1 2010-04-21T00:40:47 *** _buck
2 2010-04-21T00:42:07 <_buck> ThomasWaldmann : Can you suggest a good command line IRC client?
3 2010-04-21T00:45:17 *** _buck
4 2010-04-21T00:48:50 *** _buck
5 2010-04-21T00:50:19 *** _buck
6 2010-04-21T00:51:07 *** JosefMeier
7 2010-04-21T00:55:34 *** _buck
8 2010-04-21T00:56:28 * _buck would like to know link for a nice ircii tutorial;
9 2010-04-21T00:56:36 <xorAxAx> _buck: use irssi
10 2010-04-21T00:56:40 <xorAxAx> or weechat
11 2010-04-21T00:56:44 <xorAxAx> not ircii
12 2010-04-21T00:56:48 <_buck> okay
13 2010-04-21T00:58:47 <_buck> yes
14 2010-04-21T00:59:07 <_buck> I also didn't ask , thought they are kept from students.
15 2010-04-21T00:59:48 * _buck will be back from xchat
16 2010-04-21T00:59:51 <_buck> quit
17 2010-04-21T00:59:55 *** _buck
18 2010-04-21T01:00:19 *** _buck
19 2010-04-21T01:03:53 *** eraser029
20 2010-04-21T01:38:00 *** ValentinJaniaut
21 2010-04-21T01:38:13 *** ValentinJaniaut
22 2010-04-21T02:09:12 *** eraser029
23 2010-04-21T02:29:07 *** _buck
24 2010-04-21T03:08:47 *** mikema
25 2010-04-21T03:08:56 *** mikema
26 2010-04-21T03:23:09 *** AshishG
27 2010-04-21T03:23:58 * AshishG is not dead, just tied up with semester end formalities and deadlines.
28 2010-04-21T03:24:44 * AshishG will be back tonight (most probably) for some time.
29 2010-04-21T03:24:51 *** AshishG
30 2010-04-21T05:15:59 *** kursor
31 2010-04-21T05:31:15 *** kursor
32 2010-04-21T08:14:20 *** ValentinJaniaut_
33 2010-04-21T08:14:20 *** ValentinJaniaut
34 2010-04-21T08:14:21 *** ValentinJaniaut_
35 2010-04-21T08:36:41 *** gwork
36 2010-04-21T09:42:43 *** moin4_
37 2010-04-21T09:43:18 <moin4_> ThomasWaldmann: hi
38 2010-04-21T09:43:25 <moin4_> all: hi
39 2010-04-21T09:45:55 <moin4_> i've created a bitbucket.org mirror of 2.0-storage plus started on mirror for relevant themes (i think this make make it easier for people to fork and patch)
40 2010-04-21T09:46:17 <moin4_> i'd like to make sure that at least one of the core devs has admin access to these repos on bitbucket.org
41 2010-04-21T09:46:22 <moin4_> is anyone registered there?
42 2010-04-21T10:00:21 *** eSyr
43 2010-04-21T10:02:03 <ThomasWaldmann> moin
44 2010-04-21T10:02:23 <eSyr> moin
45 2010-04-21T10:18:21 <ThomasWaldmann> moin4_: i recently created an account there for non-moin stuff
46 2010-04-21T10:25:23 <ThomasWaldmann> moin4_: thomaswaldmann is my account
47 2010-04-21T10:49:34 *** mikema
48 2010-04-21T10:49:57 *** mikema
49 2010-04-21T10:59:10 *** JosefMeier
50 2010-04-21T11:14:19 *** _buck
51 2010-04-21T11:33:51 <dreimark> moin
52 2010-04-21T11:35:23 <moin4_> ThomasWaldmann: i've added you as an admin on both repos ...
53 2010-04-21T11:35:29 *** eSyr
54 2010-04-21T11:35:57 <moin4_> Should i mention the existence of this mirror on Storage page? Also i will aim to set up a cron job that regularly pushes to that mirror ...
55 2010-04-21T11:36:01 <dreimark> moin4_: what is your real name ?
56 2010-04-21T11:36:33 <moin4_> i also think the themes repo could be very useful -- even as a fairly sophisticated user I can find it hard to work out how to get theme easily (esp + patches)
57 2010-04-21T11:36:46 <moin4_> dreimark: i'm rgrp (Rufus Pollock)
58 2010-04-21T11:36:59 <moin4_> i tried joining this channel with my proper irc client (irssi)
59 2010-04-21T11:37:17 <moin4_> (But had problems -- my main server is irc.oftc.net ...)
