1 2012-05-06T00:00:31 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: http://pastebin.com/U421vgmc
2 2012-05-06T00:01:00 <dreimark> i am not sure yet but it can be that django has always problems with namespace_packages
3 2012-05-06T00:01:55 <dreimark> because of this http://packages.python.org/lck.django/settings.html
4 2012-05-06T00:01:56 <ThomasWaldmann> RogerHaase: done (doing wild guessing and pattern matching)
5 2012-05-06T00:04:13 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: not enough information
6 2012-05-06T00:04:28 <ThomasWaldmann> a) what is the precise problem?
7 2012-05-06T00:04:42 <ThomasWaldmann> b) why does it happen?
8 2012-05-06T00:04:50 <ThomasWaldmann> c) what is the suggested solution?
9 2012-05-06T00:04:59 <ThomasWaldmann> d) why is the suggested solution correct?
10 2012-05-06T00:07:06 <dreimark> there is no suggestion yet, just the "why does it crash when i have this namespace_packages line"
11 2012-05-06T00:08:57 *** jaiditya
12 2012-05-06T00:44:46 <RogerHaase> ThomasWaldmann: added a comment and set a default value: http://codereview.appspot.com/6091043/
13 2012-05-06T00:46:41 <dreimark> gn
14 2012-05-06T00:49:20 *** DasIch
15 2012-05-06T00:56:38 *** spy
16 2012-05-06T02:19:55 *** dwcramer
17 2012-05-06T02:32:59 *** dwcramer
18 2012-05-06T02:58:15 *** RogerHaase
19 2012-05-06T03:34:52 *** xiaq
20 2012-05-06T03:45:43 *** sudo_dirk
21 2012-05-06T03:46:55 *** sudo_dirk1
22 2012-05-06T04:13:20 *** MattMaker
23 2012-05-06T05:03:20 *** xiaq
24 2012-05-06T05:23:16 *** MattMaker
25 2012-05-06T05:34:14 *** MattMaker
26 2012-05-06T07:48:16 *** jaiditya
27 2012-05-06T10:24:43 *** MattMaker
28 2012-05-06T10:42:01 *** MattMaker
29 2012-05-06T11:05:20 <dreimark> jaiditya: can you add more details to the etherpad
30 2012-05-06T11:05:36 <dreimark> e.g. sections of moin code where changes are expected
31 2012-05-06T11:05:45 <dreimark> or how you want to do it
32 2012-05-06T11:06:45 <jaiditya> e.g. if i want change in css then i should mention that section..
33 2012-05-06T11:06:46 <dreimark> it is not only what should be done, we like to work with you where the change has to go to
34 2012-05-06T11:07:32 <jaiditya> i thought i should show them by putting screenshots
35 2012-05-06T11:08:17 <dreimark> then you have already worked on it, or do you want to point on issues?
36 2012-05-06T11:09:11 <dreimark> e.g. While creating a new wiki instead of showing all sub categories(
37 2012-05-06T11:09:25 <dreimark> this needs some planning discussion
38 2012-05-06T11:10:59 <jaiditya> yeah currently i was working on it...i'll put screenshots of wt i thought in an hour
39 2012-05-06T11:11:07 <dreimark> jaiditya: i mean if you show a screenshot, is this for pointing to the problem?
40 2012-05-06T11:11:14 <dreimark> ok
41 2012-05-06T11:11:49 <jaiditya> screenshot for both pointing the problem and solution
42 2012-05-06T11:12:42 <dreimark> I also would prefer some kind of text info before you work on a solution
43 2012-05-06T11:13:18 <dreimark> so that we have a list of brokeness, and ideas how to solve it
44 2012-05-06T11:14:55 <jaiditya> ok
45 2012-05-06T11:15:23 <dreimark> there are also some other tasks which have ui elements
46 2012-05-06T11:15:48 <dreimark> if it is discussed early those proably will be implemented with a new style etc
47 2012-05-06T12:05:59 <xiaq> Moin
48 2012-05-06T12:06:09 <xiaq> i'm setting up moin2 on my laptop...
49 2012-05-06T12:06:20 <xiaq> i wonder how do i grant myself superuser rights?
50 2012-05-06T12:06:42 <xiaq> many views under +admin has "@require_permission(SUPERUSER)
51 2012-05-06T12:07:53 <xiaq> Hm... seems part of ACL function rights...
