1 2013-04-27T00:26:22 *** desophos
2 2013-04-27T00:55:30 *** allure
3 2013-04-27T02:11:19 *** sharky93
4 2013-04-27T02:14:35 <sunumonster> ThomasWaldmann: I actually have done some changes in the timeline and relplied to your comments. But weirdly that doesn't show up in the revvision history. Probably has to do with the 500 I experience that day. The changes are there but the current revision doesn't appear under info.
5 2013-04-27T02:48:07 *** Gnarlodious
6 2013-04-27T02:58:45 *** Gnarlodious
7 2013-04-27T03:06:19 *** dcramer_
8 2013-04-27T03:18:49 *** sharky93
9 2013-04-27T04:18:17 *** dcramer_
10 2013-04-27T05:42:06 *** allure
11 2013-04-27T05:48:19 <dreimark> moin
12 2013-04-27T05:48:38 <dreimark> sunumonster: similar to codereview we identify by the diff what is new
13 2013-04-27T05:48:55 <dreimark> can you highlight your changes, e.g. by a border
14 2013-04-27T05:49:29 <dreimark> for this case where the log info was broken
15 2013-04-27T05:49:51 <dreimark> s/where/because/
16 2013-04-27T05:57:21 *** ana-balica
17 2013-04-27T05:59:02 *** Ganz7
18 2013-04-27T05:59:02 *** Ganz7
19 2013-04-27T05:59:46 <Ganz7> Moin
20 2013-04-27T06:00:09 <Ganz7> I've been reading and tinkering with the code of moin1.9
21 2013-04-27T06:00:20 <Ganz7> it works just fine. No problem
22 2013-04-27T06:00:32 <Ganz7> but when I try to install moin2
23 2013-04-27T06:00:36 <Ganz7> I'm not able to
24 2013-04-27T06:01:02 <Ganz7> I'm getting the following exception -- http://pastebin.com/GvP3dS5f
25 2013-04-27T06:01:17 <Ganz7> any idea how I can get around this?
26 2013-04-27T06:01:37 <Ganz7> I'll check the logs for reply in case I go idle
27 2013-04-27T06:04:28 <ana-balica> The traceback says you don't have bz2 module - it's a compression library
28 2013-04-27T06:05:13 <dreimark> Ganz7: what happens, have you done as described?
29 2013-04-27T06:05:51 <ana-balica> try to import the module in the interpreter.
30 2013-04-27T06:06:02 <Ganz7> ana-balica: Will do
31 2013-04-27T06:06:15 <dreimark> Ganz7: which python version ?
32 2013-04-27T06:06:16 <Ganz7> dreimark: I'll get back to you after i try this
33 2013-04-27T06:06:19 <Ganz7> 2,7
34 2013-04-27T06:07:01 <dreimark> is this the output of quickinstall ?
35 2013-04-27T06:07:31 <dreimark> moin-2.0-7c00da767896 this sounds not like a clone, am I wrong?
36 2013-04-27T06:07:42 <Ganz7> dreimark, This ~ http://pastebin.com/GvP3dS5f . This is the final exception it throws
37 2013-04-27T06:07:45 <Ganz7> nope
38 2013-04-27T06:07:48 <Ganz7> you're right
39 2013-04-27T06:08:23 <dreimark> https://moin-20.readthedocs.org/en/latest/admin/install.html?highlight=quickinstall
40 2013-04-27T06:10:02 <dreimark> if you don't used the quickinstall please do
41 2013-04-27T06:10:14 <dreimark> if you want to contribute please clone first
42 2013-04-27T06:10:36 <Ganz7> dreimark: Alright!
43 2013-04-27T06:10:37 <dreimark> otherwise it will be complicated to add your patches back to the project
44 2013-04-27T06:11:00 <Ganz7> dreimark: I'm just trying to see if i can set it up
45 2013-04-27T06:11:10 <Ganz7> If i can I'll clone it right away
46 2013-04-27T06:11:12 <ana-balica> even better would be to make a fork and then clone :)
47 2013-04-27T06:11:54 <dreimark> Ganz7: ok, we currently don't care much on other methods than quickinstall
48 2013-04-27T06:12:07 <dreimark> of course in beta it will work better
49 2013-04-27T06:14:01 <sunumonster> Hello dreimark :-)
50 2013-04-27T06:14:27 <dreimark> Ganz7: moin2 is very different http://moinmo.in/MoinMoin2.0
51 2013-04-27T06:14:48 <sunumonster> Instead of adding borders I just made a minor change (deleted a .). So now you can see the changes in diff :)
52 2013-04-27T06:15:04 <dreimark> sunumonster: ok
53 2013-04-27T06:15:17 <dreimark> and a comment hopefully
54 2013-04-27T06:16:18 <dreimark> sunumonster: or -- <unknown> <<DateTime(2013-04-28T01:45:02Z)>> where you removed the .
