1 2012-03-24T00:44:47 *** TheSheep_
2 2012-03-24T00:56:03 *** TheSheep
3 2012-03-24T00:56:41 *** yufra_
4 2012-03-24T04:07:24 *** dwcramer
5 2012-03-24T04:21:20 *** vikash
6 2012-03-24T04:41:07 *** breton
7 2012-03-24T04:53:42 *** dwcramer
8 2012-03-24T05:07:42 *** dwcramer
9 2012-03-24T05:34:33 *** dwcramer
10 2012-03-24T07:57:22 *** kanha_
11 2012-03-24T07:58:39 *** kanha
12 2012-03-24T09:05:05 *** breton
13 2012-03-24T09:12:41 *** SebinThomas
14 2012-03-24T09:17:44 <SebinThomas> Hello , I am Sebin Thomas . I'm an undergraduate from India currently in my sophomore year . I am interested in the "universal pastebin" and "blog" ideas proposed in the Moin GSoC page . Could any of you provide some more insights into these projects ?
15 2012-03-24T09:58:51 <breton> SebinThomas: have you installed moin2 already?
16 2012-03-24T10:51:59 <dreimark> moin SebinThomas
17 2012-03-24T10:53:52 <dreimark> SebinThomas: have you experience with jinja2 and python?
18 2012-03-24T12:05:31 *** davinder
19 2012-03-24T12:05:48 <davinder> how to login
20 2012-03-24T12:05:51 <davinder> as superuser
21 2012-03-24T12:05:54 <davinder> in moin
22 2012-03-24T12:06:02 <davinder> my superusername is
23 2012-03-24T12:06:05 <davinder> dav
24 2012-03-24T12:06:15 <davinder> but dnt know the password
25 2012-03-24T12:07:26 <davinder> i have installed moin locally
26 2012-03-24T12:12:27 <dreimark> davinder:you don't know your password for dav?
27 2012-03-24T12:12:47 <dreimark> which moin version ?
28 2012-03-24T12:12:53 <davinder> 1.9.4
29 2012-03-24T12:13:05 <dreimark> you are interested in gsoc?
30 2012-03-24T12:14:18 <davinder> yes
31 2012-03-24T12:14:45 <davinder> do u know how to login as super user
32 2012-03-24T12:14:46 <dreimark> on whch task? because most are or moin2
33 2012-03-24T12:14:46 <davinder> ?
34 2012-03-24T12:14:49 <dreimark> davinder: sure
35 2012-03-24T12:15:05 <dreimark> you say login on the login link
36 2012-03-24T12:15:32 <davinder> foo
37 2012-03-24T12:15:44 <dreimark> http://localhost:8080?action=login
38 2012-03-24T12:15:45 <davinder> do u know how to login as super user
39 2012-03-24T12:15:46 <davinder> ?
40 2012-03-24T12:15:48 <dreimark> http://localhost:8080/?action=login
41 2012-03-24T12:15:57 <dreimark> you login with your account dav
42 2012-03-24T12:16:14 <davinder> and password
43 2012-03-24T12:16:15 <davinder> ?
44 2012-03-24T12:16:36 <dreimark> davinder: you have to create this account, have you forgotten the password?
45 2012-03-24T12:17:04 <dreimark> If you do not have an account, you can create one now.
46 2012-03-24T12:17:11 <davinder> i have done some changes in
47 2012-03-24T12:17:14 <davinder> python
48 2012-03-24T12:17:25 <davinder> something like u "usrname"
49 2012-03-24T12:17:34 <dreimark> you can click on "you can create one now"
50 2012-03-24T12:17:36 <davinder> but i was not asked for filling any password
51 2012-03-24T12:17:50 <davinder> by creating new
52 2012-03-24T12:18:00 <dreimark> the users in the list of superuser just have more rights than others
53 2012-03-24T12:18:13 <davinder> u can access moin but cant use moin at admin level
54 2012-03-24T12:18:32 <dreimark> there is no admin level
55 2012-03-24T12:19:05 <dreimark> the desktop edition settings is full power to any user having an account there
56 2012-03-24T12:19:33 <dreimark> just create your account
57 2012-03-24T12:19:50 <davinder> ok let me see this
58 2012-03-24T12:20:14 <dreimark> and if you change the superuser list make sure you create the account of the name you added there
59 2012-03-24T12:20:36 <dreimark> davinder: please answer the question on which gsoc idea you are interested
60 2012-03-24T12:21:10 <dreimark> http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/1.9/file/1ddf7d88c53d/wikiconfig.py#l35
61 2012-03-24T12:21:22 <dreimark> as long as you have DesktopEdition = True # give all local users full powers
62 2012-03-24T12:21:29 <dreimark> it is like i described
63 2012-03-24T12:22:05 <dreimark> usually you use http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/1.9/file/1ddf7d88c53d/wiki/config/wikiconfig.py
64 2012-03-24T12:22:14 <dreimark> for a wiki for many users and on a server
65 2012-03-24T12:23:49 <dreimark> and login with that name
66 2012-03-24T12:24:35 <davinder> ok
67 2012-03-24T12:25:23 <dreimark> davinder: if i get it right you want to work on the idea of "Improve foobar Theme"
68 2012-03-24T12:26:29 <davinder> yes
69 2012-03-24T12:26:49 <dreimark> you should look on moin2 see for installation http://readthedocs.org/docs/moin-20/en/latest/admin/install.html
70 2012-03-24T12:27:04 <dreimark> further links http://moinmo.in/MoinMoin2.0
71 2012-03-24T12:27:30 <dreimark> because it is a quite complete rewrite of moin1 it makes not much sense to look in the moin1 code
72 2012-03-24T12:29:48 <davinder> okaz
73 2012-03-24T12:29:51 <davinder> thanku
74 2012-03-24T12:54:35 <davinder> can anybody tell me
75 2012-03-24T12:54:44 <davinder> how to install moin 2
76 2012-03-24T12:54:46 <davinder> ?
