1 2010-01-12T00:01:46 <ronny> dreimark: ever taken a look at things like transifex?
2 2010-01-12T00:03:31 <dreimark> ronny: not now - i think i need an update
3 2010-01-12T00:04:11 <ronny> ok
4 2010-01-12T00:05:19 *** vinci_
5 2010-01-12T00:05:32 *** tpfennig
6 2010-01-12T00:07:42 <dreimark> it would be good someone would collect some infos on a wiki page before
7 2010-01-12T00:07:56 <dreimark> one just did a decision how he likes it best
8 2010-01-12T00:08:13 <dreimark> changed for his purposes
9 2010-01-12T00:08:29 <dreimark> and later we have to talk about problems
10 2010-01-12T00:11:35 <xorAxAx> ronny: didnt you want to talk to me about the multiconfig?
11 2010-01-12T00:13:46 <ronny> xorAxAx: my main point of confusion where the hell the wiki uid's for wikisync was from, unfortunately i didnt take a look since last week, and its not in my brain atm
12 2010-01-12T00:14:59 <xorAxAx> well, should i read the code to you? :)
13 2010-01-12T00:17:33 <xorAxAx> there is a packline in it which is a noop if you mean that
14 2010-01-12T00:17:38 <xorAxAx> but i left it for symmetry
15 2010-01-12T00:17:56 <xorAxAx> and for layered abstraction
16 2010-01-12T00:19:33 <ronny> xorAxAx: ah, yes, that packline thing is also confusing, i really dont like it
17 2010-01-12T00:19:46 <xorAxAx> why?
18 2010-01-12T00:24:33 <xorAxAx> not very responsive you are, good night
19 2010-01-12T00:24:39 <ronny> xorAxAx: when i took a look at it first, the first thing that went trough my mind was 'why the heck pack it like that'
20 2010-01-12T00:24:57 <xorAxAx> why not?
21 2010-01-12T00:25:35 <ronny> mom, let me open the code
22 2010-01-12T00:26:24 <ronny> ah, right, all that seemingly weird escaping
23 2010-01-12T00:27:57 <ronny> xorAxAx: and it seems to be used only in wikisync and packaging and the iwid_full
24 2010-01-12T00:28:21 <xorAxAx> why is it weird?
25 2010-01-12T00:28:45 <xorAxAx> the iwid_full is defined as a packed line with 1 or 2 elements
26 2010-01-12T00:29:12 <ronny> xorAxAx: i dont exactly see why that packing is necessary in the first place
27 2010-01-12T00:29:24 <xorAxAx> "packaging"?
28 2010-01-12T00:29:36 <ronny> well packline/unpackline
29 2010-01-12T00:29:59 <xorAxAx> because thats how it is defined ... it is transmitted as a string
30 2010-01-12T00:30:18 <ronny> well, who defined it?
31 2010-01-12T00:31:42 <xorAxAx> guess
32 2010-01-12T00:32:11 <xorAxAx> it is used by nearly as many engines as wikirpc
33 2010-01-12T00:32:15 <xorAxAx> half as many in fact
34 2010-01-12T00:32:47 <xorAxAx> i havent seen any arguments against it, so i consider the case closed for today, good night :)
35 2010-01-12T00:32:51 <ronny> so its somehow part of wikirpc?
36 2010-01-12T00:33:02 <ronny> that explains at least something
37 2010-01-12T00:33:02 <xorAxAx> no, its part of wikisync
38 2010-01-12T00:33:11 <xorAxAx> and wikisync uses xmlrpc
39 2010-01-12T00:33:27 <ronny> xorAxAx: but wikisync is a moin specific thing, isnt it?
40 2010-01-12T00:33:35 <xorAxAx> wikirpc as well in some sense
41 2010-01-12T00:33:46 <xorAxAx> that was my point to confuse you
42 2010-01-12T00:34:07 <ronny> so its a moinmoin only thing thats just weird?
43 2010-01-12T00:35:37 <ronny> well, and its using different separators for different things
44 2010-01-12T01:28:56 *** vinci_
45 2010-01-12T09:18:23 *** vpv
46 2010-01-12T09:18:23 *** CIA-44
47 2010-01-12T09:18:23 *** dennda
48 2010-01-12T09:20:33 *** dennda
49 2010-01-12T09:20:33 *** CIA-44
50 2010-01-12T09:20:33 *** vpv
51 2010-01-12T10:13:47 <dreimark> moin
52 2010-01-12T10:24:27 <dreimark> xorAxAx: do you have an idea why xmlrpc always creates a new session file?
53 2010-01-12T10:56:23 <xorAxAx> dreimark: no idea
54 2010-01-12T10:56:37 <xorAxAx> maybe because the cookie isnt passed?
55 2010-01-12T11:52:03 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: how often do you call getAuthToken?
56 2010-01-12T12:48:25 <dreimark> once per day
57 2010-01-12T12:52:25 <dreimark> per script
58 2010-01-12T13:47:12 *** kursor
59 2010-01-12T15:36:32 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: so you have 1 new session file per day?
