1 2012-08-15T00:00:34  <jaiditya> dreimark: yes, I am working on content editable, so will get to that as soon as I finish this
   2 2012-08-15T00:09:59  <ThomasWaldmann> content editable?
   3 2012-08-15T00:12:20  <ThomasWaldmann> jaiditya: what do you mean exactly?
   4 2012-08-15T00:13:10  <jaiditya> ThomasWaldmann: As I mentioned during meeting implementation of ContentEditable for text/html
   5 2012-08-15T00:17:23  <ThomasWaldmann> you know we have ckeditor for text/html?
   6 2012-08-15T00:23:01  <dreimark> jaiditya: hmm tell more
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   8 2012-08-15T00:25:50  <jaiditya> ThomasWaldmann: dreimark: What I am trying is if a user just want small content changes like spelling correction, changing a particular word etc, he would not like to open modify for such small thing
   9 2012-08-15T00:25:56  <ThomasWaldmann> (btw, as a general comment: it is finishing, documenting and cleanup time, so starting something completely new is not the thing to do except if you'ld get bored otherwise)
  10 2012-08-15T00:26:10  <jaiditya> so content editable for small pagagraphs
  11 2012-08-15T00:26:48  <ThomasWaldmann> ok, understood. but you realize that is of limited use as likely most of a wiki won't be in html?
  12 2012-08-15T00:27:34  <ThomasWaldmann> and there are many unfinished corners still for styling
  13 2012-08-15T00:27:45  <ThomasWaldmann> and javascript stuff
  14 2012-08-15T00:28:21  <jaiditya> yeah, But I thought it would be a plus...
  15 2012-08-15T00:28:27  <jaiditya> for users
  16 2012-08-15T00:29:02  <ThomasWaldmann> i can imagine using html for some woah front page, to impress visitors
  17 2012-08-15T00:29:19  <ThomasWaldmann> but for most of the content, using wiki/rst/... markup is likely much easier
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  19 2012-08-15T00:30:12  <ThomasWaldmann> jaiditya: did you notice these "click to insert subitem link/transclusion" links are broken?
  20 2012-08-15T00:30:57  <jaiditya> Its broken since xiaq changed the modify template
  21 2012-08-15T00:31:27  <jaiditya> I already mentioned that.
  22 2012-08-15T00:31:30  <ThomasWaldmann> xiaq: ^^ :)
  23 2012-08-15T00:31:54  <ThomasWaldmann> is there a bug (and if you found out more, can you put more info into a bug report?)
  24 2012-08-15T00:32:28  <ThomasWaldmann> such stuff, like easy linking to other items is an issue with simple html btw
  25 2012-08-15T00:33:38  <jaiditya> I was waiting as I thought he might have corrected that in later changeset
  26 2012-08-15T00:36:22  <jaiditya> ThomasWaldmann: https://github.com/LearnBoost/stylus/issues/790
  27 2012-08-15T00:36:35  <jaiditya> stylus bug
  28 2012-08-15T00:37:13  <dreimark> jaiditya: ok, but you also can discuss / ask him to look on that
  29 2012-08-15T00:37:22  <dreimark> ( xiaq )
  30 2012-08-15T00:37:35  <ThomasWaldmann> jaiditya: haha, that's a bug
  31 2012-08-15T00:37:51  <dreimark> or tell him that you look at it or whatever
  32 2012-08-15T00:37:56  <jaiditya> dreimark: ok
  33 2012-08-15T00:38:11  <ThomasWaldmann> jaiditya: please add a comment to main.styl that points this out and links to this issue
  34 2012-08-15T00:38:44  <ThomasWaldmann> jaiditya: thanks for caring about it.
  35 2012-08-15T00:39:20  <jaiditya> ThomasWaldmann: should I add link to this bug in main.styl itself ?
