Some of the questions were so silly, I'd never say that a *student* could ask them...
2007-06-14T01:44:30  <grzywacz> -_-;
2007-06-14T01:44:40  <xorAxAx> 50% of my soc time last year was spent reading the list or doing tax form stuff
2007-06-14T01:44:41  <zenhase> but thanks to 'search mail' it's quite managable
2007-06-14T01:44:52  <zenhase> xorAxAx: omg
2007-06-14T01:44:57  <xorAxAx> just kidding :)
2007-06-14T01:45:11  <grzywacz> Well, the list has become quiet at last.
2007-06-14T01:45:16  <zenhase> xorAxAx: well, i am not a mailing list person to begin with
2007-06-14T01:45:17  <grzywacz> Till the next payment round, of course.
2007-06-14T01:45:35  <grzywacz> Then hell will break lose again. -_-;
2007-06-14T01:45:37  <zenhase> i try to stick as much as possible to means of direct communication
2007-06-14T01:45:39  <xorAxAx> zenhase: never understood those ... :)
2007-06-14T01:45:45  <xorAxAx> ... who arent
2007-06-14T01:46:11  <xorAxAx> so you would never write a book?
2007-06-14T01:46:29  <grzywacz> Heh?
2007-06-14T01:46:54  <grzywacz> Does book qualify as one of means of communication?
2007-06-14T01:47:02  <zenhase> xorAxAx: oh, i know several people at university ... you find them posting on every little bit of stuff on usenet, they can remotely say something to
2007-06-14T01:47:18  <zenhase> hmm
2007-06-14T01:47:23  <zenhase> book is something different
2007-06-14T01:47:29  <grzywacz> indeed
2007-06-14T01:47:44  <xorAxAx> grzywacz: yes
2007-06-14T01:48:04  <xorAxAx> its communication, but very indirect one
2007-06-14T01:48:26  <xorAxAx> zenhase: well, people at my uni dont know what usenet is
2007-06-14T01:48:46  <grzywacz> sad
2007-06-14T01:48:49  <grzywacz> ;]
2007-06-14T01:48:51  <xorAxAx> they shutdown the local server half a year ago ... just 100 posts via it to de.* per month
2007-06-14T01:49:13  <xorAxAx> no, seriously, you will find only incompetent people here :
2007-06-14T01:49:15  <xorAxAx> -)
2007-06-14T01:49:42  <grzywacz> No worries. It's mostly the same here. But there is a few, that know a lot.
2007-06-14T01:49:43  <grzywacz> ;)
2007-06-14T01:50:00  <grzywacz> s/is/are/
2007-06-14T01:50:01  <zenhase> shutting down small services in a university computer centre is just plain ridiculous
2007-06-14T01:50:15  <xorAxAx> zenhase: it was one of the busiest hubs
2007-06-14T01:50:20  <zenhase> they don't hurt them and some people always will use those
2007-06-14T01:50:21  <xorAxAx> it peered with a lot of large servers
2007-06-14T01:50:35  <xorAxAx> and because of article feeding is kind of a race condition, it fed a lot
2007-06-14T01:50:40  <xorAxAx> and traffic is money :)
2007-06-14T01:50:48  <zenhase> hmm big you say? 100 posts sounded small too me ...
2007-06-14T01:50:55  <xorAxAx> 100 posts injected via it
2007-06-14T01:51:00  <xorAxAx> but it relayed millions
2007-06-14T01:51:03  <zenhase> ah ok
2007-06-14T01:51:23  <xorAxAx> but the largest reason was administration
2007-06-14T01:51:33  <xorAxAx> nobody was skilled enough to cope with INN
2007-06-14T01:51:37  <zenhase> hrhr
2007-06-14T01:51:58  <grzywacz> :D
2007-06-14T01:52:09  <xorAxAx> the CS support team at the uni is the most incompetent one compared to the other institues
2007-06-14T01:52:36  <xorAxAx> (and they were administering the server)
2007-06-14T01:53:07  <xorAxAx> oh well, good night
2007-06-14T01:58:11  <grzywacz> night xorAxAx
2007-06-14T01:58:26  <zenhase> n8 xorAxAx
2007-06-14T01:58:57  <zenhase> grzywacz: you're still staying awake? :>
2007-06-14T01:59:34  * zenhase really likes night-persons like himself
2007-06-14T02:00:38  <grzywacz> zenhase, sure.