77 2012-03-24T12:55:50 <dreimark> davinder: read http://readthedocs.org/docs/moin-20/en/latest/admin/install.html
78 2012-03-24T12:56:10 <dreimark> what is unclear?
79 2012-03-24T12:56:57 <davinder> i have done upto .quickinstall
80 2012-03-24T12:57:07 <davinder> i dnt know what to do after it
81 2012-03-24T12:57:55 <dreimark> is your virtualenv activated?
82 2012-03-24T12:58:03 <davinder> i have installed
83 2012-03-24T12:58:08 <davinder> it through pip
84 2012-03-24T12:58:26 <dreimark> davinder: I don't understand
85 2012-03-24T12:58:37 <davinder> i have installed
86 2012-03-24T12:58:38 <davinder> it
87 2012-03-24T12:58:39 <dreimark> did you hg clone http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/2.0 moin-2.0 ?
88 2012-03-24T12:58:51 <davinder> i have downloaded
89 2012-03-24T12:58:54 <davinder> the
90 2012-03-24T12:58:57 <dreimark> from where
91 2012-03-24T12:58:58 <davinder> source code
92 2012-03-24T12:58:59 *** in3xes
93 2012-03-24T12:59:08 <davinder> as tar file
94 2012-03-24T12:59:12 <davinder> and extract it
95 2012-03-24T12:59:54 <dreimark> ok, i assume this url http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/2.0/archive/tip.tar.bz2 ? or similiar
96 2012-03-24T13:00:25 <davinder> no from bit bucket
97 2012-03-24T13:00:29 <dreimark> ok
98 2012-03-24T13:00:53 <dreimark> then you run ./quickinstall and it installes the rest
99 2012-03-24T13:01:02 <davinder> yes
100 2012-03-24T13:01:12 <davinder> i have done that
101 2012-03-24T13:01:17 <dreimark> and now the virtualenv is activated. you see this on the prompt
102 2012-03-24T13:01:27 <dreimark> it should show there (env)
103 2012-03-24T13:01:32 <dreimark> does it?
104 2012-03-24T13:02:03 <davinder> no
105 2012-03-24T13:02:23 <davinder> yes there is env
106 2012-03-24T13:02:25 <davinder> in
107 2012-03-24T13:02:30 <davinder> moin folder
108 2012-03-24T13:02:35 <davinder> what to do next
109 2012-03-24T13:02:43 <davinder> ?
110 2012-03-24T13:02:46 <dreimark> http://readthedocs.org/docs/moin-20/en/latest/admin/install.html#activating-the-virtual-env
111 2012-03-24T13:02:51 <dreimark> just read the whole page
112 2012-03-24T13:03:06 <dreimark> source env/bin/activate
113 2012-03-24T13:03:33 <dreimark> then moin index-create -s -i
114 2012-03-24T13:03:45 <betelgeuse_> dreimark: What is that virtual environment ? (or y virtual environment to execute moin commands ?)
115 2012-03-24T13:04:33 <dreimark> betelgeuse_: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/virtualenv
116 2012-03-24T13:04:40 <dreimark> virtualenv is a tool to create isolated Python environments.
117 2012-03-24T13:05:09 <dreimark> because we currently develop and it makes things very simple
118 2012-03-24T13:05:13 <betelgeuse_> ok ,will look up the link .
119 2012-03-24T13:05:39 <dreimark> you can install software without being root and you kill everything by rm that dir and start from scratch
120 2012-03-24T13:05:55 <davinder> ok
121 2012-03-24T13:06:09 <dreimark> davinder: what does it tell now
122 2012-03-24T13:06:36 <davinder> wait 1 minute
123 2012-03-24T13:07:48 <davinder> yes now i am in env
124 2012-03-24T13:07:54 <davinder> what next
125 2012-03-24T13:08:24 <dreimark> what ´of the ppage did you last
126 2012-03-24T13:08:34 <dreimark> index-create -s -i ?
127 2012-03-24T13:09:06 <dreimark> if you had run quickinstall where there some problems shown, something not installed?
128 2012-03-24T13:09:23 <davinder> no
129 2012-03-24T13:09:31 <davinder> there was no problem
130 2012-03-24T13:09:52 <dreimark> moin index-create -s -i
131 2012-03-24T13:10:31 <davinder> command not found
132 2012-03-24T13:10:48 <dreimark> then you are not in the env, or quickinstall was not finished
133 2012-03-24T13:10:57 *** SebinThomas
134 2012-03-24T13:11:22 <davinder> yes its working
135 2012-03-24T13:11:25 <davinder> now
136 2012-03-24T13:11:38 <dreimark> ok
137 2012-03-24T13:12:01 <dreimark> then type moin
138 2012-03-24T13:12:17 <dreimark> and point your browser to http://127.0.0.1:8080/
139 2012-03-24T13:12:36 <davinder> working thanks
140 2012-03-24T13:12:56 *** in3xes
141 2012-03-24T13:13:09 <davinder> now how to login and
142 2012-03-24T13:13:14 <dreimark> btw. if you want to contribute you have to use a mercurial clone
143 2012-03-24T13:13:23 <dreimark> and work with it.