  36 2012-08-15T00:40:51  <dreimark> gn
  37 2012-08-15T00:40:51  <spy> ThomasWaldmann: http://codereview.appspot.com/6454153/
  38 2012-08-15T00:40:53  <spy> dreimark: ^
  39 2012-08-15T00:41:17  <jaiditya> btw looks like stylus community is way better than that of "reset.css" I havn't recieved reply from them about that licensing stuff
  40 2012-08-15T00:42:24  <spy> ThomasWaldmann: you can play with PTIME preloading http://vps.psviderski.name:8080/%2Bmodify/myblog/Google%20Plus
  41 2012-08-15T00:42:35  <dreimark> spy: i look after some sleep, too tired currently
  42 2012-08-15T00:44:23  <spy> dreimark: gn ;)
  43 2012-08-15T00:46:34  <ThomasWaldmann> jaiditya: yes, and a one liner about "do not end comment lines with a colon until bug ... is fixed" or so
  44 2012-08-15T00:47:40  <ThomasWaldmann> jaiditya: well, licensing is considered boring and sometimes annoying for many people.
  45 2012-08-15T00:48:14  <ThomasWaldmann> some just think "here it is, take it" and do not specifically want to license it.
  46 2012-08-15T00:48:55  <ThomasWaldmann> but in some jurisdictions, something not explicitely put under a free license is automatically considered (c) by author and you can't just take it.
  47 2012-08-15T00:49:58  <jaiditya> yeah, licensing sounds boring, but one should atleast be responsive when needed, its over a month now and still no response
  48 2012-08-15T00:51:35  <ThomasWaldmann> yup
  49 2012-08-15T00:52:23  <jaiditya> // stylus bug - https://github.com/LearnBoost/stylus/issues/790
  50 2012-08-15T00:52:23  <jaiditya> // do NOT end comment lines with colon untill the bug is fixed
  51 2012-08-15T00:55:48  <jaiditya> ThomasWaldmann: anything more
  52 2012-08-15T01:01:08  <ThomasWaldmann> no, one l less please :)
  53 2012-08-15T01:06:12  <spy> oh, just mentioned that ptime default=detetime.,
  54 2012-08-15T01:06:26  <jaiditya> ohh...misprint
  55 2012-08-15T01:07:26  <spy> ptime's dafault=datetime.utcnow() is equal to the time when class was initialised
  56 2012-08-15T01:07:38  <ThomasWaldmann> hehe
  57 2012-08-15T01:08:16  <ThomasWaldmann> maybe rather use the current time
  58 2012-08-15T01:08:58  <jaiditya> ThomasWaldmann: what about copyright lines of modernized theme.
  59 2012-08-15T01:09:50  <jaiditya> move them to a seperate file ?
  60 2012-08-15T01:09:52  <ThomasWaldmann> what about them?
  61 2012-08-15T01:10:49  <ThomasWaldmann> i don't quite understand
  62 2012-08-15T01:10:53  <jaiditya> I mean move themto seperate file and import as css file or just add them to stylusnotice.css ?
  63 2012-08-15T01:11:20  <jaiditya> as currently I just copy-paste them everytime
  64 2012-08-15T01:13:07  <jaiditya> Copyright lines are not part of any of the included css files yet
  65 2012-08-15T01:13:09  <ThomasWaldmann> spy: you can remove the example printed below the ptime field
  66 2012-08-15T01:13:52  <ThomasWaldmann> jaiditya: if you put them there, will stylus remove them before output?
  67 2012-08-15T01:15:15  <jaiditya> everytime I make changes in stylus code I have to regenerate the css file, till now I used to again and again copy paste the entire thing
  68 2012-08-15T01:15:58  <ThomasWaldmann> well, that should be fixed by removing all those comment colons
  69 2012-08-15T01:16:41  <ThomasWaldmann> but the question is whether all those (c)/license stuff from comments in input files will go into the output file
  70 2012-08-15T01:16:43  <jaiditya> yeah as now that is fixed so only thing which is left is coryright lines
  71 2012-08-15T01:18:15  <jaiditya> copyright files aren't part of any of the included files,else whatever comments input files contain go into output
  72 2012-08-15T01:19:40  <ThomasWaldmann> ok, then maybe there should be ONE such comment (per theme)
  73 2012-08-15T01:21:17  <jaiditya> so, copyright.css should be added as a new file which will contain such comments in each theme
  74 2012-08-15T01:21:30  <ThomasWaldmann> as stylus_notice is first, it could just say "unless otherwise noted the usual moinmoin license applies ..."