2007-06-14T02:00:56  <grzywacz> I'm glad you('re) like me. ;)
2007-06-14T02:01:04  <zenhase> hehe
2007-06-14T02:01:13  <zenhase> nip2 should be ready in a minute
2007-06-14T02:01:22  <grzywacz> gqview did the trick for me.
2007-06-14T02:01:27  <zenhase> ah ok
2007-06-14T02:01:36  <zenhase> AH!
2007-06-14T02:01:45  <zenhase> ** Port marked as IGNORE: graphics/nip2: is marked as broken: Incomplete pkg-plist
2007-06-14T02:01:53  <grzywacz> oh
2007-06-14T02:01:58  <zenhase> so long for nip :>
2007-06-14T02:12:27  <zenhase> har
2007-06-14T02:13:02  <zenhase> dot -> ps -> poster for A0 output on 8 A4 pages :>
2007-06-14T02:14:40  <grzywacz> haha
2007-06-14T02:14:56  <grzywacz> Some duct tape and you're done.
2007-06-14T02:14:57  <grzywacz> ;p
2007-06-14T02:15:44  <zenhase> hmm
2007-06-14T02:15:53  <zenhase> figures that A0 is still hard time reading
2007-06-14T02:16:10  <zenhase> fontsize looks like 4pt or so
2007-06-14T02:18:22  <grzywacz> Put it on the wall.
2007-06-14T02:18:36  <grzywacz> Join all sheets with tape (from behind).
2007-06-14T02:24:51  <grzywacz> Hm, there will be no mid-term code submissions it seems.
2007-06-14T02:27:39  <zenhase> grzywacz: hmm?
2007-06-14T02:28:51  <grzywacz> zenhase, take a look at the gsoc mailing list ;-)
2007-06-14T02:33:19  <zenhase> ah, i see
2007-06-14T02:36:07  <zenhase> hmm, a friend of mine showed me a live-callgraph tool some months ago ... but i cannot remember the name :/
2007-06-14T03:32:51  <grzywacz> A live callgraph would be amusing.
2007-06-14T03:38:55  <zenhase> yep
2007-06-14T03:44:52  <CIA-27> moin: Karol 'grzywacz' Nowak <grzywacz@sul.uni.lodz.pl> * 2114:69412724ce93 1.7-jabber-knowak/MoinMoin/ (request/__init__.py xmlrpc/__init__.py): Make it possible to get an auth token using jid and shared secret.
2007-06-14T03:44:54  <CIA-27> moin: Karol 'grzywacz' Nowak <grzywacz@sul.uni.lodz.pl> * 2115:184975c4b86f 1.7-jabber-knowak/jabberbot/xmlrpcbot.py: Fix GetPage, make it use the token obtained using jid and shared secret.
2007-06-14T03:45:53  <grzywacz> Oh, your question on #mercurial has been answered... Let's see...
2007-06-14T03:57:37  <grzywacz> Fault: <Fault 1: "exceptions.AttributeError:'Request' object has no attribute 'theme'">
2007-06-14T03:57:45  <grzywacz> Oops, another bug in wiki xmlrpc code?
2007-06-14T03:57:56  <zenhase> ;hmm
2007-06-14T03:58:29  <grzywacz> Obviously, something may be unset when requests come from the xmlrpc code.
2007-06-14T03:58:38  <grzywacz> A reasonable default would be nice. ;)
2007-06-14T03:59:42  <grzywacz> Well then, good night. Or day. I have a test today evening and i'd rather study for it a little bit in the afternoon. <;
2007-06-14T04:01:01  <zenhase> good luck then
2007-06-14T04:01:26  <zenhase> i go to sleep now too, i want to finish the prototype tomorrow
2007-06-14T08:23:12  <ThomasWaldmann> moin
2007-06-14T09:18:45  <ThomasWaldmann> http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/1.7-jabber-knowak/rev/805d56ccbea7 < much better after that
2007-06-14T11:04:40  <johill> grzywacz: ?
