MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2010-01-11

   1 2010-01-11T00:00:48  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/164160/ ok?
   2 2010-01-11T00:13:18  <ThomasWaldmann> http://moinmo.in/MimeType < see there
   3 2010-01-11T00:13:29  <ThomasWaldmann> not sure whether that is the final state, though
   4 2010-01-11T00:17:38  * ThomasWaldmann looks at moin/1.9 source
   5 2010-01-11T00:18:27  <dreimark> in moin-2.0-storage it is 'text/x-unidentified-wiki-format', 'text/moin-wiki',
   6 2010-01-11T00:19:38  <ThomasWaldmann> yeah, it's a big mess :)
   7 2010-01-11T00:22:09  <dreimark> x-moin and x-creole
   8 2010-01-11T00:24:03  <ThomasWaldmann> 1.9 has text/moin-wiki, text/wiki, ...
   9 2010-01-11T00:24:23  <TheSheep> you should use vendor-specific mime types
  10 2010-01-11T00:24:30  <TheSheep> ones that you can register
  11 2010-01-11T00:25:23  <TheSheep> vnd.moinmoin.wiki and vnd.moinmoin.creole for example
  12 2010-01-11T00:26:13  <TheSheep> http://www.alvestrand.no/pipermail/ietf-types/2009-May/002190.html <-- example registration request
  13 2010-01-11T00:26:45  <TheSheep> you probably want wiki version in the optional parameters
  14 2010-01-11T00:26:49  <TheSheep> and probably encoding
  15 2010-01-11T00:28:04  <TheSheep> I'm going to register such types for Hatta and will report how it went
  16 2010-01-11T00:28:47  <ThomasWaldmann> i added that remark to the MimeType page
  17 2010-01-11T00:30:11  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: to be consistent, i would suggest text/creole and text/moin-wiki (see parser file names)
  18 2010-01-11T00:30:17  <dreimark> so for 1.9 it is then likly text/moin-wiki and text/moin-creole?
  19 2010-01-11T00:30:25  <dreimark> ok
  20 2010-01-11T00:30:40  <ThomasWaldmann> and in 2.0, we try to clean that up
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  22 2010-01-11T00:37:33  <CIA-44> Reimar Bauer <rb.proj AT googlemail DOT com> default * 5421:eaef92e05011 1.9/ (4 files in 3 dirs):
  23 2010-01-11T00:37:33  <CIA-44> extension for parser text_creole and text_moin_wiki added.
  24 2010-01-11T00:37:33  <CIA-44> Use extension .creole for text_creole and .moin for text_moin_wiki.
  25 2010-01-11T00:37:33  <CIA-44> Attachments are rendered now when viewed.
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  27 2010-01-11T00:56:21  <dreimark> gn
  28 2010-01-11T01:06:05  <ThomasWaldmann> gn dreimark
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  37 2010-01-11T08:59:33  <CIA-44> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 5422:ddfd18e00523 1.9/MoinMoin/auth/openidrp_ext/openidrp_sreg.py: openidrp_sreg: handle UnknownTimeZoneError gracefully
  38 2010-01-11T08:59:35  <CIA-44> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 5423:7d0598a55c09 1.9/ (4 files in 3 dirs): merged main
  39 2010-01-11T10:13:53  <dreimark> moin
  40 2010-01-11T10:45:17  <ThomasWaldmann> moin
  41 2010-01-11T12:43:05  <dreimark> how does FF render directly data:image/svg+xml;base64,PD94...
  42 2010-01-11T13:02:09  <dreimark> if I set data as valid url scheme i can open it in a different browser
  43 2010-01-11T13:02:29  <dreimark> but {{ }} syntax doesn't include it
  44 2010-01-11T13:02:40  <dreimark> s/include/transclude/
  45 2010-01-11T13:02:56  <ThomasWaldmann> what's the practical application of that?
  46 2010-01-11T13:04:13  <dreimark> you can have revisions of different graphics and you can use such graphics by wikisync in 1.9 too
  47 2010-01-11T13:06:01  <ThomasWaldmann> but having base64 on pages is rather ugly (and in diffs)
  48 2010-01-11T13:08:21  <johill> and ?action=raw wouldn't be a valid svg
  49 2010-01-11T13:08:27  <johill> which seems kinda useful?
  50 2010-01-11T13:09:28  <ThomasWaldmann> (sounds all a bit like better being done in moin2, of course that doesn't help you for now)
  51 2010-01-11T13:09:52  <ThomasWaldmann> johill: btw, that id generator, was that from you?