  75 2012-08-15T01:22:07  <ThomasWaldmann> could be renamed to "notices" then
  76 2012-08-15T01:22:47  <ThomasWaldmann> if we include a file licensed differently, it of course needs a individual comment about its license
  77 2012-08-15T01:24:04  <ThomasWaldmann> maybe there should be a comment separating the individual fragments
  78 2012-08-15T01:26:11  <spy> ehh, tried not to write do_modify for BlogEntry, it seems have to write
  79 2012-08-15T01:26:53  <jaiditya> currently stylus notice only contains how this file was generated, so adding a copyright line to that would work fine
  80 2012-08-15T01:27:14  <ThomasWaldmann> yes, that's what i meant
  81 2012-08-15T01:27:22  <jaiditya> and ofcoarse changing its name to notices
  82 2012-08-15T01:27:32  <ThomasWaldmann> and as it is not just a notice about stylus any more, we could rename the file...
  83 2012-08-15T01:28:49  <jaiditya> how to rename a file in hg ?
  84 2012-08-15T01:30:12  <ThomasWaldmann> hg mv old new
  85 2012-08-15T01:52:56  <spy> ThomasWaldmann: fixed http://codereview.appspot.com/6454153/
  86 2012-08-15T02:07:47  <ThomasWaldmann> spy: too late for today, have to look after sleeping
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  91 2012-08-15T07:41:25  * dreimark asked rich_clark by twitter about a gplv2+ friendly license to add
  92 2012-08-15T07:50:55  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: i think we should also have this one liner lic string on  all template files
  93 2012-08-15T07:52:43  <dreimark> spy: review done
  94 2012-08-15T11:04:13  <spy> dreimark: replied
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  97 2012-08-15T11:39:24  <spy> ThomasWaldmann: about "Save Draft" issue, what do you think to rename buttons according to blog entry status. When it is just created there are "Save Draft" and "Publish" buttons displayed. When it is already published display "Revert to Draft" and "Update" buttons.
  98 2012-08-15T11:39:29  <spy> dreimark: ^
  99 2012-08-15T11:41:06  <spy> if it is unpublished yet the same buttons as just created ("Save Draft" and "Publish")
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 101 2012-08-15T12:04:59  <spy> look: http://vps.psviderski.name:8080/myblog/GSoC
 102 2012-08-15T12:05:11  <spy> rather http://vps.psviderski.name:8080/%2Bmodify/myblog/GSoC
 103 2012-08-15T12:05:15  <spy> ThomasWaldmann: ^
 104 2012-08-15T12:05:16  <spy> dreimark: ^
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 107 2012-08-15T13:42:08  <CIA-65> Reimar Bauer <rb.proj AT googlemail DOT com> default * 613:23d688c016bf extensions/data/plugin/action/submit_bbb_create_meeting.py: bbb: bug fix of sending an error message if a unpriviledged user tries to create a meeting
 108 2012-08-15T13:42:09  <CIA-65> Reimar Bauer <rb.proj AT googlemail DOT com> default * 614:81cb72cfddac extensions/data/plugin/ (action/submit_bbb_start_meeting.py macro/bbb.py): bbb: don't crash because of wrong salt
 109 2012-08-15T13:42:10  <CIA-65> Reimar Bauer <rb.proj AT googlemail DOT com> default * 615:56a239027b87 extensions/data/plugin/action/submit_bbb_create_meeting.py: bbb: strip input data for meeting creation and storing
 110 2012-08-15T13:48:38  <spy> changes described above ready for review: http://codereview.appspot.com/6454153/
 111 2012-08-15T13:48:41  <spy> ThomasWaldmann: ^
 112 2012-08-15T13:48:42  <spy> dreimark: ^
 113 2012-08-15T14:11:19  <dreimark> ok, me looks soon
 114 2012-08-15T14:17:05  <ThomasWaldmann> spy: revert to draft is misleading also. on the wiki, we use "revert" usually to restore an old revision as the current revision. e.g. for spams.