144 2012-03-24T13:13:30 <davinder> ok
145 2012-03-24T13:13:37 <davinder> but i can give demo
146 2012-03-24T13:13:37 <dreimark> we won't accept a large commit with tons of changes
147 2012-03-24T13:13:39 <davinder> on this
148 2012-03-24T13:13:41 <dreimark> sure
149 2012-03-24T13:13:49 <dreimark> you also can from your clone
150 2012-03-24T13:13:58 <davinder> git clone
151 2012-03-24T13:13:58 <davinder> ?
152 2012-03-24T13:14:03 <dreimark> no hg clone
153 2012-03-24T13:14:07 <davinder> ok
154 2012-03-24T13:14:16 <dreimark> we use mercurial becaus it is python
155 2012-03-24T13:14:42 <dreimark> we had used many other rcvs systems before and at some point the devloping was stopped
156 2012-03-24T13:14:51 <dreimark> and we had to choose a new one.
157 2012-03-24T13:15:10 <davinder> ok
158 2012-03-24T13:15:14 <davinder> thanks so much
159 2012-03-24T13:15:32 <davinder> r there some other students in this idea
160 2012-03-24T13:15:38 <davinder> are working for moin
161 2012-03-24T13:15:39 <davinder> ?
162 2012-03-24T13:15:43 <dreimark> nothing to thank, if you provide a great proposal I likly will mentor you
163 2012-03-24T13:16:03 <davinder> by the way
164 2012-03-24T13:16:10 <betelgeuse_> dreimark: +1 for moin for using virtualenv .
165 2012-03-24T13:16:10 <davinder> what is the expected
166 2012-03-24T13:16:20 <davinder> result from ur side regarding this project
167 2012-03-24T13:16:36 <dreimark> i don't know yet, because only a few comment interests on a topic on the idea page
168 2012-03-24T13:17:09 <davinder> okaz
169 2012-03-24T13:17:15 <dreimark> davinder: you should fledge out our hints on the ideas section
170 2012-03-24T13:17:27 <davinder> ok
171 2012-03-24T13:17:55 <davinder> ok i will definitely do
172 2012-03-24T13:18:08 <davinder> from where i can change
173 2012-03-24T13:18:12 <davinder> the theme
174 2012-03-24T13:18:19 <davinder> in moin
175 2012-03-24T13:18:58 <dreimark> have a look at the foobar theme by changing the config var theme_default = "foobar" in wikiconfig.py
176 2012-03-24T13:19:16 <davinder> ok
177 2012-03-24T13:19:21 <davinder> i am doing
178 2012-03-24T13:19:35 <davinder> ok
179 2012-03-24T13:19:38 <dreimark> you hace to add that, keep indenting wikiconfig.py is a python program
180 2012-03-24T13:19:46 <davinder> how can i show demo to you
181 2012-03-24T13:19:52 <davinder> what i have done
182 2012-03-24T13:20:01 <davinder> yes
183 2012-03-24T13:20:11 <davinder> i have worked in python too
184 2012-03-24T13:20:14 <dreimark> add it on same level as sitename
185 2012-03-24T13:20:22 <dreimark> davinder: that is good :)
186 2012-03-24T13:20:49 <davinder> how can i report you
187 2012-03-24T13:20:49 <dreimark> if you have some public links of older work, you can show it on your ideas page too
188 2012-03-24T13:21:22 <davinder> older work of themeing?
189 2012-03-24T13:21:28 <dreimark> DeveloperApplicationTemplate
190 2012-03-24T13:21:53 <dreimark> use this template page on the moinmo.in wiki for your proposal
191 2012-03-24T13:22:20 <dreimark> ping ThomasWaldmann if you want it only for you and the mentors accessible
192 2012-03-24T13:22:56 <dreimark> davinder: not only theming, showing python skills etc. anything which lets us know that you are doing a great job
193 2012-03-24T13:23:17 <davinder> i have spoken with thomas
194 2012-03-24T13:23:21 <dreimark> it is not mandatory
195 2012-03-24T13:23:23 <dreimark> ok
196 2012-03-24T13:23:51 <davinder> but he said to work
197 2012-03-24T13:23:56 <davinder> in foo
198 2012-03-24T13:23:57 <davinder> theme
199 2012-03-24T13:24:08 <davinder> there is no expected result
200 2012-03-24T13:24:24 <davinder> for this project theme should be clean and functional thats it
201 2012-03-24T13:24:35 <dreimark> yes, it should be much better than now
202 2012-03-24T13:24:47 <dreimark> because it is a show stopper if someone is angry about the theme
203 2012-03-24T13:24:58 *** dwcramer
204 2012-03-24T13:25:03 <dreimark> then it doesn't matter how much our other improvements
205 2012-03-24T13:25:27 <dreimark> makes moin better
206 2012-03-24T13:25:44 <davinder> listen i worked in drupal as well in wordpress
207 2012-03-24T13:25:51 <dreimark> :)
208 2012-03-24T13:25:53 <davinder> i have changed so much themes
209 2012-03-24T13:26:05 <davinder> but it depends upon
210 2012-03-24T13:26:11 <davinder> the client
211 2012-03-24T13:26:19 <davinder> he gives us a psd
212 2012-03-24T13:26:24 <davinder> we have to design like
213 2012-03-24T13:26:26 <davinder> that
214 2012-03-24T13:26:35 <davinder> but here i dnt have only
215 2012-03-24T13:26:51 <dreimark> last year i mentored the student who has worked on +index and +history
216 2012-03-24T13:26:51 <davinder> any idea
217 2012-03-24T13:26:53 <davinder> about
218 2012-03-24T13:26:54 <davinder> it
219 2012-03-24T13:26:59 <ThomasWaldmann> moin
220 2012-03-24T13:27:04 <davinder> ok thats great
221 2012-03-24T13:27:44 <davinder> but in this project
222 2012-03-24T13:28:05 <davinder> we have take some great idea
223 2012-03-24T13:28:09 <davinder> for changing
224 2012-03-24T13:28:10 <davinder> themes
225 2012-03-24T13:29:50 <dreimark> davinder: you can do whatever you want, the only problem is that you have at some point to convience us developers too. and usually if something has a better cleaner functionality this is easier as with complex structures
226 2012-03-24T13:29:50 <betelgeuse_> ThomasWaldmann: can tell me a bit more about the idea purge policy on the ideas page ?
