1 2010-11-05T05:18:41 *** kursor
2 2010-11-05T07:43:42 <dreimark> moin
3 2010-11-05T10:06:19 *** kursor
4 2010-11-05T11:42:08 <ThomasWaldmann> moin
5 2010-11-05T12:42:49 *** greg_f
6 2010-11-05T16:22:28 <ThomasWaldmann> Congratulations, your application for MoinMoin as a mentoring organization for Google Code-in 2010 has been accepted!
7 2010-11-05T16:50:42 <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: dreimark: did you get an admin invitation for gci or something?
8 2010-11-05T16:54:50 <ronny> i suppose we dont have news on the tickets? im rather nervos on that one
9 2010-11-05T16:55:14 <ThomasWaldmann> what tickets? :P
10 2010-11-05T16:59:30 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, we need mentors for gci
11 2010-11-05T17:01:01 <ThomasWaldmann> (so if you enjoy working with younger geeks on multiple, but smaller tasks (compared to Google SOC), tell now :)
12 2010-11-05T17:06:12 <ThomasWaldmann> Sent On: 2010-11-05 16:05:32.793131
13 2010-11-05T17:06:19 <ThomasWaldmann> yay, microseconds!!11
14 2010-11-05T17:07:21 <ThomasWaldmann> hehe, Gender: male, female, other
15 2010-11-05T17:12:16 <ronny> ThomasWaldmann: how would i have to coach them? i think you are well aware of the difference between what i wanted to do for moin, and what i managed so far
16 2010-11-05T17:12:47 <ThomasWaldmann> well, they are 13..18 year olds
17 2010-11-05T17:13:12 <ThomasWaldmann> we have to create lots of small tasks (some ideas can be seen on EasyToDo page)
18 2010-11-05T17:13:29 <ronny> when does it start?
19 2010-11-05T17:13:33 <ThomasWaldmann> they'll claim some of them and likely will need some help
20 2010-11-05T17:14:06 <ThomasWaldmann> well, making tasks will have to be done 22. nov, then the contest will start
21 2010-11-05T17:14:29 <ThomasWaldmann> http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gci_program/google/gci2010/timeline
22 2010-11-05T17:14:34 <ThomasWaldmann> http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gci_program/google/gci2010/faqs
23 2010-11-05T17:14:40 <ThomasWaldmann> http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gci_program/google/gci2010/gciusermanual
24 2010-11-05T17:17:01 <ThomasWaldmann> aside from having to create many tasks asap, gci might be rather relaxed
25 2010-11-05T17:17:50 <ThomasWaldmann> SOC is somehow few tasks, long duration, more difficult, higher risk
26 2010-11-05T17:18:50 <ThomasWaldmann> GCI tasks are rather short (few hours, few days) and low risk (if student can't do it, he can try something else and some other student might try that task)
27 2010-11-05T17:19:50 <ThomasWaldmann> of course we can't expect too much experience and we have to be prepared for widely varying skill
28 2010-11-05T17:22:53 <ThomasWaldmann> aa_: diofeher: dreimark: blathijs: eSyr: franklin: greg_f: greenskeleton: TheSheep: valeuf: vpv: waldi: xjjk: xorAxAx: ^^
29 2010-11-05T17:46:09 <greenskeleton> do I win a prize?
30 2010-11-05T17:48:34 <greenskeleton> I assume you're looking for mentors
31 2010-11-05T17:49:17 <ThomasWaldmann> iirc only participating students get prices
32 2010-11-05T17:50:16 <greenskeleton> I meant for being mentioned :)
33 2010-11-05T17:50:29 <TheSheep> I'd love to, but I won't have time :(
34 2010-11-05T17:51:31 <TheSheep> hoping to be better in february
35 2010-11-05T17:51:38 <greenskeleton> I'm not an active developer on this project, but I was interested in the progress on 2.0
36 2010-11-05T17:52:33 <greenskeleton> if you could use some help mentoring the kids, I'd be willing
37 2010-11-05T17:55:24 <ronny> ThomasWaldmann: i suppose i can help, i'll be done with the pypy hg conversion by then
38 2010-11-05T17:56:19 <ronny> (first i make 1000 chunks of the history, then i chunk it together - frankenstein!
