MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2010-02-14

   1 2010-02-14T00:27:42  <dreimark> what is a pending footnote
   2 2010-02-14T00:33:47  <ThomasWaldmann> i guess a footnote that was collected, but not emitted?
   3 2010-02-14T00:39:28  <dreimark> how does this look like on a page
   4 2010-02-14T00:40:17  <ThomasWaldmann> if they don't get emitted, you have no footnotes at the end (or at the place you wanted them)
   5 2010-02-14T00:42:28  <ThomasWaldmann> btw, footnotes stuff has nothing todo with http stuff -> extra cs
   6 2010-02-14T00:43:21  * dreimark runs tests currently
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   8 2010-02-14T01:03:43  <dreimark> 1.9 changeset 5535 web.contexts: http_user_agent and http_referer to EnvironProxy added
   9 2010-02-14T01:03:50  <dreimark> cia is sleeping
  10 2010-02-14T01:08:10  <ThomasWaldmann> cia server is down
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  16 2010-02-14T12:02:08  * ThomasWaldmann tries to find some UnicodeDecodeError that sometimes happens on master18.moinmo.in in the theme header
  17 2010-02-14T12:31:50  <ThomasWaldmann> hmm, might be a configuration issue (that special header I use there)
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  19 2010-02-14T13:18:35  <ThomasWaldmann> btw, as moin/1.8 had less changes, I want to release that first, today evening. please do some testing if you have time.
  20 2010-02-14T13:18:46  * ThomasWaldmann must go now, bbl
  21 2010-02-14T13:49:19  <dreimark> me 2
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  24 2010-02-14T20:34:14  <ThomasWaldmann> re
  25 2010-02-14T20:55:00  <dreimark> re
  26 2010-02-14T21:06:43  <TheSheep> is this else: really supposed to be for the for: ?
  27 2010-02-14T21:06:45  <TheSheep> http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/1.9/file/ac5dc19e0a0e/MoinMoin/wsgiapp.py#l245
  28 2010-02-14T21:07:03  <TheSheep> I think it's the reason why ignore_browser_language fails
  29 2010-02-14T21:08:08  * TheSheep tries deindenting
  30 2010-02-14T21:09:17  <ThomasWaldmann> TheSheep: yes, for the for
  31 2010-02-14T21:09:30  <TheSheep> I see now
  32 2010-02-14T21:09:38  <TheSheep> but I guess we need an else: for the if too
  33 2010-02-14T21:09:46  <TheSheep> otherwise it always defaults to en
  34 2010-02-14T21:10:00  <TheSheep> ith ignore_browser_language=True
  35 2010-02-14T21:10:14  <TheSheep> with
  36 2010-02-14T21:13:14  <ThomasWaldmann> the code in the else branch should move to higher level
  37 2010-02-14T21:13:50  <TheSheep> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/177942/
  38 2010-02-14T21:13:53  <TheSheep> something like this
  39 2010-02-14T21:14:38  <TheSheep> (with tyhe cfg = ... moved too, of course)
  40 2010-02-14T21:15:44  <ThomasWaldmann> no
  41 2010-02-14T21:16:02  <ThomasWaldmann> 18..21 needs indenting
  42 2010-02-14T21:16:40  <TheSheep> then it returns None if i18.languages is empty
  43 2010-02-14T21:16:51  <ThomasWaldmann> 22..24 outdent and another if not long
  44 2010-02-14T21:16:53  <ThomasWaldmann> lang
  45 2010-02-14T21:18:10  <TheSheep> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/177943/ <-- like this?
  46 2010-02-14T21:18:24  <TheSheep> code duplication and checking of the same condition multiple times...
  47 2010-02-14T21:19:05  <ThomasWaldmann> no, that was too much
  48 2010-02-14T21:20:22  <TheSheep> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/177944/ <-- like this?
  49 2010-02-14T21:22:27  <ThomasWaldmann> wait, I'll edit it
  50 2010-02-14T21:25:16  <ThomasWaldmann> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/177946/
  51 2010-02-14T21:27:57  <TheSheep> I thought you will commit it :)
  52 2010-02-14T21:28:00  <TheSheep> shall I?
