1 2011-12-12T00:43:21 *** grzywacz
2 2011-12-12T00:57:40 *** qxcv
3 2011-12-12T01:08:55 *** raignarok
4 2011-12-12T01:17:38 *** raignarok
5 2011-12-12T01:24:38 *** raignarok
6 2011-12-12T02:26:53 <cdbs> ThomasWaldmann: there?
7 2011-12-12T02:27:26 <cdbs> Well, anyone here can answer this. While trying to debug moin, PIL outputs "decoder zip not found"
8 2011-12-12T02:27:30 <cdbs> what do I need to install?
9 2011-12-12T02:27:44 <cdbs> googling doesn't help, all pointers point to manually installing PIL
10 2011-12-12T02:27:51 <cdbs> and there's no zip decoder package on pip
11 2011-12-12T02:28:16 <cdbs> (or is it zipaccess?)
12 2011-12-12T02:38:28 <cdbs> ah, worked
13 2011-12-12T04:02:09 <ThomasWaldmann> cdbs: hi
14 2011-12-12T04:02:30 * ThomasWaldmann should be sleeping, but I am here. |-)
15 2011-12-12T04:02:47 <ThomasWaldmann> http://img1.uploadscreenshot.com/images/orig/12/34421575874-orig.png current state of new theme
16 2011-12-12T04:04:16 <ThomasWaldmann> cdbs: i don't know that error msg. what was it, how did you solve?
17 2011-12-12T04:06:34 <xjjk> ThomasWaldmann: mm I wanted to make a new theme…
18 2011-12-12T04:09:11 <ThomasWaldmann> xjjk: there is lots to do, you can help :)
19 2011-12-12T04:09:49 <xjjk> ThomasWaldmann: waiting for moin2 and it's storage layer to be stable enough to not eat my data =/
20 2011-12-12T04:10:04 <ThomasWaldmann> ah, yeah :)
21 2011-12-12T04:10:19 <xjjk> best way to theme is to use it and fix things as you go along, IMHO
22 2011-12-12T04:10:35 <ThomasWaldmann> i wanted to have some stuff with sidebars ready for gci, we can only submit tasks in next few days
23 2011-12-12T04:11:20 <ThomasWaldmann> xjjk: yes. i didn't mean to completely fix it, but to make most important views not totally broken.
24 2011-12-12T04:11:35 <ThomasWaldmann> only "show" looks as good as on that screenshot.
25 2011-12-12T04:11:36 <xjjk> right
26 2011-12-12T04:12:02 <xjjk> ThomasWaldmann: I wanted to do a "responsive" theme/etc... I've been using Moin more and more from my phone
27 2011-12-12T04:12:20 <ThomasWaldmann> it currently scales down to w 640 :)
28 2011-12-12T04:12:52 <xjjk> heh
29 2011-12-12T04:13:04 <xjjk> well, phones with screens that wide HAVE come out this year…
30 2011-12-12T04:13:24 <ThomasWaldmann> http://img1.uploadscreenshot.com/images/orig/12/34422093566-orig.png
31 2011-12-12T04:13:41 <ThomasWaldmann> mine has w 1280 :D
32 2011-12-12T04:14:01 <xjjk> ThomasWaldmann: hopefully, those shadows/etc are CSS and NOT images…
33 2011-12-12T04:14:21 <ThomasWaldmann> sure
34 2011-12-12T04:16:59 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, do you know some css src styleguide, like pep8 for py?
35 2011-12-12T04:17:40 <xjjk> no, not really
36 2011-12-12T04:17:51 <xjjk> though lately I have been skipping CSS and writing in these CSS meta languages
37 2011-12-12T04:18:05 <xjjk> which do have enforced style/significant whitespace à la Python
38 2011-12-12T04:19:05 <ThomasWaldmann> which one?
39 2011-12-12T04:19:21 <xjjk> Stylus is my current favorite http://learnboost.github.com/stylus/
40 2011-12-12T04:19:34 <xjjk> Less CSS is also popular but _very_ buggy and apparently unmaintained
41 2011-12-12T04:20:13 <xjjk> ThomasWaldmann: Stylus has some nice extensions/plugins… one re: responsive web designs is semantic grid http://semantic.gs/
42 2011-12-12T04:23:14 <ThomasWaldmann> i currently read the web site, looks nice
43 2011-12-12T04:23:50 <xjjk> for which? stylus or semantic grid?