60 2010-04-21T11:38:17 <dreimark> ah ok
61 2010-04-21T11:44:50 * dreimark we should collect services which can do something similiar to
62 2010-04-21T11:44:53 <dreimark> http://saucelabs.com/how-it-works
63 2010-04-21T11:45:33 <dreimark> TheSheep: that is interesting at the time we have some more jinja2 stuff available
64 2010-04-21T11:45:56 <dreimark> also i likly want it cheap
65 2010-04-21T11:49:27 <moin4_> i did try hacking on the jinja stuff btw (spoke with Waldmann about this a while ago)
66 2010-04-21T11:49:38 <moin4_> not that easy to find out where to start there btw ;)
67 2010-04-21T11:54:41 <TheSheep> I try to keep my themes in repositories
68 2010-04-21T11:54:48 <TheSheep> and to link to them on the theme market
69 2010-04-21T11:55:02 <TheSheep> much better than just uploading tarballs
70 2010-04-21T11:55:27 *** _buck
71 2010-04-21T11:55:59 <ThomasWaldmann> moin4_: you know we have a moin/extensions repo for some non-core stuff?
72 2010-04-21T11:56:38 <TheSheep> it's not svn, keeping everything in one repo is not convenient
73 2010-04-21T11:58:13 <TheSheep> dreimark: I'm not sure we will want to test jinja2 itself, I think we can be pretty sure it does what it promises.
74 2010-04-21T11:59:56 <ThomasWaldmann> TheSheep: well, as it is called moin-themes, it sounds like some themes should end up being done there
75 2010-04-21T12:00:21 <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: where?
76 2010-04-21T12:00:26 <ThomasWaldmann> i had moved some theme that i personally needed to moin/extensions
77 2010-04-21T12:00:49 <ThomasWaldmann> (i meant bitbucket moin-themes from moin4_ )
78 2010-04-21T12:01:16 <ThomasWaldmann> we have to be a bit careful that users don't get confused about where to find good stuff
79 2010-04-21T12:01:47 <TheSheep> there should be one way to do it
80 2010-04-21T12:02:00 <ThomasWaldmann> so maybe we could just add those themes to moin/extensions also and clone that to bitbucket
81 2010-04-21T12:05:34 <TheSheep> yeah, lets have hundreds of places to keep them, that will avoid confusion
82 2010-04-21T12:06:24 <ThomasWaldmann> :P
83 2010-04-21T12:06:45 <ThomasWaldmann> i guess moin4_'s intention was to use more revision control
84 2010-04-21T12:07:05 <ThomasWaldmann> which is a good idea
85 2010-04-21T12:07:35 <ThomasWaldmann> if he likes to manage the bitbucket repo (and merge back stuff from other repos there), that would be fine
86 2010-04-21T12:07:53 <ThomasWaldmann> and if it was a clone of our repo, we could merge back from that one
87 2010-04-21T12:08:55 <TheSheep> I think it's better for each theme to have a single 'main' repository, linked from theme market
88 2010-04-21T12:10:14 <ThomasWaldmann> hmm, then you need lots of repos for extensions
89 2010-04-21T12:10:30 <ThomasWaldmann> well, as they are cheap, maybe not a problem
90 2010-04-21T12:10:49 <TheSheep> not necessarily, you can keep multiple extensions in one repository
91 2010-04-21T12:11:04 <TheSheep> like that moin-themes repo that has two themes right now
92 2010-04-21T12:11:20 <TheSheep> just for each plugin have a single 'master' repo
93 2010-04-21T12:12:02 <ThomasWaldmann> moin4_: what do you like to do with moin-storage?
94 2010-04-21T12:27:21 <JosefMeier> I think I found the place where the slowdown occurs in 1.9.2 : http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/1.9/file/c7dd42405e5a/MoinMoin/security/__init__.py#l323
95 2010-04-21T12:28:15 <JosefMeier> Debugging and timediff measurments show, that there and in the line after time diffs of around 17ms occur very often
96 2010-04-21T12:28:29 <JosefMeier> in 1.8.4 regular expressions are used in this line and no delays occur
97 2010-04-21T12:29:04 <JosefMeier> looks very clear for me
98 2010-04-21T12:30:07 <ThomasWaldmann> JosefMeier: looks like new group code maybe. soc project of last year.