52 2012-05-06T12:10:09 <xiaq> i remember ThomasWaldmann gave me a link to the doc about acl function
53 2012-05-06T12:11:45 <xiaq> Ha, found it: http://readthedocs.org/docs/moin-20/en/latest/admin/configure.html#authorization
54 2012-05-06T12:15:01 <ThomasWaldmann> unexpected docs found :)
55 2012-05-06T12:18:10 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: wondering about something else... is it possible / a good idea to move some configurations into a special item's metadata?
56 2012-05-06T12:19:05 <xiaq> the "reloadable" ones, not SECRET_KEY, DEBUG
57 2012-05-06T12:20:13 <xiaq> ha it's already visible on the web at +admin/wikiconfig
58 2012-05-06T12:22:21 <xiaq> it's reasonable to have settings like interwiki_map modifiable at runtime
59 2012-05-06T12:22:29 <xiaq> if we store it in a special item
60 2012-05-06T12:22:47 <xiaq> that will be another use of the yet-to-be-implemented metadata editor :)
61 2012-05-06T12:23:30 <xiaq> in moin1 interwiki maps are taken from /InterWikiMap which is editable at runtime
62 2012-05-06T12:24:54 <xiaq> And sth. else
63 2012-05-06T12:25:07 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: i saw you mention XML "processing instructions" on the etherpad
64 2012-05-06T12:26:59 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: how is that related to the mechanism to differentiating tickets?
65 2012-05-06T12:27:32 <xiaq> another meta key looks good to me. are there downsides?
66 2012-05-06T12:27:49 <ThomasWaldmann> (if we have nothing else to do, I may start wondering about wiki-editable config, but right now, that is definitely not the case)
67 2012-05-06T12:29:05 <ThomasWaldmann> PI is also just another metadata key
68 2012-05-06T12:30:22 <xiaq> so... you're just suggesting it's similar?
69 2012-05-06T12:30:30 <ThomasWaldmann> yes
70 2012-05-06T12:31:27 <xiaq> hm, can we rename the etherpad?
71 2012-05-06T12:31:41 <xiaq> i have done basically s/issue/ticket/g
72 2012-05-06T12:32:03 <ThomasWaldmann> no idea, make a backup first :D
73 2012-05-06T12:32:35 <xiaq> seems no renaming supported...
74 2012-05-06T12:33:21 <xiaq> changed the title though
75 2012-05-06T12:34:09 * ThomasWaldmann is glad we have better renaming in moin2
76 2012-05-06T12:39:04 <ThomasWaldmann> xiaq: tell when you are finished with your current work on EP
77 2012-05-06T12:40:26 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: EP?
78 2012-05-06T12:44:02 <dreimark> etherpad
79 2012-05-06T12:44:06 <dreimark> xiaq: ^
80 2012-05-06T12:44:17 <xiaq> i was thinking about engineering physics :)
81 2012-05-06T12:44:57 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: the index part is still empty..
82 2012-05-06T12:46:03 <xiaq> dreimark: also plz see EP chat :)
83 2012-05-06T12:53:29 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: you called for a better name for "title" on EP
84 2012-05-06T12:53:40 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: i'll call it "summary"
85 2012-05-06T13:04:10 <ThomasWaldmann> xiaq: exactly
86 2012-05-06T13:04:31 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: can be used for other items too
87 2012-05-06T13:26:02 <ThomasWaldmann> sure
88 2012-05-06T13:29:44 <dreimark> the question is if it is a title or a summary. Can we use it also as description? as alt text attr?