55 2013-04-27T06:17:08 <sunumonster> dreimark: That was just a full stop. Removed it to get a newer revision only.
56 2013-04-27T06:17:41 <dreimark> yeah, wanted to give more options for the next time - noone knows
57 2013-04-27T06:18:23 <sunumonster> hehe, ok :P
58 2013-04-27T06:19:16 *** sunumonster
59 2013-04-27T06:29:51 *** Ganz7
60 2013-04-27T06:40:19 <dreimark> ana-balica: please add your project idea to the wiki page
61 2013-04-27T06:41:07 <ana-balica> today will do it
62 2013-04-27T06:41:59 <dreimark> :)
63 2013-04-27T06:56:33 *** rubocoptero
64 2013-04-27T07:26:15 *** Ganz7
65 2013-04-27T08:12:23 *** greg_f
66 2013-04-27T09:21:54 <ana-balica> does the subscription always implies receiving emails about the changes? basically is there a point to be subscribed and not receive emails?
67 2013-04-27T09:46:34 <dreimark> ana-balica: subscribe to a page sends a mail
68 2013-04-27T09:47:05 <ana-balica> ok
69 2013-04-27T09:47:10 <dreimark> but only to the others
70 2013-04-27T09:47:12 <dreimark> not to you
71 2013-04-27T09:47:31 <dreimark> s/you/the one/
72 2013-04-27T09:47:35 <dreimark> doing the change
73 2013-04-27T09:48:03 <dreimark> you see subscribed users in the info action
74 2013-04-27T09:48:36 <dreimark> only on page save mails are sended
75 2013-04-27T10:35:18 *** birkenfeld_
76 2013-04-27T10:35:23 *** birkenfeld
77 2013-04-27T10:35:24 *** birkenfeld_
78 2013-04-27T10:37:08 <ana-balica> what should happen if you are subscribed to an item and you have made the change? you won't receive notification by mail about your own changes?
79 2013-04-27T11:07:38 *** birkenfeld
80 2013-04-27T11:08:25 *** birkenfeld
81 2013-04-27T11:19:55 <sunusaurus_X> ana-balica: No. you receive mail only for others' changes, not yours.
82 2013-04-27T11:23:29 *** Ganz7
83 2013-04-27T11:36:08 <rubocoptero> hi, is there some mentor who can answer a question about Network API project?
84 2013-04-27T11:39:08 <waldi> ask
85 2013-04-27T11:43:42 *** chitrank
86 2013-04-27T11:45:16 *** ashutosh1461
87 2013-04-27T11:45:24 <ashutosh1461> moin
88 2013-04-27T11:46:44 <rubocoptero> I think it would be enough expose the storage api on the network level, am I right?
89 2013-04-27T11:50:28 <rubocoptero> Also I thought that I could implement the api on the "views" level. When it receive a request it will read the "Accept" field in http header and would respond in consequence.
90 2013-04-27T11:51:08 <rubocoptero> waldi: which one do you think it's better?
91 2013-04-27T11:53:07 <chitrank> hello Moin
92 2013-04-27T11:53:12 <chitrank> developers
93 2013-04-27T12:16:50 <chitrank> Who is the MoinMoin commiter please let me know
94 2013-04-27T12:18:45 <sunusaurus_X> Hello chitrank
95 2013-04-27T12:19:32 <sunusaurus_X> ThomasWaldmann: and dreimark are. but they are probably away.
96 2013-04-27T12:21:00 <chitrank> okay sunusaurus_X
97 2013-04-27T12:21:18 <chitrank> thanks
98 2013-04-27T12:24:27 <dreimark> chitrank: what is the question exactly
99 2013-04-27T12:25:52 <waldi> rubocoptero: it needs to be a usable api. it does not need to directly resemble the current existing stuff. you can also take a look at REST
100 2013-04-27T12:27:06 <waldi> chitrank: just ask. noone here bites
101 2013-04-27T12:37:09 *** kolyaflash
102 2013-04-27T12:42:14 *** sharky93
103 2013-04-27T12:42:27 <rubocoptero> waldi yes, my idea is use REST
104 2013-04-27T12:42:33 <rubocoptero> The project idea says "For moin2 we need a network api that can be used by the user interface, other wiki instances (e.g. for wiki sync) and scripts."
