MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2008-03-03

2008-03-03T02:03:02  <CIA-38> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 3175:2a3a6cb34e45 1.7/ (35 files in 16 dirs): pylint findings: fix some harmless stuff
2008-03-03T02:03:34  <TheSheep> omg
2008-03-03T02:06:20  <ThomasWaldmann> the harmful stuff is still coming :P
2008-03-03T02:38:17  <CIA-38> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 3176:b24235ec504f 1.7/MoinMoin/_tests/_test_template.py: fix test template
2008-03-03T02:38:17  <CIA-38> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 3177:a7bf8ff3f517 1.7/MoinMoin/macro/__init__.py: fix language macros
2008-03-03T02:38:17  <CIA-38> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 3178:948aac85d4d3 1.7/MoinMoin/action/newpage.py: newpage action: fix error handler
2008-03-03T02:38:17  <CIA-38> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 3179:d2352196da6a 1.7/MoinMoin/action/recoverpass.py: recoverpass action: fix AttributeError
2008-03-03T02:38:17  <CIA-38> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 3180:6ad1f133b66d 1.7/MoinMoin/action/AttachFile.py: AttachFile action: fix AttributeError
2008-03-03T02:38:17  <CIA-38> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 3181:8d465b643237 1.7/MoinMoin/action/DeletePage.py: DeletePage action: fix AttributeError
2008-03-03T09:31:13  <ThomasWaldmann> moin
2008-03-03T13:32:16  <dreimark> moin
2008-03-03T13:56:14  <ThomasWaldmann> hi dreimark
2008-03-03T14:27:02  <johill> AttributeError: DocBookOutputFormatter instance has no attribute 'domHeadNode'
2008-03-03T14:32:07  <johill> any clues?
2008-03-03T14:32:09  <johill> just found in my log
2008-03-03T15:14:32  <johill> dreimark: did something recently change in the paser?
2008-03-03T15:14:34  <johill> parser?
2008-03-03T15:14:47  <johill> on http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43 it doesn't do proper {{{ stuff in all cases
2008-03-03T15:17:14  <johill> dreimark: I changed the page now, so view revision 76. http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43?action=recall&rev=76
2008-03-03T15:18:46  <xorAxAx> looks like my next months will be the busiest in my life :)
2008-03-03T15:19:51  <xorAxAx> so i guess i will concentrate on aiming at (bi-)weekly meetings with my student
2008-03-03T15:20:03  <xorAxAx> in ghop 08 if we will be accepted
2008-03-03T15:23:40  <kikka> Heya!
2008-03-03T15:25:11  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: is there some work left for the application? have you submitted the application already?
2008-03-03T15:25:16  <xorAxAx> hi kikka
2008-03-03T15:25:39  <kikka> Huhu xorAxAx! :)
2008-03-03T15:25:45  <xorAxAx> how is school? :)
2008-03-03T15:26:37  <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: not afaik and no, not yet
2008-03-03T15:27:04  <xorAxAx> hmm, code.google.com is pretty busy
2008-03-03T15:27:14  <xorAxAx> 500 every other request
2008-03-03T15:27:56  <ThomasWaldmann> johill: that was a change necessary because of the new nesting stuff
2008-03-03T15:28:03  <xorAxAx> ah, 19:00 utc, i.e. 20:00 CET
2008-03-03T15:28:08  <johill> ThomasWaldmann: ok
2008-03-03T15:28:09  <xorAxAx> so 4.5 hours to wait
2008-03-03T15:30:15  <kikka> xorAxAx: As ever, quite complicated. Well, it's my first year, and I think I'll master it. But at the moment I'm a little bit nervous because we wrote 4 tests and don't get them back. French and physics, quite difficult.
2008-03-03T15:30:41  <xorAxAx> kikka: first year of what? did you change the school?
2008-03-03T15:31:49  <kikka> xorAxAx: Indeed. From a waldorf-school to a gymnasium (?).
2008-03-03T15:32:23  <xorAxAx> at my university, they always write exams in the gymnasium :-)
2008-03-03T15:32:46  <xorAxAx> kikka: ah, well, certainly different kind of paradigms, there
2008-03-03T15:32:56  <ThomasWaldmann> heh, 500 500 500 ...
2008-03-03T15:33:20  <xorAxAx> still better than timing out
2008-03-03T15:33:33  <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: what is at 20:00?
2008-03-03T15:33:54  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: then they will enable the org registration form i presume
2008-03-03T15:34:02  <ThomasWaldmann> ah
2008-03-03T15:34:53  <kikka> xorAxAx: yeah. But I'm really bad in french. The others are OK. (Not good, but OK, at the moment). Today I wrote a german test, and I'm really insecure of it. :-/
2008-03-03T15:37:11  <ThomasWaldmann> so you exploited it? :D
2008-03-03T15:40:19  <kikka> ey!
2008-03-03T15:41:43  <dreimark> johill: that behaviour is documented in 1.6 already
2008-03-03T15:41:48  <ThomasWaldmann> kikka: you could search some french moin users to get some practical training :)
2008-03-03T15:42:51  <kikka> ThomasWaldmann: Why? They exploited moin?