44 2011-12-12T04:26:01 <xjjk> ah, nib was the last plugin I was looking for http://visionmedia.github.com/nib/
45 2011-12-12T04:26:02 <ThomasWaldmann> stylus
46 2011-12-12T04:26:07 <xjjk> expands CSS3 stuff for you
47 2011-12-12T04:26:20 <xjjk> so you don't have to remember all the vendor prefixes and/or special synta
48 2011-12-12T04:26:23 <xjjk> syntax*
49 2011-12-12T04:31:56 <ThomasWaldmann> yup, just watched the screencast
50 2011-12-12T04:32:15 <ThomasWaldmann> can it be easily used on the usual platforms?
51 2011-12-12T04:32:49 <xjjk> I only really use Linux, so I don't know the others
52 2011-12-12T04:32:54 <xjjk> it's written in Javascript
53 2011-12-12T04:32:59 <xjjk> and designed to be run with node.js
54 2011-12-12T04:33:04 <cdbs> ThomasWaldmann: there?
55 2011-12-12T04:33:54 <cdbs> ThomasWaldmann: hi, the error was that there would be a crash if PIL was installed, and two PNGs with similar history were diffed
56 2011-12-12T04:34:34 <cdbs> ThomasWaldmann: oops, sorry, I understand what you asked for
57 2011-12-12T04:34:52 <cdbs> ThomasWaldmann: The error was that "decoder zip is not installed" would be printed out if I tried to diff two PNGs
58 2011-12-12T04:35:55 <ThomasWaldmann> yes, and how did you solve that?
59 2011-12-12T04:36:01 <cdbs> I fixed it by symlinking libz.so, libjpeg.so and libfreetype.so to /usr/lib (original location is /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu in Ubuntu) and then re-built PIL
60 2011-12-12T04:36:19 <cdbs> looks like PIL isn't multiarch-specific yet
61 2011-12-12T04:36:47 <cdbs> googling helped
62 2011-12-12T04:37:05 <ThomasWaldmann> ok
63 2011-12-12T04:37:34 <xjjk> *cough* Ubuntu
64 2011-12-12T04:37:55 <xjjk> they rolled out multiarch support too early. too much is broken
65 2011-12-12T04:38:44 <cdbs> well, Debian rolled it out before we did
66 2011-12-12T04:38:53 * cdbs is an Ubuntu dev :)
67 2011-12-12T04:39:46 <xjjk> cdbs: they did? support has been shipping for a while but I don't think they enabled it
68 2011-12-12T04:39:47 <cdbs> And multiarch was the better way to go, by far. ia32-libs was too tough to maintain
69 2011-12-12T04:39:57 <cdbs> xjjk: What do you mean by "enabled" ?
70 2011-12-12T04:40:06 <cdbs> xjjk: Its a gradual process
71 2011-12-12T04:40:26 <cdbs> Debian has been working on it since the completion of Squeeze
72 2011-12-12T04:40:39 <cdbs> so yes, they did it a month or two before we did
73 2011-12-12T04:40:45 <xjjk> cdbs: to "enable" multiarch support (i.e. tell your package resolver to look at another arch), you dump something into dpkg's configuration file
74 2011-12-12T04:41:00 <xjjk> foreign-architecture i386 for amd64 I believe
75 2011-12-12T04:41:01 <cdbs> xjjk: ah, you mean that
76 2011-12-12T04:41:10 <xjjk> debian doesn't ship with it "enabled"
77 2011-12-12T04:41:13 <xjjk> ubuntu does
78 2011-12-12T04:41:21 <cdbs> xjjk: yeah, we added that change ourselves in Oneiric
79 2011-12-12T04:41:29 <xjjk> and it happily enabled it for me when I upgraded, breaking a few too many things…
80 2011-12-12T04:41:50 <cdbs> yeah, its kinda confusing, but when things get sorted out I'm confident everything will be smooth
81 2011-12-12T04:41:55 <cdbs> since its a gradual changeover
82 2011-12-12T04:42:05 <xjjk> IMHO the worst bit
83 2011-12-12T04:42:16 <xjjk> is that there's almost no documentation for multiarch whatseover
84 2011-12-12T04:42:31 <cdbs> wiki.debian.org/Multiarch ?