89 2012-05-06T13:29:54 <dreimark> htg, bbl
90 2012-05-06T13:49:55 *** spy
91 2012-05-06T15:04:23 *** kanha
92 2012-05-06T15:04:53 *** kanha_
93 2012-05-06T16:22:21 *** dwcramer
94 2012-05-06T16:22:30 * ThomasWaldmann tries to implement itemid based lookup
95 2012-05-06T17:24:29 <CIA-146> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 1346:62bfa171319f 2.0/MoinMoin/apps/frontend/views.py: always use itemname:... in for item names within routes
96 2012-05-06T17:25:42 *** dwcramer
97 2012-05-06T17:29:50 *** paepke
98 2012-05-06T17:29:55 <paepke> hi
99 2012-05-06T17:35:49 <ThomasWaldmann> moin paepke
100 2012-05-06T17:35:53 <ThomasWaldmann> xiaq: https://bitbucket.org/thomaswaldmann/moin-2.0/issue/74/mad-url-redesign-item-lookup-idea#comment-1384171
101 2012-05-06T17:36:34 <ThomasWaldmann> (you see that idea was already in my mind for a while)
102 2012-05-06T17:40:51 <ThomasWaldmann> still wondering about how to make nice urls from that idea
103 2012-05-06T17:57:36 *** RogerHaase
104 2012-05-06T18:26:58 <RogerHaase> ThomasWaldmann: I do not know how to create a test for a +search page or a render_field macro call. Do you have a pointer to a similar test? relates to: http://codereview.appspot.com/6091043/
105 2012-05-06T18:33:26 <ThomasWaldmann> hmm, not sure if we have such tests
106 2012-05-06T19:27:03 *** RogerHaase
107 2012-05-06T19:51:30 *** jaiditya
108 2012-05-06T20:08:15 <ThomasWaldmann> localhost:8080/+lookup?itemid=7
109 2012-05-06T20:09:16 <ThomasWaldmann> does a prefix search in the current revs index, finds itemid 756d7f6b895847bdadd1f30be21b0f47 and redirects to item "baz"
110 2012-05-06T20:11:54 <dreimark> hmm, too long
111 2012-05-06T20:13:28 <dreimark> localhost:8080/+item?id=7
112 2012-05-06T20:13:41 <ThomasWaldmann> well "itemid" is the metadata key (others works also: revid, name, name_exact)
113 2012-05-06T20:14:13 <dreimark> i see
114 2012-05-06T20:15:01 <ThomasWaldmann> i thought about maybe checking for qs at the root item
115 2012-05-06T20:15:11 <ThomasWaldmann> localhost:8080/?itemid=7
116 2012-05-06T20:15:42 <dreimark> thought on that too, currently not sure if that breaks something else
117 2012-05-06T20:16:13 <dreimark> because we have always +operation currently
118 2012-05-06T20:17:41 <dreimark> hmm, we shoult first think about if one wants relative positions too
119 2012-05-06T20:17:52 <ThomasWaldmann> the nice thing with using the query string is that the code can work with a form post also
120 2012-05-06T20:18:07 <dreimark> e.g. localhost:8080/foo/+item?id=+1 or so
121 2012-05-06T20:18:25 <ThomasWaldmann> ids are orthogonal to names, thus no
122 2012-05-06T20:19:58 <dreimark> how are subitems enumbered or is that just linear. first created first number next gets +1 independent from the location?
123 2012-05-06T20:20:26 <dreimark> and if an item is protected you get a missing one?
124 2012-05-06T20:20:53 <dreimark> that is a small hole in soft security
125 2012-05-06T20:21:00 <ThomasWaldmann> ids are uuid (random)
126 2012-05-06T20:21:10 <dreimark> because now you don't know it exists can't see the name
127 2012-05-06T20:21:44 <dreimark> but you know now there is something because itemid=6 is something you don't have access
128 2012-05-06T20:22:22 <ThomasWaldmann> sorry, i don't understand
129 2012-05-06T20:23:11 <ThomasWaldmann> a name is a way to indentify an item, a itemid is another way
130 2012-05-06T20:23:24 <dreimark> currently if you have no access rights you can't find out that this is the case for some items
131 2012-05-06T20:23:50 <ThomasWaldmann> a name + a revid is a way to identify a revision, just a revid is also sufficient
132 2012-05-06T20:23:56 <dreimark> now you can increment the number and it will tell you that there are items you don't have access
133 2012-05-06T20:24:32 <ThomasWaldmann> you don't get anything from incrementing random numbers
134 2012-05-06T20:25:07 <ThomasWaldmann> ah, you mean by using the prefix search and a short number?
135 2012-05-06T20:25:41 <dreimark> localhost:8080/?itemid=7 sounded like it is linear increasing, it isn't ? (i guessed it because of only 1 digit)
136 2012-05-06T20:25:47 <dreimark> yes
137 2012-05-06T20:26:14 <ThomasWaldmann> it is just a prefix of the long uuid
138 2012-05-06T20:26:38 <ThomasWaldmann> but of course if you allow short prefixes, you could try them all
139 2012-05-06T20:27:35 <ThomasWaldmann> but as i am just calling search, this should not be a problem as protection layer will deal with this
140 2012-05-06T20:28:37 <dreimark> my point is that we make it easier to get the information that there are protected pages
141 2012-05-06T20:28:55 <ThomasWaldmann> why?