60 2010-01-12T18:37:00 <dreimark> well anyone using xmlrpc has 1 new session filer per script run. my scripts run once per day
61 2010-01-12T18:37:36 <dreimark> some others from colleagues run on every new data input
62 2010-01-12T18:37:56 <ThomasWaldmann> well, that is expected, you get a new session "per login"
63 2010-01-12T18:38:30 <ThomasWaldmann> you could remember the auth-token your script gets and reuse it
64 2010-01-12T18:38:44 <ThomasWaldmann> not sure whether that is worth the pain
65 2010-01-12T18:39:33 <ThomasWaldmann> we maybe rather need some good session cleanup script and run that now and then
66 2010-01-12T18:42:21 <dreimark> currently i ran the script i proposed http://moinmo.in/FeatureRequests/OnDemandDestroySession
67 2010-01-12T18:43:58 <ThomasWaldmann> that's too specific, it just targets one user
68 2010-01-12T18:43:59 <johill> not all script logins should actually end up with a session file though?
69 2010-01-12T18:44:16 <johill> I thought I took care that just requests wouldn't store a session if it was pretty much boring
70 2010-01-12T18:44:30 <ThomasWaldmann> a session cleanup script should rather cleanup ALL "old" sessionfiles
71 2010-01-12T18:45:55 <ThomasWaldmann> "old" could be defined as "the related cookie would've expired anyway"
72 2010-01-12T18:46:54 <dreimark> ah that sounds good
73 2010-01-12T18:47:19 <ThomasWaldmann> not sure that we already store all data needed for that into the session
74 2010-01-12T18:48:37 <dreimark> bbl
75 2010-01-12T18:56:16 *** grzywacz
76 2010-01-12T19:41:14 *** kursor
77 2010-01-12T19:54:43 *** franklin
78 2010-01-12T19:55:49 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: i currently work on session cleanup code
79 2010-01-12T19:56:31 <ThomasWaldmann> and I think I found a mission feature in werkzeug
80 2010-01-12T19:56:39 <ThomasWaldmann> ehrm, missING
81 2010-01-12T19:59:28 <TheSheep> what is it?
82 2010-01-12T20:00:05 <ThomasWaldmann> listing all session ids the session store has stored
83 2010-01-12T20:11:18 *** franklin_
84 2010-01-12T20:18:40 <TheSheep> what for?
85 2010-01-12T20:40:59 * dreimark updated svg-edit
86 2010-01-12T21:17:50 <ThomasWaldmann> TheSheep: to be able to clean up outdated session files
87 2010-01-12T21:18:48 <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: shouldn't that be rather a function of werkzeug?
88 2010-01-12T21:30:34 <ThomasWaldmann> yes, i said that :)
89 2010-01-12T21:36:21 <TheSheep> no, you wanted a list of sessions, I want a lifetime on a the session store
90 2010-01-12T21:36:51 <TheSheep> with maybe a 'purge' method
91 2010-01-12T21:43:31 <ThomasWaldmann> has to be seen whether that'ld work in werkzeug
92 2010-01-12T21:43:43 <ThomasWaldmann> the sessions can be custom classes
93 2010-01-12T22:27:18 <CIA-44> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 5425:bd55be7c3886 1.9/MoinMoin/ (web/session.py script/maint/cleansessions.py):
94 2010-01-12T22:27:18 <CIA-44> store expiry into sessions, moin maint cleansessions script, session enumeration support
95 2010-01-12T22:27:18 <CIA-44> Note:
96 2010-01-12T22:27:18 <CIA-44> at least the session enumeration support should be done in werkzeug, maybe even
97 2010-01-12T22:27:19 <CIA-44> the handling of expiry info and purging expired sessions
98 2010-01-12T22:27:23 <CIA-44> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 5426:63df8c7b82b2 1.9/MoinMoin/macro/__init__.py: merge main
99 2010-01-12T22:27:33 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: ^^
100 2010-01-12T22:28:52 * ThomasWaldmann tested with cookie_lifetime = (0, 0.01)
101 2010-01-12T22:28:57 <dreimark> hehe
102 2010-01-12T22:31:54 <ThomasWaldmann> hmm, one needs to run moin maint cleansessions --all once after installing the new code, otherwise it might miss the expires info
103 2010-01-12T22:36:49 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, we need to re-login :)
104 2010-01-12T22:40:22 <dreimark> should become a HINT
105 2010-01-12T22:41:36 <dreimark> that is also needed for the cookie change because that also invalidates all existing sessions
106 2010-01-12T22:42:19 <ThomasWaldmann> yeah
107 2010-01-12T22:42:50 <ThomasWaldmann> (not needed, but those sessions should be purged also, because they're useless then)
108 2010-01-12T22:43:23 <dreimark> yes
109 2010-01-12T22:44:41 <dreimark> moin maint migration data could do this so that there is no two calls neccessary
110 2010-01-12T22:45:53 <ThomasWaldmann> iirc the update docs recommend to clean the cache dir anyway
111 2010-01-12T22:46:06 <ThomasWaldmann> thus, this is not needed
112 2010-01-12T22:46:53 <dreimark> the cache dir yes but i think session aren't at least in the past
113 2010-01-12T22:47:04 <dreimark> not purged
114 2010-01-12T22:58:00 *** raphael_
115 2010-01-12T22:58:40 *** raphael_
116 2010-01-12T22:59:10 *** RaphaelBossek
117 2010-01-12T23:00:09 <RaphaelBossek> hi folks; I in progress to update CreatePdfAction plugin for MoinMoin 1.9 and have a question how to initiate a HTTP request from an action plugin and catch the output in a variable
118 2010-01-12T23:00:58 <ThomasWaldmann> hi raphael
119 2010-01-12T23:01:02 <RaphaelBossek> the new HTTP request goes to the same page as the action plugin is initiated with (?aciton=print) to get the page as "clean" HTML code of the page
120 2010-01-12T23:01:07 <RaphaelBossek> hi ThomasWaldmann
121 2010-01-12T23:01:41 <ThomasWaldmann> you can have that easier
122 2010-01-12T23:01:44 <RaphaelBossek> and forward the HTML output to htmldoc to create a PDF document
123 2010-01-12T23:02:00 <RaphaelBossek> where can I find an example or documentation ?