85 2011-12-12T04:42:36 <xjjk> ok, not "whatsoever"
86 2011-12-12T04:42:36 <xjjk> but it's pretty bad
87 2011-12-12T04:42:49 <xjjk> cdbs: that's aimed at package devs more so than users
88 2011-12-12T04:42:56 <xjjk> e.g. how do I keep aptitude from listing packages twice for both archs?
89 2011-12-12T04:43:05 <xjjk> how do I even tell what arch a package belongs to in aptitude?
90 2011-12-12T04:43:51 <cdbs> the reasoning for the non-existance of docs is simple
91 2011-12-12T04:43:57 <cdbs> we never wanted the change to be obvious to new users
92 2011-12-12T04:44:12 <cdbs> unfortunately, it became somewhat obvious, and needed user action at times
93 2011-12-12T04:44:30 <cdbs> so, at UDS-O there was no talk on multiarch docs or something
94 2011-12-12T04:44:41 <xjjk> that's fair… but it alienates existing users who expect things to work a certain way/have apps I want to use
95 2011-12-12T04:44:49 <xjjk> I don't think using aptitude puts me in some weird minority
96 2011-12-12T04:44:50 <cdbs> what broke for you/
97 2011-12-12T04:44:51 <cdbs> ?
98 2011-12-12T04:45:04 <xjjk> with multiarche enabled aptitude is almost completely unuable
99 2011-12-12T04:45:10 <xjjk> cdbs: well, most of it my "fault"
100 2011-12-12T04:45:16 <xjjk> cdbs: flash broke, for one
101 2011-12-12T04:45:28 <xjjk> I was using a custom 64-bit flash package
102 2011-12-12T04:45:48 <cdbs> xjjk: My suggestion: Use Adobe's flash package, and not any deb or something
103 2011-12-12T04:46:01 <xjjk> upgrading attempted to uninstall it and install the 32-bit plugin and fetch 32-bit firefox and all this other nonsense
104 2011-12-12T04:46:18 <xjjk> cdbs: yeah, ubuntu put out a 64-bit deb in the partner repository
105 2011-12-12T04:46:21 <xjjk> AFTER release
106 2011-12-12T04:46:53 <xjjk> a bunch of other little things, I don't recall, the firefox one was major since I do a lot of web dev
107 2011-12-12T04:47:01 <xjjk> I still have not figured out aptitude
108 2011-12-12T04:47:03 * cdbs remembers about the lack of collaboration between partner devs and ubuntu devs
109 2011-12-12T04:47:09 <xjjk> with multiarch enabled
110 2011-12-12T04:47:15 <xjjk> aptitude lists packages twice
111 2011-12-12T04:47:22 <xjjk> one for 32-bit, one for 64-bit
112 2011-12-12T04:47:40 <xjjk> that's already fairly annoying, but there's no indication which version is 32 or 64
113 2011-12-12T04:48:26 <xjjk> of course, muon/packagekit/whatever (I'm using Kubuntu) didn't have these problems
114 2011-12-12T04:48:40 <cdbs> hmm
115 2011-12-12T04:48:56 <xjjk> …but what's wrong with the programs I'm using? I don't think aptitude is that far off the beaten path
116 2011-12-12T04:49:42 <xjjk> and as far as user support, the best advice (that I ended up) following was just to turn multiarch off
117 2011-12-12T04:49:47 * ThomasWaldmann installed stylus :)
118 2011-12-12T04:50:03 <xjjk> ThomasWaldmann: yep yep
119 2011-12-12T04:50:16 <cdbs> what's that?