 115 2012-08-15T14:18:01  <ThomasWaldmann> i think it would be much easier to not have 2 buttons, but to just let people with the metadata deal directly. as an empty ptime means unpublished, you can just empty the ptime (or set it to future) to unpublish.
 116 2012-08-15T14:28:14  <dreimark> spy: the opposite is unpublished
 117 2012-08-15T14:29:25  <dreimark> so you could have "Save" "Publish" or "Save" "Unpublish"
 118 2012-08-15T14:29:57  <dreimark> that is also much easier to descripe
 119 2012-08-15T14:30:24  <dreimark> published is visible to anyone unpublished is not
 120 2012-08-15T14:30:54  <dreimark> and at each state you could alter the content and save it
 121 2012-08-15T14:31:43  <dreimark> there should also a hint that by the meta ptime you can delay the publication
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 125 2012-08-15T15:05:35  <spy> maybe lets think we have PTIME globally for every item. As there were so many changes and misleadings, how would we like to modify PTIME in this case?
 126 2012-08-15T15:05:52  <spy> brb
 127 2012-08-15T15:13:05  <dreimark> for one item, with a widget. for many items with a script
 128 2012-08-15T15:16:34  <spy> it is clear, i mean to implement ptime modification now in such a way that it would be compatible with the other items not only blog posts.
 129 2012-08-15T15:17:38  <spy> do we want to have "Save Draft" "Publish" for ordinary wiki items? Maybe better to have only one button and more complex widget
 130 2012-08-15T15:22:10  <spy> like Wordpress have, look at the bottom of page http://moinmo.in/GoogleSoc2012/WikiBlog/2012-07-18
 131 2012-08-15T15:23:23  <spy> it has both buttons but we can extend ptime widget to unpublish too
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 133 2012-08-15T15:46:53  <spy> wrote a possible sample: http://vps.psviderski.name/ptime.html
 134 2012-08-15T15:46:55  <spy> ThomasWaldmann: ^
 135 2012-08-15T15:46:57  <spy> dreimark: ^
 136 2012-08-15T15:55:37  * xiaq is travelling for next 2 days
 137 2012-08-15T16:09:44  <xiaq> a trivial fix for broken click to link/transclude on +modify view:
 138 2012-08-15T16:10:34  <xiaq> sed -i 's/f_\(data_text\)/f_content_form_\1/g' MoinMoin/templates/common.js
 139 2012-08-15T16:11:10  <xiaq> (yes it's due to form element renaming, which in turn is the consequence of flatland form structure change)
 140 2012-08-15T16:12:42  * xiaq thinks we should give such elements css classes instead of relying on autogenerated id
 141 2012-08-15T16:17:29  <dreimark> spy: in case you have not seen what draft in 1.9 is. go to the moinmo.in create a page - click preview - close the browser.
 142 2012-08-15T16:17:40  <dreimark> then open browser again, go to that page
 143 2012-08-15T16:17:58  <dreimark> for creation and click "Draft"
 144 2012-08-15T16:19:16  <dreimark> i see what you mean with the wordpress image
 145 2012-08-15T16:20:20  <dreimark> we don't have preview in m2 yet again. In m1 it did not create revisions. It was saved to the users caches.
 146 2012-08-15T16:20:54  * xiaq sent pull req to ThomasWaldmann
 147 2012-08-15T16:21:12  * dreimark gots melted in the office
 148 2012-08-15T16:21:46  <dreimark> s/o/e/
 149 2012-08-15T16:49:33  <spy> ThomasWaldmann: pulled PTIME preload"
 150 2012-08-15T16:50:45  <xiaq> spy: i guess you meant "pushed" :)
 151 2012-08-15T16:51:47  <spy> ahh :)
 152 2012-08-15T16:51:58  <spy> xiaq: how is it going?
 153 2012-08-15T16:56:52  <xiaq> spy: i have been doing some index code but since i'll be travelling for 2 days...
 154 2012-08-15T17:04:44  <dreimark> bbl
 155 2012-08-15T17:07:47  * xiaq goes to bed, gn (needs to take train tomorrow)
 156 2012-08-15T19:03:09  <spy> what do I have to edit to change css for modernized now?
