MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2008-02-01

2008-02-01T00:00:14  <xorAxAx> expensive router
2008-02-01T00:01:37  * kikka uses at the moment a fritz.box sl running whatever.
2008-02-01T00:01:54  <ThomasWaldmann> kikka: the wl500gp has also more ram, flash and cpu power
2008-02-01T00:02:03  <kikka> ThomasWaldmann, and costs more
2008-02-01T00:02:10  <ThomasWaldmann> sure
2008-02-01T00:02:46  <ThomasWaldmann> so what's the problem with fritz?
2008-02-01T00:03:10  <kikka> the fritzbox sl got 1x ethernet port and 1x usb. nothing more.
2008-02-01T00:03:22  <xorAxAx> mine is too slow for 16 mbits
2008-02-01T00:03:40  <kikka> xorAxAx, sure, that is the router?
2008-02-01T00:03:45  <xorAxAx> yep
2008-02-01T00:04:04  <xorAxAx> ran telnet and top while downloding a file
2008-02-01T00:04:58  <kikka> my fritzbox runs also a telnetd and ar7. the box don't know top or some editor. :(
2008-02-01T00:05:07  <kikka> And: No wireless
2008-02-01T00:05:50  <kikka> Aber der wrt54gl soll nicht die fritz.box ersetzen
2008-02-01T00:08:48  <kikka> But, I need wireless lan :)
2008-02-01T00:08:57  <kikka> For my n770 and such.
2008-02-01T00:10:39  <ThomasWaldmann> how much outsize bw?
2008-02-01T00:10:45  <xorAxAx> real men use reflashed fonera boxen to bridge their wifi network
2008-02-01T00:10:47  <ThomasWaldmann> how much outside bw?
2008-02-01T00:13:18  <kikka> xorAxAx, I don't like the fonera. I give it away.
2008-02-01T00:13:27  <kikka> outside btw?
2008-02-01T00:13:31  <kikka> -t
2008-02-01T00:13:43  <ThomasWaldmann> bandwidth
2008-02-01T00:14:08  <kikka> Puuh, DSL 4000 here.
2008-02-01T00:14:24  <ThomasWaldmann> ok, that works with most stuff
2008-02-01T00:15:11  <kikka> well, the fritzbox sl will rout me. but the wrt54gl will be the wlan-ap.
2008-02-01T00:15:21  <kikka> +e
2008-02-01T00:16:08  <kikka> My home network is antiquated. :(
2008-02-01T00:25:45  <kikka> Meeh, I want G1G1 in Germany.
2008-02-01T00:29:38  <kikka> good night.
2008-02-01T00:30:28  <ThomasWaldmann> gn kikka
2008-02-01T01:05:20  <JordanCronin> ThomasWaldmann: I just noticed something strange on http://MoinMo.in/macro/FreeMindBrowser.py which I moved the other day to MacroMarket/FreeMindBrowser
2008-02-01T01:05:46  <ThomasWaldmann> yes, what?
2008-02-01T01:06:20  <JordanCronin> It said it was edited by "Machine10-104" and the page now as what looks like the ActionMarketTemplate on it
2008-02-01T01:06:30  <JordanCronin> s/as/has
2008-02-01T01:08:35  <ThomasWaldmann> just someone playing around
2008-02-01T01:10:14  <JordanCronin> Ok :)
2008-02-01T03:36:50  * JordanCronin goes to bed
2008-02-01T10:15:14  <xorAxAx> Issue 114: NOTE: GHOP still running, but no new claims can be made
2008-02-01T10:15:14  <xorAxAx> http://code.google.com/p/google-highly-open-participation-moinmoin/issues/detail?id=114
2008-02-01T10:15:17  <xorAxAx> Comment #1 by cachelion:
2008-02-01T10:15:20  <xorAxAx> I claim this task
2008-02-01T10:15:22  <xorAxAx> LOL
2008-02-01T10:23:44  <ThomasWaldmann> let him do it
2008-02-01T10:23:49  <ThomasWaldmann> and fail him :D
2008-02-01T10:24:48  <kikka> Moin.