227 2012-03-24T13:30:13 <davinder> ok
228 2012-03-24T13:31:22 <ThomasWaldmann> betelgeuse_: can you ask more specifically?
229 2012-03-24T13:32:23 <betelgeuse_> what kind of data you want to purge ?
230 2012-03-24T13:33:21 <ThomasWaldmann> data that is not needed any more
231 2012-03-24T13:34:09 <betelgeuse_> yes , ok and skills required ?
232 2012-03-24T13:35:09 <ThomasWaldmann> mostly python, maybe ui
233 2012-03-24T13:35:40 <betelgeuse_> ok .
234 2012-03-24T13:35:58 <ThomasWaldmann> and you should show some own ideas
235 2012-03-24T13:36:22 <dreimark> betelgeuse_: and please be aware this can't be a fulltime project
236 2012-03-24T13:36:32 <dreimark> you need to combine it with an other idea
237 2012-03-24T13:36:43 <dreimark> because that needs to less time to count so
238 2012-03-24T13:36:51 <dreimark> s/to/too/
239 2012-03-24T13:37:18 <betelgeuse_> ok , will think of some.
240 2012-03-24T13:38:51 <dreimark> bbl
241 2012-03-24T13:42:16 <betelgeuse_> ThomasWaldmann: analysis of wiki logs ? :D (incase if you haven't been active on #melange , i mentioned it there also ,app instance logs there . )
242 2012-03-24T13:42:56 <ThomasWaldmann> ?
243 2012-03-24T13:43:24 <betelgeuse_> does moinmoin wiki has log files ?
244 2012-03-24T13:43:40 <ThomasWaldmann> yes
245 2012-03-24T13:44:37 <betelgeuse_> using pyparsing we can generate some reports out of it , if anything you want to keep track of .
246 2012-03-24T13:46:31 <betelgeuse_> creating a plugin for the wiki .
247 2012-03-24T13:46:49 <ThomasWaldmann> and what do you do then?
248 2012-03-24T13:50:52 <betelgeuse_> you can just see reports for problems or stuff that is not working ?
249 2012-03-24T13:51:53 <ThomasWaldmann> how is that related to the purge policy task?
250 2012-03-24T13:52:51 <betelgeuse_> No, not related to purge policy , dreimark wanted to know if i have any idea of my own
251 2012-03-24T13:53:50 <ThomasWaldmann> well, moin usually works behind a web server (like apache or ...), guess there are log analyzers for that already
252 2012-03-24T13:54:15 <breton> can moinmoin2 into plugins now?
253 2012-03-24T13:54:25 <betelgeuse_> oh...ok .
254 2012-03-24T13:54:46 <ThomasWaldmann> so, if you want to work on purge policy, extend the vague ideas on the wiki with own ideas, so we see that you have looked at stuff and understood the problem
255 2012-03-24T13:55:15 <ThomasWaldmann> breton: moin2 does not have plugins yet
256 2012-03-24T13:55:21 <betelgeuse_> sure , will do .
257 2012-03-24T13:56:02 <ThomasWaldmann> betelgeuse_: (purge means to permanently remove data from the wiki, if that was unclear)
258 2012-03-24T13:57:36 <ThomasWaldmann> (and policy means to define the rules, how that should work)
259 2012-03-24T14:00:34 <betelgeuse_> i understood that , but i was unclear about from where will the data be removed ? is it cleaning up of the unused or unwanted code or the cleaning up of the wiki of moinmoin .
260 2012-03-24T14:01:04 <betelgeuse_> Now i got it .
261 2012-03-24T14:02:55 <ThomasWaldmann> no, it is about data stored in a live wiki's storage backend
262 2012-03-24T14:03:19 <betelgeuse_> yes , got it :)
263 2012-03-24T14:10:29 <ThomasWaldmann> davinder: please rename your wiki user name from snehi to your name, remove the snehi page and cleanup the new one
264 2012-03-24T14:12:01 <breton> ThomasWaldmann: branches should have names, right?
265 2012-03-24T14:13:29 <ThomasWaldmann> context?
266 2012-03-24T14:14:44 <breton> ThomasWaldmann: bms task. I am thinking now, how to show all this branches to the user
267 2012-03-24T14:15:07 <breton> *these
268 2012-03-24T14:20:46 <ThomasWaldmann> "all these?"
