1 2011-01-10T00:58:52 *** TripleEntendre
2 2011-01-10T01:05:41 *** izibi
3 2011-01-10T01:10:07 *** m4k3r
4 2011-01-10T01:37:10 *** Trip__
5 2011-01-10T01:52:18 *** grzywacz
6 2011-01-10T03:25:57 *** cosmos_t2ought
7 2011-01-10T03:27:18 *** cosmos_t1ought
8 2011-01-10T03:29:02 *** cosmos_thought
9 2011-01-10T03:31:05 *** cosmos_thought
10 2011-01-10T03:32:15 *** Trip____
11 2011-01-10T03:32:53 *** Trip__
12 2011-01-10T03:38:41 *** Trip____
13 2011-01-10T03:56:14 *** cryptw
14 2011-01-10T05:15:08 *** kursor
15 2011-01-10T07:32:06 *** kursor
16 2011-01-10T09:38:14 *** gwork
17 2011-01-10T10:25:55 *** rfw
18 2011-01-10T10:58:41 <ThomasWaldmann> http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/show/google/gci2010/moinmoin/t129270131462
19 2011-01-10T10:58:57 <ThomasWaldmann> please give opinions about that task
20 2011-01-10T11:03:07 <cosmos_thought> back
21 2011-01-10T11:03:14 *** ndemou
22 2011-01-10T11:03:20 <ndemou> hi I have some wikitext in a python variable and would like to format it as plain text. I guess if I import moinmoin there will be some way to do this easily - anybody knows?
23 2011-01-10T11:05:02 <ThomasWaldmann> one often needs request context for this, e.g. for links
24 2011-01-10T11:05:23 <ThomasWaldmann> http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/show/google/gci2010/moinmoin/t129406592353
25 2011-01-10T11:05:29 <ThomasWaldmann> please give opinions about that task
26 2011-01-10T11:08:23 <ndemou> (if my question is unsuitable for this chanel please notify me - it's not about development per se but it's deep in the code of moinmoin)
27 2011-01-10T11:15:25 <ndemou> I'm being helped in #moin chanel - sorry for the noise
28 2011-01-10T11:15:27 *** ndemou
29 2011-01-10T11:39:37 <cosmos_thought> ThomasWaldmann: would you plz take a look at that: http://pastebin.com/AsVZHR1m file and tell me if there is something missing (im shure its not enough)
30 2011-01-10T11:43:41 <ThomasWaldmann> cosmos_thought: looks like beginning of some docs that extract from the _template.py
31 2011-01-10T11:44:17 <ThomasWaldmann> of course some real docs would be more narrative
32 2011-01-10T11:54:22 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: xorAxAx: have a look at the hi task (MoinI18n/hi). student begs for acceptance and promises more work...
33 2011-01-10T12:17:03 <cosmos_thought> ThomasWaldmann: what do you mean with narrative? real docs in the sense of the html output or more in the sense of more content in the docs?
34 2011-01-10T12:27:38 <ThomasWaldmann> cosmos_thought: there are autogenerated api docs, just extracting docstrings and creating output from them automatically
35 2011-01-10T12:28:28 <ThomasWaldmann> and there are handwritten docs of the api / how it all works, only extracting some parts of the docstrings at manually determined places, with handwritten text in between.
36 2011-01-10T12:42:00 <cosmos_thought> ThomasWaldmann: shure there are some, but the ncc1701 has not so much to document i mean in the end the ncc1701 doc has one page with the class names in it and if there are some members and what i thought i put also in some handwritten text and some code snippets from a method or two
37 2011-01-10T12:44:45 <ThomasWaldmann> ok
38 2011-01-10T12:56:26 *** greg_f
39 2011-01-10T13:14:20 <ThomasWaldmann> currently 2 tasks need review still and I'ld like to have a second opinion
40 2011-01-10T13:15:15 <ThomasWaldmann> any mentor can see them in "Programs" -> "GCI 2010" -> "List my Tasks"
41 2011-01-10T14:01:56 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: i can look soon
42 2011-01-10T14:19:49 *** jacktheripper
43 2011-01-10T15:18:45 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: ok. don't wait too long. :)
44 2011-01-10T15:37:31 *** NikitaUtiu
45 2011-01-10T15:37:33 <NikitaUtiu> moin
46 2011-01-10T15:38:45 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: no access
47 2011-01-10T15:39:18 <dreimark> This page is inactive at this time.