124 2010-01-12T23:02:25 <ThomasWaldmann> there is some render() (or so) call, that renders a page a catches the output
125 2010-01-12T23:03:07 <dreimark> RaphaelBossek: can you also look if it is possible to use svg graphics
126 2010-01-12T23:03:22 <dreimark> and get them converted to pdf
127 2010-01-12T23:04:12 <dreimark> currently all svg images are missing
128 2010-01-12T23:04:15 <ThomasWaldmann> wikiutil.renderText is one, but it needs a Parser class
129 2010-01-12T23:08:29 <ThomasWaldmann> RaphaelBossek: look at Page.parsePageLinks
130 2010-01-12T23:09:45 <ThomasWaldmann> # Render page into a buffer
131 2010-01-12T23:09:45 <ThomasWaldmann> result = self.request.redirectedOutput(page.send_page, content_only=1)
132 2010-01-12T23:09:49 <ThomasWaldmann> or just use that
133 2010-01-12T23:10:18 <RaphaelBossek> dreimark, because www.htmldoc.org is used it's not possible without a workarround
134 2010-01-12T23:11:06 <dreimark> http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/extensions/file/67b064b600e9/data/plugin/macro/CycleContent.py#l77 also an example
135 2010-01-12T23:11:21 <RaphaelBossek> dreimark, maybe some day I will find time to redesign this action plugin using http://www.reportlab.com/software/opensource/ library which support vectro graphices in it's profesional version
136 2010-01-12T23:12:16 <RaphaelBossek> dreimark, or someone know a better library for Python to support PDF generation, I would like to know; write to me http://moinmo.in/RaphaelBossek
137 2010-01-12T23:12:36 <dreimark> i currently implement the new version of svg-edit http://svg-edit.googlecode.com/svn/branches/2.4/editor/svg-editor.html
138 2010-01-12T23:13:34 <dreimark> as extension and in a further step as item in moin-2.0
139 2010-01-12T23:13:45 <ThomasWaldmann> a dom -> pdf converter for moin2 would be cool :)
140 2010-01-12T23:14:42 <dreimark> RaphaelBossek: it works great besides the svg problem
141 2010-01-12T23:14:46 <RaphaelBossek> ThomasWaldmann, it's the most important addon for MoinMoin in a profesional/comercial environment; without Moin would be acepted very well
142 2010-01-12T23:15:23 <RaphaelBossek> dreimark, HTMLDOC is ok but we are not able to offer PDF creation out-of-the-box because HTMLDOC have to be installed in parallel
143 2010-01-12T23:15:43 <RaphaelBossek> dreimark, it's a headacke for unexpirienced users...
144 2010-01-12T23:16:48 <dreimark> we decided to use svg for publications because of the propper scaling and because they are vector graphics
145 2010-01-12T23:17:37 <dreimark> so a workaround would help currently
146 2010-01-12T23:23:01 <RaphaelBossek> ThomasWaldmann, the Page.parsePageLinks function return the same as ?action=print; I mean without the MoinMoin borders/buttons/menus ?
147 2010-01-12T23:23:15 <dreimark> gn
148 2010-01-12T23:24:38 <RaphaelBossek> bye
149 2010-01-12T23:24:55 <ThomasWaldmann> maybe use the 2 lines i posted above, it is easier
150 2010-01-12T23:25:42 * ThomasWaldmann reads blog.fefe.de
151 2010-01-12T23:32:08 <RaphaelBossek> gn
152 2010-01-12T23:35:11 <ThomasWaldmann> gn RaphaelBossek
153 2010-01-12T23:36:15 *** RaphaelBossek
154 2010-01-12T23:44:12 *** grzywacz
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