2007-06-14T11:06:46  <grzywacz> johill, are you the one how added wiki xmlrpc code? :)
2007-06-14T11:07:28  <johill> no, that'd be xorAxAx iircafaik
2007-06-14T11:07:45  <johill> I just modified it at some point wrt. security
2007-06-14T11:08:45  <grzywacz> heh, ok ;]
2007-06-14T11:09:10  <johill> I don't konw much about it either, though if you ask a question ... ;)
2007-06-14T11:13:28  <xorAxAx> johill: no, you broke it
2007-06-14T11:13:35  <xorAxAx> :-)
2007-06-14T11:13:48  <xorAxAx> johill: are you at the festival today so that we can clarify that like real men do?
2007-06-14T11:13:53  <grzywacz> ;-)
2007-06-14T11:14:00  <johill> oh, I broke it? why/how/where?
2007-06-14T11:14:05  <johill> yeah, I'll be there :P
2007-06-14T11:14:11  <xorAxAx> cool
2007-06-14T11:14:19  <dreimark> which festival ?
2007-06-14T11:14:31  <johill> bit late though, probably only around 6-7ish
2007-06-14T11:14:37  <xorAxAx> johill: well, just a typo, you introduced a caching call and used an incorrect name for a local
2007-06-14T11:14:48  <johill> oh
2007-06-14T11:14:53  <xorAxAx> yeah, i will be there at around 18:00
2007-06-14T11:15:01  <xorAxAx> dreimark: sommerfestival at our uni
2007-06-14T11:15:16  <johill> das-sommerfest.de or something like that
2007-06-14T11:15:38  <dreimark> ahh , have fun!
2007-06-14T11:15:44  <johill> das-sommerfestival.de actually
2007-06-14T12:22:45  <grzywacz> Crap, I don't want to go to uni or take this silly test. I'd rather code now. ;(
2007-06-14T12:31:43  <ffesti> grzywacz, fork yourself and send your second instance
2007-06-14T12:32:04  <xorAxAx> grzywacz: what is it about?
2007-06-14T12:32:25  <xorAxAx> and why do you write tests at noon? one my next ones will be at 7:30 am
2007-06-14T12:33:24  <grzywacz> xorAxAx, basics of electronics
2007-06-14T12:33:29  <grzywacz> At 4PM.
2007-06-14T12:33:31  <grzywacz> :D
2007-06-14T12:33:34  <grzywacz> Welcome to my uni. :P
2007-06-14T12:33:49  <xorAxAx> i would love to have it at 4 PM instead of 7 am
2007-06-14T12:33:50  <grzywacz> ffesti, I wish I could. ;)
2007-06-14T12:34:06  <grzywacz> xorAxAx, well, sometimes it's good. Sometime's you're tired enough by that time to write it badly.
2007-06-14T12:35:54  * grzywacz off
2007-06-14T12:35:58  <xorAxAx> at 7 am i will be sleeping in any case
2007-06-14T12:36:18  <xorAxAx> i think the reason is that the exam is so important that you have to be able to do it while you are sleeping
2007-06-14T14:13:38  <vpv> I'm having trouble with Pydev and code completion. It doesn't seem to recognize any Moin code. I'm running moin.py straight from my local hg clone and I have added "MoinMoin" as the project source folder.
2007-06-14T14:15:38  <ThomasWaldmann> usually it suggests to add some "src" folder to the python path
2007-06-14T14:15:51  <ThomasWaldmann> the MoinMoin module has to be src/MoinMoin/ then
2007-06-14T14:21:01  <vpv> It does, but I've switched that off and then try to set it as "MoinMoin/" in the project options. It even draws a little box next to the MM folder, but still nothing...