120 2011-12-12T04:50:19 <xjjk> ThomasWaldmann: nib I found is a bit difficult to install… semantic grid is great though
121 2011-12-12T04:50:31 <xjjk> css meta-language
122 2011-12-12T04:50:32 <xjjk> that makes writing CSS easier
123 2011-12-12T04:51:07 <ThomasWaldmann> the first few things they say on their site sounded a bit like "css done by a python dev"
124 2011-12-12T04:51:42 <xjjk> ThomasWaldmann: haha, I actually think it's more ruby inspired
125 2011-12-12T04:51:54 <xjjk> but they left all of ruby's stupidity out
126 2011-12-12T04:51:55 <xjjk> so no loss
127 2011-12-12T04:54:29 <ThomasWaldmann> "Stylus is “pythonic” aka indentation-based. "
128 2011-12-12T04:54:35 <ThomasWaldmann> from their site :)
129 2011-12-12T04:55:17 <xjjk> well, +1 to them for using the word Pythonic I suppose
130 2011-12-12T04:55:23 <xjjk> wish they had a Python port too
131 2011-12-12T05:12:28 * ThomasWaldmann needs sleep, gn
132 2011-12-12T10:01:06 *** greg_f
133 2011-12-12T10:22:17 *** MattMaker
134 2011-12-12T10:59:59 *** eSyr
135 2011-12-12T11:00:03 *** eSyr
136 2011-12-12T12:30:51 * ThomasWaldmann likes stylus
137 2011-12-12T12:51:16 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: if that is based on note.js, we have to think about etherpad lite, which is also based on that
138 2011-12-12T13:26:00 *** qxcv
139 2011-12-12T13:29:06 *** mkerrin
140 2011-12-12T13:43:00 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: it is like a compiler, only the css devs who want to use that need it
141 2011-12-12T13:43:09 <ThomasWaldmann> compiler output is standard css
142 2011-12-12T13:43:28 <dreimark> ah, good
143 2011-12-12T13:44:23 <ThomasWaldmann> quite nice, one can now use the computer to compute the css stuff, like those percentages
144 2011-12-12T13:44:44 <ThomasWaldmann> and it is like css for pythonistas
145 2011-12-12T13:48:30 <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: like SASS?
146 2011-12-12T13:50:22 <dreimark> he
147 2011-12-12T13:50:37 <ThomasWaldmann> i don't know sass in detail, but maybe even a bit simpler
148 2011-12-12T13:50:58 <ThomasWaldmann> xjjk seems to have tried multiple ones and liked stylus best yet
149 2011-12-12T13:51:16 <TheSheep> sass is pretty popular
150 2011-12-12T13:51:31 <TheSheep> best for what?
151 2011-12-12T13:52:26 <ThomasWaldmann> best for him :)
152 2011-12-12T13:52:39 <ThomasWaldmann> see the backlog of last night
153 2011-12-12T13:53:09 <TheSheep> ok, sorry
154 2011-12-12T13:53:21 *** dave_largo
155 2011-12-12T13:56:48 <ThomasWaldmann> https://github.com/LearnBoost/stylus/blob/master/docs/compare.md
156 2011-12-12T13:59:26 <dreimark> bbl
157 2011-12-12T15:10:36 *** RogerHaase
158 2011-12-12T15:38:11 <ThomasWaldmann> http://paste.ubuntu.com/767932/ see line 138 :)
159 2011-12-12T15:46:05 <RogerHaase> yayyyyyy, css with no {, }, ; and with varibles. What is not to like?
160 2011-12-12T15:52:28 <ThomasWaldmann> no issues yet :)
161 2011-12-12T15:52:59 <ThomasWaldmann> i just made a rtl-ish layout using opposite-position(x)
162 2011-12-12T15:57:17 <TheSheep> RogerHaase: abiguous syntax
163 2011-12-12T16:05:26 <RogerHaase> TheSheep: where in particular?
164 2011-12-12T16:09:03 <ThomasWaldmann> it's documented even
165 2011-12-12T16:10:21 <RogerHaase> I guess I do miss the : in "float left"; would be more readible as "float: left" I think.
166 2011-12-12T16:13:02 <RogerHaase> Is there an editor that does highlighting?