2008-02-01T13:00:41  <dreimark_> moin
2008-02-01T13:06:13  <ThomasWaldmann> hi dreimark_
2008-02-01T13:58:27  * cb22 claims 114
2008-02-01T13:58:51  <ThomasWaldmann> hehe
2008-02-01T14:12:55  <dreimark_> ThomasWaldmann: http://moinmo.in/MoinMoinBugs/FullSearchOnCategoryPage
2008-02-01T14:13:14  <dreimark_> what do we do here, should I add this patch
2008-02-01T14:14:27  <ThomasWaldmann> no
2008-02-01T14:15:57  <ThomasWaldmann> the problem is not that the macro needs to work like that on category pages. any page can be used like that.
2008-02-01T14:16:47  <ThomasWaldmann> the problem we see there is that in earlier moins, [[FS]] meant something different than [[FS()]]
2008-02-01T14:16:57  <ThomasWaldmann> (and that was insane)
2008-02-01T14:21:37  <dreimark_> ok, but then we have to fix that macro.
2008-02-01T14:23:27  <ThomasWaldmann> first define what the fix is :)
2008-02-01T14:23:51  <ThomasWaldmann> either it can render the form or it can search for self
2008-02-01T14:24:16  <ThomasWaldmann> I think rendering the form is cleaner
2008-02-01T14:24:39  <ThomasWaldmann> because self can be given explicitely
2008-02-01T14:24:50  <cb22> xorAxAx: LOL :P
2008-02-01T14:25:03  <ThomasWaldmann> so it is not a bug, but a feature :)
2008-02-01T14:25:47  <ThomasWaldmann> LOL2
2008-02-01T14:26:34  <dreimark_> yep, unfortunately we have now on many CategoryPages the form and not the result for serching self
2008-02-01T14:28:34  <ThomasWaldmann> one could try adding MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2008-02-01 to the categorytemplate page and check if it works for creating new cat pages
2008-02-01T14:28:38  <ThomasWaldmann> and fix all we have
2008-02-01T14:28:59  <ThomasWaldmann> and document that behaviour
2008-02-01T14:31:25  <dreimark_> has worked for http://moinmo.in/CategoryDiscussion
2008-02-01T14:32:25  <ThomasWaldmann> <eg>
2008-02-01T14:34:37  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark_: why did you remove CatCat?
2008-02-01T14:42:33  * xorAxAx updated 114
2008-02-01T14:55:44  <ThomasWaldmann> hehe
2008-02-01T14:55:59  <ThomasWaldmann> wait for the butterfly to clim it :)
2008-02-01T14:59:51  <dreimark_> ThomasWaldmann: noidea, that was not planned
2008-02-01T15:02:26  <dreimark_> hehe 114 is the only open task
2008-02-01T15:20:43  <ThomasWaldmann> weird stuff on MarkupProposals :)
2008-02-01T15:34:04  <ThomasWaldmann> Microsoft Bids $44.6 Billion For Yahoo
2008-02-01T15:38:04  <ThomasWaldmann> http://www.itnews.com.au/News/69265,google-summer-of-code-headed-down-under.aspx
2008-02-01T15:50:40  <ninnnu> ...M$ is going to buy my spambox? :(
2008-02-01T15:53:16  <ThomasWaldmann> some people on heiseticker already announced they will cancel their yahoo stuff it that comes true
2008-02-01T15:53:32  <TheSheep> :)
2008-02-01T15:54:32  <ThomasWaldmann> TheSheep: see that params hack :)
2008-02-01T15:57:12  * TheSheep adds it to todo
2008-02-01T15:57:33  * xorAxAx updated 114
2008-02-01T16:05:11  <dreimark_> htg bbl
2008-02-01T17:07:30  * cb22 updates it 1 minute after xorAxAx =)
2008-02-01T17:09:27  * kikka kichert böse. 
