MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2008-01-26

2008-01-26T00:04:07  <YoniWiz> ThomasWaldmann: and/or xorAxAx: how do I find the parameters & embedding info for things?
2008-01-26T00:04:23  <YoniWiz> like I found a plugin for .doc and .pdf but i dont know about the embedding info
2008-01-26T00:05:01  <dreimark> good night
2008-01-26T00:06:32  <xorAxAx> YoniWiz: in the docs of the plugin
2008-01-26T03:45:17  <YoniWiz> dreimark: I updated the wiki with many more plugin information items
2008-01-26T03:45:53  <YoniWiz> and, although this is out of date - which is why I didnt put it in the wiki, it has good information about some of your mime types if you are interested
2008-01-26T03:45:54  <YoniWiz> http://joliclic.free.fr/html/object-tag/en/object-results.php#browsersDetails
2008-01-26T09:26:47  <kikka> hello.
2008-01-26T09:31:27  <dreimark> moin
2008-01-26T09:39:22  <kikka> moin dreimark
2008-01-26T09:39:32  <dreimark> hi kikka
2008-01-26T10:07:01  <dreimark> bbl
2008-01-26T12:27:47  <ThomasWaldmann> re
2008-01-26T12:34:47  <kikka> Hey ThomasWaldmann
2008-01-26T13:26:19  * ThomasWaldmann continues playing with blueprint css
2008-01-26T13:39:41  <kikka> ThomasWaldmann, was war das eigentlich fuer ein Notebook das du auf dem 24c3 dabei hattest?
2008-01-26T13:40:19  <ThomasWaldmann> fujitsu p7010
2008-01-26T13:41:26  <ThomasWaldmann> kikka: starshine hat das neuere modell davon
2008-01-26T13:52:56  <kikka> Huch? Echt? Das wirkte weit kleiner
2008-01-26T15:46:44  <cb22> http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/08/01/26/1339249.shtml scary...
2008-01-26T15:50:43  <xorAxAx> well, it was some document stating how expensive skype interception would be to the authorities. and the central question was "who should pay the costs?" in that letter :)
2008-01-26T16:04:31  <ThomasWaldmann> kikka: smaller than what?
2008-01-26T16:11:22  <ThomasWaldmann> kikka: maybe this one, we have to ask her for details :) http://store.shopfujitsu.com/fpc/Ecommerce/buildseriesbean.do?series=P7230P
2008-01-26T16:49:36  <kikka> ThomasWaldmann, I thought it was an UMPC
2008-01-26T16:54:21  * cb22 eyes the u1010
2008-01-26T17:27:19  <ThomasWaldmann> cb22: how long does it run on battery in real life?
2008-01-26T18:47:37  <CIA-36> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 2522:60c8ef447310 1.6/ (MoinMoin/parser/text_rst.py docs/CHANGES): RST parser: fix attachment: and drawing: processing
2008-01-26T18:47:39  <CIA-36> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 2523:c3bdf726d12b 1.6/MoinMoin/macro/EmbedObject.py: merge main
2008-01-26T19:18:53  <CIA-36> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 2524:b81376013df9 1.6/ (MoinMoin/config/multiconfig.py docs/CHANGES): fixed the quickhelp shown when editing RST markup
2008-01-26T20:10:59  <xorAxAx> hi forrestv_
2008-01-26T20:11:04  <xorAxAx> currently reviewing your code
2008-01-26T20:11:07  <forrestv_> hi
2008-01-26T20:11:15  <xorAxAx> cb22: is your moin script --help stuff already committed to 1.7?
2008-01-26T20:11:32  <xorAxAx> forrestv_: is your patch against 1.7?
2008-01-26T20:11:41  <forrestv_> xorAxAx: yes
2008-01-26T20:11:45  <xorAxAx> ok
2008-01-26T20:13:16  <xorAxAx> forrestv_: i added a comment
2008-01-26T20:14:40  <forrestv_> xorAxAx: why doesn't moin.py work when it isn't installed?
2008-01-26T20:15:31  <forrestv_> xorAxAx: you mean running out of the build directory? that works for me
2008-01-26T20:15:36  <xorAxAx> forrestv_: because it imports MoinMoin
2008-01-26T20:15:47  <xorAxAx> then it only works for you because you ran setup.py install
2008-01-26T20:18:19  <forrestv_> xorAxAx: i did not run setup.py. i have been only running it out of the build directory. what imports MoinMoin? moin.py or MoinMoin/script/server/standalone.py?
2008-01-26T20:18:30  <xorAxAx> the former
2008-01-26T20:18:53  <forrestv_> xorAxAx: it can import MoinMoin from the build directory...
2008-01-26T20:19:17  <xorAxAx> "build directory"?
2008-01-26T20:20:02  <forrestv_> xorAxAx: the directory the source is in
2008-01-26T20:21:22  <xorAxAx> are you on windows?