99 2010-04-21T12:30:48 <ThomasWaldmann> maybe directly debug / profile that code
100 2010-04-21T12:31:08 <ThomasWaldmann> see MoinMoin/datastruct
101 2010-04-21T12:31:09 <JosefMeier> I don't understand why a string compare is so slow
102 2010-04-21T12:32:04 <ThomasWaldmann> it is a group membership check, not a string compare
103 2010-04-21T12:32:35 <dreimark> JosefMeier: groups is a set
104 2010-04-21T12:32:40 <ThomasWaldmann> see what request.groups is and how "x in request.groups[groupname] is done
105 2010-04-21T12:33:23 <JosefMeier> Hm. Why did you change group code? Isn't that something very big in Moin code?
106 2010-04-21T12:33:35 <ThomasWaldmann> because old was crap :)
107 2010-04-21T12:33:42 <ThomasWaldmann> and inflexible
108 2010-04-21T12:33:48 <dreimark> we refactored wikidicts and that was ^
109 2010-04-21T12:34:09 <ThomasWaldmann> new is rather nice code (maybe not bug-free yet, though) and is flexible for other backends
110 2010-04-21T12:34:13 <dreimark> and very difficult to debug
111 2010-04-21T12:34:28 <JosefMeier> dreimark: the old or the new one?
112 2010-04-21T12:34:37 <dreimark> the old was wikidict
113 2010-04-21T12:34:41 <ThomasWaldmann> if those 17ms happen rather often, it should be checked for efficiency
114 2010-04-21T12:35:15 <dreimark> and this was ugly, hard to understand, to debug and there was no chance to extend it without breaking something
115 2010-04-21T12:35:29 <JosefMeier> ThomasWaldmann: It's not reproducible but it happens much more often in 1.9.2 than in 1.8.x
116 2010-04-21T12:35:30 <ThomasWaldmann> JosefMeier: maybe you could contact its author and invite him for debugging :)
117 2010-04-21T12:35:52 <ThomasWaldmann> MoinMoin:DmitrijsMilajevs
118 2010-04-21T12:36:07 <JosefMeier> ThomasWaldmann: Do you think this group stuff is hard to debug?
119 2010-04-21T12:36:30 <ThomasWaldmann> no, but maybe talk to him nevertheless :)
120 2010-04-21T12:37:06 <JosefMeier> hm. ok. will try to get more debug info later in the afternoon. Have a 2h meeting beginning from 1pm
121 2010-04-21T12:37:39 <ThomasWaldmann> JosefMeier: try what happens if you use a config group
122 2010-04-21T12:37:45 <dreimark> TheSheep: i meant not testing jinja2 just looking on a theme by different browsers
123 2010-04-21T12:38:03 <JosefMeier> ThomasWaldmann: what do you mean? where and how?
124 2010-04-21T12:38:13 <dreimark> see config snippets
125 2010-04-21T12:38:17 <ThomasWaldmann> if it suddenly gets fast then, you have found a problem in wiki_groups
126 2010-04-21T12:38:47 <dreimark> JosefMeier: http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/1.9/file/c7dd42405e5a/wiki/config/more_samples/groups_wikiconfig_snippet
127 2010-04-21T12:40:05 <ThomasWaldmann> lines 10..15
128 2010-04-21T12:40:57 <JosefMeier> and what should I do there?
129 2010-04-21T12:42:08 <ThomasWaldmann> if you use config groups, the code that deals with groups gets rather simple
130 2010-04-21T12:42:38 <ThomasWaldmann> and likely also very fast, because it is just some ready-to-use python data structure and never changes while moin is running
131 2010-04-21T12:43:02 <ThomasWaldmann> wiki groups are more complicated, because they are on wiki pages, need parsing, etc.
132 2010-04-21T12:43:28 <JosefMeier> what are situations when I shouldn't use config groups?
133 2010-04-21T12:43:54 <ThomasWaldmann> if you want to edit them via wiki pages :)
134 2010-04-21T12:48:48 * ThomasWaldmann gtg/bbl
135 2010-04-21T14:44:10 *** mikema
136 2010-04-21T14:44:17 *** mikema
137 2010-04-21T15:12:25 <JosefMeier> dreimark: Could you give me a hint for what I must do to "use config groups" ?
