MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2008-05-20

2008-05-20T00:36:55  <gizmach> moin
2008-05-20T00:43:42  <ThomasWaldmann> hi gizmach
2008-05-20T00:44:25  <gizmach> ThomasWaldmann: hi :) I just installed moin again all new and I will try now if it works
2008-05-20T00:44:50  <gizmach> I switched to night programming-daily learning schedule
2008-05-20T00:48:53  <ThomasWaldmann> gizmach: "installed" means using setup.py?
2008-05-20T00:49:15  <gizmach> yes and commited new code
2008-05-20T00:49:47  <ThomasWaldmann> how about not installing and just running it from repo workdir? :)
2008-05-20T00:53:20  <gizmach> just doing that
2008-05-20T00:54:04  <gizmach> brb
2008-05-20T00:56:25  <gizmach> back
2008-05-20T01:05:13  <ThomasWaldmann> gizmach: and, does your moin talk with your ldap?
2008-05-20T01:05:25  <gizmach> no
2008-05-20T01:05:27  <gizmach> :(
2008-05-20T01:06:56  <ThomasWaldmann> why not? :)
2008-05-20T01:09:11  <gizmach> well at this point I dono
2008-05-20T01:09:19  <gizmach> but I'm going to find out
2008-05-20T01:09:47  <ThomasWaldmann> btw, eclipse/pydev has a nice debugger
2008-05-20T01:11:22  * gizmach looks at it
2008-05-20T01:11:52  <vpv> johill: I think so...
2008-05-20T01:21:08  <gizmach> damit the storm is comming
2008-05-20T01:25:35  <ThomasWaldmann> famous last words :P
2008-05-20T01:34:37  <gizmach> ThomasWaldmann: :))
2008-05-20T01:41:17  <ThomasWaldmann> gizmach: are you getting any log output from MoinMoin.auth.ldap_login?
2008-05-20T01:42:03  <gizmach> no I'm just trying to got some output
2008-05-20T01:42:51  <ThomasWaldmann> i have a clean hg workdir here
2008-05-20T01:43:39  <ThomasWaldmann> i just added the ldap snippet to wikiconfig_local.py, started wikiserver.py and immediately got ldap errors
2008-05-20T01:43:58  <ThomasWaldmann> (because i don't have a ldap server running here)
2008-05-20T01:49:05  <gizmach> ThomasWaldmann: could you please send me your wikiconfig_local.py
2008-05-20T01:55:47  <ThomasWaldmann> mail addr?
2008-05-20T01:56:46  <gizmach> melita.mihaljevic at gmail
2008-05-20T01:57:36  <ThomasWaldmann> sent
2008-05-20T01:57:43  <gizmach> got it
2008-05-20T01:57:48  <gizmach> :) lets see
2008-05-20T01:58:13  <ThomasWaldmann> except the few lines at the top it is 1:1 the snippet
2008-05-20T02:04:14  <gizmach> :) I see and it's working, (I got the dn syntax exception :)) )
2008-05-20T02:04:30  <gizmach> thx
2008-05-20T02:04:42  <gizmach> but I really need to see what was my problem
2008-05-20T02:09:05  <ThomasWaldmann> yeah, tell me if you found out
2008-05-20T02:11:50  <gizmach> I feel like a mooron
2008-05-20T02:15:25  <ThomasWaldmann> you edited wrong config?
2008-05-20T02:21:41  <gizmach> no, just put yours on the right place and remove superuser
2008-05-20T02:24:49  <ThomasWaldmann> ?
2008-05-20T02:25:42  <ThomasWaldmann> i mean why didn't it work before?
2008-05-20T02:31:31  <gizmach> I dono I've sent you before basically the same configuration file
2008-05-20T02:52:39  <gizmach> 2008-05-20 02:52:06,126 DEBUG MoinMoin.auth.ldap_login:146 Connected to LDAP server 'ldap://localhost'.