48 2011-01-10T15:39:29 <NikitaUtiu> i've found something wrong with the flatland forms, you cannot use multiple buttons in them without screwing the view
49 2011-01-10T15:40:00 <dreimark> ok, task id works
50 2011-01-10T16:04:52 *** Trip_
51 2011-01-10T16:05:59 *** Trip_
52 2011-01-10T16:09:13 <xorAxAx> anyone at fosdem besides TheSheep and me?
53 2011-01-10T16:15:01 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/show/google/gci2010/moinmoin/t129406592353
54 2011-01-10T16:15:20 <dreimark> we need to take in count tz issues
55 2011-01-10T16:16:32 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: do you have the other id in the browser, the list is not working
56 2011-01-10T16:18:18 <dreimark> he did may be half of the translation and half of the questions for the parallel task
57 2011-01-10T16:18:56 <jacktheripper> ThomasWaldmann, boom http://master19.moinmo.in/MoinI18n/ar
58 2011-01-10T16:19:03 <jacktheripper> it was nice working with you guys.
59 2011-01-10T16:19:26 <dreimark> jacktheripper: 920 :)
60 2011-01-10T16:19:37 <jacktheripper> yep :)
61 2011-01-10T16:21:21 *** NikitaUtiu
62 2011-01-10T16:24:56 <xorAxAx> dreimark: you? you arent far away from it at least :)
63 2011-01-10T16:27:19 * dreimark have to look
64 2011-01-10T16:29:08 <dreimark> xorAxAx: not decided yet (5. - 6. february) nut sounds doable
65 2011-01-10T16:29:16 <dreimark> s/nut/but/
66 2011-01-10T16:32:52 <dreimark> 2h driving
67 2011-01-10T16:56:14 *** cosmos_t3ought
68 2011-01-10T16:56:14 *** cosmos_t1ought
69 2011-01-10T16:57:49 *** cosmos_thought
70 2011-01-10T16:59:10 *** cosmos_t2ought
71 2011-01-10T17:00:23 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: use "List my tasks"
72 2011-01-10T17:11:19 *** gwork
73 2011-01-10T17:20:26 *** izibi
74 2011-01-10T18:12:33 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: i don't have stared it, so not there
75 2011-01-10T18:13:21 <ThomasWaldmann> i never starred anything (manually). but maybe as i was the bulk uploader...
76 2011-01-10T18:13:32 <dreimark> yeah
77 2011-01-10T18:18:42 <dreimark> have it, backup in browser
78 2011-01-10T18:19:14 <dreimark> is it the he task?
79 2011-01-10T18:20:08 <dreimark> likly the other
80 2011-01-10T18:22:13 <ThomasWaldmann> es and hi was unclear today morning
81 2011-01-10T18:22:43 <ThomasWaldmann> and i posted both links
82 2011-01-10T18:27:55 * dreimark has added already a comment to hi
83 2011-01-10T18:28:03 <dreimark> looks now at es
84 2011-01-10T18:37:04 <ThomasWaldmann> btw MoinI18n/hi2 seems to be google translate output
85 2011-01-10T18:39:22 <xorAxAx> i think we should notify the ospo about these swindlers
86 2011-01-10T18:40:01 <ThomasWaldmann> i already notified carol about the first one. magyar (hu) needs still to be checked, but couldn't find someone who can.
87 2011-01-10T18:41:10 <ThomasWaldmann> maybe next gci, one medium/hard task should be a po file validator :)
88 2011-01-10T18:42:04 <ThomasWaldmann> like submit a po file / url / content, it'll check some 10 strings of it and does a full check if suspicious
89 2011-01-10T18:42:43 <ThomasWaldmann> maybe including some diff functionality (orig po, new po)
90 2011-01-10T18:43:58 <dreimark> that
91 2011-01-10T18:44:16 <dreimark> 's may be the reason why we have it complete (hi2)
92 2011-01-10T18:44:30 <ThomasWaldmann> maybe, yes
93 2011-01-10T18:45:00 <ThomasWaldmann> piping a po file through gt using some script is definitely faster than doing a real translation
94 2011-01-10T18:45:04 <dreimark> from that point of view, i think we should accept the others one too
95 2011-01-10T18:45:32 <ThomasWaldmann> the hi2 one will be reported also
96 2011-01-10T18:45:58 <ThomasWaldmann> but we should judge the hi one on its quality and "task full done", not on how bad the other was
97 2011-01-10T18:46:45 <dreimark> :)
98 2011-01-10T18:46:46 <ThomasWaldmann> and i personally think the hi one is very lacking in technical quality (i didn't look if it is > 200)
99 2011-01-10T18:47:45 <ThomasWaldmann> but if someone thinks he shall get the task successfully closed, just tell
100 2011-01-10T18:49:00 <ThomasWaldmann> the es one is a bit strange. he had enough time, but there was almost no reaction to the moreworkneeded (except getting WikiHomePage into some damaged state)
101 2011-01-10T18:49:44 <dreimark> the es one I think had not understand that there was no choice to select some pages
102 2011-01-10T18:49:50 <dreimark> he translated help pages
103 2011-01-10T18:51:47 <ThomasWaldmann> did he? not just timestamps?