269 2012-03-24T14:23:20 <breton> ThomasWaldmann: branches. Or branches will be just temporary, to merge them after editing?
270 2012-03-24T14:25:02 <ThomasWaldmann> well, think about what makes sense for a wiki
271 2012-03-24T14:29:29 <breton> I see 2 use cases for wiki now. First - simultanious editing/syncing. The last one, who presses "save", sees a message "another version of this page available, compare it". Second - "stable, examined" and "latest" branches.
272 2012-03-24T14:32:10 <breton> s/examined/reviewed/
273 2012-03-24T14:32:55 <breton> though I cannot find it in wikipedia now. But it was there.
274 2012-03-24T14:33:13 <ThomasWaldmann> yeah, second idea in some form might make sense for some scenarios (not for every wiki, but maybe for scenarios like wikipedia or company website)
275 2012-03-24T14:34:47 <ThomasWaldmann> "compare" after save: just comparing (how?) might not be enough
276 2012-03-24T14:35:11 <breton> well, it was just an explanation
277 2012-03-24T14:36:07 <breton> I am thinking about that part now.
278 2012-03-24T14:36:07 <ThomasWaldmann> but yes, giving some options at save time is a good idea
279 2012-03-24T14:40:33 <breton> though branches are not needed for simultanious editing. We should just check on "PARENTID of the version I edit now == HEAD PARENTID".
280 2012-03-24T14:41:29 <breton> and if they differ show some stuff to merge difference
281 2012-03-24T14:41:30 <ThomasWaldmann> head revid
282 2012-03-24T14:42:30 <breton> err, maybe, brain doesn't work now
283 2012-03-24T14:43:27 *** dwcramer
284 2012-03-24T14:43:59 <breton> so branches are required only for the second idea - with "reviewed" and "latest". Will there be a situation, when 2 latest versions exist?
285 2012-03-24T14:44:35 <breton> when "reviewed" splits into to branches
286 2012-03-24T14:45:33 <breton> the only usecase I can think of now is something like collective story editing
287 2012-03-24T14:46:00 <breton> does somebody do stuff like that anywhere?
288 2012-03-24T14:46:50 <breton> or translating something
289 2012-03-24T14:47:27 <breton> I translator suggests version I of translation, II translator - II and III version
290 2012-03-24T14:47:34 <breton> hmm
291 2012-03-24T14:51:25 <ThomasWaldmann> maybe don't think about translations, that stuff is complex
292 2012-03-24T14:58:51 <davinder> done
293 2012-03-24T14:58:56 <davinder> i removed snehi page
294 2012-03-24T15:00:19 <davinder> There are lots of things
295 2012-03-24T15:00:27 <davinder> which are not working in foo theme
296 2012-03-24T15:00:29 <davinder> ?
297 2012-03-24T15:00:57 <ThomasWaldmann> yeah, it's quite new
298 2012-03-24T15:01:27 <ThomasWaldmann> but due to its layout, there are more possibilities
299 2012-03-24T15:01:34 <davinder> like?
300 2012-03-24T15:02:55 <davinder> there is lot of space for logo
301 2012-03-24T15:02:56 <breton> ThomasWaldmann: so, we don't need branches? Because it's easier to add marks like "reviewed" and everything later than reviewed is "latest".
302 2012-03-24T15:03:18 <davinder> also some links in blocks
303 2012-03-24T15:03:21 <davinder> also not working
304 2012-03-24T15:04:25 *** DasIch
305 2012-03-24T15:04:25 *** xiaq
306 2012-03-24T15:04:50 <ThomasWaldmann> davinder: you can put more easily stuff into these sidebars
307 2012-03-24T15:05:03 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: There doesn't seem to be a bug report for that.
308 2012-03-24T15:05:04 <DasIch> ThomasWaldmann: so should I do a small project showing that I have those requirements or do you want references?
309 2012-03-24T15:05:10 <breton> mentioning eSyr as co-mentor for bms
310 2012-03-24T15:05:22 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: But hey the bug is obvious :)
311 2012-03-24T15:05:28 <ThomasWaldmann> DasIch: both make sense. maybe fix some bug.
312 2012-03-24T15:05:31 <davinder> yes
313 2012-03-24T15:05:40 <davinder> we can also create these sidebars
314 2012-03-24T15:06:02 <DasIch> ThomasWaldmann: thanks, I'll look into that
315 2012-03-24T15:06:55 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: Searching for either 'macro' or 'include' didn't bring up the bug I mentioned
316 2012-03-24T15:12:57 <ThomasWaldmann> breton: you might get multiple heads. no way around that. whether we need permanent named branches has to be seen.
317 2012-03-24T15:13:55 <breton> ThomasWaldmann: how for example?
318 2012-03-24T15:14:05 <ThomasWaldmann> xiaq: it is helpful to first tell what exactly a bug is, how one can reproduce etc. and then fix it. also, if there is no unit test, add one.
319 2012-03-24T15:14:59 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: Ok, I'm going to submit a bug report
320 2012-03-24T15:15:14 *** DasIch
321 2012-03-24T15:15:22 <ThomasWaldmann> breton: sync with other wiki? save without merge?
322 2012-03-24T15:16:36 <breton> hmm, right.