2008-03-03T15:43:49  <ThomasWaldmann> for your french :)
2008-03-03T15:44:17  <ThomasWaldmann> too bad that moin has a rather negative touch for french people ...
2008-03-03T15:45:24  <kikka> Why? Why?
2008-03-03T15:45:32  <kikka> moine is a moench.
2008-03-03T15:47:28  <ThomasWaldmann> "moins" means "least"
2008-03-03T15:47:49  <kikka> Jepp.
2008-03-03T15:48:05  <kikka> But it's "MoinMoin" not "MoinsMoins" :-)
2008-03-03T15:49:30  <xorAxAx> and a french person rather thinks of moins instead of moine when seeing moin because of the pronounciation (the s is not pronounced). also moins means "less"
2008-03-03T15:50:47  <ThomasWaldmann> so it is less than less, practically nothing
2008-03-03T15:54:27  <kikka> yep
2008-03-03T15:57:34  <dreimark> less than less installation work :)
2008-03-03T16:01:27  <johill> dreimark: heh ok
2008-03-03T16:03:35  <dreimark> I haven't seen ThomasWaldmann has resplied already
2008-03-03T17:45:17  <dreimark> hmm what should I do with the python image module or are there alternatives
2008-03-03T17:45:33  <dreimark> I do need resize and rotate
2008-03-03T17:50:27  <ThomasWaldmann> sounds like PIL
2008-03-03T17:57:46  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: if i do add the image parser is it ok if it does require PIL ?
2008-03-03T17:58:15  <johill> it should probably catch the import error and show an error message
2008-03-03T18:01:37  <dreimark> later on we do need a preview (image) for other objects too. e.g. showing an image of te cover of the book is quite faster as embedding the whole book
2008-03-03T18:03:11  <dreimark> or a preview for a movie. I do think later on the parser should be extended to all items we support
2008-03-03T18:04:31  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: if the code can do something making sense without PIL, it should do so and optionally offer more when PIL is available
2008-03-03T18:06:04  <dreimark> ok
2008-03-03T18:14:56  <dreimark> I think I do want to hide all these tmp files from the normal view of the attachments
2008-03-03T18:15:58  <dreimark> is suppressing files starting with a prefix sign a good idea?
2008-03-03T18:16:36  <dreimark> or should they be saved in an alternative "attachments" dir
2008-03-03T18:17:26  <ThomasWaldmann> we have caching for non-authoritative stuff
2008-03-03T18:18:31  <johill> but cache files can't be served through attachfile
2008-03-03T18:18:44  <ThomasWaldmann> yeah
2008-03-03T18:18:55  <johill> I'd love to have a way to serve 'save' attachments directly
2008-03-03T18:18:59  <ThomasWaldmann> and AttachFile will be gone midterm anyway
2008-03-03T18:18:59  <johill> s/save/safe/
2008-03-03T18:19:04  <johill> i.e. files that moin created
2008-03-03T18:19:49  <ThomasWaldmann> how did that latex stuff do it?
2008-03-03T18:20:08  <ThomasWaldmann> johill: http://www.getdigital.de/products/Wifi_Shirt/lng/1/her/n22
2008-03-03T18:20:42  <johill> ThomasWaldmann: latex just adds attachments
2008-03-03T18:20:56  <ThomasWaldmann> http://www.getdigital.de/products/scheiss_encoding/lng/1/her/n22 < LOL
2008-03-03T18:21:00  <johill> fun
2008-03-03T18:22:16  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: also please consider that attachments will be subitems in future
2008-03-03T18:24:37  <johill> how do we want to handle scaled versions then?
2008-03-03T18:24:49  <ThomasWaldmann> (and having lots of tmp subitems is even less wanted than lots of tmp attachments)
2008-03-03T18:25:21  <johill> maybe we should have a cache of files that can be served?
2008-03-03T18:25:39  <johill> so you can configure it to serve them statically
2008-03-03T18:25:50  <johill> which you don't want to do with arbitrary attachments
2008-03-03T18:25:55  <ThomasWaldmann> johill: there could be a special show action for image/* offering some nice stuff on the UI
2008-03-03T18:26:37  <ThomasWaldmann> (and maybe also caring about serving the preview)
2008-03-03T18:27:20  <johill> yeah but you don't want to allow arbitrary resizing either
2008-03-03T18:27:26  <johill> then users could fill the cache
2008-03-03T18:27:43  <ThomasWaldmann> doing that new interface is among the SOC ideas
2008-03-03T18:27:54  <johill> yup I know
2008-03-03T18:29:22  <dreimark> ok, but for now the simplest solution is to suppress them, or isn't it?
2008-03-03T18:29:48  <johill> that doesn't allow serving them directly
2008-03-03T18:29:53  <johill> it is simple but still :)
2008-03-03T18:30:12  <johill> even such a show action could serve such a temp file
2008-03-03T18:30:29  <dreimark> AttachList should not list them
2008-03-03T18:30:50  <dreimark> right
2008-03-03T18:31:00  <johill> I tend to think they shouldn't even be attached to such a page directly
2008-03-03T18:31:00  <dreimark> does not serve directly
2008-03-03T18:31:18  <ThomasWaldmann> btw, is there some pressing need to do that now?