  53 2010-02-14T21:28:31  <TheSheep> (it works now)
  54 2010-02-14T21:30:32  <TheSheep> I pushed it
  55 2010-02-14T21:30:51  <ThomasWaldmann> ok, thanks
  56 2010-02-14T21:31:07  <ThomasWaldmann> btw, that's 2nd fix to that code, hopefully we got it right now :P
  57 2010-02-14T21:31:18  <ThomasWaldmann> please check 1.8 also
  58 2010-02-14T21:32:20  <TheSheep> operation pending...
  59 2010-02-14T21:34:29  <TheSheep> 1.8 works fine
  60 2010-02-14T21:34:35  <TheSheep> no bug
  61 2010-02-14T21:36:39  <ThomasWaldmann> huh?
  62 2010-02-14T21:36:50  <ThomasWaldmann> isn't the code the same?
  63 2010-02-14T21:36:54  <TheSheep> that code was new in 1.9
  64 2010-02-14T21:37:00  <ThomasWaldmann> oh, ok
  65 2010-02-14T21:37:00  <TheSheep> the whole wsgiapp.py
  66 2010-02-14T22:14:16  <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: can I get access to http://moinmo.in/GoogleSoc2010/InitialProjectIdeas please?
  67 2010-02-14T22:26:05  <dreimark> TheSheep: should I add you to the mentor group ?
  68 2010-02-14T22:27:33  <TheSheep> dreimark: yes, please
  69 2010-02-14T22:27:47  <TheSheep> dreimark: I'd like at least see the ideas :D
  70 2010-02-14T22:28:26  <dreimark> TheSheep: done
  71 2010-02-14T22:28:32  <TheSheep> thanks
  72 2010-02-14T22:51:45  <ThomasWaldmann> ok, so 1.8 is fine or has anybody something pending?
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  75 2010-02-14T22:58:08  <dreimark> not me
  76 2010-02-14T23:03:50  <TheSheep> I'm fine
  77 2010-02-14T23:09:06  <ThomasWaldmann> f2355474080c475997f2f8109911d7d4  moin-1.8.7.tar.gz
  78 2010-02-14T23:09:48  <ThomasWaldmann> http://static.moinmo.in/files/moin-1.8.7.tar.gz
  79 2010-02-14T23:10:48  * dreimark fetches
  80 2010-02-14T23:20:56  <TheSheep> do you think that a 'text-based configuration file' for moin2 would be a good idea for gsoc?
  81 2010-02-14T23:21:13  <TheSheep> possibly merged with the installer
  82 2010-02-14T23:22:08  <TheSheep> text config has some advantages, including the possibility of modifying it programmatically
  83 2010-02-14T23:23:34  <ThomasWaldmann> i don't like that
  84 2010-02-14T23:24:11  <ThomasWaldmann> and for the installer stuff, I'll vote against it, except if there is a very specific plan about it
  85 2010-02-14T23:25:12  <ThomasWaldmann> also, for moin2 we need lots of other stuff before we need an installer
  86 2010-02-14T23:26:29  <TheSheep> true
  87 2010-02-14T23:27:14  <TheSheep> getting the plugin system at least cleaned up (not necessarily completely overhauled) would be nice
  88 2010-02-14T23:28:08  <ThomasWaldmann> i am rather for a rewrite, with static htdocs, registering, per plugin
  89 2010-02-14T23:28:28  <ThomasWaldmann> we need to touch many of those plugins anyway, so it is a good time
  90 2010-02-14T23:29:24  <TheSheep> I just wrote about it on the wiki, but I will say it here too. I was recently working a little with Trac, and they have pretty advanced plugin system
  91 2010-02-14T23:29:52  <TheSheep> the plugins are basically separate python packages, installed as eggs (or any other way you like)
  92 2010-02-14T23:30:04  <TheSheep> and providing entry points through setuptools
  93 2010-02-14T23:30:35  <TheSheep> you have to list the plugins you want enabled in given instance in its config
  94 2010-02-14T23:31:24  <TheSheep> another possibility would be to do something similar to the auth plugins
