MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2009-04-11

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2009-04-11T11:40:34  <ThomasWaldmann> moin
2009-04-11T11:51:13  <ThomasWaldmann> btw, I looked around for a svg drawing application in javascript. I didn't find anything usable...
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2009-04-11T12:23:16  <ThomasWaldmann> btw, for 1.9rc1 we need to fix the xapian indexing
2009-04-11T12:24:09  <dreimark> http://moinmo.in/FlorianDeVuyst <-- that is likly wrong wiki
2009-04-11T12:24:17  <ThomasWaldmann> after save, it calls the indexer and creates an indexing thread. the means used to join the thread with request.finish do not work as there is no request.finish any more.
2009-04-11T12:28:31  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: looks like.
2009-04-11T12:29:37  * dreimark has added a note on top. 
2009-04-11T12:30:45  <dreimark> can you subscribe him, so he gets an mail on my next change
2009-04-11T12:31:20  <ThomasWaldmann> done
2009-04-11T12:37:03  <dreimark> that page exists since 2005
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2009-04-11T12:37:58  * dreimark wonders that none has told him before
2009-04-11T12:40:08  <dreimark> that sounds like printed spam http://pdos.csail.mit.edu/scigen/
2009-04-11T12:47:37  <ThomasWaldmann> that's rather a fun program :)
2009-04-11T12:50:45  <ThomasWaldmann> especially suspicious is the lower end of his initial edit:
2009-04-11T12:50:48  <ThomasWaldmann> <!-- START OF ADDME LINK --> <font size="2"><a href="http://www.addme.com">AddMe.com, Search Engine Submission and SEO</a></font> <!-- END OF ADDME LINK -->
2009-04-11T12:57:12  <ThomasWaldmann> bbl
2009-04-11T13:04:32  <dreimark> quick response, lets see if he removes everything
2009-04-11T13:28:24  <dreimark> http://www.xdraw.org/ looks interesting and is based on dojo
2009-04-11T13:35:07  <dreimark> http://draw.labs.autodesk.com/ADDraw/draw.html also interesting but I guess not using a licence we can use
2009-04-11T13:55:43  <dreimark> http://litha-paint.com/
2009-04-11T13:57:33  <dreimark> Monday, March 02, 2009  Litha-Paint Became Open Source
2009-04-11T13:58:07  <dreimark> You can download it from https://svn.codehaus.org/litha-paint/
2009-04-11T14:06:19  <dreimark> bbl
2009-04-11T14:45:53  * xorAxAx reviews proposals
2009-04-11T15:06:47  <ThomasWaldmann> re
2009-04-11T15:07:21  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: didn't have litha-paint some server dependencies?
2009-04-11T15:07:42  <ThomasWaldmann> (also, they seem to be a bit undecided about licensing)
2009-04-11T15:19:42  <dreimark> wb xorAxAx
2009-04-11T15:24:44  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: not sure what you mean, the demo runs in my browser (firefox demo.html)
2009-04-11T15:25:34  <dreimark> ah ok, my fault
2009-04-11T15:25:46  <dreimark> I know now what you meant
2009-04-11T15:35:09  <ThomasWaldmann> java server component
2009-04-11T15:36:11  <dreimark> it is
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2009-04-11T16:54:07  <dreimark> bbl
2009-04-11T17:05:58  <ThomasWaldmann> moin amartani
2009-04-11T17:22:29  <ThomasWaldmann> http://draw2d.org/draw2d/files/demo/vectordraw/index.html a bit too simple, but js only afaics
2009-04-11T17:36:35  <amartani> moin ThomasWaldmann
2009-04-11T17:36:36  <TheSheep> mindmapping could be better than general painitng/drawing
2009-04-11T17:37:00  <TheSheep> the more general approach is not always better
2009-04-11T17:39:32  <TheSheep> wow, it's a pretty advanced library
2009-04-11T17:39:38  <ThomasWaldmann> TheSheep: that depends on what you want to do :)
2009-04-11T17:40:06  <ThomasWaldmann> if you want to draw a fluffy sheep, you maybe rather want a drawing/painting app than a mindmapper
2009-04-11T17:40:20  <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: I'd rather use gimp for that
2009-04-11T17:40:23  <TheSheep> or inkscape
2009-04-11T17:40:52  <TheSheep> you won't get inskcape quality in a browser
2009-04-11T17:40:58  <ThomasWaldmann> yes, but that's offline
2009-04-11T17:41:24  <TheSheep> the point is, with the quality of editor that is feasible, you will only produce quick sketches anyways
2009-04-11T17:41:40  <ThomasWaldmann> using webdav would be an option for some apps, but we don't have that yet
2009-04-11T17:42:09  <TheSheep> one can write a gimp plugin :)
2009-04-11T17:42:21  <TheSheep> in python
2009-04-11T17:43:06  <TheSheep> 'save to wiki'
2009-04-11T17:43:15  <ThomasWaldmann> the strange thing about draw2d is that nobody wrote a more-than-trivial general drawing program with it yet
2009-04-11T17:43:47  <TheSheep> I see a lot of that with js
2009-04-11T17:44:04  <TheSheep> there are brilliant libraries, but no programs using them
2009-04-11T17:44:23  <TheSheep> except for certain corporate apps
2009-04-11T17:45:11  <ThomasWaldmann> maybe most people dislike js app coding, except when being paid for :)
2009-04-11T17:45:24  <TheSheep> then who codes the libraries?