2008-02-01T17:09:47  * TheSheep ziewa przeciagle
2008-02-01T17:12:31  <kikka> Okay, we speak english!
2008-02-01T17:12:36  <kikka> Uht not´hamor!
2008-02-01T17:12:40  <kikka> we speak klingon!
2008-02-01T17:13:26  * cb22 speaks rot13
2008-02-01T17:13:46  <cb22> or rot26 =)
2008-02-01T17:13:48  <kikka> vpu avpug!
2008-02-01T17:14:31  <TheSheep> etlay'say eakspay igpay atinlay!
2008-02-01T17:19:17  <ThomasWaldmann> people seem really bored :)
2008-02-01T17:19:31  <ThomasWaldmann> hey, there are LOTS of coding tasks :)
2008-02-01T17:21:53  <kikka> oh, noes! coding!
2008-02-01T17:23:49  * TheSheep subscribes to all the 'theme' tasks from ghop all at once
2008-02-01T18:26:01  <JordanCronin> ThomasWaldmann: Why do the tables not always come out right when I'm previewing it, and sometimes they do? (MacroMarket page) I don't remember if it does that when not in edit mode. I'm running Ubuntu 7.10 - Firefox 2.0.0.11. Has anyone else experienced this?
2008-02-01T18:26:33  <ThomasWaldmann> haha, python 3.0 "news" on slashdot
2008-02-01T18:26:59  <ThomasWaldmann> JordanCronin: i recently also had a strange looking table
2008-02-01T18:27:15  <ThomasWaldmann> tried again later on another machine and it looked ok
2008-02-01T18:27:54  <JordanCronin> I'm thinking that Moin is not generating it correctly all of the time, and if you refresh, it changes - sometimes it looks fine
2008-02-01T18:42:41  <CIA-36> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 2531:9b668a28809e 1.6/ (3 files in 3 dirs): wiki parser: using the 'params' part of link/transclusion markup for spezifying URL querystring
2008-02-01T18:42:42  <CIA-36> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 2532:270a062d6de9 1.6/MoinMoin/ (3 files in 3 dirs): merged main
2008-02-01T20:35:10  * cb22 sighs, this is pathetic
2008-02-01T20:35:21  <cb22> there is no power in the whole of cape town
2008-02-01T20:35:31  <cb22> a city of 4 million
2008-02-01T20:43:41  <ThomasWaldmann> shit happens, even in Karlsruhe
2008-02-01T20:44:40  <xorAxAx> which has a bit fewer citizens
2008-02-01T20:46:40  <cb22> ThomasWaldmann: every week?
2008-02-01T20:47:07  <ThomasWaldmann> no, every years
2008-02-01T20:47:32  <JordanCronin> dreimark_: ThomasWaldmann said you would know about the EO*.py macros attached on the MacroMarket page. I'm trying to move all of the macros to subpages of their own.
2008-02-01T20:47:43  <cb22> see, we suck here :(
2008-02-01T20:48:50  <ThomasWaldmann> maybe a lion ate some cable :P
2008-02-01T20:52:27  <cb22> lol, more likely some idiot saw the 'turn all power off' button and decided to press it
2008-02-01T20:53:16  <ThomasWaldmann> "don't press this button"
2008-02-01T20:53:54  <ThomasWaldmann> you have a UPS?
2008-02-01T20:54:15  <ThomasWaldmann> diesel generator?
2008-02-01T20:54:39  <ThomasWaldmann> laptop with 6h battery runtime?
2008-02-01T20:54:52  <JordanCronin> Solar panels?
2008-02-01T20:55:06  <ThomasWaldmann> yeah, at night :D
2008-02-01T20:55:16  <JordanCronin> lol, a wind turbine!
