MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2014-01-30

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   5 2014-01-30T09:32:05  <ThomasWaldmann> moin
   6 2014-01-30T09:33:09  <ThomasWaldmann> ingu_pc: all the expensive stuff done on non-existing pages is a bit problematic
   7 2014-01-30T09:34:29  <ThomasWaldmann> search engines and other crawlers hit them all the time and then produce considerable server load, esp. if there is no search index (xapian) active
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  10 2014-01-30T09:36:13  <ThomasWaldmann> ingu_pc: and btw, are you talking about moin 1.9 or 2.0?
  11 2014-01-30T09:36:44  <ThomasWaldmann> (my comments where about released version, it's a bit better in moin2)
  12 2014-01-30T09:39:34  <Jigar54> ThomasWaldmann I have sent a pull request for the start all button issue.
  13 2014-01-30T10:41:49  <skathpalia> ThomasWaldmann I have a doubt     while creating  a SVGDRAW item there is no save button for the summary,tags etc. there is only an image saving option So how all these summary,tags etc  are saved??
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  16 2014-01-30T12:25:48  <ingu_pc> ThomasWaldmann: hi! I am new to moinmoin project but not to foss. What do you mean by "all expensive stuff done on non-existing pages is a bit problematic"?
  17 2014-01-30T12:26:00  <ingu_pc> ThomasWaldmann: I am talking about 1.9
  18 2014-01-30T12:55:55  <sharky93> moin
  19 2014-01-30T12:57:48  <sharky93> ThomasWaldmann: I'll always be ready to fill the student void ;) @ <16:52> 28th Jan
  20 2014-01-30T12:58:39  <ThomasWaldmann> ;)
  21 2014-01-30T12:59:13  <ingu_pc> ThomasWaldmann: I got disconnected, did you say anything?
  22 2014-01-30T12:59:23  <ThomasWaldmann> just don't do other summer job AND gsoc, that often fails badly
  23 2014-01-30T13:00:07  <ThomasWaldmann> ingu_pc: 1.9 is often operated without xapian, no search index then.
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  25 2014-01-30T13:00:36  <ingu_pc> ThomasWaldmann: OK. how do I go about the idea I explained yesterday?is it possible>
  26 2014-01-30T13:00:39  <ThomasWaldmann> so, a backlinks search has to open and read through all pages in the wiki, which is a very expensive operation for big wikis
  27 2014-01-30T13:00:48  <ingu_pc> Oh
  28 2014-01-30T13:01:14  <ThomasWaldmann> and you have a infinite number of non-existing pages, so that can really bite...
  29 2014-01-30T13:01:58  <ingu_pc> ThomasWaldmann: true, I was also looking at http://moinmo.in/FeatureRequests/BrokenLinkManagement
  30 2014-01-30T13:02:36  <ThomasWaldmann> after noticing the exactly same problem with the already existing "similar pages" list when you visit a non-existing page, I even thought about removing that. but at least that is a title search and somehow useful, so I did not.
  31 2014-01-30T13:04:31  <ThomasWaldmann> missing attachments sounds like doable. but otoh: moin 1.9 is stable, so no big new features there. and in moin2, we don't have attachments any more, they are just normal items, so you automatically have that.
  32 2014-01-30T13:04:45  <ThomasWaldmann> (idea from that page)
  33 2014-01-30T13:05:06  <ingu_pc> ThomasWaldmann: I see.
  34 2014-01-30T13:05:26  <ThomasWaldmann> missing web links / missing file: links - a bit outside of moin's scope. and file: links have many issues anyway.
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  42 2014-01-30T16:20:20  <skathpalia> ThomasWaldmann in https://bitbucket.org/thomaswaldmann/moin-2.0/issue/308/remove-obsolete-html-table-attributes I want to know that this should be solved by changing the style tag in the same file or some other css file should be make all changes in that file
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  46 2014-01-30T16:48:45  <RogerHaase> skathpalia: I looked at #308 over a year ago and gave up.  iirc, I tested with major browsers and thunderbird but could not find an instance where the obsolete attributes had an effect.  But I do not use atom feeds much so I was not sure I was testing the right things.  There may be different opinions, but I think the task is to prove they have no effect and just remove them.
  47 2014-01-30T16:50:56  <skathpalia> yeah it seems to me also that it won't affect removing the attributes.
  48 2014-01-30T16:52:30  <skathpalia> all the attributes are specified in the style tag except the one in class moin-diff-header in which the width is specified to be 50%
  49 2014-01-30T16:53:05  <skathpalia> So I just added that attribute in the style tag
  50 2014-01-30T16:56:38  <RogerHaase> maybe set cellpadding,etc to 1000, test a bunch of readers.  I don't remember, I think style tags were mostly ignored as well so far as padding goes.
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  52 2014-01-30T17:02:40  <skathpalia> But some width is also specified in the moin-diff-header class which needs to be specified in the style tag so as to as write it only once and not repeat in the same file
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