39 2010-11-05T18:15:01 <ronny> hum hum
40 2010-11-05T18:25:12 <dreimark> re
41 2010-11-05T18:25:45 * dreimark reads backlog
42 2010-11-05T18:31:24 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: I don't see an invitation
43 2010-11-05T18:35:29 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: lets see if i can become mentor and if you get a notification
44 2010-11-05T18:46:04 <dreimark> bbl
45 2010-11-05T18:46:06 <ronny> ThomasWaldmann: what do i have to do to apply as mentor?
46 2010-11-05T18:46:39 <dreimark> ronny: http://www.google-melange.com/gci/org/apply_mentor/google/gci2010
47 2010-11-05T18:46:45 <dreimark> sign in and select moin
48 2010-11-05T18:46:55 <dreimark> now away
49 2010-11-05T19:14:58 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: i asked sverre to check the notification / invitation problem in a query
50 2010-11-05T19:17:21 <dreimark> he sees no org admin invitation for me
51 2010-11-05T19:19:15 <dreimark> bbl
52 2010-11-05T19:33:14 *** kursor
53 2010-11-05T19:42:23 * xorAxAx accepted the mentor invitation and accepted ronny and dreimark
54 2010-11-05T19:42:36 <xorAxAx> s/mentor/orgadmin/
55 2010-11-05T19:42:56 <xorAxAx> funny, the create task/view tasks pages are inactive but the bulk create tasks one works
56 2010-11-05T20:01:53 *** kasun
57 2010-11-05T20:02:18 *** greg_f
58 2010-11-05T20:02:40 <kasun> hi, I saw that Moin Moin is participating Google code-in this year. Can anyone tell me where I can find the projects proposed for this year for it?
59 2010-11-05T20:03:20 <xorAxAx> kasun: http://moinmo.in/EasyToDo
60 2010-11-05T20:04:56 <xorAxAx> not yet made up as full fledged descriptions
61 2010-11-05T20:07:23 <kasun> thanks, xorAxAx I'll have a look.
62 2010-11-05T20:08:32 <xorAxAx> if you want to do anything specific, feel free to create a subpage
63 2010-11-05T20:16:10 <kasun> xorAxAx, sure. Can you tell me whether there are any specific things to do till 22nd?
64 2010-11-05T20:16:36 <xorAxAx> kasun: what do you mean?
65 2010-11-05T20:17:53 <xorAxAx> until then, the easytodo ideas need to be converted into subpages
66 2010-11-05T20:19:17 <kasun> ok, great. I assume still there's no mentors assigned to the given tasks?
67 2010-11-05T20:20:10 <xorAxAx> indeed
68 2010-11-05T20:20:49 <kasun> ok
69 2010-11-05T20:26:54 <vpv> ThomasWaldmann: Nice to see moin in gci. I could maybe help in i18n or documentation related stuff, if wouldn't take too much time. With regards to 2.0 "core" code, I haven't even looked into it yet, but I do have some experience on gettext + python.
70 2010-11-05T20:28:35 <ThomasWaldmann> re
71 2010-11-05T20:31:23 *** kasun
72 2010-11-05T20:31:27 <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: i was thinking about maybe directly making the csv table with all tasks on a wiki page
73 2010-11-05T20:31:58 <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: why not modify our exporter to generate csv?
74 2010-11-05T20:32:58 <ThomasWaldmann> could be also done
75 2010-11-05T20:33:16 <ThomasWaldmann> problem is that the bulk import can't handle update afaik
76 2010-11-05T20:33:51 <ThomasWaldmann> so we either need to delete stuff first (possible?) or import every thing just once
77 2010-11-05T20:36:34 <ThomasWaldmann> maybe the single page approach is better for developing/discussing the task ideas
78 2010-11-05T20:37:06 <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: can you update the importer script?
79 2010-11-05T20:37:23 <xorAxAx> yes
80 2010-11-05T20:41:05 <ThomasWaldmann> vpv: i18n: see the ideas page, we have some stuff there, but broad translation is likely too early
81 2010-11-05T20:42:22 <ThomasWaldmann> but we have some new tools to play with :)
82 2010-11-05T20:44:21 *** kasun
83 2010-11-05T20:46:53 <ThomasWaldmann> hi kasun
84 2010-11-05T20:47:20 <kasun> hi
85 2010-11-05T20:48:55 <ThomasWaldmann> kasun: are you a student, wanting to participate in gci contest later this month?
86 2010-11-05T20:50:44 <kasun> ThomasWaldmann, I was talking on behalf of my cousin Lanka. He wanted to know some information. So, I'm looking at the available projects at this time.