167 2011-12-12T16:16:10 <ThomasWaldmann> RogerHaase: i think one can even keep the :
168 2011-12-12T16:16:20 <ThomasWaldmann> but i didn't
169 2011-12-12T16:17:24 <ThomasWaldmann> looks like they support gedit and "tmbundle" (?)
170 2011-12-12T16:19:03 <TheSheep> RogerHaase: if you stack several selectors on separate lines
171 2011-12-12T16:19:16 <TheSheep> RogerHaase: the : is optional
172 2011-12-12T16:19:33 <TheSheep> which is another gripe I have with it -- there should be one obvious way to do it
173 2011-12-12T16:21:44 <ThomasWaldmann> even the ; is optional. i guess even the {} is optional.
174 2011-12-12T16:22:10 <ThomasWaldmann> my first try was just pumping a css through it and see what happens, it survived :)
175 2011-12-12T16:22:48 <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: it's cool if you use it by yourself, but all those optional elements are a sure recipe for unmaintainable ball of mud in a team
176 2011-12-12T16:25:13 <RogerHaase> I would not eliminate its use just because it has options. We have restrictive rules for avoiding Pythons options: tabs vs. spaces, etc.
177 2011-12-12T16:26:22 <TheSheep> RogerHaase: have fun writing a mercurial hook for validating stylus :)
178 2011-12-12T16:28:03 <RogerHaase> haha, I have high expections from the stylus team: highlighting editors and mercurial hooks are just the beginning..
179 2011-12-12T16:29:00 *** NikitaUtiu
180 2011-12-12T16:30:40 <NikitaUtiu> ThomasWaldmann, moin
181 2011-12-12T16:31:12 <NikitaUtiu> I'm having difficulty applying the patch I made
182 2011-12-12T16:31:15 <ThomasWaldmann> moin NikitaUtiu
183 2011-12-12T16:31:22 <NikitaUtiu> I can't get patch to work
184 2011-12-12T16:31:30 <NikitaUtiu> it just hangs whatever I try
185 2011-12-12T16:31:38 <ThomasWaldmann> you need <
186 2011-12-12T16:31:48 <ThomasWaldmann> otherwise it is waiting for input from stdin
187 2011-12-12T16:32:13 <ThomasWaldmann> patch <mychange.diff
188 2011-12-12T16:32:18 <NikitaUtiu> aaaa
189 2011-12-12T16:32:36 <ThomasWaldmann> :)
190 2011-12-12T16:32:36 <NikitaUtiu> :D didn'y know that, I just wrote the name of the file
191 2011-12-12T16:48:42 <ThomasWaldmann> bbl
192 2011-12-12T17:39:05 *** pkumar
193 2011-12-12T17:45:39 *** sungji
194 2011-12-12T18:15:04 *** pkumar
195 2011-12-12T18:19:39 <ThomasWaldmann> http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/view/google/gci2011/7125293 iirc he made that shop for us, strange
196 2011-12-12T18:36:04 *** pkumar
197 2011-12-12T18:38:21 *** pkumar
198 2011-12-12T18:48:06 *** greg_f
199 2011-12-12T18:58:06 *** mkerrin
200 2011-12-12T19:03:22 <dreimark> re
201 2011-12-12T19:15:50 *** brunomartin
202 2011-12-12T19:26:39 <izibi> http://moinmo.in/TranslationServiceResearch feedback so far?
203 2011-12-12T19:28:41 <NikitaUtiu> ThomasWaldmann, I'm getting a strange exeption
204 2011-12-12T19:28:58 <NikitaUtiu> on a fresh repo, which is even more strange
205 2011-12-12T19:41:26 <ThomasWaldmann> NikitaUtiu: pastebin?
206 2011-12-12T19:41:32 <dreimark> more info
207 2011-12-12T19:41:35 <NikitaUtiu> ok
208 2011-12-12T19:42:29 *** dave_largo
209 2011-12-12T19:43:35 <ThomasWaldmann> izibi: looks good mostly. pootle has no cons and workflow?
210 2011-12-12T19:43:55 <ThomasWaldmann> in general, if you list a feature for one, but not the other, it means that the feature is not present?