 157 2012-08-15T19:04:10  <spy> I heard that we use stylus
 158 2012-08-15T19:05:02  <spy> what is a workflow with it?
 159 2012-08-15T19:19:07  <dreimark> jaiditya|2: ^
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 161 2012-08-15T19:20:09  <dreimark> jaiditya: do you have some docs for spy ready?
 162 2012-08-15T19:20:48  <jaiditya> sorry, I don't have docs ready for stylus till now
 163 2012-08-15T19:20:57  <jaiditya> but I can explain
 164 2012-08-15T19:21:29  <jaiditya> him a bit about its basic use
 165 2012-08-15T19:22:38  <jaiditya> spy: writing code in stylus is similar to writing a css, ignoring all braces, semi-colon and colon
 166 2012-08-15T19:24:13  <jaiditya> for colors we have used a color palette in which color variables are defined and those variables are directly used in stylus file
 167 2012-08-15T19:26:20  <dreimark> Rich Clark ‏@Rich_Clark
 168 2012-08-15T19:26:21  <dreimark> @ReimarBauer feel free to use it. At the bottom of the article I mention it's public domain. http://html5doctor.com/html-5-reset-stylesheet/ …
 169 2012-08-15T19:26:21  <moinBot`> dreimark: Error: "ReimarBauer" is not a valid command.
 170 2012-08-15T19:26:50  <dreimark> jaiditya: that is a response I got by twitter today from Rich_Clark
 171 2012-08-15T19:27:16  <dreimark> https://twitter.com/ReimarBauer
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 173 2012-08-15T19:27:39  <dreimark> expand the top tweet
 174 2012-08-15T19:28:34  <dreimark> better link https://twitter.com/ReimarBauer/status/235611861435940864
 175 2012-08-15T19:29:11  <spy> jaiditya: then I suppose I have to generate css file somehow, right?
 176 2012-08-15T19:30:47  <spy> dreimark: do we want such "Modify entry" links? http://vps.psviderski.name:8080/myblog
 177 2012-08-15T19:31:11  <jaiditya> spy: yes, but there is a bug when u'll generate css file from stylus
 178 2012-08-15T19:32:00  <jaiditya> I'll push a few changes today specifically for those changes
 179 2012-08-15T19:32:28  <jaiditya> once they get merged generating css file will not be a trouble
 180 2012-08-15T19:32:35  <spy> jaiditya: are we planned to use some Unicode icons?
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 182 2012-08-15T19:33:29  <spy> jaiditya: e.g. like "pencil" before "Modify entry" on http://vps.psviderski.name:8080/myblog
 183 2012-08-15T19:35:35  <jaiditya> dreimark: I'll change reset.css today
 184 2012-08-15T19:35:55  <jaiditya> spy: yes
 185 2012-08-15T19:36:04  <dreimark> spy: i don't see modify
 186 2012-08-15T19:36:39  <dreimark> jaiditya: have you also got some email by him?
 187 2012-08-15T19:37:03  <dreimark> I'd just seen that he was online in the morning and catched him
 188 2012-08-15T19:37:05  <jaiditya> dreimark: no
 189 2012-08-15T19:38:56  <spy> dreimark: you are not logged in, please do it :)
 190 2012-08-15T19:39:27  <jaiditya> spy: but we need a good iconset for that, dreimark pointed http://fortawesome.github.com/Font-Awesome/
 191 2012-08-15T19:41:12  <dreimark> this was in the unicode talk at pycon us. ThomasWaldmann added the font to a ticket on the repo
 192 2012-08-15T19:43:30  <dreimark> http://pyvideo.org/video/948/pragmatic-unicode-or-how-do-i-stop-the-pain
 193 2012-08-15T19:44:57  <dreimark> spy: the pencil looks like rotated by 180 degree
 194 2012-08-15T19:45:12  <dreimark> i like it
 195 2012-08-15T19:46:13  <dreimark> btw. if it wont be  a blog one could think that we now have section edit :)
 196 2012-08-15T19:47:42  <dreimark> the question where it should return after edit of an entry, should it show the entry or the blog
 197 2012-08-15T19:49:19  <dreimark> jaiditya: on my screen, not full firefox window the search box in the example rises over the boundary
 198 2012-08-15T19:49:57  <jaiditya> dreimark: corrected that bug in my latest pyll request
 199 2012-08-15T19:50:05  <jaiditya> pull*
 200 2012-08-15T19:50:18  <dreimark> :)
 201 2012-08-15T19:51:50  <spy> dreimark: I think a user may want to see how it looks after some modification. So the current show-the-entry seems reasonable.