323 2012-03-24T15:22:59 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: Please see https://bitbucket.org/thomaswaldmann/moin-2.0/issue/170/include-macro-with-editlink-or-titlesonly
324 2012-03-24T15:25:22 <davinder> can i change the location of sidebars
325 2012-03-24T15:27:00 <ThomasWaldmann> well they are at the sides. so where would you want them?
326 2012-03-24T15:27:58 <davinder> i want to change the location means can move up down left right
327 2012-03-24T15:28:08 <davinder> their width sizes
328 2012-03-24T15:28:13 <davinder> etc
329 2012-03-24T15:28:23 <ThomasWaldmann> xiaq: ok. just asking myself whether that was supposed to have one argument for that case
330 2012-03-24T15:29:31 <ThomasWaldmann> well, one does not just move stuff around, one first has reasons, so ...
331 2012-03-24T15:29:49 <davinder> ok
332 2012-03-24T15:29:53 <breton> boromir.jpg
333 2012-03-24T15:30:08 <davinder> i am first taking look at whole theme
334 2012-03-24T15:30:20 <davinder> and make a document that what is not working
335 2012-03-24T15:30:33 <davinder> searching
336 2012-03-24T15:30:42 <davinder> is also not working
337 2012-03-24T15:30:53 <davinder> in this foo theme
338 2012-03-24T15:31:22 <ThomasWaldmann> well, fixing not working stuff is also important, but the main thing about theming is to have a good overall look
339 2012-03-24T15:31:58 <ThomasWaldmann> and to have a structured, well thought-through approach to all theming topics
340 2012-03-24T15:32:21 <davinder> ok
341 2012-03-24T15:34:06 *** dwcramer
342 2012-03-24T15:34:43 <ThomasWaldmann> (look and usability)
343 2012-03-24T15:35:23 <davinder> yes
344 2012-03-24T15:39:10 <ThomasWaldmann> xiaq: where is editlink used?
345 2012-03-24T15:39:47 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: do you mean in the moin code or wiki markup?
346 2012-03-24T15:40:06 <ThomasWaldmann> code
347 2012-03-24T15:41:00 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: It was initialized like `editlink = 'editlink' in args`...
348 2012-03-24T15:41:23 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: Not very clear about what you mean by where is it used
349 2012-03-24T15:43:59 <ThomasWaldmann> you create an xpointer, where is that used?
350 2012-03-24T15:44:49 <xiaq> Not used anywhere yet
351 2012-03-24T15:46:06 <xiaq> just a stub
352 2012-03-24T15:46:09 <xiaq> a correct stub
353 2012-03-24T15:48:49 <ThomasWaldmann> maybe add a TODO there in the code or another issue on the tracker
354 2012-03-24T15:49:33 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: got it
355 2012-03-24T15:59:35 *** dwcramer
356 2012-03-24T16:04:10 *** RogerHaase
357 2012-03-24T16:31:04 *** dwcramer
358 2012-03-24T16:32:25 <breton> also, drafts would be great. Which can be implemented by allowing user to save his text to non-master branch.
359 2012-03-24T16:32:49 <breton> hmm, and they also should be hidden.
360 2012-03-24T16:34:44 <breton> nope, branches will not do. Though something from them can be used.
361 2012-03-24T16:43:47 *** DasIch
362 2012-03-24T16:51:33 *** funnycap
363 2012-03-24T16:57:03 *** dwcramer
364 2012-03-24T17:06:14 *** dwcramer
365 2012-03-24T17:21:37 *** davinder
366 2012-03-24T17:23:26 <DasIch> should I use a named branch when implementing a feature/fixing a bug?
367 2012-03-24T17:27:28 *** dwcramer
368 2012-03-24T17:32:47 <RogerHaase> DasIch: for a small change, make the change but do not commit, use upload.py to push to code review, and ask for a review
369 2012-03-24T17:33:43 <DasIch> RogerHaase: thanks
370 2012-03-24T18:05:23 *** xiaq
371 2012-03-24T18:13:27 <funnycap> Is there a getting started page for development?
372 2012-03-24T18:15:15 <ThomasWaldmann> funnycap: http://moinmo.in/MoinMoin2.0 has some links and infos
373 2012-03-24T18:24:53 <funnycap> ThomasWaldmann: Thanks
374 2012-03-24T18:57:48 *** jaiditya
375 2012-03-24T19:05:44 <jaiditya> ThomasWaldmann: i tried re-run "pip install e ." but still same error
376 2012-03-24T19:06:53 <jaiditya> sorry "pip install -e ."
377 2012-03-24T19:07:24 <jaiditya> but still same error
378 2012-03-24T19:09:31 <ThomasWaldmann> did you get errors for pdfminer installation?
379 2012-03-24T19:10:45 <jaiditya> yeah it says pkg_resources.DistributionNotFound: pdfminer
380 2012-03-24T19:12:51 <ThomasWaldmann> at installation time?
381 2012-03-24T19:13:42 <jaiditya> no. no error while installation
382 2012-03-24T19:14:23 *** kanha
383 2012-03-24T19:15:07 *** kanha
384 2012-03-24T19:15:46 <ThomasWaldmann> jaiditya: that's strange. any other fatal errors?
385 2012-03-24T19:16:01 <ThomasWaldmann> did you follow the docs, step by step?
386 2012-03-24T19:16:27 <jaiditya> yeah i followed docs step by step
387 2012-03-24T19:16:59 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, I'll try to reproduce...