211 2011-12-12T19:44:13 <NikitaUtiu> http://pastebin.com/5FkQXLpU
212 2011-12-12T19:44:37 <dreimark> NikitaUtiu: read about creating the index
213 2011-12-12T19:46:54 <ThomasWaldmann> read the nice docs :)
214 2011-12-12T19:46:59 <xjjk> ThomasWaldmann, dreimark: I hadn't tried SASS much, but when I was using I thought it was a tad slow *cough* ruby *cough*
215 2011-12-12T19:47:28 <ThomasWaldmann> xjjk: does one notice slowness with so little data?
216 2011-12-12T19:47:43 <xjjk> you especially notice the slowness with so little data
217 2011-12-12T19:47:54 <xjjk> all the time is the ruby VM starting/stopping
218 2011-12-12T19:49:32 <ThomasWaldmann> interesting. well, I was also not that keen on javascript as implementation language for stylus, but there was a package for ubuntu, so it worked painlessly.
219 2011-12-12T19:49:49 <xjjk> yeah that was another plus for me
220 2011-12-12T19:50:04 <ThomasWaldmann> (package for node.js I mean)
221 2011-12-12T19:50:07 <NikitaUtiu> I don't get it, the wiki directory was alwayscreated when i ran moin
222 2011-12-12T19:50:34 <ThomasWaldmann> NikitaUtiu: there happened quite a lot in the last half year :)
223 2011-12-12T19:50:39 <NikitaUtiu> ok :D
224 2011-12-12T19:51:10 <xjjk> er, my bad, there isn't a package for stylus
225 2011-12-12T19:51:15 <xjjk> there actually is a package for less
226 2011-12-12T19:52:04 <dreimark> NikitaUtiu: it is only a few lines in the doc.
227 2011-12-12T19:52:18 <dreimark> and it is the index missing not that dir
228 2011-12-12T19:53:11 <NikitaUtiu> do I have to build the docs first?
229 2011-12-12T19:57:52 <dreimark> NikitaUtiu: read them at readthedocs
230 2011-12-12T19:58:27 <izibi> ThomasWaldmann: it's not yet finished ;)
231 2011-12-12T19:58:58 <dreimark> NikitaUtiu: http://readthedocs.org/projects/moin-20/
232 2011-12-12T19:59:12 <NikitaUtiu> found them, i thought i had to build them
233 2011-12-12T19:59:33 <izibi> ThomasWaldmann: i think i'll go through everything again to check if there are features missing
234 2011-12-12T20:00:47 <ThomasWaldmann> izibi: just imaging you were a translator and would like to use it
235 2011-12-12T20:00:56 <ThomasWaldmann> imagine*
236 2011-12-12T20:07:07 *** raignarok
237 2011-12-12T20:11:04 *** grzywacz
238 2011-12-12T20:12:06 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: have you seen my comment about the transclusion bug for items/subitems/subitems?
239 2011-12-12T20:13:38 <dreimark> http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/view/google/gci2011/7195388
240 2011-12-12T20:14:59 <ThomasWaldmann> yes, i've seen your comment. didn't happen when I tested it, as I was only testing one level deep
241 2011-12-12T20:16:29 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: did you test qxcv's fix?
242 2011-12-12T20:16:49 <dreimark> will do at home, have there already a clone from him
243 2011-12-12T20:17:06 <dreimark> i shout later ;)
244 2011-12-12T20:21:06 <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: about the new theme
245 2011-12-12T20:21:15 <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: you really need to remove stuff from it
246 2011-12-12T20:21:27 <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: like shadows and rounded corners
247 2011-12-12T20:21:38 <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: they distract too much from the content
248 2011-12-12T20:21:49 <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: it's cool to have them working though
249 2011-12-12T20:22:24 <ThomasWaldmann> hmm, really? i thought it looked nice.
250 2011-12-12T20:22:36 <ThomasWaldmann> getting them working was just a matter of some css attrs
251 2011-12-12T20:22:48 <ThomasWaldmann> i didn't test on IE, though :)
252 2011-12-12T20:23:53 <TheSheep> good for you
253 2011-12-12T20:24:08 <TheSheep> it looks nice, but you don't want people to be looking at the theme
254 2011-12-12T20:24:16 <TheSheep> you want them to look at the text inside
255 2011-12-12T20:24:45 <ThomasWaldmann> well, the people complaining about the theme and that it looked like sh.. obviously looked at it.