2008-05-20T02:52:39  <gizmach> 2008-05-20 02:52:06,128 DEBUG MoinMoin.auth.ldap_login:161 Bound with binddn 'cn=admin,dc=nodomain'
2008-05-20T02:52:39  <gizmach> 2008-05-20 02:52:06,128 DEBUG MoinMoin.auth.ldap_login:165 Searching u'(uid=foo)'
2008-05-20T02:52:39  <gizmach> 2008-05-20 02:52:06,129 DEBUG MoinMoin.auth.ldap_login:184 Search found no matches for u'(uid=foo)'
2008-05-20T02:52:58  <gizmach> ok that wasn't smart
2008-05-20T02:53:01  <gizmach> :D
2008-05-20T02:57:55  <CIA-49> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 3625:ef3cbfb74b2e 1.7/docs/CHANGES: improve upgrading hints for the SecurityPolicy imports
2008-05-20T02:59:04  <CIA-49> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 2651:0202763f382f 1.6/docs/CHANGES: improve upgrading hints for the SecurityPolicy imports
2008-05-20T03:00:18  * ThomasWaldmann likes the new logging :)
2008-05-20T03:02:28  <gizmach> ThomasWaldmann: well me to :)
2008-05-20T03:42:25  <CIA-49> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 3626:a4e5eed662e1 1.7/MoinMoin/config/multiconfig.py: better handling of ImportErrors within farmconfig (before this fix, it just switched to wikiconfig in that case and confused users with errors about wikiconfig not found...)
2008-05-20T08:46:15  <ThomasWaldmann> moin
2008-05-20T09:29:27  <dreimark> moin
2008-05-20T11:10:08  <johill> aha wow
2008-05-20T11:10:28  <johill> the 'new user cretaed' mail is sent out in the new user's language rather than mine
2008-05-20T11:16:33  <TheSheep> you get to know the users better this way ;)
2008-05-20T11:17:14  <johill> heh
2008-05-20T11:20:59  <johill> hmm
2008-05-20T11:21:17  <johill> I'll have to file a bug, it is not obvious at a first glance how to fix it
2008-05-20T12:52:09  <dreimark> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/advocacy/2008-May/000587.html
2008-05-20T13:04:25  <dennda> zenhase: My guess was correct :)
2008-05-20T14:01:50  <zenhase> dennda: i knew :)
2008-05-20T14:02:00  <zenhase> dennda: but i didn't want to spoil it in advance
2008-05-20T14:02:56  <dennda> zenhase: did you already take a closer look at it?
2008-05-20T14:30:23  <johill> can we please please please have a way to ship only system and not help pages in the billion languages we support?
2008-05-20T14:30:38  <zenhase> dennda: jein
2008-05-20T14:31:00  <johill> and make help pages downloadable separately if people want them
2008-05-20T14:31:10  <zenhase> dennda: i skimmed through the pages and looked at the toc, get an impression who writes for the book
2008-05-20T14:31:19  <johill> it's such a huge mess
2008-05-20T14:31:23  <zenhase> dennda: and i read some amazon-reviews
2008-05-20T14:33:49  <dennda> zenhase: I did the same
2008-05-20T14:45:30  <kikka_> Moin
2008-05-20T14:45:54  <dreimark> johill: we have them in packages file and only en is on default unpacked.
2008-05-20T14:46:34  <johill> how does it separate them?
2008-05-20T14:46:48  <johill> I haven't found a way yet to do that easily, and I absolutely do not want to use moin's install system
2008-05-20T14:49:23  <dreimark> http://moinmo.in/MoinDev/HowToRelease
2008-05-20T14:49:57  <johill> that doesn't really answer my question?