388 2012-03-24T19:17:31 <jaiditya> and now i see that this error is coming with every moin command
389 2012-03-24T19:19:07 <jaiditya> ok. thanks for the help
390 2012-03-24T19:21:38 <ThomasWaldmann> works for me
391 2012-03-24T19:22:01 <ThomasWaldmann> which docs did you follow?
392 2012-03-24T19:24:08 *** kanha
393 2012-03-24T19:26:13 <ThomasWaldmann> jaiditya:
394 2012-03-24T19:27:09 <jaiditya> http://readthedocs.org/docs/moin-20/en/latest/admin/install.html
395 2012-03-24T19:27:45 <funnycap> Ah, flask-script. Took sometime to figure out ;)
396 2012-03-24T19:29:14 <DasIch> I've looked at issues that might be interesting to start with and came upon #97 (implementing a twitter macro) which looks relatively easy but still complex enough to give me a good overview. Any objections regarding me implementing that?
397 2012-03-24T19:29:21 <DasIch> https://bitbucket.org/thomaswaldmann/moin-2.0/issue/97/twitter-macro
398 2012-03-24T19:30:37 <ThomasWaldmann> jaiditya: strange, it works for me and i also didn't hear pdfminer related issues from other people
399 2012-03-24T19:31:43 <ThomasWaldmann> DasIch: nope, would be nice to have.
400 2012-03-24T19:32:14 <funnycap> ThomasWaldmann: Anyone working on IssueTracker + Calender?
401 2012-03-24T19:32:29 <ThomasWaldmann> maybe write it in a way we could also have a twitter widget in the foobar theme sidebar
402 2012-03-24T19:32:52 *** kanha
403 2012-03-24T19:33:20 <ThomasWaldmann> funnycap: not sure. it would be good if students do a bit of mutual information on the ideas page
404 2012-03-24T19:33:44 <jaiditya> ok. so i'll try reinstalling it all over.
405 2012-03-24T19:34:13 <ThomasWaldmann> jaiditya: what's your python version btw? linux?
406 2012-03-24T19:34:37 <jaiditya> python 2.6
407 2012-03-24T19:34:44 <jaiditya> and windows
408 2012-03-24T19:35:04 <ThomasWaldmann> RogerHaase: did you see such issues on windows?
409 2012-03-24T19:37:23 <RogerHaase> No I never had an issue with pdfminor. But long ago, I did have to run quickinstall several times to get all packages installed correctly.
410 2012-03-24T19:38:45 <RogerHaase> jaiditya: try "quickinstall.bat > quickinstall.txt" and then search quickinstall.txt for "fail" "error"
411 2012-03-24T19:39:08 <jaiditya> ok
412 2012-03-24T19:47:48 <jaiditya> RogerHaase: no error
413 2012-03-24T19:48:10 <jaiditya> so should i try running quickinstall again ?
414 2012-03-24T19:50:21 <RogerHaase> jaiditya: you did "env\Scripts\activate.bat" and "moin index-build -s -i"
415 2012-03-24T19:51:16 <jaiditya> yeah
416 2012-03-24T19:51:17 <RogerHaase> and then "env\Scripts\moin.exe moin --threaded"
417 2012-03-24T19:52:53 <jaiditya> no i didn't
418 2012-03-24T19:53:40 <RogerHaase> "moin moin --threaded" would probably work as well to start the server
419 2012-03-24T19:54:45 <RogerHaase> jaiditya: I missed first part of this conversation -- when are you getting this error?
420 2012-03-24T19:54:53 <jaiditya> so after running this i should point my browser .
421 2012-03-24T19:55:02 <jaiditya> to localhost:8080
422 2012-03-24T19:55:21 <RogerHaase> yes, or 127.0.0.1:8080
423 2012-03-24T19:55:43 <jaiditya> while starting to run built-in server
424 2012-03-24T19:56:35 <RogerHaase> yes, built-in server will run in command window until you stop it with a ctrl-C
425 2012-03-24T19:58:51 <jaiditya> RogerHaase: i tried it even "moin moin --threaded" is not working
426 2012-03-24T19:59:57 <RogerHaase> not working how? is there a message in command window or browser error?
427 2012-03-24T20:00:32 <jaiditya> command window error
428 2012-03-24T20:01:54 <ThomasWaldmann> jaiditya: publish that quickinstall.txt you produced, use paste.pocoo.org
429 2012-03-24T20:01:58 <RogerHaase> please copy and paste command window to http://paste.pocoo.org/
430 2012-03-24T20:02:45 <RogerHaase> pocoo will be busy today :)
431 2012-03-24T20:03:05 <ThomasWaldmann> RogerHaase: btw, do you have an idea how store urls should look like so they don't collide with windows pathnames?
432 2012-03-24T20:03:40 *** kanha
433 2012-03-24T20:04:05 <RogerHaase> this is : issue in sqlite?
434 2012-03-24T20:04:10 <ThomasWaldmann> yes
435 2012-03-24T20:08:57 <kanha> moin
436 2012-03-24T20:09:55 <RogerHaase> ThomasWaldmann: could you use ^ character?
437 2012-03-24T20:10:38 <ThomasWaldmann> as the separator? yes, but that would be rather unsual.