105 2013-04-27T12:42:51 <waldi> rubocoptero: and it is up to you to fill the project
106 2013-04-27T12:42:53 <rubocoptero> user interface mean web interface? or it is an desktop client?
107 2013-04-27T12:49:18 *** dcramer_
108 2013-04-27T12:49:54 <rubocoptero> I ask because from my point of view it doesn't make sense use the api rest for the web interface. In this case I think it would be better integrate it on the views level and respond in consequence to the "Accept" field in http header.
109 2013-04-27T12:51:11 <waldi> the Accept header defines acceptable mime types, not sure what you are trying to do
110 2013-04-27T12:55:04 <rubocoptero> something like that: https://github.com/nicolaiarocci/flask-mimerender
111 2013-04-27T12:55:58 <rubocoptero> what do you think?
112 2013-04-27T12:59:05 <ashutosh1461> dreimark about implementing the itemid/revid functionality, so here are few points which i thought where using itemid/revid would be useful
113 2013-04-27T12:59:07 <ashutosh1461> entering the site/itemid in the url and the item page would show up
114 2013-04-27T12:59:07 <ashutosh1461> secondally some views like history can be implemented using itemid
115 2013-04-27T12:59:07 <ashutosh1461> operations on previous revisions
116 2013-04-27T12:59:07 <ashutosh1461> like, implementing '/+modify/+<rev><itemname:item_name>'
117 2013-04-27T12:59:08 <ashutosh1461> something else that we would want to do?
118 2013-04-27T12:59:20 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: ^^
119 2013-04-27T12:59:29 <dreimark> waldi: ^
120 2013-04-27T12:59:54 <waldi> rubocoptero: nope, we have something different already
121 2013-04-27T13:00:43 <dreimark> ashutosh1461: we need the revid for diff already
122 2013-04-27T13:01:44 <dreimark> it is not wanted to edit an older revision usually
123 2013-04-27T13:02:13 <dreimark> if you think that it is usefull describe why
124 2013-04-27T13:02:14 <ashutosh1461> dreimark, yes, some operations(like view, destroy,delete ..) support revid but not all operations do
125 2013-04-27T13:02:59 <rubocoptero> waldi: what do you have? where can I read about?
126 2013-04-27T13:05:18 <ashutosh1461> maybe there is a need to edit a previous version (say i modified the page wrongly, then to correct it the user would basically do revert first and then start modifying again)
127 2013-04-27T13:05:47 <ashutosh1461> if we have an option to modify a previous revision, he can skip the revert step.
128 2013-04-27T13:05:47 <waldi> rubocoptero: i'm not sure if it is currently implemented, but we use converters to build the output and can create virtually any type with this
129 2013-04-27T13:06:20 <dreimark> ashutosh1461: make a list first where it is missing
130 2013-04-27T13:06:41 <dreimark> and then think on those if it is a wanted feature or will corrupt the whole system
131 2013-04-27T13:07:29 <dreimark> just think on usecases - if the usecase is valid it is easier to discuss
132 2013-04-27T13:07:39 <ThomasWaldmann> moin
133 2013-04-27T13:08:00 <ThomasWaldmann> xiaq: there is one more trivial cleanup needed: https://bitbucket.org/thomaswaldmann/moin-2.0/issue/317/use-more-constants
134 2013-04-27T13:08:39 * ThomasWaldmann merged/pushed some changesets, please pull
135 2013-04-27T13:08:53 <sharky93> moin
136 2013-04-27T13:10:38 <sharky93> dreimark, ThomasWaldmann , do you feel that I need to add a bit more than the present to make it complete for SoC standards ?
137 2013-04-27T13:12:02 <rubocoptero> waldi: do you mean http://moinmo.in/MoinMoin2.0#Tree_based_transformations?
138 2013-04-27T13:14:33 <rubocoptero> Sorry, I wanted to say if you refer to that.
139 2013-04-27T13:14:49 *** dcramer_
140 2013-04-27T13:42:21 *** kolyaflash
141 2013-04-27T13:55:14 *** dcramer_
142 2013-04-27T14:06:03 <ThomasWaldmann> sharky93: see query window. you can also insert that yourself.