  52 2010-01-11T13:10:06  <johill> most of it, I think
  53 2010-01-11T13:11:10  <ThomasWaldmann> there is some strange traceback appearing in my server logs
  54 2010-01-11T13:11:36  <johill> hm
  55 2010-01-11T13:11:48  * ThomasWaldmann tries to find the bug report
  56 2010-01-11T13:14:25  <ThomasWaldmann> http://moinmo.in/MoinMoinBugs/TableOfContents_uid_generator_crashing
  57 2010-01-11T13:15:14  <ThomasWaldmann> maybe you see more easily what's going wrong there
  58 2010-01-11T13:16:32  <johill> strange
  59 2010-01-11T13:16:54  <ThomasWaldmann> TextCha: failure (u='209.250.241.41', a='perl',  q='Which programming language does the MoinMoin project mainly use?')
  60 2010-01-11T13:17:53  <johill> well self.include_stack is probably empty
  61 2010-01-11T13:18:05  <ThomasWaldmann> yeah, but why? :)
  62 2010-01-11T13:18:49  <ThomasWaldmann> my log has quite some of these
  63 2010-01-11T13:19:44  <johill> yeah doesn't make a whole lot of sense
  64 2010-01-11T13:20:37  <johill> smells like a race condition
  65 2010-01-11T13:20:41  <johill>         self.unique_stack.append((self.page_ids, self.include_id))
  66 2010-01-11T13:20:41  <johill>         self.include_id, pids = self.include_stack[-1]
  67 2010-01-11T13:20:48  <johill> [-1] should always be there then
  68 2010-01-11T13:20:54  <johill> oh n/m sorry
  69 2010-01-11T13:20:58  <johill> different variables
  70 2010-01-11T13:21:17  <ThomasWaldmann> TextCha: failure (u='209.250.241.41', a='mono'  q='What is this site about?')
  71 2010-01-11T13:21:32  <ThomasWaldmann> someone is really having trouble with those textchas :D
  72 2010-01-11T13:21:35  <johill> heh
  73 2010-01-11T13:21:39  <johill> ok I see the problem
  74 2010-01-11T13:21:54  <johill> some formatter is not calling self.request.uid_generator.begin
  75 2010-01-11T13:22:25  <johill> docbook and python both don't
  76 2010-01-11T13:22:37  <johill> yet override the default startContent() which does it
  77 2010-01-11T13:22:41  <johill> w/o calling it
  78 2010-01-11T13:22:57  <ThomasWaldmann> oh
  79 2010-01-11T13:23:23  <johill> they just need to call FormatterBase.startContent()
  80 2010-01-11T13:23:41  <johill> or copy the code or something
  81 2010-01-11T13:23:44  <ThomasWaldmann> ok, shall I fix it?
  82 2010-01-11T13:23:49  <johill> same for endContent()
  83 2010-01-11T13:23:58  <johill> it needs self.request.uid_generator.end()
  84 2010-01-11T13:24:00  <johill> sure, please do
  85 2010-01-11T13:24:09  <ThomasWaldmann> ok, thanks for hinting :)
  86 2010-01-11T13:24:12  <johill> np :)
  87 2010-01-11T13:26:27  <johill> now using docbook on that page doesn't seem to produce a traceback either
  88 2010-01-11T13:26:48  <johill> or did you fix it already
  89 2010-01-11T13:26:57  <ThomasWaldmann> i didn't touch the code yet
  90 2010-01-11T13:27:23  <ThomasWaldmann> i never have seen that traceback happening while browsing, but it's in my logs
  91 2010-01-11T13:28:18  <johill> right, but one typically doesn't browse docbook
  92 2010-01-11T13:28:26  <johill> but it doesn't seem to reproduce that way either
  93 2010-01-11T13:29:35  <johill> and I don't understand why not :)
  94 2010-01-11T13:33:38  <johill> hM/
  95 2010-01-11T13:33:40  <johill> http://moinmo.in/FeatureRequests/JHotDrawSupport?action=show&mimetype=foo
  96 2010-01-11T13:33:43  <johill> Internal Server Error
  97 2010-01-11T13:34:15  <johill> and http://moinmo.in/FeatureRequests/JHotDrawSupport?action=show&mimetype=xml has a validation error
  98 2010-01-11T13:34:20  <johill> XML Parsing Error: mismatched tag. Expected: </p>.
  99 2010-01-11T13:34:25  <ThomasWaldmann> PluginMissingError: Plugin not found! ('formatter' 'foo' 'Formatter')
 100 2010-01-11T13:34:38  <johill> ok that makes sense, but why internal server error?
 101 2010-01-11T13:35:11  <ThomasWaldmann> because it didn't catch PluginMissingError
 102 2010-01-11T13:35:28  <johill> right :)
 103 2010-01-11T13:35:58  <johill> well, I can't reproduce the error
 104 2010-01-11T13:36:01  <ThomasWaldmann> text_plain.py also doesn't call baseclass
 105 2010-01-11T13:36:33  <johill> hm?