2008-05-20T14:49:59  <dreimark> make underlay pagepacks is a subcommand of the moin command
2008-05-20T14:50:17  <johill> ah
2008-05-20T14:51:10  <johill> yay, of course that only works on master
2008-05-20T14:51:21  <johill> invalid solution ;)
2008-05-20T14:52:34  <dreimark> hmm, you can kill the underlay and unpack it from the rc1
2008-05-20T14:52:49  <dreimark> then you should have all other langs in zip packages
2008-05-20T14:52:53  <dreimark> and only en
2008-05-20T14:53:27  <johill> but I want the other language system pages
2008-05-20T14:53:43  <dreimark> I think they are always there
2008-05-20T14:53:51  <johill> just not the stupid help pages everywhere (imho on most public wikis people should go to moinmo.in for help)
2008-05-20T14:54:16  <ThomasWaldmann> johill: going to moinmo.in is no solution (neither is master)
2008-05-20T14:54:46  <ThomasWaldmann> because there are a lot of different moin versions out there and they would likely find information not matching their wiki
2008-05-20T14:55:06  <johill> well yes I realise that it can be a different version, but even so, I could host a help wiki for the precise version, I just don't want to have it in all wikis
2008-05-20T14:55:38  <dreimark> more than one underlay
2008-05-20T14:55:42  <ThomasWaldmann> you can provide code for having help and system pages packaged separately
2008-05-20T14:55:52  <dreimark> bbl
2008-05-20T14:55:59  <ThomasWaldmann> (even the english help could maybe be optional then)
2008-05-20T14:56:10  <johill> sure
2008-05-20T14:56:26  <johill> ThomasWaldmann: I don't *know* how to even distinguish help and system pages
2008-05-20T14:56:30  <ThomasWaldmann> problem is, even if we have code that does this, we need data from all language maintainers
2008-05-20T14:57:09  <ThomasWaldmann> yes, that would be new and would require all maintainers working on new page lists
2008-05-20T14:57:47  <ThomasWaldmann> when I look at the state of translation on moinmaster, that is nothing that will happen short term. even many i18n files are rather badly maintained.
2008-05-20T14:58:02  <johill> yeah
2008-05-20T14:58:14  <johill> we should kick them out of the main moin project and make it easy to maintain them outside
2008-05-20T14:58:17  <ThomasWaldmann> so I guess you would have to think of something that can be used OPTIONALLY
2008-05-20T14:59:00  <ThomasWaldmann> we could then begin doing it for en and de and translators can follow (or not).
2008-05-20T14:59:16  <johill> and i18n files being badly maintained is mostly our own fault, even I haven't fully understood how to translate things
2008-05-20T14:59:37  <ThomasWaldmann> you click on edit, translate and save :O
2008-05-20T15:00:00  <johill> yeah but then try getting it back into the wiki
2008-05-20T15:00:11  <ThomasWaldmann> you don't need to do that
2008-05-20T15:00:30  <johill> of course, you want to test things in place
2008-05-20T15:01:21  <ThomasWaldmann> even that can be done online (a bit later, after stuff has been updated by me)
2008-05-20T15:02:04  <johill> but why can it not be easier?
2008-05-20T15:03:36  <johill> besides, editing po files by hand is error prone and tedious
2008-05-20T15:04:50  <ThomasWaldmann> making it different requires much work
2008-05-20T15:04:50  <johill> all this just serves to raise the entry barrier. no non-techie would ever dream of doing that
2008-05-20T15:05:08  <johill> not really, there are enough po file editors out there
2008-05-20T15:05:39  <ThomasWaldmann> having people work offline only raises other problems
2008-05-20T15:05:58  <johill> like those are likely to happen with maybe three people doing translations
2008-05-20T15:08:00  <johill> we could even succumb to the temptation and use translations.launchpad.net
2008-05-20T15:10:41  <ThomasWaldmann> if that doesn't couple our efforts to what ubuntu puts into its distribution, we could maybe ;)
2008-05-20T15:11:00  <johill> no idea, but I wouldn't think so
2008-05-20T15:11:29  <ThomasWaldmann> otoh, we have so much changes soon, changing how the translation stuff works is rather low on my prio list
2008-05-20T15:13:04  <ThomasWaldmann> btw, there is Load/Save action on the MoinI18n/xx pages, it can be used to work offline
2008-05-20T15:15:47  <johill> true
2008-05-20T15:17:40  <johill> maybe we should somehow make system pages be in the po files, that would probably help get them translated quicker too
2008-05-20T15:17:58  <johill> since right now, I suspect people do the po file and then are overwhelmed by the hugeness of translating all the help
2008-05-20T15:21:42  <ThomasWaldmann> see MoinDev/Translation. priorities are documented there as 1. po 2. sys pages 3. help pages
2008-05-20T18:01:33  <mitsuhiko> dammit. stupid bouncer
2008-05-20T18:05:52  <ThomasWaldmann> you finally cloned yourself? :D
2008-05-20T18:28:55  <CIA-49> Johannes Berg <johannes AT sipsolutions DOT net> default * 3627:5c0b94be4909 1.7/MoinMoin/formatter/__init__.py: raise ImportError from macros just as though they were other errors
2008-05-20T18:33:26  <ThomasWaldmann> .find ?