2008-03-03T18:31:23  <johill> no
2008-03-03T18:31:25  <dreimark> no
2008-03-03T18:31:30  <johill> I just asked for gallery stuff to be integrated into moin :)
2008-03-03T18:31:53  <ThomasWaldmann> i would like to not make AttachFile even more complex than it is
2008-03-03T18:32:15  <ThomasWaldmann> it was enough pain to refactor it and I am not finished yet
2008-03-03T18:32:42  <ThomasWaldmann> the twikidraw hack will give us some problems when going to items
2008-03-03T18:33:00  <dreimark> ok, then we stay with tmp files there until we are ready
2008-03-03T18:33:09  <ThomasWaldmann> and the more "special" stuff done there, the more painful the migration will be
2008-03-03T18:34:36  <xorAxAx> johill: is the main goal a repo?
2008-03-03T18:36:15  <ThomasWaldmann> btw, related to twikidraw: there is a suggestion to replace it. I am not sure we can do that. Although I could personally live well without it, I have no idea if some wikis out there have data depending on it.
2008-03-03T18:36:48  <johill> xorAxAx: main goal of what?
2008-03-03T18:37:08  <xorAxAx> 18:31:30 < johill> I just asked for gallery stuff to be integrated into moin :)
2008-03-03T18:37:24  <xorAxAx> because it doesnt have one, does it?
2008-03-03T18:38:05  <johill> oh
2008-03-03T18:38:18  <johill> well that's one of the goals I guess, but I think it'd also be nice to ship it
2008-03-03T18:39:38  <xorAxAx> i think having a repo is a sensible subgoal
2008-03-03T18:39:54  <xorAxAx> moving it to the dist can be done as soon as certain things are ironed out :)
2008-03-03T18:40:14  <johill> true
2008-03-03T18:41:31  <dreimark> bbl
2008-03-03T18:44:02  <grzywacz> moin
2008-03-03T18:44:56  <xorAxAx> moin karol
2008-03-03T18:45:39  <grzywacz> hej xorAxAx
2008-03-03T18:49:56  <ThomasWaldmann> http://moinmo.in/TwikiDrawPoll
2008-03-03T18:52:50  <ThomasWaldmann> hey, a complete macedonian translation
2008-03-03T19:12:54  * ThomasWaldmann LOLs about that win32 code. A single line for posix, 25 lines for win32...
2008-03-03T19:24:07  <waldi> typical
2008-03-03T19:32:42  * kikka <3 his n770
2008-03-03T19:36:54  <ThomasWaldmann> brb
2008-03-03T20:51:00  <xorAxAx> hmm, org application forms will be available soon, seem to be delayed
2008-03-03T21:23:24  <xorAxAx> now its available
2008-03-03T22:19:16  <dreimark> bb
2008-03-03T22:22:14  <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: are currently submitting the data or shall I do now?
2008-03-03T22:22:44  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: i was waiting for you because you are the primary admin :)
2008-03-03T22:23:41  <ThomasWaldmann> ok, I am here now :)
2008-03-03T22:27:49  <xorAxAx> so you may fill it out now :)
2008-03-03T22:27:58  <xorAxAx> if you want to be primary admin :)
2008-03-03T22:28:52  <ThomasWaldmann> ok, just wanted to make sure they dont get 2 :)
2008-03-03T22:30:42  <xorAxAx> everybody of us may create 5, might increase the chance of getting through^W^Wannoying the people
2008-03-03T22:40:57  <ThomasWaldmann> There was an error in your form, please try again
2008-03-03T22:41:08  <xorAxAx> very detailed and helpful :-)
2008-03-03T22:41:18  <xorAxAx> #gsoc kinda provides support
2008-03-03T22:42:10  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: we do have a russian spammer on MM
2008-03-03T22:59:49  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: what's your google account address?
2008-03-03T23:00:59  <ThomasWaldmann> Invalid Google Account Email address rb.proj@googlemail.com
2008-03-03T23:01:21  <dreimark> rb.proj@googlemail.com
2008-03-03T23:01:32  <xorAxAx> fun
2008-03-03T23:01:36  <johill> heh
2008-03-03T23:02:18  <dreimark> that account works, I got all the gsoc mails
2008-03-03T23:02:48  <xorAxAx> it had been rejecting my google account lately as well
2008-03-03T23:02:56  <xorAxAx> when leslie tried to get me onto the ghop list
2008-03-03T23:03:09  <xorAxAx> we resorted to using my gmail account
2008-03-03T23:03:19  <xorAxAx> but rb.proj@googlemail.com looks like a gmail one %-)
2008-03-03T23:03:42  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann:  mail_ address.strip()
2008-03-03T23:07:43  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: i used @gmail.com and it worked with that
2008-03-03T23:07:54  <ThomasWaldmann> (or at least it accepted it)
2008-03-03T23:08:08  <dreimark> seen it on #gsoc too. but it is strange
2008-03-03T23:09:28  <xorAxAx> its software written by internees :-)
2008-03-03T23:58:41  <dreimark> gn