142 2012-05-06T20:29:34 <dreimark> because of the short prefix this is faster to lookup
143 2012-05-06T20:30:31 <dreimark> without that it is extremly hard to guess a name or uuid to check a whole site
144 2012-05-06T20:30:39 <ThomasWaldmann> you won't get results
145 2012-05-06T20:31:02 <dreimark> yes, we tell only there is half of the wiki is protected
146 2012-05-06T20:31:16 <dreimark> or something else
147 2012-05-06T20:31:35 <ThomasWaldmann> http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/2.0/file/62bfa171319f/MoinMoin/storage/middleware/protecting.py#l54 see line 57
148 2012-05-06T20:32:18 <ThomasWaldmann> so, if that a protected page is the only result, it won't be yielded, so there are 0 results and it will just 404
149 2012-05-06T20:32:27 <ThomasWaldmann> -a
150 2012-05-06T20:32:44 <dreimark> yes, but for a non existing item it tells the ui for creating it
151 2012-05-06T20:34:55 <dreimark> i have nothing against the implementation, it is just what comes to my mind if some id is easy to access
152 2012-05-06T20:35:49 <dreimark> and i am not sure if that is a risk.
153 2012-05-06T20:39:48 <ThomasWaldmann> no, it doesnt
154 2012-05-06T20:40:12 <dreimark> ok
155 2012-05-06T20:44:10 *** dwcramer
156 2012-05-06T20:44:16 <ThomasWaldmann> i think we could set up some interwiki entries like: Ticket: http://server/?itemid= (or Blog: or Paste: )
157 2012-05-06T20:47:08 <dreimark> yes
158 2012-05-06T20:56:03 *** dwcramer
159 2012-05-06T21:06:34 <paepke> anyone running moin2 with gunicorn? didn't get the trick how to give it the wikiconfig.py-path.
160 2012-05-06T21:10:15 <ThomasWaldmann> either have it in . or give it to the app creation call
161 2012-05-06T21:12:08 <paepke> ThomasWaldmann: in . doesn't work. can't supply it on the commandline.
162 2012-05-06T21:12:57 <paepke> ThomasWaldmann: so writing a wrapper is the way to go?
163 2012-05-06T21:13:03 <ThomasWaldmann> http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/2.0/file/62bfa171319f/MoinMoin/app.py#l48
164 2012-05-06T21:13:25 <ThomasWaldmann> or create_app a few lines above
165 2012-05-06T21:13:51 <paepke> hmm. ENVVAR
166 2012-05-06T21:14:04 <paepke> MOINCFG
167 2012-05-06T21:14:38 <paepke> need to read more code :-/
168 2012-05-06T21:15:50 <ThomasWaldmann> well, such stuff is still missing from our docs maybe
169 2012-05-06T21:15:59 <ThomasWaldmann> we usually use the builtin server
170 2012-05-06T21:17:00 <paepke> ThomasWaldmann: I'm using nginx as frontend. as i'm normally deploying django apps with gunicorn it was my first guess to use it for moinmoin, too.
171 2012-05-06T21:17:11 <paepke> is the builtin that stable?
172 2012-05-06T21:18:43 <ThomasWaldmann> well, it is stable enough for development :)
173 2012-05-06T21:19:01 <ThomasWaldmann> maybe also for desktop wiki or small intranet sites
174 2012-05-06T21:20:38 <dreimark> paepke: we use it since moin 1.5 for development
175 2012-05-06T21:20:57 <dreimark> and since 1.6 the desktopedition is integrated
176 2012-05-06T21:21:06 <dreimark> so we always use it for developing
177 2012-05-06T21:24:27 <paepke> dreimark: , ThomasWaldmann wanna use it in "production" small extranet site.
178 2012-05-06T21:24:36 <paepke> private project.
179 2012-05-06T21:24:47 <paepke> sure, could use moin19
180 2012-05-06T21:25:42 <dreimark> moin2 is not production
181 2012-05-06T21:26:06 <paepke> dreimark: i know. dont need it that stable.
182 2012-05-06T21:28:03 <dreimark> ok, then stay on contact with us and help us to get it stable
183 2012-05-06T21:28:11 <dreimark> s/on/in/
184 2012-05-06T21:28:32 <paepke> dreimark: sure.
185 2012-05-06T21:31:15 *** MattMaker
186 2012-05-06T21:43:47 *** dcramer_
187 2012-05-06T21:45:59 <paepke> does it make sense so document my gunicorn micro-script?
188 2012-05-06T22:00:51 <ThomasWaldmann> show it :)
189 2012-05-06T22:13:38 *** dcramer_
190 2012-05-06T22:14:09 *** dwcramer
191 2012-05-06T23:54:37 *** dcramer_
192 2012-05-06T23:57:38 *** dwcramer
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