104 2011-01-10T18:51:47 <dreimark> the one doing the hi task has checked the hi2 text but because he did not manage to work on the master wiki before
105 2011-01-10T18:52:16 <dreimark> hmm
106 2011-01-10T18:53:24 <dreimark> at least he listed those in the task
107 2011-01-10T18:54:24 *** cosmos_t3ought
108 2011-01-10T18:55:59 <dreimark> hmm I thought I have had seen changes on those too
109 2011-01-10T18:56:30 <ThomasWaldmann> es - looks like he renamed WikiHomePage to WikiPaginaPrincipal, then translated it and then reverted it to english!?
110 2011-01-10T18:57:35 <dreimark> sometimes he translated the english page content too
111 2011-01-10T18:57:36 <ThomasWaldmann> "
112 2011-01-10T18:57:38 <ThomasWaldmann> This task needs more work!"
113 2011-01-10T18:57:41 <dreimark> and reverted it back
114 2011-01-10T18:57:45 <ThomasWaldmann> maybe, but not in gci :)
115 2011-01-10T18:58:11 <dreimark> yes, but that is what we usually say if it is not being accepted
116 2011-01-10T18:58:33 <ThomasWaldmann> and the outdated checker obviously has a bug
117 2011-01-10T18:58:46 <ThomasWaldmann> if both timestamps are same, it tells "outdated!"
118 2011-01-10T18:59:01 <dreimark> you can apply the fixed one to the master wiki
119 2011-01-10T18:59:18 <dreimark> http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/extensions/rev/02470d83aab9
120 2011-01-10T18:59:29 <ThomasWaldmann> ah, ok, later :)
121 2011-01-10T19:00:09 <dreimark> the es: not accepted
122 2011-01-10T19:00:57 <dreimark> the hi: i wait for the answer of the question
123 2011-01-10T19:01:27 <dreimark> currently i think the biggest problem was that he did not manage to get in contact with us
124 2011-01-10T19:02:04 <dreimark> because of that he did not learned how to work in the wiki he was able to do at that time only half of your suggestions
125 2011-01-10T19:02:38 <ThomasWaldmann> the "hi" student worked offline, with notepad or something
126 2011-01-10T19:03:40 <dreimark> we allowed offline working, but he did a translation of a project he likly did not known before
127 2011-01-10T19:04:03 <dreimark> (i guess this is true for most of the new translators)
128 2011-01-10T19:06:04 <dreimark> he verified the machine translated text as that - which we now know is correct
129 2011-01-10T19:06:36 <dreimark> next time we need a translation task and some trusted proof read task of an other student
130 2011-01-10T19:08:35 *** cosmos_t1ought
131 2011-01-10T19:11:03 <dreimark> i guess we will find lots of translations which don't have the right terms used
132 2011-01-10T19:11:44 <dreimark> however lets see if he answers
133 2011-01-10T19:11:49 <dreimark> bbl
134 2011-01-10T19:22:27 *** NikitaUtiu
135 2011-01-10T19:22:37 <NikitaUtiu> moin
136 2011-01-10T20:05:21 <NikitaUtiu> i improved the login view https://bitbucket.org/NikitaUtiu/moin-2.0-dev/changeset/dd632843bf52
137 2011-01-10T20:05:36 <NikitaUtiu> check it out, i want your opinion :)
138 2011-01-10T20:06:56 <NikitaUtiu> brb
139 2011-01-10T20:12:07 <ThomasWaldmann> re
140 2011-01-10T20:14:34 *** greg_f
141 2011-01-10T20:14:42 <dreimark> NikitaUtiu: the or is nice, but auth = [OpenIDAuth()] has no login hint
142 2011-01-10T20:15:03 <dreimark> s/login/profile creation/
143 2011-01-10T20:29:40 <NikitaUtiu> back
144 2011-01-10T20:31:31 <NikitaUtiu> i know that, and i'm going to implement it
145 2011-01-10T20:31:46 <NikitaUtiu> what do you mean by 'or' ?
146 2011-01-10T20:33:46 <ThomasWaldmann> NikitaUtiu: for what is that hidden submit for?