2008-02-01T20:55:34  <JordanCronin> I bet it was a snake that killed your power :P
2008-02-01T20:55:39  <JordanCronin> http://www.shortnews.com/start.cfm?id=7734
2008-02-01T20:55:49  <ThomasWaldmann> a python :D
2008-02-01T20:56:01  <JordanCronin> lol
2008-02-01T20:57:07  <ThomasWaldmann> (the most POWERFUL python ever)
2008-02-01T20:58:50  <cb22> hehehe
2008-02-01T20:59:04  <cb22> i wish to all those various methods of backup power
2008-02-01T20:59:44  <cb22> unfortunatly just a phone with 3g, ssh and 0 percent battery left
2008-02-01T21:00:04  <JordanCronin> Pedal power!
2008-02-01T21:00:42  <ThomasWaldmann> cb22: you need a XO laptop and solar panels and a crank
2008-02-01T21:01:27  * ThomasWaldmann hopes mine will leave bay area tomorrow :)
2008-02-01T21:02:00  <JordanCronin> ThomasWaldmann, You ordered an XO ?
2008-02-01T21:02:05  <ThomasWaldmann> 2
2008-02-01T21:02:27  <JordanCronin> 2 for you?
2008-02-01T21:02:39  <ThomasWaldmann> for me and my sister
2008-02-01T21:02:41  <JordanCronin> vs paying for two with the G1G1
2008-02-01T21:02:43  <JordanCronin> k
2008-02-01T21:03:10  <JordanCronin> Snake power outages --> http://www.fort.usgs.gov/resources/education/bts/impacts/electrical.asp
2008-02-01T21:05:29  <ThomasWaldmann> server is out for lunch.....
2008-02-01T21:06:08  <JordanCronin> cb22: sounds like the folks on Guam have it worse than you (maybe).
2008-02-01T21:21:00  <johill> dreimark_: huh. your update to the forward ports patch arrived here as mail from May 23 2007
2008-02-01T21:21:04  <johill> ThomasWaldmann: wrong time on moinmo.in?
2008-02-01T21:21:33  <xorAxAx> johill: see headers :)
2008-02-01T21:22:09  <johill> weird
2008-02-01T21:22:12  <johill> what happened there?
2008-02-01T21:22:24  <johill> is that messed up on my end?
2008-02-01T21:22:55  * cb22 sighs, im using my nearly dead laptop to charge my phone =)
2008-02-01T21:23:07  <johill> the header looks... just totally f'ed up
2008-02-01T21:23:16  <johill> wonder what's going on there
2008-02-01T21:23:23  * johill suspects his crm114 update
2008-02-01T21:23:50  <johill> ahrg I know
2008-02-01T21:23:54  <johill> oh shit
2008-02-01T21:23:58  <cb22> ThomasWaldmann: you're getting an XO? lucky bugger. last i heard there were major supply issues
2008-02-01T21:29:39  <dreimark_> JordanCronin: sure that was th shortest name possible for EmbedObject
2008-02-01T21:30:00  <dreimark_> we decided later to use a more readable one
2008-02-01T21:30:54  <dreimark_> johill: what is the reason?
2008-02-01T21:32:42  <dreimark_>  /me takes the issue to update the CategoryTemplate ig noone disagrees ;)
2008-02-01T21:32:52  * dreimark_ 
2008-02-01T21:33:18  <johill> dreimark_: I messed up my filters and they started putting the whole message body into the header too
2008-02-01T21:33:34  <dreimark_> arrgh
2008-02-01T21:33:42  * JordanCronin guesses he'll move the EO*.py files to MacroMarket/EmbedObject
2008-02-01T21:33:54  <dreimark_> JordanCronin: :)
2008-02-01T21:34:04  <JordanCronin> :) ?
2008-02-01T21:34:28  <dreimark_> I like seeing you doing this
2008-02-01T21:34:50  <JordanCronin> great :)
2008-02-01T21:36:19  <JordanCronin> lol... I just looked at your WHOIS info and saw your real name (Just made the connection between your IRC name and you)... You written a lot of macros :)
2008-02-01T21:36:33  <JordanCronin> s/You/You've
2008-02-01T21:38:59  <dreimark_> I have learned a lot about MMs internals doing all these plugins. It is a good point to start.