2008-01-26T20:21:43  <forrestv_> xorAxAx: no
2008-01-26T20:21:46  <xorAxAx> ok
2008-01-26T20:22:01  <xorAxAx> indeed, it doesnt need the MoinMoin fixup
2008-01-26T20:22:45  <xorAxAx> but the htdocs path is fixed up
2008-01-26T20:23:01  <xorAxAx> forrestv_: try starting moin.py with a different current dir than the "build dir"
2008-01-26T20:23:11  <xorAxAx> and see whether the page looks sane when requested
2008-01-26T20:28:30  <ThomasWaldmann> looks like #26 will get reopened/invalidated soon
2008-01-26T20:28:59  <forrestv_> xorAxAx: i fixed that. the issue is updated.
2008-01-26T20:29:44  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: reopened? %-)
2008-01-26T20:29:46  <forrestv_> what happens if someone tries to claim issue 114?
2008-01-26T20:30:19  <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: just to avoid confusing some google tool :)
2008-01-26T20:31:37  <xorAxAx> forrestv_: well, all claim related logic is done manually by us :)
2008-01-26T20:31:51  <xorAxAx> and the claiming period has ended
2008-01-26T20:32:31  <forrestv_> xorAxAx: heh. i used the original moin.py code to make it detect which directory it is in.
2008-01-26T20:49:31  <xorAxAx> forrestv_: the code has still the same problem
2008-01-26T20:49:34  <xorAxAx> 20:23:01 < xorAxAx> forrestv_: try starting moin.py with a different current dir than the "build dir"
2008-01-26T20:49:37  <xorAxAx> that will fail
2008-01-26T20:50:04  <xorAxAx> also, why do you duplicate the daemonize logic?
2008-01-26T20:50:11  <xorAxAx> moin already has it in another file
2008-01-26T20:50:11  <forrestv_> xorAxAx: its not for me.
2008-01-26T20:50:19  <xorAxAx> hmm?
2008-01-26T20:50:47  <forrestv_> xorAxAx: it runs from other directorys
2008-01-26T20:50:59  <xorAxAx> did you request a webpage?
2008-01-26T20:51:11  <xorAxAx> and check whether all images appear?
2008-01-26T20:52:25  <forrestv_> xorAxAx: yes... they do
2008-01-26T20:52:38  <forrestv_> xorAxAx: did you look at the new patch?
2008-01-26T20:53:07  <xorAxAx> yes
2008-01-26T20:53:23  <xorAxAx> i wonder how that should work
2008-01-26T20:53:26  <xorAxAx> explain
2008-01-26T20:54:03  <forrestv_> xorAxAx: it finds how you are calling it to get the directory it is in, then changes to that directory so it can access htdocs and MoinMoin
2008-01-26T20:54:15  <xorAxAx> ah, it chdirs?
2008-01-26T20:54:20  <xorAxAx> OMG
2008-01-26T20:54:25  <xorAxAx> dont do that
2008-01-26T20:54:41  <forrestv_> xorAxAx: why?
2008-01-26T20:54:43  <xorAxAx> will harm any piece of code that starts this script
2008-01-26T20:54:57  <xorAxAx> because one should assume that a program doesnt chdir, esp. if it doesnt chdir back
2008-01-26T20:55:15  <xorAxAx> hmm
2008-01-26T20:55:25  <forrestv_> xorAxAx: by script you mean shell/python?
2008-01-26T20:55:27  <xorAxAx> ignore that, it seems like linux is different than DOS :)
2008-01-26T20:55:38  <xorAxAx> but this might fail on windows
2008-01-26T20:55:44  <forrestv_> xorAxAx: ok, i'll check
2008-01-26T20:55:47  <xorAxAx> forrestv_: yes, so lets say cmd.exe :)
2008-01-26T21:03:22  <forrestv_> xorAxAx: works fine on windows, but i can't check if chdir affects outer processes. whats the equivalent of Ctrl-C on windows?
2008-01-26T21:04:50  <xorAxAx> forrestv_: ctrl-break
2008-01-26T21:05:11  <forrestv_> xorAxAx: i don't have a break key :(
2008-01-26T21:05:24  <xorAxAx> its near the scroll lock
2008-01-26T21:05:56  <xorAxAx> why dont you have a break key?
2008-01-26T21:06:06  <ThomasWaldmann> it's broken :))
2008-01-26T21:06:07  <forrestv_> xorAxAx: non standard keyboard
2008-01-26T21:06:24  <xorAxAx> forrestv_: a pity that they didnt add such useful and important keys :
2008-01-26T21:06:25  <xorAxAx> -)
2008-01-26T21:06:40  <xorAxAx> hmm, a lot of gnome games use the break key to stop the game
2008-01-26T21:08:20  <xorAxAx> forrestv_: you can also use the task maanger :-)
2008-01-26T21:08:29  <dreimark> ctrl+alt+del
2008-01-26T21:08:37  <forrestv_> xorAxAx: my keyboard doesn't have a delete key :(
2008-01-26T21:08:47  <xorAxAx> forrestv_: ctrl - shift - esc
2008-01-26T21:08:48  <forrestv_> xorAxAx: i already tried
2008-01-26T21:08:57  <forrestv_> xorAxAx: that works!