143 2013-04-27T14:06:30 * ThomasWaldmann needs to go now, back in maybe 6-7h or so
144 2013-04-27T14:07:51 *** dcramer_
145 2013-04-27T14:20:38 *** dcramer_
146 2013-04-27T14:22:23 <dreimark> bbl
147 2013-04-27T14:33:22 *** spy
148 2013-04-27T14:33:46 *** spy
149 2013-04-27T14:36:16 *** dcramer_
150 2013-04-27T14:51:12 *** sunusaurus_X
151 2013-04-27T15:22:40 *** Guest87528
152 2013-04-27T15:24:54 *** kolyaflash
153 2013-04-27T16:28:10 <ana-balica> my question is about importing content via incoming mails. what kind of content will be accepted? creating new pages, modifying content via email?
154 2013-04-27T16:28:29 <ana-balica> is it a mapping to the normal wiki activity or something else?
155 2013-04-27T16:38:47 *** ashutosh1461
156 2013-04-27T16:39:14 *** sharky93
157 2013-04-27T16:41:53 *** greg_f
158 2013-04-27T16:50:57 *** sharky93
159 2013-04-27T16:51:14 *** ashutosh1461
160 2013-04-27T17:04:31 *** sunuonion
161 2013-04-27T17:08:45 *** sunumoron
162 2013-04-27T17:41:12 *** dcramer_
163 2013-04-27T17:47:40 *** dcramer_
164 2013-04-27T18:03:25 *** dcramer_
165 2013-04-27T18:25:11 *** dcramer_
166 2013-04-27T18:26:28 *** chitrank
167 2013-04-27T18:30:11 *** kolyaflash
168 2013-04-27T18:42:59 <kolyaflash> dreimark, hi! Can you help me? Regarding your comment "This API needs some protection against bots calling all those commands on public content.", I understand what you mean (since every item's edit need enter a captcha), but considering that an API is for bots, I can't realize why and how?
169 2013-04-27T18:58:41 *** ana-balica_
170 2013-04-27T19:00:38 *** ana-balica
171 2013-04-27T19:58:09 * sunu just submitted proposal to melange. Just in case melange crashes on the last minute :-/
172 2013-04-27T20:17:16 <dreimark> kolyaflash: we have no captcha
173 2013-04-27T20:17:45 <dreimark> and the textcha has only to be answered on a change and only if it is enabled
174 2013-04-27T20:18:07 <dreimark> in 1.x we can disable xmlrpc then the networking api is off
175 2013-04-27T20:18:36 <dreimark> we like friendly bots but not all sorts on the market
176 2013-04-27T20:20:28 <dreimark> sunu: has the deadline changed?
177 2013-04-27T20:21:27 <dreimark> ana-balica_: we have not pages
178 2013-04-27T20:21:53 <dreimark> creating items sounds doable
179 2013-04-27T20:22:46 <ana-balica_> dreimark: it does, i just wanted to be sure that's the purpose
180 2013-04-27T20:23:24 <ashutosh1461> dreimark, it's still may 03
181 2013-04-27T20:24:50 <sunu> dreimark: No.
182 2013-04-27T20:25:23 <sunu> I am just being extra cautious :-P
183 2013-04-27T20:27:36 <dreimark> ana-balica_: all kind of items, may be also mtime encoded attachments of an email
184 2013-04-27T20:28:01 <dreimark> they can become subitems
185 2013-04-27T20:28:12 <dreimark> '*mimetype
186 2013-04-27T20:28:47 <ana-balica_> you just need to refer to the parent in that case.
187 2013-04-27T20:29:41 <ana-balica_> and basically it's not complicated if we implement the receiving mail functionality
188 2013-04-27T20:29:51 *** ashutosh1461
189 2013-04-27T20:30:35 <sharky93> dreimark, suggestions for my application :) .. im not so sure if that is sufficient for an entire SoC, and other comments in general
190 2013-04-27T20:32:08 <dreimark> I read proposols tom. again, currently to tired helped my sister to move to another flat
191 2013-04-27T20:32:30 <sharky93> ah, fine, np
192 2013-04-27T20:43:05 *** dwcramer
193 2013-04-27T21:18:54 *** rubocoptero
194 2013-04-27T21:21:10 *** desophos
195 2013-04-27T21:53:35 <ThomasWaldmann> re
196 2013-04-27T22:14:16 *** desophos
197 2013-04-27T22:26:28 *** ana-balica_
198 2013-04-27T22:44:50 *** kolyaflash
199 2013-04-27T22:45:04 *** spy_
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