438 2012-03-24T20:12:06 *** jaiditya|2
439 2012-03-24T20:12:06 *** jaiditya
440 2012-03-24T20:13:15 <jaiditya|2> RogerHaase: command window at http://paste.pocoo.org/show/570641/
441 2012-03-24T20:14:03 *** jaiditya|2
442 2012-03-24T20:18:25 <ThomasWaldmann> jaiditya: you need to start moin from the toplevel dir of the repo
443 2012-03-24T20:18:37 <ThomasWaldmann> (from the workdir)
444 2012-03-24T20:19:21 <ThomasWaldmann> and i don't see any pdfminer reference there
445 2012-03-24T20:20:06 <RogerHaase> hmm, I think he did, it is named repo
446 2012-03-24T20:20:41 <jaiditya> yeah
447 2012-03-24T20:21:38 <jaiditya> my worddir is repo
448 2012-03-24T20:22:12 <RogerHaase> oh, on second look, Thomas is right. You should start from repo dir
449 2012-03-24T20:23:06 <jaiditya> so "moin moin --threaded" is to be run from repo
450 2012-03-24T20:23:25 <RogerHaase> yes
451 2012-03-24T20:24:01 <ThomasWaldmann> jaiditya: does it start now?
452 2012-03-24T20:24:09 * ThomasWaldmann is adding some docs about this right now
453 2012-03-24T20:24:41 <jaiditya> n i ran "quickinstall.bat" once again so did that might have solved the problem of pdfminer ?
454 2012-03-24T20:25:51 <jaiditya> it worked. :)
455 2012-03-24T20:26:07 <RogerHaase> yeah :)
456 2012-03-24T20:26:31 <jaiditya> thank you very much RogerHaase: and ThomasWaldmann:
457 2012-03-24T20:26:32 <kanha> eSyr: waldi : moin
458 2012-03-24T20:29:56 <ThomasWaldmann> jaiditya: ok
459 2012-03-24T20:30:45 <ThomasWaldmann> jaiditya: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/570648/ would that have helped?
460 2012-03-24T20:31:21 <ThomasWaldmann> and is it true on windows, one can just type "moin" to invoke it?
461 2012-03-24T20:32:54 <RogerHaase> yes, but without the --threaded IE9 is unusable
462 2012-03-24T20:33:02 <jaiditya> yeah
463 2012-03-24T20:34:08 <jaiditya> earlier problem was pdfminer but after re-running "quickinstall.bat" that problem was solved
464 2012-03-24T20:35:57 <jaiditya> and workdir did the rest
465 2012-03-24T20:39:42 <RogerHaase> ThomasWaldmann: back to : problem, could you use :: ?
466 2012-03-24T20:40:22 <ThomasWaldmann> RogerHaase: which IE has that issue requiring --threaded? IE9?
467 2012-03-24T20:41:56 <RogerHaase> on W/7, the only choice is IE9. While googling for similar hangs, I have only found IE9 and Chromium in incognito mode mentioned
468 2012-03-24T20:43:05 <ThomasWaldmann> RogerHaase: moin --threaded or moin moin --threaded ?
469 2012-03-24T20:44:21 <RogerHaase> moin moin --threaded
470 2012-03-24T20:47:40 <ThomasWaldmann> RogerHaase: http://codereview.appspot.com/5900055
471 2012-03-24T20:51:23 <RogerHaase> ThomasWaldmann: lloks good
472 2012-03-24T20:51:39 <RogerHaase> lloks/looks
473 2012-03-24T20:52:32 <CIA-41> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 1307:cfef35e4c9eb 2.0/docs/admin/ (install.rst serve.rst): install/serve docs: some clarifications about locating the wiki config, running in single/multi threaded mode
474 2012-03-24T20:56:58 <ThomasWaldmann> RogerHaase: yup, maybe :: is easiest
475 2012-03-24T21:01:37 *** kanha
476 2012-03-24T21:09:51 *** kanha
477 2012-03-24T21:20:12 *** kanha
478 2012-03-24T21:23:49 <ThomasWaldmann> RogerHaase: https://bitbucket.org/thomaswaldmann/moin-2.0/issue/168/stores-issue-with-using-colon-as-separator
479 2012-03-24T21:24:27 <ThomasWaldmann> RogerHaase: http://codereview.appspot.com/5908046 can you test on windows?
480 2012-03-24T21:38:07 <funnycap> https://bitbucket.org/thomaswaldmann/moin-2.0/issues is it the official issues page for 2.0?
481 2012-03-24T21:40:25 <dreimark> re
482 2012-03-24T21:40:35 <funnycap> ??
483 2012-03-24T21:41:26 <dreimark> funnycap: yes
484 2012-03-24T21:43:03 <funnycap> Okay, thanks
485 2012-03-24T21:44:15 * ThomasWaldmann adds docs for sqlite store
486 2012-03-24T21:45:43 *** dwcramer
487 2012-03-24T21:59:57 *** funnycap
488 2012-03-24T22:14:13 <RogerHaase> ThomasWaldmann: before patch: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/570704/ after patch: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/570705/
489 2012-03-24T22:18:40 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, so the sqlite tests now work, but other,unrelated stuff is failing
490 2012-03-24T22:21:01 <CIA-41> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 1308:166fecfb17ad 2.0/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fix sqlite database path issue on windows, use :: as separator (also added docs) - fixes #168
491 2012-03-24T22:48:33 *** jaiditya
492 2012-03-24T23:23:00 <CIA-41> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 1309:6667e2a0c58e 2.0/docs/admin/install.rst: docs: add our own mini-pypi as fallback option when pypi/mirrors are down
493 2012-03-24T23:28:50 *** RogerHaase
494 2012-03-24T23:54:15 *** dwcramer
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