2007-06-14T16:23:42  <zenhase> re
2007-06-14T16:25:26  <zenhase> i was at the bank today, collecting the initial payment from google
2007-06-14T16:26:55  <zenhase> and invited a friend for extensive dinner, since he had bad luck with gsoc
2007-06-14T16:27:24  <xorAxAx> :-)
2007-06-14T16:27:44  <zenhase> (perhaps i told already: he was so excited he finished before the students were accepted)
2007-06-14T16:28:14  <xorAxAx> :-)
2007-06-14T16:28:50  <ffesti> moin zenhase
2007-06-14T16:29:47  <vpv> I'm pretty frustrated at PyDev now. Thomas was right, it needs the MoinMoin folder to be under the default "src" folder before code completion works fully. How weird...
2007-06-14T16:31:39  <zenhase> moin ffesti :>
2007-06-14T16:32:11  <ffesti> vpv, smylink?
2007-06-14T16:32:40  <vpv> there shouldn't be any
2007-06-14T16:33:24  <vpv> If I go to Project Properties and add a source folder manually, code completion doesn't work in that folder...
2007-06-14T16:42:03  <ThomasWaldmann> zenhase: finished? you mean he finished the project he suggested before he was (not) accepted? :D
2007-06-14T16:42:41  <ThomasWaldmann> vpv: i guess it is just a matter of sys.path
2007-06-14T16:43:41  <ThomasWaldmann> vpv: and maybe you must "rebuild" (or "refresh" in the file explorer window) the project so it notices "new" stuff
2007-06-14T16:43:53  <zenhase> ThomasWaldmann: suggested and implemented
2007-06-14T16:44:19  <ThomasWaldmann> hmm, bad timing :D
2007-06-14T16:44:24  <zenhase> ThomasWaldmann: he's kindof overproductive sometimes ... does not sleep for a few days and finishes big C projects in no time
2007-06-14T16:44:30  <ThomasWaldmann> but maybe the project was too small then anyway
2007-06-14T16:45:26  <ThomasWaldmann> but if his code was welcome to that project, he maybe has a better chance next year because of that
2007-06-14T16:45:47  <zenhase> it was some lowlevel stuff for the freebsd-kernel
2007-06-14T16:45:49  <vpv> ThomasWaldmann: might be, but adding source folder manually should add them to sys.path (it does, I printed it out when running moin inside eclipse)
2007-06-14T16:46:32  <ThomasWaldmann> (and well, the main point of gsoc is to get more people contributing to free software rather than more students with great summer jobs)
2007-06-14T16:49:02  <zenhase> yeah
2007-06-14T16:50:00  <zenhase> he wasn't very sad, he was happy that he got back into the freebsd community thru this
2007-06-14T16:50:58  * ThomasWaldmann does always remember that Vieh-BSE word play in such context. :)
2007-06-14T16:57:47  <vpv> I finally have this solved, I cloned my repo directly to "src/" after creating the pydev project and now it works...
2007-06-14T17:07:27  * zenhase is doing the exact same thing right now
2007-06-14T17:08:16  <zenhase> ThomasWaldmann: the moin instance you run in your pydev, is it the standalone-server directly from the src-repo?
2007-06-14T17:08:26  <ThomasWaldmann> yes
2007-06-14T17:08:52  <zenhase> ok :>
2007-06-14T17:14:42  <ThomasWaldmann> http://moinmo.in/MoinDev/DeveloperTools?action=diff&rev2=15&rev1=14
2007-06-14T17:19:19  <vpv> I just posted a thread on their forum about this, https://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?thread_id=1756854&forum_id=293649
2007-06-14T17:21:21  <zenhase> hmm
2007-06-14T17:21:58  <zenhase> i have some problem with the moin.py .. it does not seem to terminate on ctrl-c or term signals
2007-06-14T17:22:13  <ThomasWaldmann> kill -9 :)
2007-06-14T17:22:25  <ThomasWaldmann> or find the cause :)
2007-06-14T17:25:04  <zenhase> kill -9 works, but the eclipse-console does not send KILL ;>
2007-06-14T17:25:54  <ThomasWaldmann> maybe the red button could send sigterm and a while later sigkill
2007-06-14T17:27:36  <ThomasWaldmann> hmm, looks like fabioz.com is offline
2007-06-14T17:38:36  <ThomasWaldmann> bbl
2007-06-14T17:42:00  <zenhase> hmm, F3 - goto definition throws a java null pointer exception at me
2007-06-14T17:48:04  <zenhase> vpv: you have had similar problems with pydev?