 106 2010-01-11T13:36:38  <johill> it doesn't override startContent
 107 2010-01-11T13:36:38  <ThomasWaldmann> text_xml.py neither
 108 2010-01-11T13:36:47  <johill> neither does that
 109 2010-01-11T13:37:01  <johill> are you looking at startDocument?
 110 2010-01-11T13:37:29  * ThomasWaldmann confuse those both calls
 111 2010-01-11T13:39:17  <johill> maybe docbook just never calls the toc macro?
 112 2010-01-11T13:39:41  <johill> do you have any additional formatter plugins installed?
 113 2010-01-11T13:42:18  <ThomasWaldmann> no, just the stuff included in 1.9
 114 2010-01-11T13:42:22  <johill> hm yeah so docbook doesn't in fact call the toc
 115 2010-01-11T13:43:16  <johill> is that traceback complete?
 116 2010-01-11T13:43:25  <ThomasWaldmann> yes
 117 2010-01-11T13:43:36  <johill> weird
 118 2010-01-11T13:43:40  <johill> how did it get to MoinMoin/macro/__init__.py ?
 119 2010-01-11T13:43:56  <johill> or are tracebacks shortened by the logging?
 120 2010-01-11T13:44:39  <ThomasWaldmann> it is because the exception handler is there
 121 2010-01-11T13:46:07  <johill> ah
 122 2010-01-11T13:46:19  <johill> well maybe you can log the current stack at that point
 123 2010-01-11T13:46:55  <johill> since you say it's happening frequently enough
 124 2010-01-11T13:48:23  <johill> I'll subscribe to the bug page
 125 2010-01-11T13:49:24  <ThomasWaldmann> problem is if i removed that exception handler to get a longer traceback, a faulty macro will crash the page rendering
 126 2010-01-11T13:49:35  <ThomasWaldmann> or even unexpected arguments
 127 2010-01-11T13:54:29  <johill> I know
 128 2010-01-11T13:54:55  <johill> traceback.format_stack(log)?
 129 2010-01-11T13:56:09  <johill> or rather logging.info(traceback.format_stack())
 130 2010-01-11T13:58:22  <ThomasWaldmann> ok, I can add that
 131 2010-01-11T14:02:57  <CIA-44> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 5424:f619c99ab12f 1.9/MoinMoin/macro/__init__.py: print stack for macro exceptions
 132 2010-01-11T14:09:56  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: may be textcha user was adding http://moinmo.in/4ct10n/info/AlexandreQuessy?action=diff&rev2=3&rev1=2
 133 2010-01-11T14:11:42  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: does revert send events for xapian update?
 134 2010-01-11T14:25:51  <ThomasWaldmann> i hope so :) look in teh src for details.
 135 2010-01-11T14:57:06  <dreimark> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/164267/
 136 2010-01-11T14:57:51  <dreimark> is needed for adding 'data' to the attach_rule (while it isn't an attachment'
 137 2010-01-11T14:59:50  <dreimark> that is a quick hack just howto do it
 138 2010-01-11T17:15:16  * dreimark should we add wsgi as text/plain extension?
 139 2010-01-11T18:10:29  <dreimark> data: has some bugs in firefox e.g. gradients are rendered as solid black.
 140 2010-01-11T18:44:28  <ThomasWaldmann> you can't add all extensions for text/* kind of stuff. and even if you would, stuff like README still wouldn't work.
 141 2010-01-11T18:54:50  <dreimark> in 1.9 in 2.0 we would know its mimetype
 142 2010-01-11T19:10:13  <dreimark> bbl
 143 2010-01-11T19:27:40  <TheSheep> I actually have two lists, one is for extensions, and one for special file names
 144 2010-01-11T19:27:55  <TheSheep> like README, CHANGES, ISSUES, COPYING, etc.
 145 2010-01-11T19:38:27  <ronny> TheSheep: hatta again?
 146 2010-01-11T19:39:04  <ronny> is it still single file? or did it grow a bit
 147 2010-01-11T19:45:14  <TheSheep> ronny: the core is a single file
 148 2010-01-11T19:45:30  <ronny> TheSheep: it got plugins?
 149 2010-01-11T19:45:36  <TheSheep> ronny: there is a gui wrapper though
 150 2010-01-11T19:45:46  <ronny> what does that gui do?
 151 2010-01-11T19:45:54  <ronny> feed results into webkit?