2009-04-11T17:45:45  <ThomasWaldmann> the ones who dislike js app coding, to make it easier :)
2009-04-11T17:46:13  <TheSheep> I'd really like to meet some js programmer
2009-04-11T17:46:17  <TheSheep> and exchange notes
2009-04-11T17:47:33  * TheSheep tries to join #javascript
2009-04-11T17:48:48  <ThomasWaldmann> Thank you for your changes. Your attention to detail is appreciated.
2009-04-11T17:48:49  <ThomasWaldmann> Notifications sent to: Err404
2009-04-11T17:49:01  <ThomasWaldmann> some users have irritating names
2009-04-11T17:49:27  * TheSheep regiters as AttributeError
2009-04-11T17:49:53  <TheSheep> or None :)
2009-04-11T17:49:59  <TheSheep> that would be annoying
2009-04-11T18:03:33  <dreimark> re
2009-04-11T18:04:29  <dreimark> we should send him an error
2009-04-11T18:20:05  <dreimark> http://softwareas.com/tiddlywiki-drawing-plugin-based-on-project-draw
2009-04-11T18:36:40  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: project draw is a web service provided by autodesk, it seems to store your drawings on their server
2009-04-11T18:37:22  <dreimark> i know. but the gui is quite nice.
2009-04-11T18:37:52  <ThomasWaldmann> while that software seems to be somehow powerful, I do not want to trust or rely on them.
2009-04-11T18:38:01  * dreimark too
2009-04-11T19:52:37  <dreimark> .oO some more xapian exceptions
2009-04-11T19:54:54  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/112119/
2009-04-11T19:55:07  <dreimark> do you see this too ?
2009-04-11T19:56:46  <ThomasWaldmann> that's likely due to new argument parser
2009-04-11T19:56:59  <ThomasWaldmann> if there is a comma in there, it thinks it is 2 args
2009-04-11T19:59:42  <dreimark> the pages should have been changed since 1.7
2009-04-11T19:59:53  * dreimark looks which pages are throwing that
2009-04-11T20:29:48  <dreimark> same procedure on master19 now
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2009-04-11T21:19:20  <dreimark> there are many pages on master18/19 which use the wrong macro syntax
2009-04-11T21:21:05  <ThomasWaldmann> like?
2009-04-11T21:21:41  <dreimark> do a textsearch by `[[
2009-04-11T21:22:48  <dreimark> pages with examples for Navigation, Include, BR, MailTo, FullSearch
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2009-04-11T21:31:40  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: i didn't find any english or german pages with that problem
2009-04-11T21:32:17  <ThomasWaldmann> i know we have quite some outdated translations, but if the people speaking that language don't care, I won't either
2009-04-11T21:32:59  <ThomasWaldmann> the only thing we can do is either document the need for better maintenance, nag them or kill the translated pages
2009-04-11T21:33:51  <TheSheep> I suppose they would have to be killed eventually
2009-04-11T21:34:21  <dreimark> the mig scripts have ignored `[[macro...]]`. Now it's wrong. And if we can care only on german and english, we should not share broken documentations
2009-04-11T21:34:21  <TheSheep> btw, ever considered uploading moin to launchpad to use their rosetta app?
2009-04-11T21:34:46  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: sure they have ignored it, if it is within pre
2009-04-11T21:35:23  <dreimark> the common user can't destinguish if the translation is done by the moin devs or a third party user
2009-04-11T21:36:49  <dreimark> we should do it similiar to mediawikia
2009-04-11T21:37:10  <dreimark> s/mediawikia/wikipedia
2009-04-11T21:38:26  <dreimark> they sign it somehow as outdated. and if we do so it needs to be mapped to a recent masterXX wiki where user can add their changes
2009-04-11T21:48:12  <ThomasWaldmann> there is no user who changes it
2009-04-11T21:48:40  <dreimark> see query
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2009-04-11T21:55:47  <dreimark> I know I try to change as much as I find and like to do. (for 1.9) If one else likes to help everyone is welcome
2009-04-11T22:12:54  * ThomasWaldmann looks at the pyxml trouble
2009-04-11T22:13:06  <dreimark> ok
2009-04-11T22:20:37  <dreimark> rtl pages :)
2009-04-11T22:50:25  <dreimark> TheSheep: http://master19.moinmo.in/PomocPrzyLinkowaniu
2009-04-11T22:53:05  <TheSheep> argh
2009-04-11T23:31:26  <dreimark> btw. an the domtree later used to search also for a macro?
2009-04-11T23:31:37  <dreimark> +c
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