MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2009-04-16

2009-04-16T00:00:53  <vpv> pagename in send_moveform probably needs to be escaped too, it allows arbitrary html as well
2009-04-16T00:39:33  <vpv> ok, here are the patches that I'm planning on shipping against 1.6.4 in Fedora:
2009-04-16T00:39:39  <vpv> http://vpv.fedorapeople.org/packages/CVE-2009-0260_and_maybe_CVE-2007-0781.patch
2009-04-16T00:39:45  <vpv> http://vpv.fedorapeople.org/packages/antispam_XSS.patch
2009-04-16T00:40:37  <vpv> that "maybe" is because Debian probably reserved 2007-0781 but CVE has no details on it, it's the upload_form msg escape
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2009-04-16T09:36:30  <dreimark> moin
2009-04-16T09:52:01  <vpv> did this affect 1.5: http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/1.6/rev/f405012e67af (it's the superuser/ACL problem), I'm guessing no?
2009-04-16T09:54:47  <dreimark> vpv: I am at work I can't currently look in much details
2009-04-16T09:59:23  <vpv> ok, I'll need to leave soon as well, but I just posted these here for when you guys have the time
2009-04-16T10:02:53  <dreimark> thanks
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2009-04-16T11:53:47  <ThomasWaldmann> moin
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2009-04-16T13:23:52  <cde> ThomasWaldmann: http://geekdeck.wordpress.com/2009/04/13/feature-summers-here-code-up/
2009-04-16T13:23:55  <cde> :-)
2009-04-16T13:30:56  <dreimark> inoogle typo
2009-04-16T13:31:05  <cde> yeah...
2009-04-16T13:32:59  <cde> did pete show up during your mentor-meeting?
2009-04-16T13:34:22  <dreimark> his nick is  cbx22?
2009-04-16T13:36:25  <cde> 33
2009-04-16T13:36:34  <cde> but yes
2009-04-16T13:37:13  <dreimark> don't have seen him in the last days on irc.
2009-04-16T13:37:19  * dreimark 
2009-04-16T13:37:46  <cde> not even during your mentor meeting?
2009-04-16T13:55:34  <dreimark> didn't found him by grep cbx
2009-04-16T13:55:44  <dennda> oh ok
2009-04-16T13:55:50  <cde> irssi instance fail
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2009-04-16T13:56:42  <dennda> he said he's been pretty busy lately... i guess he will want to talk to ThomasWaldmann
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2009-04-16T16:08:58  <devilsadvocate> moin
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2009-04-16T16:45:25  <dreimark> devilsadvocate: how detailed can the wiki configuration/installation process be done. e.g. if one selects german, will it suggests different group/category regexes and install german lang packs?
2009-04-16T16:46:13  <devilsadvocate> dreimark, right now im not very familiar with the translation system
2009-04-16T16:46:19  <devilsadvocate> but that can be done, yes
2009-04-16T16:46:31  <devilsadvocate> i was planning on allowing the regexes to be changed from there anyway
2009-04-16T16:46:42  <devilsadvocate> but i will need some help listing out the suggestions
2009-04-16T16:48:04  <devilsadvocate> I've found the need to change regexes for other (non-translation) reasons
2009-04-16T16:48:18  <dreimark> which others?
2009-04-16T16:48:40  <devilsadvocate> people dont want to write 'Category' every time
2009-04-16T16:49:07  <devilsadvocate> or think that its not correctly indicative of what it is
2009-04-16T16:49:32  <devilsadvocate> i often bang my head against a wall when trying to get people to use the wiki, so, yeah
2009-04-16T16:50:32  <dreimark> why do they need to write it, don't they use the pulldown list?
2009-04-16T16:51:13  <devilsadvocate> we generally end up using a combination of the two.
2009-04-16T16:51:15  <dreimark> it should be easier to select a given obne
2009-04-16T16:51:19  <devilsadvocate> sometimes we just write it
2009-04-16T16:51:42  <devilsadvocate> and then at the bottom of the page there end up a lot of 'Category' as text
2009-04-16T16:51:49  <devilsadvocate> which apparantly is distracting
2009-04-16T16:52:03  <devilsadvocate> i dont agree with that
2009-04-16T16:52:29  <devilsadvocate> but im just saying that sometimes the regexes need to be changed to satisfy people
2009-04-16T16:53:27  <dreimark> not only the regexes they are configurable.
2009-04-16T16:54:18  <dreimark> I am thinking currently more on defining some kind of scenes which can be combined
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2009-04-16T16:54:27  <devilsadvocate> yes, i understand
2009-04-16T16:54:30  <devilsadvocate> sort of like
2009-04-16T16:54:40  <devilsadvocate> in the start of the installation you select a language
2009-04-16T16:54:44  <dreimark> e.g. lang dependent wiki with minimliastics content
2009-04-16T16:55:05  <devilsadvocate> and then repopulate all the options based on the language preference
2009-04-16T16:55:14  <dreimark> yes
2009-04-16T16:55:59  <devilsadvocate> one question - the content that is initially installed by defaut is the English version, right
2009-04-16T16:55:59  <devilsadvocate> ?
2009-04-16T16:56:13  <devilsadvocate> and then you can get some ?other language and replace/add to the pages
2009-04-16T16:56:17  <devilsadvocate> and then you can get some ?other language and replace/add to the pages
2009-04-16T16:56:19  <devilsadvocate> oops
2009-04-16T16:56:20  <devilsadvocate> ?