138 2010-04-21T15:13:32 <dreimark> you just add the example to your wikiconfig
139 2010-04-21T15:14:23 <ThomasWaldmann> (12:40) < ThomasWal> lines 10..15
140 2010-04-21T15:14:45 <dreimark> yes, i was refering to these lines
141 2010-04-21T15:16:45 <JosefMeier> ah ok. But then page ACLs will be ignored for this test?
142 2010-04-21T15:18:15 <dreimark> no
143 2010-04-21T15:19:00 <dreimark> you need to be a member in the group
144 2010-04-21T15:19:39 <dreimark> see SystemAdmin du user browser
145 2010-04-21T15:20:16 <dreimark> s/du/do/
146 2010-04-21T15:20:55 <dreimark> bbl
147 2010-04-21T15:26:56 *** _buck
148 2010-04-21T15:47:03 *** kursor
149 2010-04-21T15:56:36 *** kursor
150 2010-04-21T16:18:26 <JosefMeier> bbl
151 2010-04-21T16:18:36 *** JosefMeier
152 2010-04-21T16:35:48 *** moin4_
153 2010-04-21T16:42:01 *** _buck
154 2010-04-21T17:01:48 *** Ashish
155 2010-04-21T17:26:53 *** Ashish
156 2010-04-21T17:27:30 *** Ashish
157 2010-04-21T18:16:37 *** kursor
158 2010-04-21T18:21:28 *** DmitryAndreev_
159 2010-04-21T18:24:18 *** DmitryAndreev
160 2010-04-21T18:27:39 *** JosefMeier
161 2010-04-21T18:28:46 <JosefMeier> dreimark, ThomasWaldmann: with wiki_groups page access is incredibly fast
162 2010-04-21T18:30:15 <JosefMeier> there seems to be a performance issue in the group code
163 2010-04-21T18:45:24 *** JosefMeier
164 2010-04-21T19:00:52 *** kursor
165 2010-04-21T19:06:47 *** diofeher
166 2010-04-21T19:18:39 <ValentinJaniaut> hello,
167 2010-04-21T19:19:04 <ValentinJaniaut> de you think you will support math function rendering natively for Moin2 ??
168 2010-04-21T19:31:46 <dreimark> re
169 2010-04-21T19:33:00 <dreimark> ValentinJaniaut: in the extension repo is a mathran parser
170 2010-04-21T19:33:11 <dreimark> do you have something special in mind?
171 2010-04-21T19:33:46 <ValentinJaniaut> dreimark: I need to write a report for a math course, and I will need to display nice Math formula
172 2010-04-21T19:34:14 <ValentinJaniaut> dreimark: using Mathran is nice, however it won't work with DocBook export !
173 2010-04-21T19:34:39 <dreimark> ValentinJaniaut: it creates a png in sendcache and display it
174 2010-04-21T19:34:43 <ValentinJaniaut> dreimark: and using mathml in DocBook is quite complicate
175 2010-04-21T19:35:10 *** moin0
176 2010-04-21T19:35:17 <ValentinJaniaut> dreimark: yep, but I om not sure that DocBook will handl the PNG correctly, it won't display it at the correct place most of time
177 2010-04-21T19:35:28 <dreimark> http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/extensions/file/64d08878782b/data/plugin/parser/text_x_mathtran.py
178 2010-04-21T19:36:17 <dreimark> in that dir is also a inline_latex which you use as #format parameter
179 2010-04-21T19:36:41 <moin0> dreimark: sorry: I wanted to say that with configgroups page access is very fast. with wikigroups its slow. so something isn't very performant in there.
180 2010-04-21T19:36:45 <dreimark> and then you can write wiki markup and by $\alpha$ you get an alpha sign
181 2010-04-21T19:37:09 <ValentinJaniaut> dreimark: yep, but do you plan to support officialy one of these method for moin2 ?
182 2010-04-21T19:37:10 <dreimark> moin0: i have transformed it to this
183 2010-04-21T19:37:25 <dreimark> we haven't discussed yet
184 2010-04-21T19:37:29 <dreimark> ValentinJaniaut: ^
185 2010-04-21T19:37:36 <ValentinJaniaut> dreimark: ok !