 152 2010-01-11T19:45:56  <TheSheep> ronny: can't come up with a good plugin system, so far I extend it by wrapping
 153 2010-01-11T19:46:15  <ronny> TheSheep: im tinkering on a better extensionpoint system
 154 2010-01-11T19:46:24  <ronny> currently one has to import plugins
 155 2010-01-11T19:46:54  <TheSheep> ronny: oh, it's a small app that sits in your systray, runs hatta as standalone server, lets you start a browser with it and lists all hatta wikis running in the vicinity, using avahi
 156 2010-01-11T19:47:09  <ronny> ah, i see
 157 2010-01-11T19:47:22  <TheSheep> oh, and Czarek added some simple config editing recently
 158 2010-01-11T19:51:19  <TheSheep> and the latest news, I actually made it thread-safe recently, I think it's an important step for a web application ;)
 159 2010-01-11T19:53:21  <ronny> TheSheep: how good is the rest handling, and is there some way to build some kind of blog post archive from taking metadata from rest files
 160 2010-01-11T19:53:32  <ronny> TheSheep: if not i'll build it
 161 2010-01-11T19:53:44  <ronny> and then run my blog on it
 162 2010-01-11T19:55:40  <TheSheep> no dynamic pages in hatta
 163 2010-01-11T19:55:49  <TheSheep> by design
 164 2010-01-11T19:56:02  <TheSheep> so I guess no
 165 2010-01-11T19:56:12  <ronny> i suppose no plans to change that?
 166 2010-01-11T19:56:14  <TheSheep> the rest support is a 5-lines class
 167 2010-01-11T19:56:33  <ronny> i see, so build an own it is
 168 2010-01-11T19:56:42  <TheSheep> or use zine
 169 2010-01-11T19:56:53  <ronny> i killed my sine casue i couldnt bear it ant more
 170 2010-01-11T19:57:04  <ronny> hmm
 171 2010-01-11T19:57:18  <ronny> i seem to get lack-of-sleep symptoms
 172 2010-01-11T19:57:28  <TheSheep> we need a simlpe blogging engine running in mercurial
 173 2010-01-11T19:57:44  <TheSheep> you can steal my mercurial and search code :)
 174 2010-01-11T19:58:05  <TheSheep> give it a twitter api!
 175 2010-01-11T19:59:07  <ronny> why a twitter api?
 176 2010-01-11T19:59:24  <TheSheep> so that people can see updates in their twitter client ;)
 177 2010-01-11T19:59:28  <TheSheep> and tweet on them
 178 2010-01-11T19:59:51  <ronny> i just want mostly static pages + a archive page
 179 2010-01-11T20:00:04  <TheSheep> I used oddmuse for that
 180 2010-01-11T20:00:10  <ronny> oddmuse?
 181 2010-01-11T20:00:15  <TheSheep> but you wouldn't like it
 182 2010-01-11T20:00:21  <TheSheep> a single perl file :D
 183 2010-01-11T20:01:03  <TheSheep> ronny: http://sheep.art.pl/Home <-- my old blog on oddmuse
 184 2010-01-11T20:01:21  <ronny> i see
 185 2010-01-11T20:01:35  <TheSheep> why sleep deprivation?
 186 2010-01-11T20:02:13  <ronny> more like bad sleep this night and failed wakeup
 187 2010-01-11T20:03:10  <TheSheep> I see, you should go to sleep early, eat properly and brush your teeth regularly
 188 2010-01-11T20:03:21  <TheSheep> and groom your fur
 189 2010-01-11T20:03:28  <johill> and floss
 190 2010-01-11T20:03:34  <johill> ;)
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 192 2010-01-11T23:37:22  <ronny> who is that RenatoSilva that wants to get moin translations on launchpad every now and then
 193 2010-01-11T23:37:43  <TheSheep> he made the solenoid theme
 194 2010-01-11T23:37:46  <ronny> it seems he bugs #launchpad about that every few months
 195 2010-01-11T23:38:17  <ronny> btw, whats the actual license of the moinmoin translations? gpl2, too?
 196 2010-01-11T23:44:34  <dreimark> yes and later
 197 2010-01-11T23:45:09  <dreimark> he wants us to move to launchpad and to change our license to bsd or something similiar
 198 2010-01-11T23:45:14  <dreimark> we don't want
 199 2010-01-11T23:45:18  <ronny> i see
 200 2010-01-11T23:45:27  <ronny> he ignores that?
 201 2010-01-11T23:45:51  <dreimark> yes, i think he don't understand why we contribute
 202 2010-01-11T23:48:08  <ronny> dreimark: i suppose all he wants is as easy translation process as possible
 203 2010-01-11T23:49:22  <dreimark> yes I am too. I have introduced the CheckTranslation tool.
 204 2010-01-11T23:49:48  <dreimark> And I think getting more people liking do to translation is a good thing
 205 2010-01-11T23:57:45  <TheSheep> I could try installing pootle or something similar
 206 2010-01-11T23:58:26  <TheSheep> but the polish transation needs a global review of policies and style