2009-04-16T16:57:12  <dreimark> yes, and the others are delivered as package. see SystemPagesSetup they can be installed from that page
2009-04-16T16:58:25  <dreimark> currently we work on http://moinmo.in/FeatureRequests/PrecedenceTranslation which is a refactoring of the translation process
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2009-04-16T17:00:02  <devilsadvocate> i see
2009-04-16T17:00:09  <devilsadvocate> ok, this can be done
2009-04-16T17:01:20  <devilsadvocate> dreimark, Deutche is German right?
2009-04-16T17:01:31  <devilsadvocate> ok, i think i spelt that wrong
2009-04-16T17:01:33  <dreimark> Deutsch
2009-04-16T17:01:56  <devilsadvocate> i installed the German pack
2009-04-16T17:02:04  <devilsadvocate> and changed my preferred language to german
2009-04-16T17:02:13  <devilsadvocate> but HelpOnMoinWikiSyntax still is in english..
2009-04-16T17:02:26  <dreimark> not everything is translated
2009-04-16T17:02:50  <devilsadvocate> oh, ok
2009-04-16T17:03:14  <dreimark> but you have now Aktuelle Aenderungen instead of RecentChanges
2009-04-16T17:03:29  <dreimark> the messages are now in german
2009-04-16T17:03:41  <devilsadvocate> yes, the messages and menus have changed
2009-04-16T17:03:43  <dreimark> and all navigations
2009-04-16T17:04:07  <devilsadvocate> ok, so this is what can be done
2009-04-16T17:04:12  <devilsadvocate> when you select a language
2009-04-16T17:04:22  <devilsadvocate> during install, it will install the language pack as well
2009-04-16T17:04:35  <devilsadvocate> change the regexes to the ones suggested for that language
2009-04-16T17:04:44  <devilsadvocate> set the default language of new users to that language
2009-04-16T17:04:55  <devilsadvocate> does anything else have to be done?
2009-04-16T17:05:19  <dreimark> i think that's all
2009-04-16T17:05:40  <devilsadvocate> ok
2009-04-16T17:06:01  <devilsadvocate> i'll put in the same kind of translation hooks into the installer as well
2009-04-16T17:06:23  <devilsadvocate> hopefully we'll be able to get translations of it in the future
2009-04-16T17:06:59  <devilsadvocate> i can write only english, and some hindi and telugu, but not enough to translate this sort of stuff
2009-04-16T17:07:33  <dreimark> btw. in 1.9 it should link in german to HilfeZurMoinWikiSyntax otherwise something is wrong (may be the wiki process needs to be restarted after installing a lang)
2009-04-16T17:08:11  <devilsadvocate> i'm testing it on 1.8.2
2009-04-16T17:08:16  <dreimark> devilsadvocate: we also that was the reason for this feature request and the action I wrote the last days
2009-04-16T17:08:25  <devilsadvocate> my 1.9 instance is a bit.. screwed up right now :P
2009-04-16T17:08:39  <dreimark> devilsadvocate: you shoul look into 1.9 because that will be the version soc wl use
2009-04-16T17:08:48  <dreimark> and some stuff has changed
2009-04-16T17:08:48  <devilsadvocate> yeah
2009-04-16T17:08:56  <devilsadvocate> i have that as well
2009-04-16T17:11:57  <dreimark> htg bbl
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2009-04-16T19:32:50  * ThomasWaldmann did some important linux updates and needed to reboot
2009-04-16T19:33:37  <devilsadvocate> its nice that kernel updates dont fail too often nowadays, isnt it
2009-04-16T19:35:02  <ThomasWaldmann> yeah. nevertheless rebooting remote servers is always exciting. :D
2009-04-16T19:35:21  <devilsadvocate> :D
2009-04-16T19:35:44  <devilsadvocate> one of the old servers we used to have has only 1 out of 4 cores still working
2009-04-16T19:35:50  <ThomasWaldmann> but even more interesting are glibc updates :D
2009-04-16T19:35:57  <devilsadvocate> so it boots up only 25% of the time
2009-04-16T19:37:55  <ThomasWaldmann> old servers with 4 cores?
2009-04-16T19:38:08  <devilsadvocate> yeah
2009-04-16T19:38:22  <devilsadvocate> it used to be our institute proxy server
2009-04-16T19:38:32  <devilsadvocate> 2 athlon X2s
2009-04-16T19:38:43  <devilsadvocate> they gave it to us when they decomissioned it
2009-04-16T19:38:56  <devilsadvocate> its still being used, actually
2009-04-16T19:39:13  <devilsadvocate> we got it in... 2005 i think
2009-04-16T19:39:41  <devilsadvocate> we finally got an upgrade last year to a spanking new rack mounted beast
2009-04-16T19:41:09  * ThomasWaldmann never had a half defect cpu yet
2009-04-16T19:42:02  <devilsadvocate> we never realized why it was happening
2009-04-16T19:42:15  <devilsadvocate> we had to disable a bunch of stuff to make it boot even
2009-04-16T19:42:30  <devilsadvocate> finally one day we sat down and looked at the verbose output
2009-04-16T19:42:53  <devilsadvocate> turns out linux boots up using a single core and then inits the others
2009-04-16T19:43:14  <devilsadvocate> so if it started out with one of the defective cores, it panics
2009-04-16T19:43:29  <devilsadvocate> (it seems to randomly select which one is first)
2009-04-16T19:45:21  <devilsadvocate> the motd on the server was "Never reboot this if you're not in front of it. Ever"
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2009-04-16T23:35:21  <dreimark> re