87 2010-11-05T20:51:35 <ThomasWaldmann> ah, ok :) our list isn't quite ready, lots to do still, but you might get some rough impression from the EasyToDo page.
88 2010-11-05T20:52:35 <ThomasWaldmann> read the disclaimer there, though :)
89 2010-11-05T20:53:52 <kasun> ThomasWaldmann, yeah, ok. I see my left out projects from last year (GHOP). Seems they are more described. :)
90 2010-11-05T20:54:19 *** kursor
91 2010-11-05T20:54:42 <kasun> sorry. s/my/some/
92 2010-11-05T20:55:11 <kasun> ThomasWaldmann, what Disclaimer? you meant the code-in one?
93 2010-11-05T20:59:03 <ThomasWaldmann> that the stuff on this page is just a brain dump and that some tasks might be too early / too difficult or otherwise unsuited
94 2010-11-05T21:01:54 <kasun> alright. :)
95 2010-11-05T21:03:03 <ThomasWaldmann> if you are not personally participating, you might help us by just looking at that stuff and comment on difficulty etc.
96 2010-11-05T21:11:36 <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: http://moinmo.in/EasyToDoTemplate will that be still the basic format?
97 2010-11-05T21:12:00 <ThomasWaldmann> if yes, I'll update that a bit
98 2010-11-05T21:12:58 <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: yes
99 2010-11-05T21:20:20 <ThomasWaldmann> looks like melange is currently undergoing a load test :P
100 2010-11-05T21:33:09 <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: http://moinmo.in/EasyToDoTemplate like that?
101 2010-11-05T21:34:20 <xorAxAx> yes, fine
102 2010-11-05T21:36:04 <ThomasWaldmann> you handle the quoting / escaping of double quotes in the code?
103 2010-11-05T21:37:42 <xorAxAx> yes
104 2010-11-05T21:38:19 <ThomasWaldmann> hmm, could we add a uuid to the custom tags to deal with updating? :)
105 2010-11-05T21:38:58 <xorAxAx> well, then we cant use the bulk importer
106 2010-11-05T21:39:11 <xorAxAx> why do you need updates? only the short description will go into the system
107 2010-11-05T21:41:08 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, do you also get server errors all the time?
108 2010-11-05T21:42:06 <ThomasWaldmann> the description can be rather long, melange offers the html editor for that
109 2010-11-05T21:42:49 <ThomasWaldmann> so, maybe everything between Description and Discussion?
110 2010-11-05T21:43:27 <ThomasWaldmann> we could run that piece through parser/formatter maybe
111 2010-11-05T21:44:09 <xorAxAx> IMHO only the short description should go into the system, e.g. because of update reasons
112 2010-11-05T21:44:58 <ThomasWaldmann> and we add an automatic link to the wiki page?
113 2010-11-05T21:45:15 <xorAxAx> yes, like we did in ghop
114 2010-11-05T21:45:22 <ThomasWaldmann> ok
115 2010-11-05T21:47:45 <ThomasWaldmann> that "publish" boolean is not in csv?
116 2010-11-05T21:48:01 <ThomasWaldmann> so, is everything or nothing published from csv?
117 2010-11-05T21:48:36 <xorAxAx> hmm?
118 2010-11-05T21:49:09 <ThomasWaldmann> if you manually create a task, there is [ ] publish the task
119 2010-11-05T21:49:48 <xorAxAx> no idea how the bulk import behaves
120 2010-11-05T21:56:14 <ThomasWaldmann> some orgs have different difficulty labels than what melange uses
121 2010-11-05T21:57:37 *** grzywacz
122 2010-11-05T21:57:37 *** grzywacz
123 2010-11-05T22:08:31 *** grzywacz
124 2010-11-05T22:09:52 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: about dropbox, that is a new feature and it is not basic
125 2010-11-05T22:12:41 <ThomasWaldmann> http://moinmo.in/EasyToDo/ReviewAndDiscussAccessKeySupport if someone care about this, he shall please think about it and update it (otherwise I think about just deleting that for now)
126 2010-11-05T22:14:59 <ThomasWaldmann> same thing for those "existing subpages". as they don't use the current EasyToDoTemplate (which will be required for bulk import), they are also deletion candidates
127 2010-11-05T22:18:58 <ThomasWaldmann> hmm, i need to deal with them now, otherwise they get mixed up with new stuff
128 2010-11-05T22:24:34 *** grzywacz
129 2010-11-05T23:49:55 *** kasun
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