2007-06-14T17:48:38  <vpv> I've never tried that, but maybe it should be an Extensions feature?
2007-06-14T17:49:36  <vpv> btw, how can I avoid pushing my wikiconfig and hgignore when doing hg push?
2007-06-14T17:50:23  <zenhase> on the hg cmdline with -X wikiconfig.py -X hgignore
2007-06-14T17:50:42  <zenhase> how to do that in hgrc, i don't know
2007-06-14T17:51:45  <vpv> thanks :)
2007-06-14T17:55:52  <zenhase> hmm
2007-06-14T17:56:00  <zenhase> this doesn't work for push btw
2007-06-14T17:56:04  <zenhase> it's for commit :>
2007-06-14T19:06:55  <zenhase> ah ok, the F3-problem is because of a missing extension (BRM in the free version of pydev)
2007-06-14T20:04:21  <zenhase> fine
2007-06-14T20:04:32  <zenhase> now it looks like modern
2007-06-14T20:05:23  <zenhase> tho i am still missing some meta-stuff in the head i think and the i don't really distinguish print-view right now
2007-06-14T20:06:51  <zenhase> btw ... if i want to write some supporting code (supporting development, not MoinMoin directly), where would i put that in my repo? contrib?
2007-06-14T20:16:26  <starshine> yeah, that's wher ethey put my extra logos when I had some.
2007-06-14T20:33:14  <zenhase> starshine: ok
2007-06-14T20:34:50  <neagulm> is there some way to create a link to a page revision ?
2007-06-14T21:16:59  <grzybacz> re -_-;
2007-06-14T21:17:29  <grzybacz> Sudden storm = no power, no Internet, lake outside the window -_-;
2007-06-14T21:32:06  <zenhase> grzybacz: here it poured too
2007-06-14T21:32:23  <zenhase> grzybacz: i found the live graphing tool again, btw
2007-06-14T21:32:36  <grzybacz> Well, DNS still doesn't work. And my ups died, however I've managed to save everything. ;)
2007-06-14T21:32:44  <zenhase> http://www.informatik.uni-bremen.de/uDrawGraph/en/index.html
2007-06-14T21:32:45  <grzybacz> zenhase: oh? I'd like to see it when stuff gets back to normal.
2007-06-14T21:38:26  <zenhase> bummer is, the language for communication with the graphing application is documented only in BNF
2007-06-14T21:38:35  <zenhase> so it's hard grasping the basics
2007-06-14T22:43:58  <dreimark> moin
2007-06-14T22:47:22  <neagulm> hello dreimark
2007-06-14T22:47:32  <dreimark> hi my studend :)
2007-06-14T22:47:36  <dreimark> student
2007-06-14T22:48:40  <CIA-27> moin: Marian Neagul marian@info.uvt.ro * 2029:0405e6040328 1.7-classify-mneagul/ (6 files in 4 dirs): Store page revisions in SpamPages/HamPages.
2007-06-14T22:49:31  <neagulm> brb ~5 minutes
2007-06-14T22:58:43  <neagulm> dreimark, is there some way to store 'meta' data about a revision ?
2007-06-14T23:00:28  <dreimark> neagulm: what do you want to store?
2007-06-14T23:01:11  <neagulm> dreimark, the classification of a revision... I want to show in page info the previous classifications of a page
2007-06-14T23:02:32  <dreimark> wikiutil has currently INTEGER_METAS for current, revision and data_format_revision
2007-06-14T23:05:37  <dreimark> neagulm: see class MetaDict(dict): in wikiutil how to access meta files
2007-06-14T23:07:53  <neagulm> mm.www.de is down?
2007-06-14T23:08:32  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: 500 - internal server error