2008-02-01T21:40:19  <johill> ahrg
2008-02-01T21:40:31  <johill> that mail filter screwup has messed up loads  of mails :/
2008-02-01T21:41:03  <dreimark_> omg
2008-02-01T21:41:16  <dreimark_> but I do wonder if one has expected this result http://master.moinmo.in/CategoryTemplate
2008-02-01T21:41:43  <dreimark_> too. result of <<FullSearchCached(MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2008-02-01)>>
2008-02-01T21:52:11  <JordanCronin> ThomasWaldmann: There are two attachment left under MacroMarket
2008-02-01T21:52:20  <JordanCronin> s/attachment/attachments
2008-02-01T21:52:52  <JordanCronin> I think the Thumbnail.zip is some part of the page that needs to stay there, am I correct?
2008-02-01T21:59:37  <JordanCronin> and the other attachment, "Slide.py" appears to be a JimClark's original Slide.py and slideshow.py slideshow macro/action that are both on his User page. I don't believe it needs to be on MacroMarket anymore, because there are newer versions of it (that don't require a macro, just needs an action).
2008-02-01T22:00:25  <JordanCronin> So I am planning on deleting it from the MacroMarket page (it will still be on JimClark's home page)
2008-02-01T22:00:33  <JordanCronin> Does that ok?
2008-02-01T22:01:01  <JordanCronin> ThomasWaldmann: *Does that sound ok?
2008-02-01T22:01:03  <dreimark_> is it the same as on Jim's homepage?
2008-02-01T22:01:15  <JordanCronin> I'll double check - run a diff
2008-02-01T22:01:25  <JordanCronin> but I'm almost positive it is
2008-02-01T22:01:31  <dreimark_> do you have created an OldMacros page ?
2008-02-01T22:01:52  <JordanCronin> There are subsections for 1.0, and 1.1
2008-02-01T22:02:12  <JordanCronin> I guess I could check and see if he has it listed in the subsections...
2008-02-01T22:02:20  <dreimark_> ok
2008-02-01T22:03:29  <JordanCronin> Not listed
2008-02-01T22:03:46  * JordanCronin goes to do a diff
2008-02-01T22:05:43  <JordanCronin> they are a tad bit different
2008-02-01T22:07:54  <JordanCronin> I think the code is the same though...
2008-02-01T22:07:55  <JordanCronin> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/25142/
2008-02-01T22:08:11  <JordanCronin> I haven't completely gotten the hang of using diff yet
2008-02-01T22:09:13  <dreimark_> -#format PYTHON was added to get it formatted by the python parser
2008-02-01T22:09:58  <JordanCronin> the python parser is a MoinMoin feature?
2008-02-01T22:10:49  <dreimark_> yes
2008-02-01T22:10:52  <JordanCronin> So other than that, they are the same?
2008-02-01T22:10:57  <dreimark_> right
2008-02-01T22:11:06  <JordanCronin> Ok
2008-02-01T22:11:13  <dreimark_> you do get it called if you view a source from the attachment page
2008-02-01T22:11:42  <JordanCronin> I see. So I can delete the attachment on MacroMarket then?
2008-02-01T22:12:07  <dreimark_> one momemnet
2008-02-01T22:12:22  <dreimark_> moment
2008-02-01T22:13:30  <dreimark_> ok
2008-02-01T22:17:47  <JordanCronin> I can delete it now?
2008-02-01T22:20:44  <dreimark_> yes
2008-02-01T22:43:39  <dreimark_> ThomasWaldmann: seems I can't easily change non english CategoyTemplate pages
2008-02-01T22:54:20  <dreimark_> gn
2008-02-01T22:57:52  <kikka> gn dreimark_