 202 2012-08-15T19:54:52  * spy watches "pragmatic-unicode..." presentation
 203 2012-08-15T19:55:32  <jaiditya> spy: you did css for blog previously but only for modernized theme... Should I copy paste the same css even in foobar theme ?
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 206 2012-08-15T20:23:54  * dreimark has a workshop about moin1.9 on FrOSCon 7-25
 207 2012-08-15T20:24:19  <dreimark> with a short outlook to moin2
 208 2012-08-15T20:26:55  <ThomasWaldmann> 7-25 ?
 209 2012-08-15T20:32:54  <dreimark> date
 210 2012-08-15T20:33:03  <dreimark> arg 8-25
 211 2012-08-15T20:33:06  <spy> jaiditya: I guess yes, if you won't want to restyle it :)
 212 2012-08-15T20:35:33  <spy> ThomasWaldmann: I can't reject my last #75 pull request, loading... and nothing more
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 228 2012-08-15T23:34:57  <ThomasWaldmann> spy: so, shall i reject it?
 229 2012-08-15T23:39:14  <ThomasWaldmann> spy: btw, blog entry items in main repo look similar to main blog item now
 230 2012-08-15T23:39:34  <ThomasWaldmann> which is somehow unintuitive
 231 2012-08-15T23:40:01  <CIA-65> Cheer Xiao <xiaqqaix@gmail.com> default * 1679:d880379b6a01 2.0/MoinMoin/templates/common.js: Fix broken "Link to Subitem" and "Transclude Subitem" buttons on +modify view.
 232 2012-08-15T23:40:01  <CIA-65> Jaiditya Mathur <jaiditya.mathur@gmail.com> default * 1680:63aa4ed9b6c6 2.0/MoinMoin/themes/foobar/static/css/ (common.css stylus/main.styl): foobar theme text alignment in content removed
 233 2012-08-15T23:40:02  <CIA-65> Jaiditya Mathur <jaiditya.mathur@gmail.com> default * 1681:f9d9282ed2cc 2.0/MoinMoin/themes/modernized/static/css/ (common.css stylus/main.styl): modernized theme searchbar width fix
 234 2012-08-15T23:40:03  <CIA-65> Jaiditya Mathur <jaiditya.mathur@gmail.com> default * 1682:71f843bae0eb 2.0/MoinMoin/themes/modernized/static/css/ (common.css stylus/main.styl): modernized theme header margin fix
 235 2012-08-15T23:40:03  <CIA-65> Jaiditya Mathur <jaiditya.mathur@gmail.com> default * 1683:959d9a202b6e 2.0/ (18 files in 9 dirs): merged
 236 2012-08-15T23:40:04  <CIA-65> Jaiditya Mathur <jaiditya.mathur@gmail.com> default * 1684:31c881977e5d 2.0/MoinMoin/themes/ (2 files in 2 dirs): main.styl bug fixed regarding inclusion of reset.css in generated output
 237 2012-08-15T23:40:05  <CIA-65> Jaiditya Mathur <jaiditya.mathur@gmail.com> default * 1685:741be09d0f03 2.0/MoinMoin/themes/ (7 files in 3 dirs): stylus_notice.css renamed to general notice.css
 238 2012-08-15T23:40:06  <CIA-65> Jaiditya Mathur <jaiditya.mathur@gmail.com> default * 1686:d38274bc398a 2.0/MoinMoin/ (4 files in 3 dirs): merged
 239 2012-08-15T23:40:06  <CIA-65> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 1687:36293fcaffbf 2.0/MoinMoin/themes/ (8 files in 4 dirs): merged

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