256 2011-12-12T20:24:45 <TheSheep> and to move the theme parts out of attention as much as possible
257 2011-12-12T20:25:35 <TheSheep> I want to take a shot at designing a theme for moin, but I'm still short on time
258 2011-12-12T20:25:56 <TheSheep> and this is a sort of work that requires a large continous chunk of time
259 2011-12-12T20:25:58 <ThomasWaldmann> well, i guess we can work on details
260 2011-12-12T20:26:16 <ThomasWaldmann> just if I need to do something fundamentally different, that would be good to get in early
261 2011-12-12T20:26:42 <TheSheep> to be honest, I didn't familiarize myself with moin2 theming mechanisms yet
262 2011-12-12T20:26:51 <TheSheep> so I don't even know where to start
263 2011-12-12T20:26:52 <ThomasWaldmann> well, it is jinja2
264 2011-12-12T20:27:13 <TheSheep> perhaps we should start with making a theming guide
265 2011-12-12T20:27:17 <ThomasWaldmann> usually view functions end with render_template("foo.html", ...)
266 2011-12-12T20:27:21 <TheSheep> and that will attract some designers?
267 2011-12-12T20:27:53 <ThomasWaldmann> (so that code is not very moin specific any more)
268 2011-12-12T20:28:04 <dreimark> we have still the question if we want +view/item_name or item_name/+view
269 2011-12-12T20:28:43 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: yes, but we'll delay that. there is also the namespaces branch waiting.
270 2011-12-12T20:29:09 <ThomasWaldmann> i just wanted to have some containers to fill with misc. stuff, like that subitems display for show/modify.
271 2011-12-12T20:33:16 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: btw, those gocept tasks are missing more infos. if you think that would be valuable, you should provide more infos about what you expect as deliverable.
272 2011-12-12T20:33:27 <ThomasWaldmann> s/gocept/selenium/
273 2011-12-12T20:35:48 <dreimark> yes, trying
274 2011-12-12T20:52:57 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: i fear i saved too early
275 2011-12-12T20:53:10 <dreimark> may be you have now a conflict on that page
276 2011-12-12T20:58:21 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, moin1 does not tell about the edit conflict, you just get the editor back
277 2011-12-12T20:59:20 *** grzywa
278 2011-12-12T20:59:24 *** grzywacz
279 2011-12-12T21:00:19 *** brunomartin
280 2011-12-12T21:00:56 <RogerHaase> ThomasWaldmann: re #128, I did test changing all localhost occurances to 127.0.0.1. The interwikihelp is OK on both windows and ubuntu. Of course, localhost now results in 404's. But my concern with #96 is whether www.moinmo.in and moinmo.in will both work in a production environment.
281 2011-12-12T21:04:53 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: for the selenium tests, i thinks a result should be something like http://paste.pocoo.org/show/519899/ and of course the asserts added
282 2011-12-12T21:05:04 <ThomasWaldmann> well, one can always just do a redirect
283 2011-12-12T21:05:40 *** dave_largo
284 2011-12-12T21:06:21 *** NikitaUtiu
285 2011-12-12T21:06:45 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: well,n one of the obvious questions is how / whether that should be integrated with our pytest2 unit tests
286 2011-12-12T21:07:53 <RogerHaase> ThomasWaldmann: I am thinking maybe this is one of those problems that is easier to fix than to explain (again and again) (also I am not claiming I know how to fix it easily)
287 2011-12-12T21:10:23 <ThomasWaldmann> RogerHaase: you mean like "just use 127.0.0.1"? :)
288 2011-12-12T21:11:22 <ThomasWaldmann> (and of course if someone runs it in production, he will have to set that setting to the correct hostname, like www.example.org)
289 2011-12-12T21:13:13 <RogerHaase> http://codereview.appspot.com/5479055/ does what you want, I think
290 2011-12-12T21:14:47 <ThomasWaldmann> RogerHaase: env\Scripts\activate.bat - if you type something on commandline, does the big "S" matter or is small "s" also ok?