  95 2010-02-14T23:31:40  <TheSheep> that is, you just import and initialize the plugin yourself in the wikiconfig
  96 2010-02-14T23:32:19  <TheSheep> import MoinMoin.plugins;  class Config(...): theme = ModernizedTheme(colorscheme="gray")
  97 2010-02-14T23:33:09  <TheSheep> or more like available_themes = { 'modernized gray': MoinMoin.plugins.ModernizedTheme(colorscheme="gray"), ... }
  98 2010-02-14T23:34:05  <ThomasWaldmann> that'ld get rather verbose
  99 2010-02-14T23:34:16  <ThomasWaldmann> esp. for the lots of macros, actions
 100 2010-02-14T23:34:19  <TheSheep> the defaults would go to multiconfig
 101 2010-02-14T23:34:47  <TheSheep> I suppose the internal ones would get initialized with some code
 102 2010-02-14T23:34:57  <TheSheep> you could del them in your config then
 103 2010-02-14T23:35:07  <TheSheep> to disable
 104 2010-02-14T23:36:02  * dreimark would vote for something which makes it more attractive to write and share plugins
 105 2010-02-14T23:36:15  <dreimark> eggs sounds interesting
 106 2010-02-14T23:36:33  <TheSheep> dreimark: one problem with eggs is when you have several versions of moin installed
 107 2010-02-14T23:37:02  <TheSheep> ronny: you said someone want to give up on eggs?
 108 2010-02-14T23:37:11  <TheSheep> wants
 109 2010-02-14T23:37:41  <dreimark> depends where the egg installs to. if it is into the scope of the wiki it won't matter. but you need then eggs for different versions
 110 2010-02-14T23:38:10  <TheSheep> dreimark: that;s the complicated and confusing part
 111 2010-02-14T23:38:26  <ronny> TheSheep: we want to kill them in distribute 0.7
 112 2010-02-14T23:38:32  <TheSheep> dreimark: you can install eggs anywahere you want, but people don't know it and just do 'easy_install foo'
 113 2010-02-14T23:39:21  <TheSheep> dreimark: plus, it's a lot of magic to learn about entry points and other setuptools weirdness
 114 2010-02-14T23:39:26  <ronny> TheSheep: i suppose what you want is zipped distributions in a directory, python can deal with that fine
 115 2010-02-14T23:39:41  <TheSheep> ronny: you mean what comes out of
 116 2010-02-14T23:39:48  <TheSheep> setup.py bdist ?
 117 2010-02-14T23:40:23  <ronny> TheSheep: kind of, remidn me of it after wendsday (last exam then)
 118 2010-02-14T23:40:37  <TheSheep> ronny: cool, good luck
 119 2010-02-14T23:40:51  <TheSheep> (yeah, I know it's not luck, but luck is good too)
 120 2010-02-14T23:41:05  <ronny> ;[
 121 2010-02-14T23:41:15  <ronny> TheSheep: wish for sucess!
 122 2010-02-14T23:41:45  <TheSheep> have a success then
 123 2010-02-14T23:41:50  <ronny> :)
 124 2010-02-14T23:42:39  <ronny> at least on my uni luck vs sucess wishes its a goodm etrics to tell apart should care about people and shouldnt care about people
 125 2010-02-14T23:44:04  <TheSheep> I assume that you take care about preparation, so all that's left is luck :)
 126 2010-02-14T23:44:25  <TheSheep> and luck is always needed
 127 2010-02-14T23:44:38  <ronny> its algebra related `^^
 128 2010-02-14T23:45:21  <TheSheep> my favorite
 129 2010-02-14T23:49:00  <ronny> well, im unsure about that exam
 130 2010-02-14T23:50:18  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: looks good
 131 2010-02-14T23:50:37  <ThomasWaldmann> ok, I'll prepare the wiki pages.
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