MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2008-02-06

2008-02-06T09:17:53  <dreimark> moin
2008-02-06T09:18:28  <ThomasWaldmann> moin
2008-02-06T14:06:05  <kikka> Huhu!
2008-02-06T17:05:18  <johill> is anybody working on real password reset?
2008-02-06T17:05:28  <johill> (rather than accepting the hashed password)
2008-02-06T17:06:15  <ThomasWaldman2> no
2008-02-06T17:06:52  <johill> ok, I think I'll do that then
2008-02-06T17:07:08  <johill> also email verification would be good
2008-02-06T17:07:37  <ThomasWaldman2> yes, but remember some wikis might not have mail enabled
2008-02-06T17:08:11  <johill> yeah but those don't need email verification either since they can't send mail
2008-02-06T17:08:33  <johill> (although I'm contemplating what happens when you later enable email in an existing wiki)
2008-02-06T17:10:40  <johill> hm
2008-02-06T17:10:44  <johill> how should email changes be verified?
2008-02-06T17:10:55  <johill> obviously verify the new address
2008-02-06T17:11:29  <johill> but I guess we should ask for the password before allowing an email change so that if you stay logged on nobody can change your email
2008-02-06T17:13:11  <ThomasWaldman2> would be safer, yes. not sure if it does not count as 'users problem', though.
2008-02-06T17:13:46  <johill> you could, but I think the audience we're catering for wouldn't be aware of such attacks
2008-02-06T17:16:07  <starshine> hrm. chicken and egg problem.  will have to consider it from the punk and victims standpoints.  I know lots of weird usage scenarios and people who really do forget their passwords.
2008-02-06T17:16:26  <starshine> ordinary case of lose an email account is the accoutn belongs to work and they leave
2008-02-06T17:16:45  <starshine> ordinary case of lost password is they didnt do edit for 2 weeks and now they have no idea what it is
2008-02-06T17:16:50  <johill> yeah, you're stuck if you know neither your password nor have access to the address any more
2008-02-06T17:17:22  <johill> unless you're still logged in and I don't make it require the password for email change...
2008-02-06T17:17:37  <dreimark> johill: for email verification is already a patch on MM
2008-02-06T17:18:01  <johill> yeah, but it won't apply to 1.7 ;)
2008-02-06T17:19:59  <starshine> so the obvious loss case that generates both is, you don't spend any time on the wiki because you're in the haze of leaving a job, and only afterwards do you remember, the mail goes to there which doesn't work any more. ouch
2008-02-06T17:20:49  <starshine> such circumstances will always need the admin's attention, the way a damaged ATM card needs a real bank teller to verify you.
2008-02-06T17:20:59  * starshine off to work now
2008-02-06T17:21:15  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldman2, dreimark: when should we have the conference?
2008-02-06T17:21:39  <xorAxAx> i suggest the regular phone network, i offer to initiate the calls
2008-02-06T17:24:07  <ThomasWaldman2> i am available until 18:45
2008-02-06T17:26:38  <xorAxAx> otherwise we could use a wikipage
2008-02-06T17:36:43  <xorAxAx> ok, i updated the wiki page
2008-02-06T17:38:12  <xorAxAx> dreimark: what do you think?
2008-02-06T17:38:20  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldman2: do we really need a confcall?
2008-02-06T17:43:41  <ThomasWaldman2> xorAxAx: yes, those 3 are in the final round :)
2008-02-06T17:46:38  <xorAxAx> ok, adding my recommmendation to the page
2008-02-06T17:51:47  <ThomasWaldman2> xorAxAx: did you already do your weighted eval? :)
2008-02-06T17:57:33  <xorAxAx> yes
2008-02-06T18:12:38  <ThomasWaldmann> hmm, connectivity here sucks today
2008-02-06T18:12:43  * ThomasWaldmann saved
2008-02-06T18:16:51  <ThomasWaldmann> btw, the per-org-evaluation of students (as mandated by the rules) could be unfair in cases where students spread their work over many orgs
2008-02-06T18:18:05  <xorAxAx> yes, thats why e.g. translators wont really win in this game
2008-02-06T18:19:21  <ThomasWaldmann> if they only do translations, yes, then they have to spread
2008-02-06T18:22:29  * ThomasWaldmann .oO(XO is bad for productivity :)
2008-02-06T18:22:45  <TheSheep> hehe
2008-02-06T18:23:08  <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: did you get it to connect?
2008-02-06T18:23:41  <ThomasWaldmann> killall Networkmanager, iwconfig, dhclient and it works with WEP
2008-02-06T18:23:56  <ThomasWaldmann> have to try wpa later today
2008-02-06T18:24:08  <TheSheep> hah
2008-02-06T18:24:53  <ThomasWaldmann> the strange thing is they have a nice gui for entering wep key, but it doesnt work, no matter how often you enter it
2008-02-06T18:25:46  <TheSheep> must be frustrating
2008-02-06T18:26:25  <ThomasWaldmann> at least they show the wep key while you type. and you don't have to enter it twice for one try. :P
2008-02-06T18:27:12  <TheSheep> I need to install the sugar pygame wrapper and get my hands on those svg sprites one day
2008-02-06T18:51:56  <dreimark> bb
2008-02-06T18:53:04  * dreimark reads 
2008-02-06T18:54:11  <dreimark> xorAxAx: regular phone network (telekom ?)
2008-02-06T19:01:49  <dreimark> edits currently sorry was trapped by an external vga problem
2008-02-06T19:02:26  * dreimark updates the page
2008-02-06T20:51:09  <dreimark> the results list function of ghop is broken, issue 43 is closed too
2008-02-06T20:53:17  * dreimark bbl going home
2008-02-06T21:06:59  <kikka> ThomasWaldman2, how do you got your olpc? via g1g1, but how do you handle shipping to .de?
2008-02-06T21:32:56  <dreimark> kikka: a friend was helping
2008-02-06T21:42:30  <kikka> Ah, okay.
2008-02-06T21:42:32  <kikka> *sigh*
2008-02-06T22:28:49  <dreimark> gn
2008-02-06T22:31:44  <ernestas> gn dreimark
2008-02-06T22:43:54  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldman2: should i send the mail to leslie?
2008-02-06T23:06:32  * ernestas feels tired (by all means)... gn