186 2010-04-21T19:37:43 <dreimark> mathran uses an external service
187 2010-04-21T19:37:52 <ValentinJaniaut> dreimark: I do not like so much mathran
188 2010-04-21T19:37:58 <dreimark> and it is quite safe for every other server
189 2010-04-21T19:38:13 <dreimark> latex can't be used on the same server it is quite insecure
190 2010-04-21T19:38:23 <ValentinJaniaut> dreimark: I quite like MathML, but it requires extensions to work correctly
191 2010-04-21T19:38:39 <dreimark> i mean it is difficult to get is safe
192 2010-04-21T19:38:49 <ValentinJaniaut> dreimark: I will see what is the easiest solution to be displayed correctly in a DocBook document
193 2010-04-21T19:39:00 <ValentinJaniaut> dreimark: this my biggest priority
194 2010-04-21T19:39:22 <dreimark> i have nothing against doint something different, it should be just as easy as latex
195 2010-04-21T19:39:38 <dreimark> because scientific people use latex for publications
196 2010-04-21T19:40:52 *** moin0
197 2010-04-21T19:41:04 <ValentinJaniaut> dreimark: yep, I personally use LaTeX
198 2010-04-21T19:41:40 <ValentinJaniaut> dreimark: but, it is really good to be able to write document from the wiki and then process it into LaTeX (and so PDF) vio DocBook !
199 2010-04-21T19:42:08 * dreimark likes that
200 2010-04-21T19:42:16 <dreimark> often i am asked if we can do this
201 2010-04-21T19:42:42 <dreimark> and currently i can only do a document by create_PDF Document
202 2010-04-21T19:42:45 <dreimark> brb
203 2010-04-21T19:43:14 <ValentinJaniaut> dreimark: I did it for 3 reports already, always really nice result, with almost no any post-Processing operation,
204 2010-04-21T19:43:32 <ValentinJaniaut> dreimark: using db2latex, you can really obtain whatever result you want
205 2010-04-21T19:52:58 <dreimark> re
206 2010-04-21T19:53:15 <dreimark> ValentinJaniaut: that sound very good
207 2010-04-21T19:53:24 <dreimark> do you have an idea if svg graphics also can be used
208 2010-04-21T19:54:37 <dreimark> i want people use svg on the web instead of ps/pdf converted to png
209 2010-04-21T19:59:28 <ValentinJaniaut> dreimark: I am quite interested in, however I did not took time to find a solution
210 2010-04-21T19:59:42 <ValentinJaniaut> dreimark: I know that it is possible to embed SWG directly inside of DocBook
211 2010-04-21T20:00:27 <ValentinJaniaut> dreimark: so, we need to see how to keep the SVG in a page, with the new DOM tree it should be possible, without big trouble
212 2010-04-21T20:06:11 *** dreimark
213 2010-04-21T20:12:08 *** gwork
214 2010-04-21T20:13:22 *** JosefMeier
215 2010-04-21T20:13:32 *** moin_dreimark
216 2010-04-21T20:13:40 *** moinmoin|dreimar
217 2010-04-21T20:31:19 <JosefMeier> dreimark: ThomasWaldmann : the locking mechanism is the problem
218 2010-04-21T20:31:40 <JosefMeier> aquiring a lock takes too long on windows
219 2010-04-21T20:32:11 <moin|dreimark> JosefMeier: aha - how can it be fasten up ?
220 2010-04-21T20:33:13 <JosefMeier> why is locking different for posix and windows? locks are handled different for posix/windows. why?
221 2010-04-21T20:34:01 <JosefMeier> btw: I found the problem in the code, which locks the group cache file
222 2010-04-21T20:35:55 <moin|dreimark> because non posix filesystems misses some features
223 2010-04-21T20:36:06 <moin|dreimark> for example the inode concept
224 2010-04-21T20:37:00 <JosefMeier> puh
225 2010-04-21T20:43:05 *** dreimark
226 2010-04-21T20:44:58 *** _buck
227 2010-04-21T20:46:20 <JosefMeier> dreimark: is support for win95/98/me really required?
228 2010-04-21T20:51:36 *** _buck
229 2010-04-21T20:54:33 <JosefMeier> dreimark: cause in the lock.py file is a comment which says, that the current lock implementation is not perfect but needed for win95/win98/win me. I would doubt that these os are widely spread today.
230 2010-04-21T20:56:39 <JosefMeier> btw: my data directory is full of __lock__ directories which are rather old
231 2010-04-21T20:56:51 <JosefMeier> seems as if they never are deleted
232 2010-04-21T20:57:17 <JosefMeier> maybe this is a problem, cause then we always run in timeouts?
233 2010-04-21T20:57:53 <JosefMeier> ... run in timeouts if the lock mechanism for windows can't create the lock cause a old one ever exists.