291 2011-12-12T21:15:24 <RogerHaase> But, right now www.moinmo.in and moinmo.in both work without redirects. I think that will not work on moin2
292 2011-12-12T21:15:52 <ThomasWaldmann> yes, but that "double content" mode is disliked by google anyway.
293 2011-12-12T21:16:06 <dreimark> bbl
294 2011-12-12T21:16:09 *** _vincent
295 2011-12-12T21:16:16 *** _vincent
296 2011-12-12T21:17:05 *** grzywa
297 2011-12-12T21:17:35 <ThomasWaldmann> RogerHaase: # Windows users stop here: WSGIDaemonProcess and WSGIProcessGroup are not used on Windows hosts
298 2011-12-12T21:17:44 <ThomasWaldmann> maybe "are not supported..."?
299 2011-12-12T21:19:01 <ThomasWaldmann> other than that, your changes look fine. well, changeset is a bit a mix up of misc things, but as it is not that big, i guess we can live with that. :)
300 2011-12-12T21:19:41 * ThomasWaldmann brb
301 2011-12-12T21:45:01 <RogerHaase> ThomasWaldmann: The capital S could be lower case and .bat could be omitted; my preference is to be explicit (env has subdirs Include, Lib, and Scripts on windows). "Not supported" sounds like we are picking on Windows, maybe "not needed and saves 2 lines of unnecessary code" would cheer up windows users :-D
302 2011-12-12T21:48:28 <ThomasWaldmann> haha
303 2011-12-12T21:49:04 <ThomasWaldmann> well, it is a fact that mod_wsgi does not support daemon mode on windows, just "embedded" mode
304 2011-12-12T21:51:42 <ThomasWaldmann> (I mean you can also "leave away" those lines on linux and you end up with embedded mode. but one usually does not want.)
305 2011-12-12T21:54:41 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: subitem/^n works
306 2011-12-12T21:55:12 <ThomasWaldmann> ?
307 2011-12-12T21:57:04 <dreimark> 20:14 < ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: did you test qxcv's fix?
308 2011-12-12T21:57:32 <dreimark> tested it works, but he uses absolute names
309 2011-12-12T21:58:17 <ThomasWaldmann> ok
310 2011-12-12T22:02:11 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, push it?
311 2011-12-12T22:06:26 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: why isn't that a pull request?
312 2011-12-12T22:07:07 <ThomasWaldmann> because you see it anyway? :)
313 2011-12-12T22:17:10 <CIA-59> Reimar Bauer <rb.proj AT googlemail DOT com> default * 1150:63ae5723ce2c 2.0/docs/admin/ (6 files): docs: proofread backup, index, install, requirements, serve, upgrade, thanks to jordonwii
314 2011-12-12T22:17:11 <CIA-59> Sam Toyer <samATqxcvDOTnet> default * 1151:8c035aa4cc22 2.0/MoinMoin/static/js/common.js: Fix subitem widget/modify view bug by using absolute paths
315 2011-12-12T22:29:26 *** dave_largo
316 2011-12-12T22:44:19 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: can you put a comment "merged" and a link z
317 2011-12-12T22:44:31 <ThomasWaldmann> to the cs into melange?
318 2011-12-12T22:47:05 <dreimark> done
319 2011-12-12T23:07:24 *** MattMaker
320 2011-12-12T23:07:44 *** brunomartin
321 2011-12-12T23:13:47 <cdbs> ThomasWaldmann: there?
322 2011-12-12T23:13:55 <cdbs> ThomasWaldmann: I'm not getting a 404 no matter whatever I do
323 2011-12-12T23:14:02 <cdbs> its working well for me
324 2011-12-12T23:14:22 <cdbs> I uploaded a PNG, modified it in GIMP and uploaded it again, it computes the difference
325 2011-12-12T23:14:37 <cdbs> tried uploading with same names and different ones, still no crash
326 2011-12-12T23:36:59 *** RogerHaase
327 2011-12-12T23:52:56 *** raignarok
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