MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2013-06-12

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  11 2013-06-12T06:52:02  <sharky93> TheSheep, hi!, i kind of dozed off early yesterday :( .. no personal favourites yet.. but if we are doing the revamp this SoC i would suggest Gumby (the seem active on the G+ community) .. or even purecss.io may provide what we need
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  13 2013-06-12T06:58:49  <sharky93> TheSheep, i think we should finalize it .. not too much time left now.
  14 2013-06-12T07:21:16  <sharky93> TheSheep, are we decided on the i18n lib? and related to serving the translation set created by hand?
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  17 2013-06-12T07:35:52  <asingla> ThomasWaldmann: working fine now
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  19 2013-06-12T09:30:11  <eSyr_> ThomasWaldmann: regarding backlink fix: maybe it worth documenting poassible (expected) return values and provided argument? Otherwise it's quite hard to understand how to tune it.
  20 2013-06-12T10:14:16  <ThomasWaldmann> moin
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  22 2013-06-12T10:23:36  <ThomasWaldmann> eSyr_: do you need anything more than what i put in docs/CHANGES?
  23 2013-06-12T10:24:09  <ThomasWaldmann> it mentions all the possible values
  24 2013-06-12T10:44:40  <TheSheep> sharky93: lets go with jquery-i18n
  25 2013-06-12T10:55:52  <ThomasWaldmann> eSyr_: btw, load on our server dropped from 2+ to 0.2 usually since misc. changes I did recently
  26 2013-06-12T11:00:56  <sharky93> TheSheep, ah cool! .. suits our needs best i think, this one right ? -> https://github.com/recurser/jquery-i18n
  27 2013-06-12T11:04:21  <sharky93> TheSheep, about the UI revamp?
  28 2013-06-12T11:06:02  * ThomasWaldmann bbl
  29 2013-06-12T11:06:19  <ThomasWaldmann> asingla: did some comments on EP
  30 2013-06-12T11:12:14  <TheSheep> sharky93: yes
  31 2013-06-12T11:13:27  <TheSheep> sharky93: have you looked at the themes to try and asses how much work it would take to revamp the ui?
  32 2013-06-12T11:16:24  <TheSheep> sharky93: it would be ravamping of the theme and most of the actions
  33 2013-06-12T11:17:19  <sharky93> TheSheep, i have had a look at the main stylus file for the foobar theme that generates the css.
  34 2013-06-12T11:18:11  <sharky93> TheSheep, we would be looking at integrating this over moin or just a new theme?
  35 2013-06-12T11:19:24  <sharky93> i dont think a new theme is what we want
  36 2013-06-12T11:19:40  <sharky93> and we do need a facelift.
  37 2013-06-12T11:20:49  <TheSheep> sharky93: I don't think that integrating the existing css with gumpy would be any easier
  38 2013-06-12T11:21:23  <TheSheep> sharky93: for it to have any sense, all the moin themes would need to use gumby
  39 2013-06-12T11:26:38  <sharky93> TheSheep, so we start with a complete new idea for a theme, new layouts etc .. or follow FooBar / Modernized?
  40 2013-06-12T11:27:46  <eSyr_> ThomasWaldmann: i meant description of the parameter in multiconfig.py, usually it's the first place where wikiadmins look at, also HelpOnConfiguration (specifically, WikiConfig macro) based on descriptions there.
  41 2013-06-12T11:28:57  <eSyr_> ThomasWaldmann: description in CHANGES is thorough and complete, on the other side, thanks.
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  43 2013-06-12T11:33:16  <TheSheep> sharky93: I think we should try and re-create the default theme
  44 2013-06-12T11:33:33  <TheSheep> sharky93: but we can include improvements
  45 2013-06-12T11:35:24  <sharky93> TheSheep, hmm.. by the default theme? you mean Modernized ? or do we need to re-create both the built-in themes?
  46 2013-06-12T11:41:00  <sharky93> i mostly use FooBar, i feel it looks better
  47 2013-06-12T11:46:39  <TheSheep> I don't have a preference
  48 2013-06-12T11:47:04  <TheSheep> the looks would be different anyways
  49 2013-06-12T11:47:58  <sharky93> i mean the layout of FooBar .. sidebars kind of are more intuitive.. but that's a personal opinion
  50 2013-06-12T11:48:16  <sharky93> TheSheep, are we finalized with gumby ?
  51 2013-06-12T11:57:15  <ThomasWaldmann> is the framework-check already finished?
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  54 2013-06-12T12:15:26  <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: briefly, I didn't do any experiments yet
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  56 2013-06-12T12:37:10  <sharky93> TheSheep, how should we be proceeding now then?
  57 2013-06-12T12:37:19  <ThomasWaldmann> some research about them would be good, often other people already tried
  58 2013-06-12T12:41:49  <TheSheep> sharky93: could you try making a static html page that looks like the default view?