147 2011-01-10T20:34:21 <NikitaUtiu> login_submit tells setup_user it's a login request
148 2011-01-10T20:35:05 <NikitaUtiu> i hid it to be able to hard-code the buttons
149 2011-01-10T20:36:15 <ThomasWaldmann> ah, so one is for clicking and the other for flatland :)
150 2011-01-10T20:37:01 <NikitaUtiu> yep
151 2011-01-10T20:38:16 <ThomasWaldmann> NikitaUtiu: and you can just hardcode that one is login_submit?
152 2011-01-10T20:38:34 <ThomasWaldmann> s/one/each/
153 2011-01-10T20:39:13 <NikitaUtiu> ie ?
154 2011-01-10T20:40:17 <ThomasWaldmann> <input type="submit" name="login_submit" value="{{ _('Log in') }}" /> maybe like this?
155 2011-01-10T20:41:01 <NikitaUtiu> well why that, i have it hidden :)
156 2011-01-10T20:41:26 <ThomasWaldmann> yes, but why 2 submit things if one is enough?
157 2011-01-10T20:41:32 <ThomasWaldmann> per form
158 2011-01-10T20:42:44 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, maybe we rather want "Log in" as button text for the openid form as well
159 2011-01-10T20:43:05 <ThomasWaldmann> as it is right below the openid input field, it should be clear enough and less work for translators
160 2011-01-10T20:43:26 <NikitaUtiu> so two 'Log in' buttons?
161 2011-01-10T20:43:31 *** grzywacz
162 2011-01-10T20:43:32 *** grzywacz
163 2011-01-10T20:43:48 <ThomasWaldmann> NikitaUtiu: yes
164 2011-01-10T20:44:33 <NikitaUtiu> wouldn't that look weird? duplicated?
165 2011-01-10T20:44:51 <ThomasWaldmann> maybe we could have this:
166 2011-01-10T20:44:54 <ThomasWaldmann> h1 Login
167 2011-01-10T20:45:31 <ThomasWaldmann> h2 Builtin Login (or any other, better string)
168 2011-01-10T20:45:35 <ThomasWaldmann> name: ...
169 2011-01-10T20:45:40 <ThomasWaldmann> password: ...
170 2011-01-10T20:45:47 <ThomasWaldmann> Log in (submit)
171 2011-01-10T20:45:53 <ThomasWaldmann> h2 OpenID Login
172 2011-01-10T20:45:57 <ThomasWaldmann> openid: ...
173 2011-01-10T20:46:04 <ThomasWaldmann> Log in (submit)
174 2011-01-10T20:46:20 <NikitaUtiu> yeah, it could work
175 2011-01-10T20:46:59 <NikitaUtiu> and about, hidden, i thought it'd be more verbose, but i can remove it
176 2011-01-10T20:47:04 <ThomasWaldmann> would also avoid that "if" in the template for that "or ..."
177 2011-01-10T20:48:34 <ThomasWaldmann> maybe we could even skip the h1, or put some phrase below it, so we don't have h1 h2 directly following each other
178 2011-01-10T20:50:22 <NikitaUtiu> so, no item_name for this page
179 2011-01-10T20:51:52 <NikitaUtiu> sorry, not item_name, h1
180 2011-01-10T20:54:49 *** m4k3r
181 2011-01-10T20:56:58 <NikitaUtiu> http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=15p2uk5&s=7 like this ?
182 2011-01-10T20:58:05 <NikitaUtiu> ThomasWaldmann: ^^
183 2011-01-10T20:59:47 <NikitaUtiu> and forgot to change the button
184 2011-01-10T21:01:38 <NikitaUtiu> http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2lm6psz&s=7 this
185 2011-01-10T21:01:40 <NikitaUtiu> htg
186 2011-01-10T21:01:43 <NikitaUtiu> bye
187 2011-01-10T21:07:00 *** NikitaUtiu
188 2011-01-10T21:08:45 <ThomasWaldmann> away he was...
189 2011-01-10T22:26:45 <dreimark> bblre
190 2011-01-10T22:26:52 <dreimark> re
191 2011-01-10T22:29:09 <dreimark> i meant the same "or ..."
192 2011-01-10T22:30:21 <dreimark> may be no title for views which are clickable?
193 2011-01-10T22:30:28 <dreimark> e.g. for http://localhost:8080/+login
194 2011-01-10T22:30:34 <dreimark> we have a Login title
195 2011-01-10T22:31:28 <ThomasWaldmann> all the title stuff needs reworking
196 2011-01-10T22:31:46 <ThomasWaldmann> currently there is a bit of a mess item_name vs. title
197 2011-01-10T23:53:07 *** m4k3r
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