2008-01-26T21:08:59  <xorAxAx> dreimark: wrong :)
2008-01-26T21:09:43  <forrestv_> xorAxAx: ok, a chdir in python does not affect any outer processes
2008-01-26T21:09:56  <xorAxAx> forrestv_: ok
2008-01-26T21:10:06  <forrestv_> xorAxAx: i didn't notice the Daemon class, i'll use it
2008-01-26T21:10:24  <xorAxAx> forrestv_: then its still bad because people will assume that their command line args are relative to their working dir :)
2008-01-26T21:10:53  <forrestv_> xorAxAx: there are no args to moin.py. ThomasWaldman was thinking of renaming it to mmde.py
2008-01-26T21:11:11  <forrestv_> xorAxAx: less confusing with MoinMoin/scripts/moin.py
2008-01-26T21:11:38  <dreimark> nice name
2008-01-26T21:11:50  <xorAxAx> forrestv_: hmm, right
2008-01-26T21:12:08  <xorAxAx> ok
2008-01-26T21:23:12  <YoniWiz> xorAxAx: you said that as long as I put in time on a task that the task deserved it was OK to use previous work done by others in my submission, correct?
2008-01-26T21:23:43  <xorAxAx> YoniWiz: yes, i think thats perfectly ok
2008-01-26T21:23:52  <xorAxAx> otherwise the other person hasnt understood opensource :)
2008-01-26T21:24:27  <YoniWiz> alright good. just double checking since it was brought up on the issue page
2008-01-26T21:24:40  <xorAxAx> one of the central ideas is to reuse other peoples work, and this is possible because of the licenses
2008-01-26T21:24:58  <YoniWiz> cool
2008-01-26T21:25:30  <cb22> xorAxAx: yes to 1.7
2008-01-26T21:26:21  <dreimark> cb22: Gallery2 is a parser
2008-01-26T21:26:41  <dreimark> I removed the sentence from a Gallery2 installation
2008-01-26T21:27:14  <dreimark> there is no Gallery2 installation necessary if you have added the parser
2008-01-26T21:27:57  <cb22> dreimark: ah ok. i must have misunderstood
2008-01-26T21:28:46  <cb22> thats why wikis are cool :)
2008-01-26T21:29:07  <dreimark> sometimes people think it is using the php Gallery program
2008-01-26T21:29:22  <cb22> yes i thought that too
2008-01-26T21:29:44  <dreimark> it doesn't it only needs MM
2008-01-26T21:29:56  <cb22> considering the new version of Gallery is called Gallery2
2008-01-26T21:30:50  <dreimark> We have Gallery as macro by simon ryan
2008-01-26T21:31:16  <dreimark> As I have added the parser code I enumbered it +1
2008-01-26T21:31:20  <cb22> ah i see
2008-01-26T21:31:53  <cb22> im ircing with my phone now, but if you havent already i'l add a note about that
2008-01-26T21:32:34  <cb22> 'the gallery2 parser is in no way related to or requires the php gallery2 web application'
2008-01-26T21:32:58  <dreimark> use ( )
2008-01-26T21:38:55  <dreimark> bbl
2008-01-26T21:42:38  * ThomasWaldmann debugs rendering problem of http://master.moinmo.in/HelpOnMacros/ImageLink 
2008-01-26T21:49:17  <grzywacz> new pymag is out!
2008-01-26T21:57:47  <cb22> :( if only i had a paypal acount
2008-01-26T22:05:03  <grzywacz> Or a credit card? ;)
2008-01-26T22:08:10  <cb22> heh, dont rub it in
2008-01-26T22:10:12  <ThomasWaldmann> i guess you all know planetpython.org and planet.python.org for the daily read?
2008-01-26T22:11:40  <grzywacz> I get RSS' via jabber ;)
2008-01-26T22:11:50  <grzywacz> Tons of it :P
2008-01-26T22:23:15  <cb22> so, i could either by a proper ssd hdd for $400 (a 8gb one)
2008-01-26T22:23:40  <cb22> or i could by a 8gb compact flash card with a cf to mini ide converter for $50. hmmm....
2008-01-26T22:51:11  <ThomasWaldmann> cb22: i have done the last :)
2008-01-26T22:52:50  <ThomasWaldmann> seek time is ok, but throughput and cpu load isn't that great (doesn't do udma)
2008-01-26T23:23:12  <ThomasWaldmann> cb22: btw, if you choose to go the cf-adaptor way: there are adaptors that adapt 2 CF cards to a ide bus (master/slave)