2008-05-20T18:34:09  <johill> what else?
2008-05-20T18:34:25  <ThomasWaldmann> if name not in errmsg:
2008-05-20T18:34:42  <ThomasWaldmann> reads much better :)
2008-05-20T18:34:47  <johill> oh, I htought that would treat errmsg as a sequence of characters
2008-05-20T18:36:20  <CIA-49> Johannes Berg <johannes AT sipsolutions DOT net> default * 3628:7f1e4cac0f89 1.7/MoinMoin/formatter/__init__.py: fix up 5c0b94be4909 and use 'in' instead of .find
2008-05-20T19:21:41  <dreimark> how many browsers do know <img src='data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODdhGAAWAPcAAAAAAIAAAACAAICAAAAAg ...  encoded images
2008-05-20T19:21:49  <dreimark> FF and konqueror does
2008-05-20T19:21:58  <mitsuhiko> zenhase: da?
2008-05-20T19:22:11  <mitsuhiko> dreimark: it's not the number of browsers that matters
2008-05-20T19:22:21  <mitsuhiko> you have to ask: does IE support it
2008-05-20T19:22:23  <mitsuhiko> and the answer is no
2008-05-20T19:38:20  <CIA-49> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 3629:bf72cc397f76 1.7/MoinMoin/ (3 files in 2 dirs): fix some ImportError handlers: SpellCheck is builtin. Don't hide import errors in wikiserverconfig.
2008-05-20T19:44:08  <dreimark> bbl
2008-05-20T21:15:16  <dreimark> re
2008-05-20T22:03:00  <dreimark> hi gizmach
2008-05-20T22:09:02  <gizmach> dreimark: hello
2008-05-20T22:23:51  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: there is a failing csv test
2008-05-20T22:26:18  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: did you intentionally attach gallery2image to the main page instead of the sub page?
2008-05-20T22:27:30  <dreimark> i guess that was a mistake
2008-05-20T22:28:23  <dreimark> found the hint on helponadmonitons
2008-05-20T22:29:12  * dreimark is sitting on the XO currently
2008-05-20T22:32:03  <ThomasWaldmann> isn't it a bit hard? :)
2008-05-20T22:32:34  <TheSheep> is it that slippery?
2008-05-20T22:33:51  <dreimark> hehe in front of ...
2008-05-20T23:17:38  <CIA-49> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 3630:a53307694ba3 1.7/MoinMoin/search/Xapian.py: Xapian mimetype search: consistently use a Keyword for mimetype, use text/<format> as mimetype for pages
2008-05-20T23:20:32  * dreimark runs py.test on the XO
2008-05-20T23:22:57  * johill imagines dreimark falling asleep
2008-05-20T23:30:44  <ThomasWaldmann> hehe
2008-05-20T23:31:19  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: you can use ssh to work on a faster machine :)
2008-05-20T23:31:38  <dreimark> I think I am at home before it is finished
2008-05-20T23:32:14  <johill> like I said, home, in bed and fast asleep ;)
2008-05-20T23:33:32  <dreimark> I got a failing test in EmbedObject
2008-05-20T23:33:48  <dreimark> bbl
2008-05-20T23:59:30  <vpv> The moin po files should have the source files mentioned, so it would be easier to look at the corresponding source...