234 2010-04-21T20:58:08 <dreimark> JosefMeier: i am currently at a irc meeting
235 2010-04-21T20:59:01 <JosefMeier> dreimark: all cache directories in my data folder have old __lock__ directories in it!
236 2010-04-21T21:03:36 <JosefMeier> ok. my theory seems to be wrong. cause moin also creates directories inside of the __lock__ dir. and this subdirs are the real lockfiles.
237 2010-04-21T21:33:02 <JosefMeier> maybe my 17ms are the access time of my hard disk.
238 2010-04-21T21:33:48 <JosefMeier> and maybe it makes sense to get the list of pages in a single transaction which only locks the group cache file once since the transaction is finished.
239 2010-04-21T21:34:15 <JosefMeier> and not for every page access again and again
240 2010-04-21T21:55:48 *** JosefMeier
241 2010-04-21T21:58:05 *** JosefMeier
242 2010-04-21T22:22:52 *** moin9
243 2010-04-21T22:24:04 *** JosefMeier
244 2010-04-21T22:29:44 *** dreimark
245 2010-04-21T22:29:48 *** moin|dreimark
246 2010-04-21T22:37:01 <moin9> Maybe the cross platform python module "portalocker" provides a better locking mechanism. http://code.activestate.com/recipes/65203/
247 2010-04-21T22:37:09 *** moin9
248 2010-04-21T22:37:41 <JosefMeier> it doesn't work on win95/win98 but ... who cares?
249 2010-04-21T22:38:26 <JosefMeier> Here's also a way for file locking under windows with python (in german): http://aktuell.de.selfhtml.org/artikel/programmiertechnik/dateisperren/python.htm
250 2010-04-21T22:39:06 <JosefMeier> both techniques don't use lock files but file system mechanisms similar to flock
251 2010-04-21T22:40:52 <dreimark> hi
252 2010-04-21T22:42:16 <dreimark> sounds interesting, needed to be compared to the stuff we currently do
253 2010-04-21T22:44:41 <JosefMeier> I don't know if file system locking is faster than directory locking but it's maybe worth a look. I'm no locking specialist but I would at least recommend myself for testing new mechanisms on my windows systems
254 2010-04-21T23:01:27 <JosefMeier> dreimark: Do you think, flock would be faster than directory locking?
255 2010-04-21T23:01:36 <JosefMeier> ... on posix systems
256 2010-04-21T23:01:39 <JosefMeier> ?
257 2010-04-21T23:03:23 <dreimark> we should wait for waldi opinion (at least me does)
258 2010-04-21T23:03:47 <dreimark> i think he knows it me must try or read
259 2010-04-21T23:05:13 <JosefMeier> dreimark: waldi = waldi or ThomasWaldmann ?
260 2010-04-21T23:07:41 <dreimark> JosefMeier: waldi is BastianBlank
261 2010-04-21T23:12:37 <JosefMeier> ok
262 2010-04-21T23:14:19 <diofeher> i'm leaving now... good night you all :)
263 2010-04-21T23:14:28 *** diofeher
264 2010-04-21T23:22:35 <ThomasWaldmann> re
265 2010-04-21T23:27:32 *** JosefMeier
266 2010-04-21T23:29:53 *** JosefMeier
267 2010-04-21T23:31:31 <JosefMeier> ThomasWaldmann: have you reviewed the python lock module "portalocker" before implementing the moin lock code?
268 2010-04-21T23:40:20 *** JosefMeier
269 2010-04-21T23:44:01 *** moin7
270 2010-04-21T23:44:04 *** moin7
271 2010-04-21T23:45:14 <ThomasWaldmann> JosefMeier: name sounds familiar, but i can't remember
272 2010-04-21T23:47:59 <JosefMeier> If I uncomment the line http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/1.9/file/c7dd42405e5a/MoinMoin/caching.py#l195 everything is rocket fast
273 2010-04-21T23:48:56 <JosefMeier> It would be very interesting to check if file system locking is faster than moin's current locking method.
274 2010-04-21T23:49:57 <JosefMeier> in both methods the os must read the file from the harddisk. so harddisk access time will always occur, isn't it?
275 2010-04-21T23:50:39 *** xorAxAx
276 2010-04-21T23:51:35 <JosefMeier> this should also happen with posix's flock method. but that's only an assumption from me
277 2010-04-21T23:57:13 <ThomasWaldmann> you use linux or windows?
278 2010-04-21T23:59:06 <JosefMeier> windows