  59 2013-06-12T12:42:22  <TheSheep> sharky93: with gumby, purecss and maybe foundation
  60 2013-06-12T12:44:52  <TheSheep> by the way
  61 2013-06-12T12:44:55  <TheSheep> https://twitter.com/gumbycss/status/344221215159881728
  62 2013-06-12T12:45:22  <sharky93> TheSheep, yes, they already released it yesterday
  63 2013-06-12T12:45:38  <sharky93> TheSheep, adapting this http://imagebin.org/261113 ?
  64 2013-06-12T12:48:03  <TheSheep> yes
  65 2013-06-12T12:51:48  <TheSheep> looks like gumby is in a process for rapid growth now, maybe it would be wiser to defer decision after all
  66 2013-06-12T12:54:53  * ThomasWaldmann bbl
  67 2013-06-12T12:55:15  <sharky93> i perceived that as being an active community .. and we get good support
  68 2013-06-12T12:56:11  <TheSheep> but that's a little like building on top of quicksands
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  70 2013-06-12T13:00:36  <sharky93> TheSheep, what do we do then :P
  71 2013-06-12T13:00:53  <sharky93> TheSheep, should i try with the static html page ?
  72 2013-06-12T13:02:09  <TheSheep> sharky93: yes, try it, and see how hard it is with each of them
  73 2013-06-12T13:09:23  <sharky93> TheSheep, how much time should i invest with this.. i mean initially it may be a bit difficult .. and then becomes easy.. how do i take that into account ?
  74 2013-06-12T13:12:07  <sharky93> we would not want to invest too much time here if we plan not to use it :)
  75 2013-06-12T13:43:40  <ThomasWaldmann> re
  76 2013-06-12T13:45:05  <ThomasWaldmann> eSyr: waldi: dreimark: (and whoever else might want to use the moinmo.in server): server will have a bit of downtime within the next few hours
  77 2013-06-12T13:45:30  <ThomasWaldmann> we need to exchange a raid disk that has some defektive sectors
  78 2013-06-12T13:46:35  * eSyr done it without downtime once
  79 2013-06-12T13:46:53  <eSyr> hmmm, twice.
  80 2013-06-12T13:46:58  <ThomasWaldmann> hotswap? :)
  81 2013-06-12T13:46:58  <eSyr> anyway, good luck.
  82 2013-06-12T13:47:23  <eSyr> yes, we're in sata/ahci world in for, like, 10 years!
  83 2013-06-12T13:47:35  <eSyr> (not mentioning scsi)
  84 2013-06-12T13:47:59  <ThomasWaldmann> (that server is rather powerful, but at the same time not too expensive, so I'ld rather not expect any hotswap frames)
  85 2013-06-12T13:48:19  <eSyr> ah, hetzner?
  86 2013-06-12T13:49:08  <ThomasWaldmann> yup
  87 2013-06-12T13:49:41  * ThomasWaldmann added the question about hotswap to the ticket :)
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  90 2013-06-12T14:40:07  <sharky93> TheSheep, i'm trying out gumby.
  91 2013-06-12T14:44:20  * ThomasWaldmann finally filed the server ticket after getting interrupted 3 times...
  92 2013-06-12T14:53:08  <ronny> did you try pure.css?
  93 2013-06-12T14:53:16  <ronny> (its the one i plan to try next)
  94 2013-06-12T15:10:19  <sharky93> no haven't tried pure.css .. gumby appeared to be more complete so trying that out first
  95 2013-06-12T15:26:32  <ThomasWaldmann> server is going down now...
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 122 2013-06-12T23:23:40  <sharky|temp> ThomasWaldmann, i can now ssh, the port blocking is now fixed
 123 2013-06-12T23:24:44  <sharky|temp> TheSheep, i built a very crude version using gumby.. was not able to develop that fully today, what do you think of it? @ http://web.iiit.ac.in/~rishabh.raj/gumby/my.html
 124 2013-06-12T23:27:14  <TheSheep> needs work :)
 125 2013-06-12T23:28:24  <sharky|temp> TheSheep, yep sure needs a lot of work :P ..
 126 2013-06-12T23:28:39  <sharky|temp> TheSheep, but is this the direction in which we want to proceed?
 127 2013-06-12T23:29:11  <TheSheep> sharky|temp: the question is not how it looks like, but how hard it is to get what we want using that framework
 128 2013-06-12T23:35:13  <sharky|temp> TheSheep, from what i see now.. use of the framework provides only the basic backbone structure.. much of the nice things we see have to be applied on our own ..
 129 2013-06-12T23:36:45  <sharky|temp> TheSheep, given that we already have a backbone .. i think it may be better to improvise on that like maybe as thomas had mentioned earlier .. (picking up areas like spacing, fonts, smooth transitions etc)
 130 2013-06-12T23:36:50  <sharky|temp> TheSheep, what do you think?
 131 2013-06-12T23:56:18  <ThomasWaldmann> I think he is counting sheep now. :)